11/4/09

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I really don't see what the big deal is.

Firstly, the league has suggested that they would like to get the vaccination.

Secondly, I would suspect that although they might not be highest risk group, they are higher than most people.

Thirdly, I know that the guidelines now are that pregant women and children should be the first to receive the vaccine but this was last Friday and that pronouncement didn't come until last Friday. I'm certain the clinic was set up long before Friday at a time when everyone was allowed to get it.

I know there is an outcry that it was a special clinic for them and I know the optics are bad. I agree to an extent but I suggest there should have been some more special clinics for health care workers, police, fire fighters and so on. I'm not sure the Flames should have received special consideration.

Good write up Debi...

11/4/09

cttbs

1	So, I understand that "young children, pregnant women and the elderly" should get the H1N1 vaccine first. Should the Calgary Flames and their families get it before Health care providers? What about the the Health care providers looking after people infected with the H1N1?

11/4/09

JrCanuckFan

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cttbs wrote:

So, I understand that "young children, pregnant women and the elderly" should get the H1N1 vaccine first. Should the Calgary Flames and their families get it before Health care providers? What about the the Health care providers looking after people infected with the H1N1?

I'm not positive what is happening in Alberta - although I'm only 5 miles from the border, it might as well be 500 sometimes - but here in BC, doctors and nurses are receiving the vaccine, but not people who work outside of hospital or clinic situations, ie; Homes for the elderly, mentally handicapped, physically handicapped. They will be given the opportunity to obtain the flu shot if/when it becomes available to the general public. Of course, the way the flu is making its way thru our small community, within another week the vaccine won't be needed - too little too late.

11/4/09

JrCanuckFan

3	The Flames published a clarification (without apologies) today on their site. They followed protocol and I say Kudos to them!

11/4/09

half_baked

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JrCanuckFan wrote:

The Flames published a clarification (without apologies) today on their site. They followed protocol and I say Kudos to them!

Brought forward from the website:

Calgary Flames H1N1 medical protocol

Tuesday, 03.11.2009 / 2:06 PM / News

calgaryflames.com

The Calgary Flames issued the following statement today in regards to H1N1 medical protocol:

Recently Flames fans and Calgarians will have heard and read information concerning our medical protocol for the prevention of H1N1 amongst our players.

For clarity, our organization and our medical staff felt that our players should receive the vaccination given the risks associated with frequent physical contact, extreme exertion and onerous domestic and cross border travel.

Last week our team physicians worked with Alberta Health Services and assessed the risks on our team and the potential commotion and intrusion that sending the team to one of the locations would cause.

Consequently, on Friday our players were vaccinated at an off-site clinic within the public system and under the direction of Alberta Health Services.

The prudence of this approach has and will come under close scrutiny due to the controversial nature of the flu pandemic and the recently-announced change to the vaccination protocol and move to a full priority-based distribution system.

Our players did not seek to either avoid line-ups or get special attention.

They followed the direction of our medical staff and our organization.

We sought counsel and guidance on this matter and determined it appropriate given the facts available at the time.

We accept full responsibility for our actions and decisions.

I can accept that explanation.

11/4/09

HULL_17

1	i think that if all protocals and everything was done right i don't see where the problem is either...

11/4/09

cttbs

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JrCanuckFan wrote:

I'm not positive what is happening in Alberta - although I'm only 5 miles from the border, it might as well be 500 sometimes - but here in BC, doctors and nurses are receiving the vaccine, but not people who work outside of hospital or clinic situations, ie; Homes for the elderly, mentally handicapped, physically handicapped. They will be given the opportunity to obtain the flu shot if/when it becomes available to the general public. Of course, the way the flu is making its way thru our small community, within another week the vaccine won't be needed - too little too late.

I live in BC as well and I know for a fact that not all Doctor's and nurse's who have looked after H1N1 patients have been given the vaccine. I don't know where JrCanuckFan has gotten his information from but that's simply not true everywhere in BC. I find it ridiculous that a hockey team and there family could get it before Health Care workers!!!!!! I do not understand why there has not been vaccinations given to the Doctors and Nurses working at the Hospitals already.

11/4/09

HULL_17

0	...if you're already exposed to it...it's not going to matter if you get the vaccine or not...

11/4/09

cttbs

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HULL_17 wrote:

...if you're already exposed to it...it's not going to matter if you get the vaccine or not...

That is not true. You don't think Doctors and Nurses take precautions when looking after these patients? They may not be infected taking care of these patients now but what about next week?

My point is, they should have been at or near the top of the list for the vaccination, NOT hockey players and their families!

11/4/09

JrCanuckFan

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cttbs wrote:

I live in BC as well and I know for a fact that not all Doctor's and nurse's who have looked after H1N1 patients have been given the vaccine. I don't know where JrCanuckFan has gotten his information from but that's simply not true everywhere in BC. I find it ridiculous that a hockey team and there family could get it before Health Care workers!!!!!! I do not understand why there has not been vaccinations given to the Doctors and Nurses working at the Hospitals already.

I didn't say it was the case everywhere in BC, not even close. what I said was:

"but here in BC, doctors and nurses are receiving the vaccine, "

"are receiving" is entirely different than "have received" so I suggest you read more carefully exactly what you are disagreeing with.

I live in a small community and I know that when I was sick with N1N1 last week, the nurse in my doctor's office told me the vaccine was just arriving in our community. There was a clinic on Monday and there were 5 times the number of people there as there were vaccines. And in case you actually care about the Flames case, the Health Care official responsible for them receiving the vaccine has now been fired. That should make you happy.

