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11/13/09
Fran Tarkenton says that he questions whether or not Jay Cutler can play
Now, Fran Tarkenton is questioning whether or not Jay Cutler can play. Maybe whining his way out of Denver wasn't such a good idea.
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For some reason, I feel like if Jay Cutler had never left the Broncos, he would be slinging it all over the place to guys like Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal, and things would actually be going pretty well for him. The Broncos might still be 6-2, and Cutler wouldn't have to worry about being on a team with barely any offensive talent, and no first round draft picks for the next decade or so.

But now, the spotlight is on him, and that seems to be the exact opposite of what he needs to thrive. After his 5-INT performance against the 49ers, Cutler has taken a commanding lead in the interception race, and Hall of Famer Fran Tarkenton is publicly questioning whether or not Cuter is a good QB.

"I really question whether he can play. Quarterbacks need to make their team better. If it's a bad team, they can even make a bad team better. Somebody may say well, even Peyton Manning couldn't help the Bears. Yes, he could. Tom Brady could, too. They might not win the championship or get to the playoffs, but they would make that team better. Those wide receivers who are struggling would be better because they would make them better."

Cutler is undeniably a physically talented player, and has one of the strongest arms in the league. But then again, the same could be said of JaMarcus Russell. At some point, Cutler needs to step up and lead this Bears team... and I'm just not convinced that he's that kind of person.
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11/13/09
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kantwistaye wrote:
Didn't Fran also say that Favre to the Vikings would be a disaster?  Great players aren't always great evaluators of talent or teams.

I remember that.  He was all over the place calling out Favre.  People are right to question Cutler's decision making.  I hope it's not a long-term problem.  Oh yeah, and Fran, congrats on all of those Super Bowl performances.  Oops. 

11/13/09
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I don't exactly think it's Cutler that's the problem. It's his recievers. Even with Devin Hester, he still doesn't have a number one guy and the chemistry between all of them is just scrambled up.

11/13/09
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Didn't Fran also say that Favre to the Vikings would be a disaster?  Great players aren't always great evaluators of talent or teams.

11/13/09
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i agree with you he needs to pull his team together the QB is the heart of the  team if he's not pumping properly then everyone is off they need to really sit down and go over there films Talk not yell and blame each other they need to pull together. if they do i think they'll get back on track and start winning ( this is just my opinion)

11/13/09
1
zhum24 wrote:
I don't exactly think it's Cutler that's the problem. It's his recievers. Even with Devin Hester, he still doesn't have a number one guy and the chemistry between all of them is just scrambled up.
yeah right. A good QB can make it work with them.

How is it the receivers fault he throws into heavy coverage? He was intercepted by a lineman in the red zone!

11/13/09
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All I can say is be careful what you wish for. He is a huge douche and I love the fact he is costing Chicago games. The #1 that Denver is going to get next season for the trade is looking better each week. Plus I agree with you he isnt a leader, wasnt in Denver and isnt in Chicago. Granted it doesnt help that bears Oline is crappy at best and when your #1 WR is Hester it is gonna be a long season.

11/13/09
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zhum24 wrote:
I don't exactly think it's Cutler that's the problem. It's his recievers. Even with Devin Hester, he still doesn't have a number one guy and the chemistry between all of them is just scrambled up.
Thanks for pointing that at out. That second sentence completely describes Peyton Manning. =)

11/13/09
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Peyton Manning would have slapped Devin Hester in public by now if he were on the Bears.

The problem for Cutler right now is that he has figured out that he has one weapon right now, Greg Olson. Now he is trying to get it to him in the red zone no matter how covered he is. We've all seen what Cutler can do with some people to throw to. Unfortunately, he's got one guy right now and he's a tight end.

11/13/09
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Cutler may be a good QB, but he's no Jim McMahon. Just sayin'

11/13/09
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kantwistaye wrote:
Didn't Fran also say that Favre to the Vikings would be a disaster?  Great players aren't always great evaluators of talent or teams.

I remember that.  He was all over the place calling out Favre.  People are right to question Cutler's decision making.  I hope it's not a long-term problem.  Oh yeah, and Fran, congrats on all of those Super Bowl performances.  Oops. 

