FanIQ News: Big Ben's lofty numbers makes him MVP Candidate - , Pittsburgh Steelers, Indianapolis Colts

2	He's put up great numbers so far, but let's see this continue. I can't wait to see the reaction this will get.

10/14/09

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Part of me thinks, "how good would his numbers be if his receivers didn't have Braylonitis?" That's 3 more TD's for sure. Then part of me thinks, man, if they could run the right routes, his INT's would be down. But, MVP means Most VALUABLE Player. With the numbers Peyton puts up, take him away from the Colts. Take Ben out, and there is a good chance Batch can lead the Steelers to a victory or two. No Peyton for 2 weeks=2 losses.

The Steelers have a bunch of number 2 receivers in reality, Hines Ward being the ultimate possession, stick moving guy. Holmes could be a number one, but he has been a real disappointment for me. To me, the intriguing guy is Mike Wallace. He's a raw rookie with speed to burn. Heath Miller is a top tier TE...Maybe not Gates & Gonzalez, but every bit as good as anyone else you name in the league.

I for one don't care about the MVP in football...it just does not really seem to be anything other than which QB has the best stats. And of course, as we all know, football is a team sport !

10/14/09

lavabuster

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"He has thrown for 1,470 yards, which is second behind Peyton Manning and well ahead of other top quarterbacks such as Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, and he is on pace for 26 touchdown passes and a 102.6 quarterback rating"

If we are talking about 26+ td stats, why are we not talking about Matt Ryan....This man is on pace for a 4000 yard season with 28 TD's and only 8 picks, with a 102.9 QB rating....Let's face it, if we are talking stats, a lot of people should be in the catagory....

What about Cedric Benson? This isn't the "best QB of the year" award. Benson has brought a run game to Cincy, after being declared a bust.....without him, i say the bengals are 2-3......

It's too early to bring people into the MVP discussion, because regardless...at the moment this award is Peyton's to lose, and it doesn't look like he is going to lose it anytime soon....

10/14/09

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(Edited by Flone87)

That is one problem with the "MVP" in my opinion..it's QB by default unless a RB has a monster season and is on a winning team. It's why the NFL also has offensive & defensive players of the year. Could James Harrison been last year's MVP? Definitely, but an OLB? No way, not glamorous enough, so he had to settle for Defensive Player of the Year, and could care less he won that award.

I think LT, the Giant won MVP once? He's the only defensive guy I can ever remember winning it. It is a QB/RB award. I don't remember any WR's winning either...

10/14/09

bamf528

3	The only thing Big Ben could possibly beat Peyton Manning at is an oreo licking competition. http://www.nabiscoworld.com/Oreo/DSRL/home.aspx

10/14/09

lavabuster

1	(Edited by lavabuster) Could not agree more, the voters are biased towards QB's and RB's.....It is killing the meaning of this award....

10/14/09

JCAL9

1	I think it is too early to discuss poss MVP's but if you have to say anything about it... All I can say is, holla back when Big Ben is first & Peyton is 2nd, in the meantime... All these possibilities are just possiblities, nothing more, nothing less..

10/14/09

3	lavabuster wrote: Could not agree more, the voters are biased towards QB's and RB's.....It is killing the meaning of this award.... That's why I'd like to see someone like Polamalu win the award to get people to stop automatically thinking the MVP must be a quarterback.

10/14/09

3	Peyton didn't throw a pick-six last weekend. nuff said.

10/14/09

2	Even tho im not a huge fan Ben is having a good year thus far.

10/14/09

1	aerockyulhim wrote: That's why I'd like to see someone like Polamalu win the award to get people to stop automatically thinking the MVP must be a quarterback. Agreed. Its always about the quarterbacks tho unfourtanley. When a team is succesfull the quarter back gets all the credit. For the most part atleast

10/14/09

11	Know how I know Ben Roethlisberger is overrated? Because he's on pace for 26 TD's, and people are throwing around the idea that he's an MVP contender. There are 6 QB's with more TD's, and to be honest, there's not a single QB in the league who belongs in the same conversation as Peyton Manning right now.

