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10/22/09
Bengals tried to trade for Martellus Bennett from the Cowboys, but were rejected
The ''big trade'' that the Cowboys rejected was for TE Martellus Bennett, who was wanted by the Bengals
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The Bengals reportedly offered the Cowboys a pretty substantial deal for their backup tight end Martellus Bennett, which the Cowboys rejected. The Bengals wanted to use Bennett to replace Ben Utecht.

The Cowboys use a lot of 2-TE sets, however, so they consider Bennett to be a pretty significant part of their offense, and were unwilling to let him go.
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10/22/09
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thank goodness they rejected the trade.....his 4 catches for 40 yards has made the difference for them. Wait.

10/22/09
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It's too bad that this is the usual excitement around the NFL's trade deadline

10/22/09
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Bennett may be considered the "backup", but he is on the field for alot of the offensive plays.  So unless they were offering multiple draft picks, first day draft picks, then I'm glad they turned the trade down..

10/22/09
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thank goodness they rejected the trade.....his 4 catches for 40 yards has made the difference for them. Wait.

10/22/09
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drn0iswatr wrote:
thank goodness they rejected the trade.....his 4 catches for 40 yards has made the difference for them. Wait.
He just hasn't been used by Jason Garrett well. He has the ability. They just need to get him involved.

10/22/09
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Looks to me like Jerry's pride got in the way of his brain.  He probably thinks Tony Romo will come out of his funk and make his TE's awesome once again.  The only problem with that is the fact that Tony Romo sucks. 

10/22/09
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The Cowboys uses the 2 TE set alot, and they refuse to trade Bennett to the Bengals. I cant blame them.

10/22/09
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I'm just glad to the that the Bengals are actually trying to improve!

10/22/09
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go cowboys win your games so u guys can go to the super bowl this year

10/22/09
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jswol54 wrote:
Looks to me like Jerry's pride got in the way of his brain.  He probably thinks Tony Romo will come out of his funk and make his TE's awesome once again.  The only problem with that is the fact that Tony Romo sucks. 
Why does every thread have to turn into "Tony Romo sucks"? Seems childish. We're talking about a backup TE that's been kept in to block a lot.

10/22/09
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So what and/or who were the Bengals offering for Bennett???  Seems like NOBODY knows what the offer was and everybody keeps saying it was "substantial"!   What does substantial actually mean?  LOL Substantial to who?

10/22/09
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vindog wrote:
So what and/or who were the Bengals offering for Bennett???  Seems like NOBODY knows what the offer was and everybody keeps saying it was "substantial"!   What does substantial actually mean?  LOL Substantial to who?
I couldn't find much on it.  I heard the same thing though.  "Substantial"  Whatever the hell that means..

10/22/09
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vindog wrote:
So what and/or who were the Bengals offering for Bennett???  Seems like NOBODY knows what the offer was and everybody keeps saying it was "substantial"!   What does substantial actually mean?  LOL Substantial to who?
Some reports have said it was a 1st round pick, others have said a 2nd and 4th, but obviously the Bengals haven't said anything for sure.

10/23/09
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ary201 wrote:
Why does every thread have to turn into "Tony Romo sucks"? Seems childish. We're talking about a backup TE that's been kept in to block a lot.
Sorry man, I just call it like I see it.  What's the point on keeping a talented TE when your QB isn't very good and you can get high value for said TE? 

10/23/09
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jswol54 wrote:
Sorry man, I just call it like I see it.  What's the point on keeping a talented TE when your QB isn't very good and you can get high value for said TE? 
Tony Romo IS a very good QB with a career 94 QB rating and 87-50 TD-Int ratio. And he's been plenty good enough to make Witten a better TE than anyone in the NFL, save MAYBE Gates and Gonzalez. And while Romo is on a down-year so far, he's got a similar 86 QB rating to JAY CUTLER and destroys him in career stats overall.

And while you actually grazed the actual TOPIC, let me say that Jerry obfuscated the real meat of the offer. All he said was that it was like a first or second round pick OR a "now impact" player from the Bengals. Seeing as how Bennett WAS a second-round pick and we don't know WHO the player they talked about was, it could have been even value at best.

What if it was a 2nd rounder or Chris Henry? Doesn't look so great anymore

10/23/09
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ary201 wrote:
Tony Romo IS a very good QB with a career 94 QB rating and 87-50 TD-Int ratio. And he's been plenty good enough to make Witten a better TE than anyone in the NFL, save MAYBE Gates and Gonzalez. And while Romo is on a down-year so far, he's got a similar 86 QB rating to JAY CUTLER and destroys him in career stats overall.

And while you actually grazed the actual TOPIC, let me say that Jerry obfuscated the real meat of the offer. All he said was that it was like a first or second round pick OR a "now impact" player from the Bengals. Seeing as how Bennett WAS a second-round pick and we don't know WHO the player they talked about was, it could have been even value at best.

