Hey dickhead, you aren't even one of the top 25 players in the league. Shut up and get your career QB rating over 80 and then we'll talk.

Sincerely,

NY Giants

No way he deserves more than his brother, who makes $14 million a year.  I expect the Giants to get something done, but this guy (as previously touched on) isn't even one of the top 10 QB's in the league.  If it weren't for the screwed up rookie contract "system," he wouldn't even make what he is making now, which he also doesn't deserve.  Sure the guy has a ring, but  he needs to piece together some sort of consistency before his head gets any bigger (if that is at all possible).

 I'll pay you uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................... 20 cents I think thats better!

"Eli - don't shoot yourself in the leg by asking for too much money"
- Plax

He had a lot of talent around him when the Giants won the Super Bowl.  Put him on a average team and he would be just a touch above average.

only cause you got "hot" two years ago to win that ring doesn't mean your worth that money. your garbage

Okay, Eli...keep waiting on that...

Someone give this guy a urinalysis--he's obviously hallucinating.

Eli's a good, solid quarterback, one that is a part of an even better team.  Put him on an average team and watch his performance plummet.

Make more $$$$$ than me and I'll give you a noogie!

Sincerely
Peyton Manning

ROFL....I should have read the thread before responding to the thread.  I could have saved myself some time by simply saying: I agree with Heyhey1970.

Secretly, he's an Eagles fan.

are you kidding me i guess the giants will need to pick up a new quarterback.  someone should tell that retard the team has carried him it is not the other way a round.  he could not be a backbone for a jellyfish.

Anyone who would ever measure a quarterback by his 'QB rating' deserves to overpay for the privilege. 

signed,

any football fan with half a brain

It's actually a better measure than you give it credit for. And when a QB has been a starter for 4 years and has a career rating of 76.1, there's no way in hell he's THAT good of a QB. It's just not possible.

If you disagree, feel free to name another good/very good QB who fits that description. They simply don't exist.

If he gets $20 million per year then he must be forced to change his name to Enron Manning.

Eli Manning needs to wake up from his childish dream. If a team were to pay him that kind of money, he should be cleaning toilets, making beds and shining shoes...This guy is a nutcase. Tell him to go back to high school and pick another dream that might come true....Dork!

I think ALL football players need to take cuts in their pay if they want to show us that they are worth it because they are suppose to be examples for us and our kids.  If they take all that outrageous money they receive and put it back into their communities and help people who really need help, then maybe I would feel differently.

I remember when Nolan Ryan became the first million dollar player-why don't eli and peyton ask archie how much money he made per year-certainly not 14 million Peyton.Is it ANY wonder why families have been priced out of going to Nfl games( a LONGGG time ago)...and the price of attending a game has gone up(for the MOST part) each year?People are losing their job, life savings, wondering how they are going to pay bills and some pasty faced SPOLED boy is wanting to get 20 million.!! Is this insane or what?Eli ever notice ALL the homeless people walking the streets,people eating from value meals, colelcting cans on the side of the road-You should THANK GOD EVERY day...for what you have been given!!!!

QB rating is way to convoluted a number to be the only measure you use - or mention in an article.  Eli is what he is: a pretty good game manager who has responded well to pressure.  Does he deserve $20 million?  F**k no - but his QB rating is certainly not the reason, his brutal inconsistency is.

Believe it or not, his brutal inconsistency is reflected rather well in his QB rating. That's why it's so low, even though he's actually a decent QB in fantasy football, for example.

And don't confuse "convoluted" with "confusing". I don't think anyone is using it as the ONLY measure for any QB, but IF I were to pick something to use exclusively, it would definitely be QB rating. Without a doubt.

you can't even be a leader in the huddle being intimadated by players"shockey" only has 1 ring. isn't consistent in throwing, not mobile. team leader he's not, everything else is probably just as low as his QB rating.

Except his ego....

hey eli,repeat after me,"is that whopper with cheese and no pickles" 'cause that's ur next job. ur nothin' more than a back-up

Watching the Giants play is always interesting with Eli as QB - they couldn't of won the SB without him! I think I should get paid $20 mil for working at my job too - why shouldn't Eli!!