10/14/09

mk_donley

0	The NFL MVP should be awarded to every NFL player; not QB only.

10/14/09

1	QB's get all the glory for the most part. I also agree with all the posts that the MVP of the league is generally awarded to the best QB of that year. I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Ronnie Brown being considered. He's doing everything for the Dolphins right now. But, so far it looks like Peyton is running away with the MVP.

10/14/09

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Dubya wrote:

QB's get all the glory for the most part. I also agree with all the posts that the MVP of the league is generally awarded to the best QB of that year. I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Ronnie Brown being considered. He's doing everything for the Dolphins right now. But, so far it looks like Peyton is running away with the MVP.

I think Ronnie Brown will get some consideration if, and that is a big if, the Dolphins make some noise in the AFC East. After the bye, they have some tough games, Saints, Jets and Pats, and could be in a big hole or in 1st place.

Can anyone explain why they play the Jets 2 out 3 weeks?

10/14/09

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Pat wrote:

Know how I know Ben Roethlisberger is overrated? Because he's on pace for 26 TD's, and people are throwing around the idea that he's an MVP contender. There are 6 QB's with more TD's, and to be honest, there's not a single QB in the league who belongs in the same conversation as Peyton Manning right now.

Know how I completely disagree? You said it, and he has 3 dropped TD passes, which, in the world of hypotheticals, puts his "pace" at 35. Oh, and I know one QB he has more TD's than...Tom Brady.

However, and this pains me in ways you cannot imagine, I agree with you Pat, Peyton is head and shoulders above everyone in the league at his position.

10/14/09

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Pat wrote:

Know how I know Ben Roethlisberger is overrated? Because he's on pace for 26 TD's, and people are throwing around the idea that he's an MVP contender. There are 6 QB's with more TD's, and to be honest, there's not a single QB in the league who belongs in the same conversation as Peyton Manning right now.

The source of this debate is from a pittsburgh paper. They win a game and the pittsburgh's going to the super bowl song starts blaring through out the city. And they also run for the hills and throw in the towel when they loose one. So when their quaterback puts up good numbers they say he is mvp material. But when he doesn't they say stats dont matter. It's steeler fans..... you can never win in a argument with them believe me. Even tho you may the stuff you say them will be the total 100% truth it goes in one ear and out the other.

Im a colts fan living in the city of pittsburgh I catch crap all the time.

10/14/09

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Flone87 wrote:

Know how I completely disagree? You said it, and he has 3 dropped TD passes, which, in the world of hypotheticals, puts his "pace" at 35. Oh, and I know one QB he has more TD's than...Tom Brady.

However, and this pains me in ways you cannot imagine, I agree with you Pat, Peyton is head and shoulders above everyone in the league at his position.

Yes, he has more TD's than Tom Brady. But no one in their right mind would put Brady in the MVP discussion right now. Not even the worst Patriots homer, because we're actually DISAPPOINTED with his performance so far.

Even in the Patriots wins, Brady was overthrowing his WR's, severely underthrowing them at other times, looked tentative, and his accuracy has just not been what we've come to expect of him. I understand that he's coming off a huge injury, and we have to be patient with him, but it's frustrating regardless. So thanks for the gratuitous Brady reference, but it was quite irrelevant.

Regardless, anyone who thinks that Ben is even giving Peyton a run for his money right now falls in the same category as anyone who thinks Jeter or Teixeira deserve the AL MVP, or Sabathia should be the Cy Young winner... douchebag homers. Period.

10/14/09

CoachJones83

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Pat wrote:

Yes, he has more TD's than Tom Brady. But no one in their right mind would put Brady in the MVP discussion right now. Not even the worst Patriots homer, because we're actually DISAPPOINTED with his performance so far.

Even in the Patriots wins, Brady was overthrowing his WR's, severely underthrowing them at other times, looked tentative, and his accuracy has just not been what we've come to expect of him. I understand that he's coming off a huge injury, and we have to be patient with him, but it's frustrating regardless. So thanks for the gratuitous Brady reference, but it was quite irrelevant.

