If I spent as much time in the joint as he has, I probably wouldn't like seeing two men on the ground together either.

I don't really care for MMA, or really boxing for that matter, but what an idiot.

What an idiot Bernard is just hating on MMA because he knows if he tried stepping in thier ring hed get his ass kicked..and whats up with the costume what is he "Wonder Boy"LOL!!!

And 2 guys senselessly beating the crap out of each other is more dignified?

I wonder if that is the same outfit he wears for Oscar after a big fight...LOL

I wonder if that is the same outfit he wears for Oscar after a big fight...LOL

lets see if he could last just one round in the u.f.c. then we will see what a waste of time his so called career was, and no need to use the gay comment ....i now want to see a gay mma fighter kick his butt.

And any MMA fighter who stepped into Bernard's ring (i.e. boxing) would get their ass kicked too...  The best boxer would beat the best MMA fighter in boxing and likely the best MMA fighter would be the best boxer in a MMA match.... so what does that prove? They are two different sports with different skill sets. Get over it MMA fans, your sport *isn't* boxing so stop rating yourself against boxing. Do you own thing.

Lets see any MMA fighter last one round with B-Hop in a boxing match.. then we'll see what a waste of time their so called careers are.

Sure, B-Hop's comments aren't factual. But Pat, you describe his comments as "ridiculously ignorant and offensive" and you indicate the B-Hop really has no knowledge of MMA. Ok, for the sake of argument let's say that is 100% correct.

Are B-Hop's comments more "ignorant and offensive" than Hardy's? Hardy says "nobody under the age of 35 cares about boxing anymore". Well, that's pretty ignorant. Plenty of people all over the world still care about boxing. I love boxing, and I'm under 35. I have a lot of friends that love boxing too. And if you go to Mexico, you'll find tons and tons of people under 35 who love boxing... and in the Philippines too. So isn't Hardy also making an ignorant statement? It's not as offensive as saying guys are in panties and rubbing their nuts in each other's face, I'll grant you that. But is is slightly offensive to boxing fans to suggest that "nobody cares about boxing".

And Hardy says that boxing is being eclipsed by UFC. That's patently untrue. Any time a big boxing PPV is up against a big UFC PPV, the boxing PPV still does more sales. Has UFC made significant inroads? Yes. Has UFC gone through a huge gain in popularity? Yes, absolutely. Has UFC "eclipsed" boxing? No, not yet and it might not ever. So doesn't that show that Hardy really doesn't have a lot of knowledge about boxing, or it's popularity, to express an intelligent opinion?

Really, MMA fans. Be honest with yourselves. Throw out how much you love MMA for a second and just read both comments. They both say the same thing, "My sport is great, your sport sucks."  So why are we throwing B-Hop under the bus but putting Hardy on a pedestal? They both are saying stuff that isn't true.

And you look at the comments in this thread, they say the same thing, "MMA rules, boxing sucks". Well, I disagree. I like both sports, I watch both and I think they are good in different ways. But really I think that MMA fans are so insecure that they can't feel validated for liking their sport unless they are tearing boxing down. And MMA fans don't need to do that. MMA fans have a great sport that can stand on its own. Stop trying to make MMA seem like it is better than it is by tearing down boxing. Just do your own thing MMA.

Let's re-visit this "under 35" argument in 2 years, Cory.

It's not an argument Pat, just a simple discussion.

Like I tried to point out in my post, if you limit your observations of boxing and MMA to only the US then you aren't seeing the whole picture. They are both world wide sports. So you can't say "nobody under 35 cares about boxing" and sound like you are making an informed point. It's like saying that "nobody over 35 cares about MMA", it's just not true.

I was just kidding, since you're listed as 33 years old on your profile. I figured I could make a stronger case once you turn 35 haha

cool pick one there are many boxers in mma, plus hopkins is a over rated fighter. mma is more about martial arts and stuff you would see in a real fight. hopkins would never last with 5 minute rounds either, so that goes to show you which sport has the best conditioning. hopkins is the one talking trash about mma,so he should just shut up or put his money were his mouth is and step into the octagon.then of course we wuold have nothing to argue about would we?

