Don't you think this is too much, let the guy have his second chance and do for the better, let's give some love and understanding  and don't push  it  to hard on him.

This is actually a bargain... because 5 sacks of dog food equates to about 1 horse.

 that's what she said. 
(had to)

I am not to concerned about Vick.....Unless the Bears get a hold of him!!!! WOOOOO HOOOO WE WILL HAVE A PARTY ON VICK!!!!! GO BEARS!!!!!1

No, not at all.  He deserves every last bit of flack he gets.  And this is a great idea for a great cause.  Too bad he won't be in long enough to make that much of a diff.

Jason Giambi is a known drug user...he gets a second chance.  Love dogs, but he has done his time and the media has punished him.  Let him get his startover and move on...unless he does something else.

See this is part of the problem in this country people want to forget about the heinous things people have done. They did the need and now they have to bare the consequences and that does not end when their slap on the wrist jail sentence is over.

First everyone dismisses Michael Jackson child touching (I don't care that he was cleared, Innocent people don't pay people off) just because he changed the face of music. I sorry touching kids trumps everything and he should be remembered as such.

The Ted Kennedy who drove off a bridge drunk killing the girl in the car did not bother to try to save her but instead went home took a shower and a nap, but all people want you to remember is all the stuff he has done for our country ( which if you are a Rep. like me you know is a joke anyway), and it is ok because he is a Kennedy.

And now we are supposed to forget that Vick was involved in one of the largest dog fighting rings in history, and that dog fighting is one of the most cruel forms of animal cruelty and just leave him be I think not.

 If they really wanted to be productive, they wouldn't have used the Redskins as the team to sack him.

why don't they just do it every game he plays....if he plays,,, it's only a sack 

Michael Jackson didn't go to jail.
Ted Kennedy didn't go to jail.
Michael Vick DID go to jail.

Therein lies the difference.

In other news, can you provide proof that it was one of the largest dog fighting rings in history? Because I'm not buying that.

Unless McNabb gets injured or is totally ineffective, how much playing time is Reid gonna give Vick? I could be wrong(again), but I don't see him getting much playing time other than mop up.

Wow Vick got to years yeah That fit the crime all right. And that's not the point the point is why should we forget about it and let him be. He did it and now he has to deal with it all of it. That's part of do the crime do the time and time does not just mean jail time.

I don't have proof but I do remember the news saying that several times

It is time to move on........he did his time in jail, and now he's doing more time in the court of public opinion. He definitely did a bad thing, but remember in his upbringing it was normal practice for a lot of folks, and he just got caught doing it. Want to put a wager on how many no-name thug life wanna-bees are out there still doing the same thing?  Probably a lot more than you want to believe.

These people are certifiable idiots.  He's done his time, the league has let him move on, the law has let him move on PLUS he has become and advocate for animal rights.  When are these morons going to figure out that when they speak out against him, they now speak out against one of their own?

"PLUS he has become and advocate for animal rights.  When are these morons going to figure out that when they speak out against him, they now speak out against one of their own? "

Are you kidding me they only reason he did that was because his lawyer told him too. Like I said before your time does not just end with your jail time.

Hey nitro the difference is when the no named thug gets busted for being the ring leader and financier of a major crime ring they would still be in prison right now not playing in the NFL.

Michael Jackson = Kids = Human Life
Ted Kennedy = Woman = Human Life
Michael Vick = Dog = Animal = Get over it!

Oh I sorry your right thats makes it ok. It was just a dumb animal. Are you serious. Hey the last time I checked humans were a part of the animal kingdom.

Ok they took out an ad in the Washington Post to give away only 5 sacks of dog food for every sack of Vick during one game.....I'm pretty sure an add in the post would cost about a 100 sacks of dog food. 

 Ta da! People like you are what is wrong with the American legal system. First off, you try and go spend the time in jail Vick did, and call it a slap on the wrist, alright? Let's not let you go away with making blazenly incorect statements. You show your blatant predjudice throught your post. You obviously have convicted Michael Jackson in your mind, which is great! Go protest somewhere with a sign and get off the internet please, there is no logic behind your statement "innocent people don't pay people off". There is nothing there, you aren't rich. You don't know what it's like to live like they do, so once again don't act like you know something you don't.

Ted Kennedy? I couldn't agree more about his crime, I loath drunk driving, and drunk drivers. However, I don't let my personal beliefs cloud my judgement of the man, like you seem so quick to do, in all of these cases. He did great things while he was alive, he already lived with his mistake his whole life, let's not flaunt it at his funeral alright?

And lastly Vick, ohh Vick. Killing dogs, awful. Guess what. It happened. He went to jail, we have a legal system remember? Or did you forget? Because he went to jail, he came back out, he lost everything he had in his life, and now he is trying to rebuild it, what more do you want from him, his actual life? Murderers get a second chance at life, and they should. The legal system is built as it is, to allow people to rehabilitate. Maybe he isn't the nicest guy in the world, I doubt you are either, but he is now out their speaking to children about the dangers of peer pressure, and he just wants to go out and play the sport. So go buy your dog a Vick Jersey, you can do so at the eagles site, and crack a beer, and watch the game, thanks.

haha "I don't have proof but I do remember the news saying that several times"

what an amazing sentence.