Regardless, anyone who thinks that Ben is even giving Peyton a run for his money right now falls in the same category as anyone who thinks Jeter or Teixeira deserve the AL MVP, or Sabathia should be the Cy Young winner... douchebag homers. Period.

Tom Brady sucks balls anyway. Get over it.

10/14/09

1	mk_donley wrote: The NFL MVP should be awarded to every NFL player; not QB only. yeah, just like in little league! Everyone gets a trophy!

10/14/09

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Flone87 wrote:

Know how I completely disagree? You said it, and he has 3 dropped TD passes, which, in the world of hypotheticals, puts his "pace" at 35. Oh, and I know one QB he has more TD's than...Tom Brady.

However, and this pains me in ways you cannot imagine, I agree with you Pat, Peyton is head and shoulders above everyone in the league at his position.

Were you counting dropped TDs of every other QB as well? I know Romo threw 3 TD passes that were dropped last week as well. Oh and a couple more against the Broncos. I think he's on pace for like 50 TD passes if you're counting drops.

10/14/09

Scott

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Roethlisberger's stats surely garner some type of honorable mention as a possible MVP candidate but I think we need to see a full body of work over 16 games to really put him in the same league as Peyton Manning. Whether everybody likes it or not, MVP voters always take into account the consistency that quarterbacks have shown throughout there career and that usually what pushes some people to the front of the list over others. As long as Peyton Manning continues to put up the numbers he does and the Colts continue to get the job done on the field in terms of wins, he will always be the guy who sets the barometer as the front runner for the MVP.

10/14/09

daddybair33

0	no top wideout hello ever heard of Hines Ward.

10/14/09

donm454

0	ary201 wrote: Were you counting dropped TDs of every other QB as well? I know Romo threw 3 TD passes that were dropped last week as well. Oh and a couple more against the Broncos. I think he's on pace for like 50 TD passes if you're counting drops. Well it doesn't count as a drop when its throw behind the receiver or right to the defender.

10/14/09

demart51

0	Peyton will always win the MVP Award. He is the best out there this season, before his bro Eli. Giants are my 2nd favorite team.

10/14/09

1	donm454 wrote: Well it doesn't count as a drop when its throw behind the receiver or right to the defender. You talking about Ben or Romo? Could be either from that comment.

10/14/09

0	demart51 wrote: Peyton will always win the MVP Award. He is the best out there this season, before his bro Eli. Giants are my 2nd favorite team. always win it?

10/14/09

2	WELL ITS LIKE THIS AT THE END OF THE SEASON WHEN ALL THE PASSES HAVE BEEN COMPLETED IF THE NUMBERS ARE THERE THEN...........YES IF NOT THEN NO. WE ALL WILL SEE AT THE END OF THE SEASON. LOOK LIKE HE HAS A GOOD START DESPITE THERE RECORD.

10/14/09

0	daddybair33 wrote: no top wideout hello ever heard of Hines Ward. Isn't he only a slot receiver? I think Holmes is their #1 receiver.

10/14/09

0	(Edited by aerockyulhim) (stupid double posting!)

10/14/09

1	I sometimes use that argument as well, but Flone up above made a good point. If you take Big Ben off of the Steelers, that team could probably go far. If you take Peyton off of the Colts, they're done.

10/14/09

1	aerockyulhim wrote: Isn't he only a slot receiver? I think Holmes is their #1 receiver. I've never heard of a slot receiver holding every single receiving record for a franchise.

10/14/09

0	kramer wrote: I've never heard of a slot receiver holding every single receiving record for a franchise. That may be, but am I right? That's what announcers call him every time I watch radio highlights of their games.

10/14/09

0	And I wasn't meaning that as disrespect, that's just the way I've heard him classified

10/14/09

0	(Edited by kramer) How exactly do you watch radio highlights? I've never heard him classified as that. I've certainly heard "Ben finds Ward in the slot," but that doesn't make him a pure slot receiver.

10/14/09

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kramer wrote:

How exactly do you watch radio highlights? I've never heard him classified as that. I've certainly heard "Ben finds Ward in the slot," but that doesn't make him a pure slot receiver.