A) If you can't understand the reaction of people who have been accused of homosexual proclivities en mass to the statements of a self delusional street punk who has a vested interest in stigmatizing a sport that is drawing away attention from his own; you need a better grasp of the obvious. I have no idea if watching "gay pornography" gives him the same sensations as watching MMA but if he thinks the two are at all similar he should stick to being film critic for the "gay film" industry.
B) To equate the two statements as being "the same" is to ignore what should be plain to a blind man.... Dan Hardy's mild retort is just hyperbole { exaggeration used to illustrate/drive home a truth }.
C) When Pat made the comment about the 35 year cut off point he wasn't taking into account the Special Olympics participants. .... Oops, There I go using that hyperbole !     

you misinterpretted/ misread Hardy's statements
he didn't say that no one under 35 cares about boxing anymore, he said that B-hop doesnt know anyone under 35 who cares about boxing anymore; this rather more implies that the average guy under 35 (atleast within B-hops own country) no longer cares what happens to boxing
He also said that it was being eclipsed by something more exciting, he doesn't mean that boxing is no longer selling..we've been over the PPV numbers plenty of times before but simply that he (and he implies most regular people) find it more exciting.
and you attack Dan Hardy for not being able to express an intelligent opinion, i may not like Hardy, but you attack his words and defend B-hops comment?? i won't drag quotes from the article a mere scroll away down here but simply look at them
Hardy spoke in a calm, non-aggressive way; where as your man B-hop called mma a bunch of homos in panties (does he often use this word in all his sentances?)

you claim that mma fans are so insecure that they can't feel validated unless they are tearing boxing down...now there may be some truth to this for some of these fans but again the hypocrisy runs thin; i've seen you get on every thread where anyone merely hints or shadows that they consider boxing better than mma or even simply call them marketing equals and flood comments like this
and you claim your not insecure about the future of your sport in comparison to mma?
now personally i DO find mma more entertaining than boxing, i like boxing but not nearly as much
i do also accept that mexico, philiphines etc. feel the same way about boxing but it is clear that B-hop is trying to put down mma because it's taking attention from his, Dan hardy's comment really didn't do that he just said he thinks it's being overtaken by UFC and arguably he is right, look at the channels and viewership where mma is played and look at the one's boxing is played on..it may not show a world wide audience favoring mma but it certainly shows americans losing interest in boxing. to an american boxer, i would think this would be far more important than knowing half of the philiphines would recognize you if you can't get into the club down the street...

Umm... and Dan Hardy isn't talking trash about boxing? No MMA fighter can punch with the kind of KO power that the really good boxers have. If they could, they'd be boxing where they can make a hell of a lot more $$$. You think any MMA fighter has the quarter of a billion dollars that Floyd Mayweather has? Nope, because they are all slaves to what Dana White says and he keeps the bulk of the $$$ for himself.

Sure, Hopkins might not last with 5 min rounds. But Dan Hardy, or any other MMA fighter, would have a similarly tough time lasting a full 36 minute fight (12 rounds x 3 mins per round). So does it really go to show which sport has the best conditioning when one sport is a 15 min fight (in most cases, I know some MMA fights are longer than 3 rounds) and another is a 36 min fight?

Perhaps Dan Hardy should also shut up and put his money where his mouth is too? I still say no MMA fighter can hang with B-Hop in a boxing match, and I'll agree that B-Hop can't hang with a top MMA fighter in a MMA match. SO ITS THE SAME DAMN THING!!!!

MMA fans need to get it through their heads that it is a *different* sport and stop with all the comparisions. Don't judge yourself by boxing, boxing isn't judging itself by MMA.

Sounds like you really can understand the reaction of people who have been accused of homosexual proclivities. Did it strike a nerve? 