Maybe he needs to go have a chat with Roethlisberger about that.

That kind of QB rating says you are (theoretically) average, inconsistency can't really be measured, it has to be experienced.  Watching Eli in the Super Bowl was magnificent; watching him last year in the playoffs against the Eagles was excruciating.

And I understand the formula for QB rating quite fine, but when it comes down to it, it just throws everything into the blender and spits out a number.  It has no base level (other than the infamous 39.6) and the top goes to 158.3 - it makes system 12 seem like a a rational idea - plus compares contridictary notions like TD percentage and pass completion percentage and doesn't weigh them properly.  It is just an inefficient number.  Useful at times as a shorthand, but it should never be used as an important statistic.

I think it's the single best QB statistic in existence. If you take a guy's performance based on QB rating, and then you look at what you see on the field, then you generally end up with similar pictures.

Before last season, Eli Manning had almost identical stats to Rex Grossman. Sorry, Eli, but one good season and a Super Bowl season that you were a passenger for 75% of the time doesn't get you $20 mil/season.

in the top 25 for all time QB rating:

Jeff Garcia, Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Brian Griese, Neil Lomax, Aaron Brooks (Arron Brooks?!?!?!?!?), Neil O'Donnell

not in the top 25:

John Elway, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, Dan Fouts, Johnny Unitas, Y.A. Tittle, Sammy Baugh

I stand by my statement.  If you want to defend that the first seven are far superior quarterbacks to the last seven, be my guest.  Your move, sir.

Me-li wants what...? You gotta be kidding! How does it feel to want Meli. I'd settle for 2 or 3 million myself, but based on what. Send him up to Buffalo with Me-o (TO) Owens and see just how much value those two clowns bring to the table! Maybe the can send Ocho Stinko, I mean Cinco (No offense meant Bills, Bengals and Giants fans but you will see for yourself in a year or two what SF, Philly and Dallas already found out about Me Me Me-O!) What's all this bitch'n about.

Look people you can have your QB ratings your other NFL Ratings only thing that Matters is a Superbowl he has one and look there are a lot of players in NY that's making more then that a year and has not won a thing Arod, CC, Tex, Santana few other players he won Giants can afford it give him the money he earned it and I bet he will win another Superbowl before his older brother who is also . Eli is the Giants version of Derek Jeters. Jeter isn't the best anything but he is a Champion enough said

Wow!!! if the ring is all that matters, Trent Dilfer for the Hall of Fame!!!

Pro's play sports to become champions thats all that matters in sports other stuff doesnt mean anything, Arod would give up his MVPs and everything for a ring so will Johan Santana or any other players who won MVPs and other stuff one stat that really matters in Sports look at Kobe he didn't care if he won or didn't win an MVP he has a Ring stats are only good when your retired other then that when your playing only two stats matter win loses and winning rings if Eli has a One QB rating if he wins the super bowl that all that matters

"Pro's play sports to become champions[.]  [T]tha's all that matters in sports and other stuff doesn[']t mean anything."

Great!!!  By that logic, Eli should have no problem with his contract.  Write Eli and express your wise perspective.  When he stops laughing and writes you back to tell you the ring is nice, but it's the money that's more important to him then you can either acknowledge it as a 'wake-up call' or rationalize some more.

He in a New York Market and he is the top QB in NY look what CC gets paid Santana gets paid Arod gets paid he has a ring they don't Giants can pay him 20 Million dollers 4 players in NY will still get paid more then him that didn't win anything he would be on the same pay level as Jeter he makes 20 mill he has a ring he should get paid Jeter Money and Eli will win another Super Bowl pay him

You keep mentioning baseball players.  The NFL has a salary cap.  As of March 10th, the Giants were only $9.9 million under the salary cap.  That's a statistic that was established before the free agency period, before signing new draft picks, etc.  So, in order to give Eli $20 million, which players should they cut, The offensive linemen that protect him, the running backs that make opposing defenses play honest so they don't blitz all the time, or perhaps the some of the defensive players?

More than any other sport, football is a TEAM sport.  With 22 starting players, plus specialty positions, the complete nature of the game requires a certain element of balance.  A great quarterback without the quality players around to help him win will not win a Super Bowl--and Eli IMHO isn't even a great quarterback, only a good one.