Since it's unlikely he'll play much quarterback right away, maybe they should have agreed to donate dog food for every "tackle" instead of "sack." 

I did not do the crime so I do not have to to the time. My point is anyone of lesser stature than Vick would still be in prison that's what I mean by slap on the wrist. Please tell me were and what you mean by prejudice because if you are trying to turn this into a color issue you are an idiot. I chose the people I wrote about because of the recent news coverage about them which makes them relevant to my opinion and for no other reason. I don't give a Sh*t how much money someone has if someone accuses you of molesting a kid and you are Innocent you don't pay them off period. you spend that money on your defense.

My point about MJ and Ted is if your going to talk about a mans life you should talk about his whole life the good and the ugly and not paint a pic of saint hood on someone who does not deserve it, just because the man is dead or might have done some good in is life.

Now on to Vick yes we have a legal system but you as well as I know it is a joke. The laws are to week the sentences are to short and not just and the punishment rarely fits the crime. Vick speaking to kids is nothing more then a publicity stunt set up by his agents and lawyers. The system might be designed to rehabilitate but that is the place it fails the most.

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You missed my point........what I meant was that Vick is no different than anybody else that gets convicted of the same thing, and people act like they never heard of illegal dogfighting before he he was arrested.

i'm not buying that either.  do you actually know how many dog fights are going on every day even after the Vick incident.

people are fighting dogs every day and because they're not making a million dollars they can get away with it.  sure it's wrong but we all make mistakes.  Vick paid for his mistakes so let the man do his thing.  will we ever learn to forgive?

Hey nitro the difference is when the no named thug gets busted for being the ring leader and financier of a major crime ring they would still be in prison right now not playing in the NFL.

Not sure what you are saying. Every state has different laws concerning dog fighting. As it should be. States rights are precious and the federal government shouldn't mandate these kinds of laws. Michael Vick did every bit as much time as you or I would have.
Normally I agree with you that whoever has the best lawyers get there way in our judicial system.
This would NOT be one of those cases.
I'm not sure what you would do to Michael Vick. Exactly what would you want done. The man has lost the equvilant of at least $18 million dollars, lost his reputation forever and was incarcerated for nearly two years.
I would argue that joe normal could waltz back into a life of crime as soon as he got out with no rehabilition and lapse into recidivism and noone would care. 

I like it he will never pay for he an his thugs did to those dogs. There a spot for him in HELL.

Nitro you missed my point and you are wrong anyone not named Vick would still be in prison for this crime.

There are a lot of people out there self included who think he did not get punished enough. Oh poor Vick he has to live on only $300,000 a year because the rest goes to creditors he is going to starve to death. He still gets to play football he still gets to live on more money then most people make in 10 years. He made the mistake and now he is paying for it. I do not fell sorry for the guy. and can't believe I have to defend my self on this one.

Maybe if I actually believed he was sorry about what he did to the dogs instead of what happened to his life I might be able to gut the guy some slack. The excuse of look where or who he grew up around is BS and does not excuse his actions. People grow up in the worst environment and still go on to be productive and descent citizens and people grow up in the best enviroment and turn out to scum bags its all based on the choices you make not on you surroundings.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

For the record, his accomplices all got out of jail before he did. So your first statement is unequivocally, undeniably false.

On that note, I'm not going to bother reading the rest, because it's obvious that you're more interested in being bitter and unforgiving than actually looking at facts.

Very true. The only color that matters in the legal system is GREEN. And its is all about knowing the right people. As far as Vicks reason for becoming and advocate, that is irrelevant. My point is he is doing everything he can to help advocate animal rights and fair treatment of animals. Now people are talking about cruelty to animals and taking it serious. Regardless of why he's doing it, he's doing it and its working.

I normally agree with you Mark but between the fed and the local charges me are you would be looking at a whole lot more time IMO.

Yes he lost a lot but again in my opinion he should have lost everything if not to teach him a lesson then to denture others from it. I am a firm believer in punishment to the full extent of the law no reduced sentences.

They got out first because they rolled over on Vick for a lesser sentance, and the were not charged with being the ring leader and financier of the operation.

You have people who kill humans that don't do 2 years and lose mutli-millions of dollars in the process.  Get the hell over it, move on and let Vick go back to his job.  Hell, Stallworth killed a human and got a 30 day sentence and a year suspension.  I love animals, but I don't see people crying when Sara Palin is shooting wolves out of a helicopter or Buba is in the back woods shooting Bambi.  Dog Fighting is WRONG and he has been punished.  Lets move past it.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

From the grammatical errors in your writing, I can also tell that educational system has failed you.  I know people who were involved in dog fighting and cock fighting edit and got caught.  These people were heavily involved, raised the animals, and also were the financial backing for the events.  When they got busted and lawyered up, they had to pay a hefty fine, promise to stay away from animals and to be on 5 years probation.