And if you can't understand that where B-Hop comes from is a *completely* different society from what Dan Hardy comes from, then you need a better grasp of the obvious. Both statements from both guys are hyperbole. It seems stronger from B-Hop because his culture and background, like how you put it he's a "self delusional street punk". I prefer to look at it as he's from a completely different culture, not better or worse just different, from Hardy.

And I could say that you misinterpreted/misread Hardy's statement as well. What are you, his PR rep? How do you know that you understood it correctly and I didn't? Did you speak to him for clarification?

Hardy is clearly saying that Hopkins "knows nobody under the age of 35 cares about boxing anymore." It's pretty clear.

Again, boxing isn't being eclipsed by MMA. To eclipse a thing, you have to pass it over, exceed it, cover it up. MMA hasn't done that to boxing yet, by any measuring device you wish to use. Might MMA eclipse boxing someday? Perhaps... doubtful, but perhaps. But has it done so as of today? Nope, no way.

I'm not attacking Hardy or defending B-Hop. I think B-Hop's comments are disrespectful and ignorant. I also feel the same about Hardy's comments in return. As I've tried to point out numerous, numerous times they are both saying essentially the same thing, i.e. "My sport is great, your sport sucks". I'm tired of that POV from both boxing fans and MMA fans. Both sports are great, neither sport sucks, and they are *different* sports.

So you want to point out that I make a lot of posts supporting boxing? Sure, I do. I love boxing. I also like MMA. But there are dozens of threads that always seem to make it to the "Best of" page on the Q that have this slant of "MMA is great, boxing is terrible". I'm sure that is because most of the people here on the Q who make decisions about what goes on the "best of" page are those kind of MMA fans who want to do anything they can to prop up MMA by tearing down boxing. So yeah, I make my comments because I'm trying to show the alternative view that MMA and boxing are both great and one sport does not have to constantly tear at the other sport in order to feel good about itself.

Again, I think both Hardy and B-Hop are wrong in their stances. I'm just trying to point out that if you take off your MMA Homer Fan Glasses and read both comments you'll see that they are both basically the same thing. And if they are the same thing and you disagree with one, then you should disagree with both as I do.

"Sounds like you really can understand the reaction of people who have been accused of homosexual proclivities."

Duh! ... I'm one of the millions B.Hopkins besmirched with his idiotic remarks. The "I'm from a different "culture so I don't have to play by accepted standards of civility" is total B S . I spent 10 years of my adolescence in a barrio {i e Hispanic Ghetto }, If I were to say to you in Spanish that your mother bumps billy goats, would that be OK because that was said in my old neighborhood ?No!  Rude is rude, a punk's a punk, & an apologist for either is self deceived or a moron.

Agreed, rude is rude and a punk is a punk. And I'm not trying to be an apologist for either. What I am trying to do is show that different fans have different ideas of what is rude and what is "punkish" behavior.

B-Hop is out of line, clearly. But I think that any MMA fan or fighter who says that "Boxing is dead" or that "nobody cares about boxing" or any of those line of comments is being rude and a punk too. MMA is great, I won't dispute that. But saying that MMA is better than boxing is the same as saying that the NBA is better than NASCAR or that the PGA is better than the NFL. It's just not an accurate comparision. It's an opinion. And when some MMA fighter says that stuff, it is equivalent, in a way, to what B-Hop is saying about MMA.

They are both wrong points of view, period. That's all I'm trying to point out. MMA fanboys don't want to see that. They seemingly want to be able to say that it's OK for them to say "We're eclipsing boxing" or "Boxing is dead" but then it's not OK for a boxer to day "You know what? I think boxing is better than MMA."

You can fry B-Hop for making what are percieved to be anit-gay comments. That's fine with me. But at heart, if you take out the anit-gay stuff (which this original article was never really about) then they are both just trumping up their sport as better than the other sport. And that's what I have a problem with. Boxing isn't better than MMA. MMA isn't better than boxing.

