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#2 | 98 days ago

+6 thumbs upI'm not a diehard NASCAR fan, but I can say from what I have seen that FOX's coverage of any of the NASCAR races is a hell of a lot better than the ABC coverage of the Indy 500.  Better HD, better commentators (DW and the guys are hilarious), better interviews.

And let's face it, the drivers have better personalities, or at least personalities more likely to click with the typical American viewer.  Douche bags like Dan Wheldon with his popped collar are bound to come off as snooty and drive away most non-Europeans.
  
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#1 | 98 days ago

+3 thumbs upRepeats mantra: "The comeback will be slow, the comeback will be slow, the comeback will be slow..."
#2 | 98 days ago

+6 thumbs upI'm not a diehard NASCAR fan, but I can say from what I have seen that FOX's coverage of any of the NASCAR races is a hell of a lot better than the ABC coverage of the Indy 500.  Better HD, better commentators (DW and the guys are hilarious), better interviews.

And let's face it, the drivers have better personalities, or at least personalities more likely to click with the typical American viewer.  Douche bags like Dan Wheldon with his popped collar are bound to come off as snooty and drive away most non-Europeans.
#3 | 98 days ago

(Edited 06/01/08 7:39PM by gearhead)
RenegadeLG wrote:
I'm not a diehard NASCAR fan, but I can say from what I have seen that FOX's coverage of any of the NASCAR races is a hell of a lot better than the ABC coverage of the Indy 500.  Better HD, better commentators (DW and the guys are hilarious), better interviews.

And let's face it, the drivers have better personalities, or at least personalities more likely to click with the typical American viewer.  Douche bags like Dan Wheldon with his popped collar are bound to come off as snooty and drive away most non-Europeans.
+4 thumbs upABC's coverage is quite terrible, mostly because it's all Danica, all the time, and the other drivers don't get any time for their personalities to come out. Most of them have good personalities, and aren't douchy.

BTW (this is to 100%), the 600 is the second or third biggest race on the NASCAR schedule, and they have the advantage of primetime. It's not "an average" race unless you believe NASCAR's predatory propaganda.
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#5 | 98 days ago

+3 thumbs upFunny I said what I said about ABC's coverage, because their coverage of today's race was surprisingly good. Danica wasn't shown nearly as much (granted, she wasn't all that competitive), most of the field got some time on screen, and they showed the battles going on downfield. If only all of their races were covered that way.
#6 | 98 days ago

+5 thumbs upGuess what, an average NASCAR fan can't spell Indianapolis.
#7 | 97 days ago

gearhead wrote:
Funny I said what I said about ABC's coverage, because their coverage of today's race was surprisingly good. Danica wasn't shown nearly as much (granted, she wasn't all that competitive), most of the field got some time on screen, and they showed the battles going on downfield. If only all of their races were covered that way.
+3 thumbs up

Their is still nothing too exciting at all even when they have a good race. When you compare ABC's coverage of Nascar and ABC's coverage of Indy you can notice its not all ABC's fault that they don't succeed well with Indy. Because their coverage of Nascar isn't nearly as bad. So, its pretty obvious that the Indy series is just hurting bad and their lucky they have someone like Danica Patrick for any media coverage. Before Danica I forgot Indy existed sometimes now that she is in Indy I might actually pay attention to who wins here or there. The Brickyard 400 that Nascar does at Indianapolis has out done the Indianapolis 500 a few times so its clearly obvious that Nascar>Indy.

#8 | 97 days ago

cowboysfan555 wrote:

Their is still nothing too exciting at all even when they have a good race. When you compare ABC's coverage of Nascar and ABC's coverage of Indy you can notice its not all ABC's fault that they don't succeed well with Indy. Because their coverage of Nascar isn't nearly as bad. So, its pretty obvious that the Indy series is just hurting bad and their lucky they have someone like Danica Patrick for any media coverage. Before Danica I forgot Indy existed sometimes now that she is in Indy I might actually pay attention to who wins here or there. The Brickyard 400 that Nascar does at Indianapolis has out done the Indianapolis 500 a few times so its clearly obvious that Nascar>Indy.

+3 thumbs upYou obviously didn't watch yesterday's race. For most of the race, almost every position (admittedly not the lead) was in doubt, with at least two cars battling. By the end, it was a two car duel for the win, followed by a spectacular crash right in front of the leaders to end it.

IndyCar is not "hurting bad" anymore. Ratings are up, attendance is up, interest is (slightly) up. It's not happening fast, but it's not going to, and everybody knows that. Competing in NASCAR is not in the cards right now, which is why IndyCar people don't make these comparisons. NASCAR people do, and it makes no sense, because they don't have to.
#9 | 97 days ago

Scott Senay wrote:
Guess what, an average NASCAR fan can't spell Indianapolis.
+3 thumbs upThats why it is INDY!! 

Even if I could spell that, sure would not have a clue how to spell Most of the DRIVERS, so what is the sense?

Pick on good people all you want, under different circumstances you could have been the one with no learning!!

Nascar fans are the greatest group of sports fans I have ever seen!  
All you have to do is ask one!  LOL
#10 | 97 days ago

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Luke4HMS wrote:
Thats why it is INDY!! 

Even if I could spell that, sure would not have a clue how to spell Most of the DRIVERS, so what is the sense?

Pick on good people all you want, under different circumstances you could have been the one with no learning!!

Nascar fans are the greatest group of sports fans I have ever seen!  
All you have to do is ask one!  LOL
+3 thumbs upI don't know why I'm bothering, but this is the 2008 drivers list. By my count, English is the first language of all but 12 of them, and of those 12, only 2 (Helio and Kanaan) are interviewed on any regular basis. Both of them have been in the US long enough that their English is fine and easy to understand. Also, with some exceptions, those names aren't that tough to spell.