Point...I think because of who Mike Vick is, he received a harsher punishment than would most.  And it didn't help that his judge was a dog lover, so he gave him a little more time than everyone thought he woujld get.

Well its apparent that I am alone on this one which is truly sad. My point is simply why do we have to forget the wrongs that people do just because of who they are. I am sick of people talking about how great someone is when they have done something so wrong. they just pretend it didn't happen.

I've heard everyone on the q's opinion of Vick 33045 times and can tell you what people will put b4 they put it

I've heard everyone on the q's opinion of Vick 33045 times and can tell you what people will put b4 they put it

To the moderator of this form: My apologies for personal attacks.  Didn't see your post until I had posted mine.

So are we to dislike Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Roger Clemmens and Jason Giambi for their steroid use or should we just chalk it up to the game and call it the steroid error?  My point is that no matter what Vick does for the rest of his life, he will always have this issue over his head.  The same way Pete Rose has gambling, Vick will have dog fighting.  Lets just forgive and move on.  No one has to forget as this has been a valuable lesson to all.  But enough is enough.

Ok I see your point on Vick and I think I mixed my distaste for what Vick did and my distaste for how people have cheered and celebrated the lives of certain people who have recently died, and their whole lives were thrown in our faces except conveniently the ugly side of them. I am sorry if I offended anyone I tend to get a little passionate about stuff.



Oh and I am sorry for the errors but English was not my best subject.

 I was never making it a race issuse, I was talking about what you described as "I think I mixed my distaste for what Vick did and my distaste for how people have cheered and celebrated the lives of certain people who have recently died". You, no matter what, believe MJ to be guilty. It doesn't matter what people say, or discuss with you, you believe it, that makes you prejudiced, you realize that doesn't have to involve race right? When you inject so much prejucisim into your writing, it discounts any valid point you may make, because you are so blinded by the "I am right mentality" 

That is the point I was making.

I am sorry you think that. Yes I believe MJ is guilty and no you probably wont get me to change my mind. and I say that because I put my self in that situation and there is no way I would pay them off if I was Innocent for two reasons one I didn't do it and paying them off just makes you look like your guilty and don't want to face the courts.

The only way I have seen the word prejudiced used is either in race or some sort of discrimination claim so I am sorry if I jumped the gun there. What you perceive as prejucisim is in fact my opinions and I use them to get my point across as does everyone I might be a little more stubborn then most but they are my opinion's and I am entitled to them and tend to get a bit spitted when defending them. Sorry if I have offended you.

 

• Main Entry: ¹prej·u·dice 
• Pronunciation: \ˈpre-jə-dəs\
• Function: noun
• Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin praejudicium previous judgment, damage, from prae- + judiciumjudgment — more at judicial
• Date: 13th century
  2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion
• And as I pointed out you can't put yourself in his shoes, as you have no idea what it is like to live that life. And you have opions not based on fact, but on preconceived judgements (AKA prejudice) So yes you are entitled, but I am also entitled to point out your fallacies.

then they should go to jail for not feeding the doggs cause they wont be gettin many sacks of of dog food if the only way they get them is to sack vick poor doggs

My opinions or based on the fact that he paid them off. I need no more facts then that. Innocent people don't admit their guilt by paying people off. Can you honestly say you would pay them off if you were Innocent of a crime so horrific, no matter how much money you had. I know I couldn't, that's what I mean by putting my self in that situation not necessarily his shoes.

Lets agree to disagree on this one for you have your opinions/fallacies and I have mine.

Oh and thanks for the dictionary lesson.

 You needed it, I don't know any one that didn't know what prejudice meant, I mean, I knew how to use it in middle school.

And I don't agree to disagree, because you have yet to live in the spotlight like a man like he has, and thus you can't project your current feelings like you did. The point is you will never know, so the fact that he paid them off is meaningless until you do.

What happen that people of lovers of dogs. I remember when they used to use dogs to run down slaves. That's worst than dog fighting.

Wow Ok I guesss I hit a nerve or something with you on this one so I will bow out of this debate after this post before one of us says something that gets us kicked out of here.

This is my final thought on this. I was raised that you never compromise your integrity or who you are for any reason. That is what my opinions are based on and why with a clear conscience I can say I would never pay some one off for something I did not do, no matter what the circumstance is.

I look forward to future debates with you on other topics, and thank you for your insight on this one.

 Sir, you did not strike a nerve, I just reply in kind. You replyed with a snide comment, and I did as such as well. I am a debator at heart, and I enjoy a "good" debate, however, so far that has not been represented so far, which is frustrating to me. Your argument lacks clarity, but you are so set in your way you cannot seem to visualize that. I too wish you all the best in the future here,

-Alex

I don't reply to ignorance.