This is similar to a political debate where you have people who hold to some, or most of the underlying principles espoused by one party or the other going to war over the outlandish remarks of one supposed party leader or another. The truth is, adherents to a set of beliefs should live by them & let the "lying bastages" in office go on with their hypocritical play-acting.
One other thing; I think what one can honestly say at this point is, that the growth rate of MMA has for this present time eclipsed the growth rate of boxing. Whether this remains the case is something that can only be determined when the future becomes history.

I totally agree, MMA is growing faster than Boxing at least as far at the US audience is concerned.

so boxers are overpaid premadonnas, mma is not about the money its about being the best all around fighter , every type of fighting skills are represented.. even boxers.

on this i'm gonna disagree because boxers aren't overpaid premadonnas, they are fighters...you try stepping in the ring with one and secondly the paydays are pretty similiar at this point in boxing and mma
in regards to Dan hardy and B-hop both saying the same thing
maybe they are..but not to sound childish here but who said it first...

cool, butt there is no way in hell that i would ever consider getting in the ring with bernard hopkins , i'm not stupid . you can go first,lol . and would you get in the octagon with chuck liddell? hmmm they het rich and it gives fans like us something to argue about . peace.

Point taken.

To compare that to boxing is ludicrous. It's a porno — it's an entertainment porno

As opposed to educational porno?

osu is awesomee

????????

what?

who is osu? and why are you mentioning him/her/it on an unrelated thread...

u dont no who ous is its college football team the bestt ever!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a mixed martial arts thread.......you know.....men get in a cage & fight. It's kinda like Dragon-ball Z only for real, or like Pokemon when they do battle.          Stop me when I get to a reference young enough for you to understand.     

lol, yes i think john expressed it well, i am aware of what OSU is however, i suggest you read the article before you post, or at least glance at the sport section your in

oo...ok....... well i just wanted to tell people osu is awesome:)

Okie dokie. { smiles & pats her head } You have fun now !

well im saying osu rockks ;):)

    Here's a thought;  find a poll or topic thread about college sports.      O K ?

look john all she is saying is osu rocks..i dont see why you have to get down on her for posting it on wrong threads..sections..even websites! ;)
such free posting should be encouraged
i'll begin:
osu rocks
that show family guy sure is funny
i like christmas
math is BORING!
i don't see why such valid opinions shouldn't be posted in totally unrelated articles

Rocks Rocks Rocks! Why does it always have to be Rocks? What if I think OSU Boulders, or Pebbles, or Stones? What then.....Hugh? .....What then???!      

P.S. You don't think I Funny no more??    

I think the pebbles one pushed it...but the boulders one fit well.

well good idea im still going to comment onother topics :) ok

All we are trying to explain is that you will get more respect if you post comments that are pertinent to the subject being discussed.     

ok well ok

Yea right id put my money on any fighter against any boxer any day dude..

Must be why you are a brazillionaire, right? 

well, it's a fair claim, it's the same reason no fighter in one discipline can come into a sport like mma and succeed without becoming well rounded, a boxer without being submitted or getting pounded
just like a jiu-jitsu/ muay thai fighter probably wouldn't do to well in a boxing match with an american boxer

It's a fair claim if you say that the boxer is taking on the mma fighter in a mma rules fight. But put the mma fighter in a boxing match against one of the worlds best boxers, and who do you think is gonna win in that situation?

Wow He was talking about MMA? this clip seems like he was talking WWE.

Take away all rules & then who wins ? .......... Which was the whole point of what used to be called NHB. The original ethos of MMA was to learn what the truth was with regard to human combat in an unarmed environment.     

Sure, take away all rules and the thuggish nature of MMA wins out. Boxing is a gentleman's sport, after all. Which is why it attracts a higher class of fan and athlete.

haha, i'll take that higher class of fan and athlete on the chin, keeping in mind mike tyson, b-hop but there are guys like that in both sports
and yes, if you read my comment i said that a grappler or someone who focused on muay thai or karate or any form of striking which doesn't utilize the big gloves of boxing AND focuses on use of only the hands as a contact point