What if it was a 2nd rounder or Chris Henry? Doesn't look so great anymore
He beats him in career stats because he's played 22 more games than Cutler, but that's beside the point.  We aren't discussing Cutler here.  Tony Romo has proven to be a capable regular season quarterback, but when the pressure is on, he folds like a cheap suit.  That's a fact.  And I'm sorry if I'm not enamored with Martellus Bennett and his 323 yards receiving and four career touchdowns.  You can come with the "he's been asked to block more" argument, but if he's as good as Cowboy nation thinks, he'd find a way to 'get his!'

I wouldn't trade him for Chris Henry because of his past, but if Cincy was offering a second rounder, I'd take it in a heartbeat.  You can find impact players in the second round and they don't command first round money.

10/23/09
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jswol54 wrote:
He beats him in career stats because he's played 22 more games than Cutler, but that's beside the point.  We aren't discussing Cutler here.  Tony Romo has proven to be a capable regular season quarterback, but when the pressure is on, he folds like a cheap suit.  That's a fact.  And I'm sorry if I'm not enamored with Martellus Bennett and his 323 yards receiving and four career touchdowns.  You can come with the "he's been asked to block more" argument, but if he's as good as Cowboy nation thinks, he'd find a way to 'get his!'

I wouldn't trade him for Chris Henry because of his past, but if Cincy was offering a second rounder, I'd take it in a heartbeat.  You can find impact players in the second round and they don't command first round money.
Decent assessment I guess about Bennett, but WHO replaces Bennett in Dallas' two te formations???? Seeing as this formation is their BASE Offensive set- they would have to change their playbook completely for a 2nd round draft pick (which Bennett was) - thats insane! If there was a decent TE waiting out there- I think the Bengals would have picked him up already- don't you?

10/23/09
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jswol54 wrote:
He beats him in career stats because he's played 22 more games than Cutler, but that's beside the point.  We aren't discussing Cutler here.  Tony Romo has proven to be a capable regular season quarterback, but when the pressure is on, he folds like a cheap suit.  That's a fact.  And I'm sorry if I'm not enamored with Martellus Bennett and his 323 yards receiving and four career touchdowns.  You can come with the "he's been asked to block more" argument, but if he's as good as Cowboy nation thinks, he'd find a way to 'get his!'

I wouldn't trade him for Chris Henry because of his past, but if Cincy was offering a second rounder, I'd take it in a heartbeat.  You can find impact players in the second round and they don't command first round money.
I feel like the only real reason you come into a thread about a backup TE and start talking trash about a QB is because you feel some warm fuzzies about Chicago's current QB situation.

I've always admitted that Romo has been very underwhelming in late-season/playoff situations. I'm not on here arguing that he's a GREAT QB yet. I'm on here arguing that he's a VERY GOOD QB. How can you be "not very good" and have one of the highest career QB ratings in the league?

And you shouldn't talk about Bennett like he's a 5-year veteran or something. He's had 323 yds and 4 TDs in 20 career games or something as a backup TE. And he's coming from a run-first college offense. Being asked to block more doesn't mean he's only chipping DEs on pass plays. He's already as good at run-blocking (if not better) than Witten.

And I'm still confused why it would be a good deal to trade a 2nd year, 2nd ROUND player for a 2nd round draft pick. Bennett's not an undrafted player and he's not 30 years old.

10/23/09
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ary201 wrote:
I feel like the only real reason you come into a thread about a backup TE and start talking trash about a QB is because you feel some warm fuzzies about Chicago's current QB situation.

I've always admitted that Romo has been very underwhelming in late-season/playoff situations. I'm not on here arguing that he's a GREAT QB yet. I'm on here arguing that he's a VERY GOOD QB. How can you be "not very good" and have one of the highest career QB ratings in the league?

And you shouldn't talk about Bennett like he's a 5-year veteran or something. He's had 323 yds and 4 TDs in 20 career games or something as a backup TE. And he's coming from a run-first college offense. Being asked to block more doesn't mean he's only chipping DEs on pass plays. He's already as good at run-blocking (if not better) than Witten.

And I'm still confused why it would be a good deal to trade a 2nd year, 2nd ROUND player for a 2nd round draft pick. Bennett's not an undrafted player and he's not 30 years old.
Like I said, we're not discussing Cutler here, but if you would like my opinion, I am happy.  If you were a Bears fan and had to deal with the QB's we've had in the past, you would be as well.  But until he leads us to the playoffs and does some great things, I'm not crowning him.

As for you Romo being a very good QB, I've admitted as much.  But when the chips are stacked against him, he makes boneheaded mistakes and doesn't do enough to lead his team to victory.  I realize he's had teammates make critical mistakes in tight situations, but when that happens, the great ones step their game up even more.  As a Cowboys fan, you should expect more out of your most important player. 

I realize Bennett is still in the infant stages of his career, but after watching him in numerous games, he doesn't seem worthy of his second round drafting.  That is just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it.  He's done some nice things, but nothing about his game makes him stand out.  This is why I would trade him for high value if I was in Jerry Jones's shoes.  Didn't he have some disciplinary issues as well?  