I "watch" them on NFL.com. They play all the highlights with the teams' radio announcers' clips juxtaposed onto the video, rather than the TV announcers. I live in Japan, and there's no highlights or games over here. So I have to use NFL.com and many other sports sites to keep up.
So my point is that when I hear a Steelers' radio announcer call Hines Ward a slot receiver, that's what I'm going to go with when classifying him.

10/14/09

1	Okay, I understand, but don't always believe what radio announcers tell you. You don't get career numbers like Ward has by being a slot receiver.

10/14/09

0	kramer wrote: Okay, I understand, but don't always believe what radio announcers tell you. You don't get career numbers like Ward has by being a slot receiver. Gotcha

10/14/09

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My German Shepherd is named Hines...Every Pittsburgher loves Hines Ward, because he NEVER takes a play off, he's always blocking, and has done more with 4.7 speed than anyone, and works his tail off...but, what defines a #1 WR? Hines is predominately a possession WR, he is not going to stretch the field, is not going to have 10 catches over 40 yards (and I mean without YAC). What is considered a #1 is a guy who has speed to burn, size, and catches everything, ala Fitz, Marshall, Ocho, Plax, SF/Philly TO, etc, where you just throw it up and watch them come down with it.

Holmes is more of a #1 WR in the Steelers offense, but he needs to quit watching the SB43 highlights and remember that to "be great" you have to work, use your brain on the field and run the right routes and catch the ball.

10/15/09

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Flone87 wrote:

My German Shepherd is named Hines...Every Pittsburgher loves Hines Ward, because he NEVER takes a play off, he's always blocking, and has done more with 4.7 speed than anyone, and works his tail off...but, what defines a #1 WR? Hines is predominately a possession WR, he is not going to stretch the field, is not going to have 10 catches over 40 yards (and I mean without YAC). What is considered a #1 is a guy who has speed to burn, size, and catches everything, ala Fitz, Marshall, Ocho, Plax, SF/Philly TO, etc, where you just throw it up and watch them come down with it.

Holmes is more of a #1 WR in the Steelers offense, but he needs to quit watching the SB43 highlights and remember that to "be great" you have to work, use your brain on the field and run the right routes and catch the ball.

Every real football fan loves Hines Ward. The guy is everything that anyone could ever ask for in a receiver. He's not in the same vein as a Moss/Fitzgerald type, but he's an excellent WR.

10/15/09

mpndt2004

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Flone87 wrote:

My German Shepherd is named Hines...Every Pittsburgher loves Hines Ward, because he NEVER takes a play off, he's always blocking, and has done more with 4.7 speed than anyone, and works his tail off...but, what defines a #1 WR? Hines is predominately a possession WR, he is not going to stretch the field, is not going to have 10 catches over 40 yards (and I mean without YAC). What is considered a #1 is a guy who has speed to burn, size, and catches everything, ala Fitz, Marshall, Ocho, Plax, SF/Philly TO, etc, where you just throw it up and watch them come down with it.

Holmes is more of a #1 WR in the Steelers offense, but he needs to quit watching the SB43 highlights and remember that to "be great" you have to work, use your brain on the field and run the right routes and catch the ball.

i agree wit tha too

10/15/09

2	Pat wrote: Every real football fan loves Hines Ward. The guy is everything that anyone could ever ask for in a receiver. He's not in the same vein as a Moss/Fitzgerald type, but he's an excellent WR. Please don't put Moss and The other guy in the same sentence again. Fitzgerald is better than that.

10/15/09

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Dubya wrote:

Please don't put Moss and The other guy in the same sentence again. Fitzgerald is better than that.

Right now, yes. But whether you like him or not, Moss has been a game-changing, all-time great WR in his career. Fitzgerald is the best right now, but Moss is top 5 all-time.

My point wasn't to compare them, though, it was more to illustrate the difference in playing styles. Hines Ward is great, but he's different from those other 2, stylistically.