He will get his money lol your a viking fan watch how much Brett will be paid that stupid getting an over the hill qb as for Eli he isn't the worst QB in football and he does have a Super Bowl and will most likly have another one lol but its all good

LOL.....yea, OK.

Every statistic in the world has its anomalies. And I could make a case that quite a few of the QB's that you mentioned in the second group are very overrated.

Also, keep in mind that QB rating is also known as "passer rating". So it doesn't reflect the versatility of someone like Elway or Moon.

And once again, I will go back to the original statement that prompted this and safely say that there has never been a QB on the face of the planet with a rating under 80 who deserved to be the highest paid QB in the league.

Whether or not you believe in QB rating, that last statement is undeniable.

Dear Inbred I wanna be Brad Pitt but for some reasons Im not and for some reasons ur not the best at your position let alone be the best and highest player in the NFL. Just cause you are a Super Bowl Champion quarterback doesnt mean your the greatest or even close to it. Just be happy with the money your making playing a game you love that some people would  give a right one up just to be there. So you should be happy that you dont have to say do you want  fries with that or working at the local Piggly Wiggly stocking shelves for minimium wage

We are both in complete agreement that Eli asking for $20 million is ludicrous with a capital 'lewd'.

But back to the matter at hand, sure, every statistic has it's anomalies, but I pointed out not one, but seven players in the top 25 and then seven more men, and I would like to hear any argument you got for any of the first seven against any of the second seven.  I'm not talking about overrated or not, I am just saying why would you want one of these men as your QB (Jeff Garcia, Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Brian Griese, Neil Lomax, Aaron Brooks, Neil O'Donnell) rather than one of these men (John Elway, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, Dan Fouts, Johnny Unitas, Y.A. Tittle, Sammy Baugh).  If you can do that in any sort of coherent manner, I will have you nominated for the supreme court.  The point is you can't but if all you did is go blindly by QB (or passer) rating, you would think those seven guys were better than those seven guys - which is why the statistic fails so fantastically.

I probably should wait for you to provide more accurate numbers before I try to refute them, but whatever.

For the record, Jeff Garcia and Trent Green are indeed among the top 25 in career passer rating. However, your other examples are not. Brad Johnson (t33), Brian Griese (t29), Neil Lomax (t29), Aaron Brooks (t59), Neil O'Donnell (t35) are indeed not in the top 25. Some are, in fact, not even close.

But if you want some reasoning for why these guys have such average QB ratings, here they are...
Elway - from 1983-1992, he was statistically mediocre. Look it up.
Fouts - he threw a crapload of INT's
Aikman - one of the most overrated QB's of all time, averaged 14 TD's, 12 INT's and less than 3000 yards per year for his career.
Moon - also threw a ton of interceptions, and spent many of his best years in the CFL.
Tittle, Baugh - played in a different era, where the passing game was much different than it is now. Both finished their career with more INT than TD, and averaged less than 2000 yards per year.
Unitas - Also threw a ton of INT's, and the last 8 years of his career were pretty bad.

Jeff Garcia and Trent Green, on the other hand, put up some monster years, even if they're over the hill now. Garcia barely throws any INT's, and some of his years in San Fran were just plain ridiculous. And I'm not sure if you forgot, but n his prime, Green's Chiefs were an offensive juggernaut.

O'Donnell threw very few INT's, Lomax had solid numbers, just for a short period of time. Griese was only a primary starter for 5 seasons, and combined for 91 TD and 64 INT over that period. Aaron Brooks only played in 7 seasons, and was actually pretty decent in 4 of the 5 seasons in which he was actually a starter.

I'm not saying that these 7 should be in the Hall of Fame. But QB rating definitely makes a lot more sense than you want to believe.

that's right but not right it all depends on other stats to like running yards and receivers they had at the time.
it also depends on the whether what if someone played in San Deigo while one played in NY there are totally different whether things, but, I'm not saying your wrong.

 He sux compared to other players!!! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ELI!!!

maybe they should get paid equal to how they played.... we might even get some really good games that way!