11/13/09
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Heyhey1970 wrote:

I remember that.  He was all over the place calling out Favre.  People are right to question Cutler's decision making.  I hope it's not a long-term problem.  Oh yeah, and Fran, congrats on all of those Super Bowl performances.  Oops. 

Any shots at Vikings futility result in automatic respects from me.

11/13/09
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when was cutler good?

11/14/09
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taker wrote:
when was cutler good?
I really wish they had incorporated the "dumb button" for Season 2 like I'd asked for.

11/14/09
1
IlliniBob72 wrote:
I really wish they had incorporated the "dumb button" for Season 2 like I'd asked for.
4 me?

11/14/09
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kantwistaye wrote:
Didn't Fran also say that Favre to the Vikings would be a disaster?  Great players aren't always great evaluators of talent or teams.
It is unfair to talk about Cutler and/or Fran in same breath with the great Brett Farve.  There is no comparison.  While I think this article is absolutely correct, Cutler had the ideal situation in Denver for the type of QB he is.  Now, he has to elevate his game.  In otherwords, now he has to earn stardom, like every other truly great QB has.  He won't!  He's not made like that.  Again, the Bears could really make a franchise move if they somehow acquired M. Vick.  Won't he be a free agent next year?  He is still young enough to win a few. 

11/14/09
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solomonrichardson96 wrote:
It is unfair to talk about Cutler and/or Fran in same breath with the great Brett Farve.  There is no comparison.  While I think this article is absolutely correct, Cutler had the ideal situation in Denver for the type of QB he is.  Now, he has to elevate his game.  In otherwords, now he has to earn stardom, like every other truly great QB has.  He won't!  He's not made like that.  Again, the Bears could really make a franchise move if they somehow acquired M. Vick.  Won't he be a free agent next year?  He is still young enough to win a few. 
Cutler needs to pull it together, but Michael Vick is not a franchise quarterback.

11/14/09
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Forget  "don't call me Francis" Tarkenton!   Devin Hester needs to go back to returning kicks ONLY.  He is a below average receiver who is still developing and is realistically still a few years away to become legit.  Earl Bennett has nice hands but is more of a possession guy.  Johnny Knox is fast but still learning and needs to hit the gym.  Where is the Aromashoudo?  He had a hell of a camp and is back from a minor injury.  He and Cutler had some nice chemistry/   Cutler needs help. Who's to say Brady or Manning would be safe behind that Offensive line?  Cutler also needs a running game.  Ron Turner was decent in the 90's but needs to be replaced.  I'm going to say Lovie Smith needs to be replaced as well.

11/14/09
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danny_n94 wrote:
All I can say is be careful what you wish for. He is a huge douche and I love the fact he is costing Chicago games. The #1 that Denver is going to get next season for the trade is looking better each week. Plus I agree with you he isnt a leader, wasnt in Denver and isnt in Chicago. Granted it doesnt help that bears Oline is crappy at best and when your #1 WR is Hester it is gonna be a long season.
You said it well once again Danny, but I swear, I still believe you and me must have been the only two people in Denver who thought that trade was smart when it happened. Yet everyone STILL says "well, Broncos would have been better with Cutler, Cutler would be better in Denver"... what the ____ leads one to believe that? Until the Steelers game, Kyle Orton had thrown one interception. ONE, in seven games, and it was caught by Randy Moss on a Hail Mary. Then people will in the same breath talk about how anemic the Denver offense is, yet turn around and say how Cutler would have so many weapons if he were still the Broncos QB. That doesn't add up, folks...

11/14/09
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jasonwrites wrote:
You said it well once again Danny, but I swear, I still believe you and me must have been the only two people in Denver who thought that trade was smart when it happened. Yet everyone STILL says "well, Broncos would have been better with Cutler, Cutler would be better in Denver"... what the ____ leads one to believe that? Until the Steelers game, Kyle Orton had thrown one interception. ONE, in seven games, and it was caught by Randy Moss on a Hail Mary. Then people will in the same breath talk about how anemic the Denver offense is, yet turn around and say how Cutler would have so many weapons if he were still the Broncos QB. That doesn't add up, folks...
Don't you see? You said it yourself. The Broncos offense is anemic...yet Cutler would have so many more weapons if he were still there...DING DING DING...The Broncos offense is anemic because of Kyle Orton!