10/23/09
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vindog wrote:
Decent assessment I guess about Bennett, but WHO replaces Bennett in Dallas' two te formations???? Seeing as this formation is their BASE Offensive set- they would have to change their playbook completely for a 2nd round draft pick (which Bennett was) - thats insane! If there was a decent TE waiting out there- I think the Bengals would have picked him up already- don't you?
That I don't know, but if he's basically being asked to block, I'm sure they could find someone on the waiver wire or the practice squad.  It just seems like the Cowboys are still a year away from really competing for the NFC East and getting an additional 2nd rounder would give Jerry some more bargaining chips or another chance at an impact player in the second round.  You guys could find a nice receiver a la Greg Jennings in the 2nd round to compliment a steadily improving Miles Austin. 

10/23/09
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jswol54 wrote:
Like I said, we're not discussing Cutler here, but if you would like my opinion, I am happy.  If you were a Bears fan and had to deal with the QB's we've had in the past, you would be as well.  But until he leads us to the playoffs and does some great things, I'm not crowning him.

As for you Romo being a very good QB, I've admitted as much.  But when the chips are stacked against him, he makes boneheaded mistakes and doesn't do enough to lead his team to victory.  I realize he's had teammates make critical mistakes in tight situations, but when that happens, the great ones step their game up even more.  As a Cowboys fan, you should expect more out of your most important player. 

I realize Bennett is still in the infant stages of his career, but after watching him in numerous games, he doesn't seem worthy of his second round drafting.  That is just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it.  He's done some nice things, but nothing about his game makes him stand out.  This is why I would trade him for high value if I was in Jerry Jones's shoes.  Didn't he have some disciplinary issues as well?  
"As for you Romo being a very good QB, I've admitted as much."

No, you admitted the opposite:

"your QB isn't very good"

Bennett was chastised for posting unfunny things on YouTube. That's his disciplinary issue.

How long would you want the Bears to give a 2nd round player to prove he's worth his draft status?

Greg Olsen had like 485 yds and 3 TDs through 20 games and wasn't that good of a blocker. Were you clamoring for him to get traded?

10/23/09
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jswol54 wrote:
That I don't know, but if he's basically being asked to block, I'm sure they could find someone on the waiver wire or the practice squad.  It just seems like the Cowboys are still a year away from really competing for the NFC East and getting an additional 2nd rounder would give Jerry some more bargaining chips or another chance at an impact player in the second round.  You guys could find a nice receiver a la Greg Jennings in the 2nd round to compliment a steadily improving Miles Austin. 
The way I see it, IF Bennett wasn't a very good TE (or at least has the potential to be)- the Bengals wouldn't have offered "substantial" compensation for him right? And if "all Bennett can do is block"- WHY would the Bengals want him anyway? Trust me, the Cowboys has plans for this guy and that is probably why a very SMART OWNER like Jerry Jones would turn down a deal.

10/23/09
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jswol54 wrote:
That I don't know, but if he's basically being asked to block, I'm sure they could find someone on the waiver wire or the practice squad.  It just seems like the Cowboys are still a year away from really competing for the NFC East and getting an additional 2nd rounder would give Jerry some more bargaining chips or another chance at an impact player in the second round.  You guys could find a nice receiver a la Greg Jennings in the 2nd round to compliment a steadily improving Miles Austin. 
He's not just an adequate blocker, but an excellent blocker that has the talent to be an excellent receiver. You go to the waiver wire for an adequate blocker and no potential to be even a good receiver.

10/23/09
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vindog wrote:
The way I see it, IF Bennett wasn't a very good TE (or at least has the potential to be)- the Bengals wouldn't have offered "substantial" compensation for him right? And if "all Bennett can do is block"- WHY would the Bengals want him anyway? Trust me, the Cowboys has plans for this guy and that is probably why a very SMART OWNER like Jerry Jones would turn down a deal.
If I'm wrong about Bennett in a few years, I'll gladly eat a plate of crow.  Like I said, from what I've seen of him, he doesn't do anything that stands out and from some of my Cowboy fan friends, he isn't exactly the brightest star in the sky. 

As for the Bengals offering a lot for him, we're talking about the Bengals...not exactly a model for success when running an NFL franchise.  Sure, they've overachieved so far this year, but they are still one of the most poorly run professional sports teams out there. 

10/23/09
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Ary, I'm done arguing with you.  Every player on the Cowboys is the best at their respective positions.  This is why the Cowboys have had so much success in the playoffs lately.   

I will address the Greg Olsen question.  I don't think he's been worthy of his 1st round drafting either.  He's underachieved and quite frankly, he can't do much outside of catching the ball.  He's been abysmal in most run blocking assignments which is why Dez Clark is so huge to the Bears offense.  

10/23/09
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Bennett was suppose to play a lot more active role in the offense with his receiving abilities. He just hasn't shined thus far as much he is capable of,  and shown in the later part of last season and this past preseason. I'm still curious myself on what the other half of the prospected trade offer was..

 
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