10/15/09

kantwistaye

1	When the comparison is Tommy Maddox or Kordell Stewart then sure, Big Ben is the difference. Still does nothing if you're arguing that he's elite.

10/15/09

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I dont agree that the colts divison is weaker. Both divisons have there ups and downs. The last couple of seasons the steelers have a much weaker divison. Now around the 04-05 time span yeah i could go with the steelers divison It was tough but the past couple of years it hasnt been. This year tho minus the browns it is looking tough. And the colts divison is looking weak but all teams in the colts divison have potential to be good. Titans just need to find their identiy, they are definatley are not the browns. The jags arent so bad and the texans will be a 500 team.
If the colts played outdoors im sure they would be good to. Why because they would be used to it. Much like the steelers are. I dont buy into that.

Steeler fans loved tommy and kordell them shunned them when they did bad.

10/15/09

0	Manning also beats him in leauge MVP's Superbowl MVP's And just about in every stat known to man He has much better commercials 2 (just joking on that one)

10/15/09

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kantwistaye wrote:

When the comparison is Tommy Maddox or Kordell Stewart then sure, Big Ben is the difference. Still does nothing if you're arguing that he's elite.

Very true... for example, the 2001 Steelers went 13-3, and lost to the eventual Super Bowl champions... and that was when Kordell Stewart was the QB. The next year, they went 10-5-1, and lost to the Titans in the playoffs with Tommy Maddox under center. But that was a 34-31 loss, so you could hardly blame it solely on the offense/QB, but apparently Big Ben is just enough to push them over the edge.

Since Roethlisberger took over in 2004, the Steelers have allowed an average of 14.44 points per game. It's not difficult to win games when it only takes an average of two scores. There are a lot of QB's who can do that. It doesn't take an elite QB, by any stretch... so the Steelers will settle with Big Ben, and make sure the rest of their team is good enough to compete with teams who DO have elite QB's. Good strategy, really.

10/15/09

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Pat wrote:

Right now, yes. But whether you like him or not, Moss has been a game-changing, all-time great WR in his career. Fitzgerald is the best right now, but Moss is top 5 all-time.

My point wasn't to compare them, though, it was more to illustrate the difference in playing styles. Hines Ward is great, but he's different from those other 2, stylistically.

My point was that Larry won't ever be that kind of guy like Moss was before he got to the Patriots.

10/15/09

1	Dubya wrote: My point was that Larry won't ever be that kind of guy like Moss was before he got to the Patriots. I also agree with that. Moss has always had issues, while Larry is definitely the model teammate, and a great guy, by all accounts.

10/15/09

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Agreed.. thats why it annoys the hell out of me when everyone is like big ben fastest to 50 wins. Look what kind of team he joined. They were good without him. Colts 3-13 team then they get manning.. first season again 3-13 then after that he has won 12 or more games every year. How many 12 or more win seasons does ben have 2 manning what 11. And i dont want to hear about the 2 superbowls. Marino has 0 and dont tell me ben is better than him 2.

10/15/09

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aacwell wrote:

Agreed.. thats why it annoys the hell out of me when everyone is like big ben fastest to 50 wins. Look what kind of team he joined. They were good without him. Colts 3-13 team then they get manning.. first season again 3-13 then after that he has won 12 or more games every year. How many 12 or more win seasons does ben have 2 manning what 11. And i dont want to hear about the 2 superbowls. Marino has 0 and dont tell me ben is better than him 2.

It's called drafting. Draft players. Sign them. Oh wait we don't! (Pirates I mean). The MLB isn't set up for the losing teams to get a chance like the NFL. Or NHL for that matter.

10/15/09

2	aacwell wrote: Manning also beats him in leauge MVP's Superbowl MVP's And just about in every stat known to man He has much better commercials 2 (just joking on that one) In all fairness, Manning won the MVP award in SB XLI because his name is Peyton Manning. Sanders, Rhodes, and Addai all deserved the MVP in that game more than Peyton.

10/15/09

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kramer wrote:

In all fairness, Manning won the MVP award in SB XLI because his name is Peyton Manning. Sanders, Rhodes, and Addai all deserved the MVP in that game more than Peyton.