I had to laugh watching the pregame shows before the Steelers-Broncos game. The Broncos were 6-1 and yet I heard the phrase "The Broncos can make the playoffs if...". I had never heard of a 6-1 team talked about that way before! Everyone knows it...Kyle Orton will be a passenger on that team. They will win as long as he doesn't eff it up. As soon as you need him to step up and win a game for you, you will see what you saw last Sunday...three offensive points.

11/14/09
1
IlliniBob72 wrote:
Don't you see? You said it yourself. The Broncos offense is anemic...yet Cutler would have so many more weapons if he were still there...DING DING DING...The Broncos offense is anemic because of Kyle Orton!

I had to laugh watching the pregame shows before the Steelers-Broncos game. The Broncos were 6-1 and yet I heard the phrase "The Broncos can make the playoffs if...". I had never heard of a 6-1 team talked about that way before! Everyone knows it...Kyle Orton will be a passenger on that team. They will win as long as he doesn't eff it up. As soon as you need him to step up and win a game for you, you will see what you saw last Sunday...three offensive points.
I kind of figured that would be the response, and I'm not going to say there's not some validity to it. I seem to find myself defending Orton a lot. There's a lot to be said for playing it safe most of the time. There's a reason Brett Favre only won one Super Bowl. There's a reason that Cutler was only 17-20 as a starter in Denver-- and it's not all the defense. Meanwhile Orton was well above .500 in Chicago, and apart from some injuries, the team is not radically different now. Furthermore, even after Monday's loss, he's 18-3 in his career in home games. Who cares how he does it, he wins. Like Mike Allstot back in his Tampa Bay days, all he did was score touchdowns. Well sign that guy up for my team! When you need Cutler to step up and win a game for you, you will see what you saw on Thursday-- five interceptions. I've said it before here-- all the physical tools in the world don't alone make a quarterback great. If that were the case, we'd speak of Jeff George like Joe Montana and Michael Vick would have had at least as notable career as the QB he's currently backing up, Donovan McNabb.

11/14/09
0
IlliniBob72 wrote:
Don't you see? You said it yourself. The Broncos offense is anemic...yet Cutler would have so many more weapons if he were still there...DING DING DING...The Broncos offense is anemic because of Kyle Orton!

I had to laugh watching the pregame shows before the Steelers-Broncos game. The Broncos were 6-1 and yet I heard the phrase "The Broncos can make the playoffs if...". I had never heard of a 6-1 team talked about that way before! Everyone knows it...Kyle Orton will be a passenger on that team. They will win as long as he doesn't eff it up. As soon as you need him to step up and win a game for you, you will see what you saw last Sunday...three offensive points.
Furthermore, Favre (the veteran QB who I liken most to Cutler-- except he clearly has more leadership ability that Jay likely ever will) has exactly as many Super Bowl wins as: Trent Dilfer. Kyle Boller. The list goes on. Now someone will inevitably pull the Dan Marino card into this, as a point of saying that winning Super Bowls alone is not the sole qualifier of a great quarterback. But the point is that good teams with superior defenses and a balanced offense can win with pedestrian QBs.

11/14/09
0
solomonrichardson96 wrote:
It is unfair to talk about Cutler and/or Fran in same breath with the great Brett Farve.  There is no comparison.  While I think this article is absolutely correct, Cutler had the ideal situation in Denver for the type of QB he is.  Now, he has to elevate his game.  In otherwords, now he has to earn stardom, like every other truly great QB has.  He won't!  He's not made like that.  Again, the Bears could really make a franchise move if they somehow acquired M. Vick.  Won't he be a free agent next year?  He is still young enough to win a few. 
And, why would Vick not be a franchise QB? Other than the dog situation, what stats say Mike is not a franchise QB?

11/14/09
0
solomonrichardson96 wrote:
It is unfair to talk about Cutler and/or Fran in same breath with the great Brett Farve.  There is no comparison.  While I think this article is absolutely correct, Cutler had the ideal situation in Denver for the type of QB he is.  Now, he has to elevate his game.  In otherwords, now he has to earn stardom, like every other truly great QB has.  He won't!  He's not made like that.  Again, the Bears could really make a franchise move if they somehow acquired M. Vick.  Won't he be a free agent next year?  He is still young enough to win a few. 
Because of his speed and scrambling ability to make plays, he would be excellent for the mediocre offense of the Bears. One or more may just develop under Vick. Cutler is going to get killed back there.