11/4/09

sportsfreak008

0	And everyone makes such a big deal out of this so I don't effing care.

11/4/09

cttbs

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JrCanuckFan wrote:

I didn't say it was the case everywhere in BC, not even close. what I said was:

"but here in BC, doctors and nurses are receiving the vaccine, "

"are receiving" is entirely different than "have received" so I suggest you read more carefully exactly what you are disagreeing with.

I live in a small community and I know that when I was sick with N1N1 last week, the nurse in my doctor's office told me the vaccine was just arriving in our community. There was a clinic on Monday and there were 5 times the number of people there as there were vaccines. And in case you actually care about the Flames case, the Health Care official responsible for them receiving the vaccine has now been fired. That should make you happy.

My apologies. I interpreted the "but here in B.C, doctors and nurses are receiving the vaccine" as they have received it. The fact remains that a hockey team and there families should not have received the vaccine before health care workers and a lot of other people. In my opinion they manipulated the system for their on benefit. It takes money, status or knowing the right people to be able to do that. As for me being happy about someone losing there job, that's absurd. While people need to be accountable for manipulating the system, to become happy as a result of someone loosing there job is twisted.

11/5/09

JrCanuckFan

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cttbs wrote:

My apologies. I interpreted the "but here in B.C, doctors and nurses are receiving the vaccine" as they have received it. The fact remains that a hockey team and there families should not have received the vaccine before health care workers and a lot of other people. In my opinion they manipulated the system for their on benefit. It takes money, status or knowing the right people to be able to do that. As for me being happy about someone losing there job, that's absurd. While people need to be accountable for manipulating the system, to become happy as a result of someone loosing there job is twisted.

But the Flames did not manipulate the system. They followed the required protocol, and requested that the players be permitted to attend at an undisclosed location to receive their shots so as to avoid an uncomfortable situation at a very public flu clinic. If it was a problem, bthe Health care officials they contacted should have said so. If the official gave permitted them to receive it inappropriately, then he should be held accountable, but I still say the request was not out of line, nor was giving it to them in a private location. I'm not sure why the Official was fired, but probably just to satisfy the public outcry.

11/5/09

JrCanuckFan

0	ANd the hockey players SHOULD receive it ahead of time because of the travelling they do. They are travelling all over the continent. Without the flu vaccine, they could be carrying the virus and passing it on to unheard of numbers of peoples. They are contagious four full days before they become sick.

11/5/09

cttbs

0	(Edited by cttbs) Not before health care workers....

11/5/09

cttbs

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JrCanuckFan wrote:

But the Flames did not manipulate the system. They followed the required protocol, and requested that the players be permitted to attend at an undisclosed location to receive their shots so as to avoid an uncomfortable situation at a very public flu clinic. If it was a problem, bthe Health care officials they contacted should have said so. If the official gave permitted them to receive it inappropriately, then he should be held accountable, but I still say the request was not out of line, nor was giving it to them in a private location. I'm not sure why the Official was fired, but probably just to satisfy the public outcry.

In my opinion, someone manipulated the system. The flames should have not have been eligible for the vaccine and yet they were trying to get ahead of the high risk people.

11/5/09

JrCanuckFan

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cttbs wrote:

Not before health care workers....

No at the same time. Both come into contact with the same number of people. It is equally important to try to stop the spread of the flu (a la Flames travelling) as it is to stop the spread in the hospitals and clinics. Look, I doubt we will agree on this, I think the Flames did everything they were supposed to, and were right to receive the vaccine, while you don't seem to, so why don't we just agree to disagree. I've had the flu, I know what it's like and how it has affected me. I stayed home so as not to spread it further. I guess I just don't understand the panic.

11/5/09

cttbs

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JrCanuckFan wrote:

No at the same time. Both come into contact with the same number of people. It is equally important to try to stop the spread of the flu (a la Flames travelling) as it is to stop the spread in the hospitals and clinics. Look, I doubt we will agree on this, I think the Flames did everything they were supposed to, and were right to receive the vaccine, while you don't seem to, so why don't we just agree to disagree. I've had the flu, I know what it's like and how it has affected me. I stayed home so as not to spread it further. I guess I just don't understand the panic.

Lets agree to disagree then

I do think that Health care providers should have received it before anyone else. If they get sick, who do you think will look after us?

I do applaud you for staying home so that you would not spread it further. I hope you are feeling better!

I just look at the system as flawed. The people that were suppose to get the vaccine first were, children under six, pregnant women and people with immune deficiency's. It took money,power or whatever to manipulate the system for them to get ahead of these people. It was not just the Flames either....

11/5/09

JrCanuckFan

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cttbs wrote:

Lets agree to disagree then

I do think that Health care providers should have received it before anyone else. If they get sick, who do you think will look after us?

I do applaud you for staying home so that you would not spread it further. I hope you are feeling better!

I just look at the system as flawed. The people that were suppose to get the vaccine first were, children under six, pregnant women and people with immune deficiency's. It took money,power or whatever to manipulate the system for them to get ahead of these people. It was not just the Flames either....

My daughter and I both have chronic asthma and should have been among the first to get the vaccine. Unfortunately, we got the flu first. Luckily, we did exactly what we were told to do, stayed home, forced fluids and took medication for the fever. As I said above, I think the seriousness of the disease has been blown out of proportion. Common sense goes a long way to those who have been sick getting back on their feet.
And yes, we are both much better now, mostly back to normal, thanks for asking

11/5/09

mk_donley

0	Flames players recieving H1N1 vaccines before the general public? I dont see anything wrong with it. Why raise an outcry over nothing?