I was pulling for rhodes to get it that game. I was trying to find his numbers for the game but i couldn't find them. I remember it was pouring down rain all game. Im sure his name played a big part in getting it, and im sure the way he played did 2.

10/15/09

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Dubya wrote:

It's called drafting. Draft players. Sign them. Oh wait we don't! (Pirates I mean). The MLB isn't set up for the losing teams to get a chance like the NFL. Or NHL for that matter.

I mean i don't see how the pirates get brought up in a convo about big ben and peyton manning. I can go on and on defending my pirates. And in their defense, they did have about the worst farm system in baseball a couple years back. now they have some really good players emerging from the minors.
Theres 2 ways you win in baseball. Your the yankees and buy the best talent on the market because your the yankees and you can and everybody hates you for it. Or you do what the rays did. Draft young talent, Build a farm system then reek the benifits of them when they grow into themselves. Rockies 2 look at them

10/15/09

1	You have to have competent management, and the Pirates have some of that now with Huntington, but they still have a complete moron for an owner. Now, getting back to football, Rhodes and Addai carried the offense in that game.

10/15/09

donm454

0	ary201 wrote: You talking about Ben or Romo? Could be either from that comment. It was targeted at Romo, but I see your point lol.

10/18/09

2	Here is some numbers to add to BIG Ben's vote for MVP 22/35 417yards 2 TD 1 INT

10/18/09

2	joe_lindberg wrote: Here is some numbers to add to BIG Ben's vote for MVP 22/35 417yards 2 TD 1 INT Against the Browns... Are you serious right now? Get outta here with that crap. What a joke.

10/18/09

0	Pat wrote: Against the Browns... Are you serious right now? Get outta here with that crap. What a joke. The stats for MVP come from every game they don't pick and choose. Thought I would let you know evidently you didn't with that ignorant comment.

10/18/09

1	Pat wrote: Against the Browns... Are you serious right now? Get outta here with that crap. What a joke. And I was just saying there are some stats to add. If you would have read the comment I put above you would see that I'am not saying Ben is getting the MVP.

10/18/09

1	joe_lindberg wrote: The stats for MVP come from every game they don't pick and choose. Thought I would let you know evidently you didn't with that ignorant comment. Right, but those stats are still irrelevant. If anyone looks at that game and thinks "wow, Ben Roethlisberger is a legit MVP candidate", then they don't deserve a vote.

10/18/09

derms33

0	If U can get first downs w/o actually making first downs, it makes your stats all the more worthwhile

10/18/09

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ive seen this coming a mile away after today's game. I have to think who they play does come into play. Last year manning get its... even tho brees had crazy numbers. Why he got it was because they won 9 straight games. didnt throw a pick from november on and put at good numbers in the mix. It was against team like the steelers,titans, chargers and ravens 2. Not just the lions and the browns. Hey if he continues to put numbers up like this all year long against every team in the nfl then i would glady like to see him get it. But i have to agree with pat tho. Its the lions and browns and its only week 6.

And neone could explain to me how that was a first down when it clearly looked like it wasnt. I dont know the in depth ruling of football. i always thought the tip of the ball had to pass the pole or even the chain for that matter. From the angles on tv it clearly didnt.

10/18/09

derms33

2	Oh, and Drew Brees would like his article now

10/18/09

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Pat wrote:

Right, but those stats are still irrelevant. If anyone looks at that game and thinks "wow, Ben Roethlisberger is a legit MVP candidate", then they don't deserve a vote.

I never that i was impressed I think you may have taking what i wrote the wrong way I just said here is some more numbers to add towards his votes. I don't think anyone will be impressed cause like you said the numbers come from playing the Browns. And as far as being a legit candidate the numbers don't lie, at the end of the season it is what it is, whom ever may win MVP.

10/18/09

1	Just for the record, Matt Schaub and Drew Brees were both MUCH better than Roethlisberger today. And they actually played legit NFL teams.