11/14/09
1
solomonrichardson96 wrote:
And, why would Vick not be a franchise QB? Other than the dog situation, what stats say Mike is not a franchise QB?
Well... mostly because he was never that good anyway, and then he took 2 years off in the prime of his career. He's not an accurate passer, he has poor field vision, and he makes poor decisions. He never was a franchise QB, but he was thrust into that role by a team that was horribly mismanaged. Look what happened when they brought in a REAL franchise QB in Matt Ryan.

Vick is a very athletic guy, but he's not a good QB. He never has been, and he never will be. It's that simple.

11/15/09
0
solomonrichardson96 wrote:
And, why would Vick not be a franchise QB? Other than the dog situation, what stats say Mike is not a franchise QB?
Well, I don't have a logical argument against what you say. However, Vick's heart and atheleticism will take him a lot farther than Cutler's skills, if they are in fact better.

11/15/09
0
It seems like the Bears QB position is cursed.   They haven't had a good QB for so long, the Bears have become desperate.  The WR position is the same as the QB.  Whoever cursed the Bear's passing game needs to cut it out.

11/16/09
0
jasonwrites wrote:
You said it well once again Danny, but I swear, I still believe you and me must have been the only two people in Denver who thought that trade was smart when it happened. Yet everyone STILL says "well, Broncos would have been better with Cutler, Cutler would be better in Denver"... what the ____ leads one to believe that? Until the Steelers game, Kyle Orton had thrown one interception. ONE, in seven games, and it was caught by Randy Moss on a Hail Mary. Then people will in the same breath talk about how anemic the Denver offense is, yet turn around and say how Cutler would have so many weapons if he were still the Broncos QB. That doesn't add up, folks...
I agree 100%. Plus at the end of last season all the "experts" were saying is Cutler a franchise QB? He was a reason Denver lost their last 3 games. Then McD comes in, and he and JC have their spat Curtler is traded and all of a sudden Cutler is the 2nd coming. Well Denver is 6-3 and Chicago is crap. Plus look at how valuable Orton is? The "anemic" Denver was offense was crap with Simms at QB. Woody Paige got his wish and see how bad it turned out. There are reasons that back up QB are not starters. Plus I would rather have Orton over Cutler any day. Orton has a bad game he admits to it, cutler does and he blames everyone but himself. (RE: game at SF)

11/16/09
0
IlliniBob72 wrote:
Don't you see? You said it yourself. The Broncos offense is anemic...yet Cutler would have so many more weapons if he were still there...DING DING DING...The Broncos offense is anemic because of Kyle Orton!

I had to laugh watching the pregame shows before the Steelers-Broncos game. The Broncos were 6-1 and yet I heard the phrase "The Broncos can make the playoffs if...". I had never heard of a 6-1 team talked about that way before! Everyone knows it...Kyle Orton will be a passenger on that team. They will win as long as he doesn't eff it up. As soon as you need him to step up and win a game for you, you will see what you saw last Sunday...three offensive points.
Phillip Rivers and company predicts a hostile take-over in the west. Here we go again....

11/17/09
0
Mike Shannahan kept Cutler way to long, and lost his job.  Lovey is next in line if he keeps Cutler in the starting position.  This is about professional sports here and the NFL stands for "Not For Long"  if you keep this type of play up.  Bench Cutler next week then bring him off the bench maybe.  But do not put all your eggs in one basket.  Chicgao can also have that lousy QB back from the Broncos to that worthless piece of ****!!!
Come On Man must be the phrase around Shy town these days.  Listen and listen good go get yourself a real franchise QB.

11/19/09
0
Give Cutler a little bit of time to get used to the system and the Bears young WR's. Some time to pass the ball would always help as well. Cutler reminds me of a young Brett Favre. He's not scared to throw the ball up and let the WR make a play. It's just to bad the Bears don't have any big targets accept for Greg Olsen. Hopefully they will fix this in the offseason.

 
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