10/18/09

1	Pat wrote: Just for the record, Matt Schaub and Drew Brees were both MUCH better than Roethlisberger today. And they actually played legit NFL teams. That's your opinion and maybe you need to worry about Tom "LVP" Brady cause he not doing so hot. Or maybe that's all you could come up with either way I have football to watch. Have a nice day.

10/18/09

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joe_lindberg wrote:

That's your opinion and maybe you need to worry about Tom "LVP" Brady cause he not doing so hot. Or maybe that's all you could come up with either way I have football to watch. Have a nice day.

It's not opinion. It's fact. But enjoy watching football. I could sit here and spit out the ridiculous numbers that Brady is already putting up against the Titans, but I realize they're a crappy team, and are missing both of their starting CB's. So in other words, they're kinda like the Browns, and there's nothing impressive about putting up huge numbers against them.

10/18/09

0	joe_lindberg wrote: That's your opinion and maybe you need to worry about Tom "LVP" Brady cause he not doing so hot. Or maybe that's all you could come up with either way I have football to watch. Have a nice day. Im not a brady fan but he did just throw 4 tds in one quarter. In the snow.

10/18/09

0	aacwell wrote: Im not a brady fan but he did just throw 4 tds in one quarter. In the snow. Yes he did its some impressive stats I hope for his team he keeps it up cause he is much better than the way he has been playing for the past few weeks.

10/18/09

0	joe_lindberg wrote: Yes he did its some impressive stats I hope for his team he keeps it up cause he is much better than the way he has been playing for the past few weeks. i just hope that they stop scoring in this game. show some respect to the titans here

10/18/09

Scott

4	joe_lindberg wrote: Here is some numbers to add to BIG Ben's vote for MVP 22/35 417yards 2 TD 1 INT Peyton Manning plays the Rams next week. I see your stats, raise you 2 touchdowns with 1 less interception

10/18/09

1	Scott wrote: Peyton Manning plays the Rams next week. I see your stats, raise you 2 touchdowns with 1 less interception Tom Brady played the Titans this week. I see your stats, and raise you ANOTHER TD, and he'll do it in the 2nd quarter alone.

10/18/09

0	So.....what are the Brady's record this year?

10/18/09

0	Dubya wrote: So.....what are the Brady's record this year? Individuals don't have records, in terms of wins and losses, but the Patriots are 4-2, if that's what you're asking.

10/19/09

0	Pat wrote: Tom Brady played the Titans this week. I see your stats, and raise you ANOTHER TD, and he'll do it in the 2nd quarter alone. Well you did write that Tom Brady played the Titans.

10/19/09

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Dubya wrote:

Well you did write that Tom Brady played the Titans.

Indeed. Their secondary is terrible. While 5 TD's in one quarter is impressive against ANY team, it's still the Titans. They are seriously awful right now.

However, it's interesting to note that Brady did significantly better against the Titans than Roethlisberger did. He also has much better numbers over the course of the entire season.

That being said, there's no way I'd even have Brady in the top 5 in MVP voting, because I just don't think he fits the bill. Just throwing that out there.

10/19/09

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Pat wrote:

Indeed. Their secondary is terrible. While 5 TD's in one quarter is impressive against ANY team, it's still the Titans. They are seriously awful right now.

However, it's interesting to note that Brady did significantly better against the Titans than Roethlisberger did. He also has much better numbers over the course of the entire season.

That being said, there's no way I'd even have Brady in the top 5 in MVP voting, because I just don't think he fits the bill. Just throwing that out there.

Wow! When did I mention Roethlisberger? They did play the Titans at different points in the season. Ben is playing better now just like Brady is.

10/19/09

macdonadjeams

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Pat wrote:

Indeed. Their secondary is terrible. While 5 TD's in one quarter is impressive against ANY team, it's still the Titans. They are seriously awful right now.

However, it's interesting to note that Brady did significantly better against the Titans than Roethlisberger did. He also has much better numbers over the course of the entire season.

That being said, there's no way I'd even have Brady in the top 5 in MVP voting, because I just don't think he fits the bill. Just throwing that out there.

can you tell me more about it

10/19/09