The "open wheel has too many foreign drivers" argument is stupid, stupid, stupid. I hate it. Always will.
#11 | 97 days ago

gearhead wrote:
I don't know why I'm bothering, but this is the 2008 drivers list. By my count, English is the first language of all but 12 of them, and of those 12, only 2 (Helio and Kanaan) are interviewed on any regular basis. Both of them have been in the US long enough that their English is fine and easy to understand. Also, with some exceptions, those names aren't that tough to spell.

The "open wheel has too many foreign drivers" argument is stupid, stupid, stupid. I hate it. Always will.
+3 thumbs upI'm still sick of all these furniers taking seats from good American drivers.
Wait, A.J. Foyt still has more grandkids?  Nevermind.
#12 | 97 days ago

gearhead wrote:
I don't know why I'm bothering, but this is the 2008 drivers list. By my count, English is the first language of all but 12 of them, and of those 12, only 2 (Helio and Kanaan) are interviewed on any regular basis. Both of them have been in the US long enough that their English is fine and easy to understand. Also, with some exceptions, those names aren't that tough to spell.

The "open wheel has too many foreign drivers" argument is stupid, stupid, stupid. I hate it. Always will.
+1 thumbs up

OK, maybe I stuck my neck out a little there!!

I dont get into indy too much, watch it now and then but just can not get into it.

I love the racing part, but it just dont have enough ATTITUDE, or something, hell I cant even tell what it is missing but SOMETHING is missing!   Maybe it just has TOO many top runners, or maybe it just dont have enough REDNECKS?

LOL

Sorry if I came off wrong, just my opinion, and I respect yours, thanks for pointing out my error.

 

#13 | 97 days ago

Luke4HMS wrote:

OK, maybe I stuck my neck out a little there!!

I dont get into indy too much, watch it now and then but just can not get into it.

I love the racing part, but it just dont have enough ATTITUDE, or something, hell I cant even tell what it is missing but SOMETHING is missing!   Maybe it just has TOO many top runners, or maybe it just dont have enough REDNECKS?

LOL

Sorry if I came off wrong, just my opinion, and I respect yours, thanks for pointing out my error.

 

+2 thumbs upIt's cool. I just really hate *that* reason. I understand different strokes for different folks, but *that* reason reeks of ethnocentrism, and thus my angst.
#14 | 97 days ago

+3 thumbs upSo, what had more nuts,,, A 1970 Canary Yellow, GTO Judge, with a 366HP 400cid Ram V-8 Manual Trans, versus a suped up lawn mower engine?! Sorry, I'm partial to stock. Granted, now adays, the word "stock" is used losely. The comparison, most certainly is not fair, but all the same. Then again, Danica is no Janet Guthrie. Just as  your "typical" NASCAR fan is no longer "typical" I'll still take the GTO on the 1/4 mile all engine..
#15 | 96 days ago

gearhead wrote:
You obviously didn't watch yesterday's race. For most of the race, almost every position (admittedly not the lead) was in doubt, with at least two cars battling. By the end, it was a two car duel for the win, followed by a spectacular crash right in front of the leaders to end it.

IndyCar is not "hurting bad" anymore. Ratings are up, attendance is up, interest is (slightly) up. It's not happening fast, but it's not going to, and everybody knows that. Competing in NASCAR is not in the cards right now, which is why IndyCar people don't make these comparisons. NASCAR people do, and it makes no sense, because they don't have to.
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That's cool that it was a two car race for the win. But whoopdy do. I see that in Nascar quite a few times a season. Just watch Daytona or Talladega if you want to see that. Its not just two cars there. Their are usually 20-30 cars on the lead lap on the final lap at these tracks all within 2 or so seconds of each other. It doesn't get anymore exciting then that. I was watching Dover on Sunday and within a few laps from the start their was a 15 car wreck that took out half of the top 12 in driver's points. 

 

I was watching the Indy 500 last week and I was amazed to hear Indy had warned a driver who was in 3rd place with about 20 laps to stop blocking. STOP BLOCKING!!! Was it a race or were they trying to make a movie or something? Don't tell a Nascar driver to stop blocking with a few laps to go. That won't work. That is a key element in racing. What a joke!

 

Their are a million facts to show that Nascar owns Indy an almost every category. I don't really need to name any of them but their are a couple of obvious reasons.

 

Their is ratings for one thing which is completely embarrasing for Indy. Their should be no reason your number one race of the year loses in ratings to any Nascar race besides the Daytona 500. I don't care if the Coca Cola 600 was a night race or if it was one of the popular races of the year, their should be no reason it beats it out on ratings.

 

Another common one is drivers switching from Indy to Nascar. Nascar has almost all of the big name drivers. And the last two Indianapolis 500 winners have made the switch to Nascar. Nascar is where its at. Ask a person walking down the street who has no knowledge of racing if they have heard of Scott Dixon or Dan Wheldon or Tony Kanaan they would probably say no but you ask have you heard of Tony Stewart or Jeff Gordon or Dale Earnhardt Jr. then they might just have a clue on what your talking about.

 

I'll make these comparisons all day if I feel like it. I know the tactic of I don't have much to back up my statement so I'm just going to tell him its silly to make comparisons. I probably would to if the facts weren't favoring my side.

#16 | 96 days ago

+2 thumbs upYou cite the four races (and two tracks) as exciting that I find utterly unwatchable because it's impossible for one car to pass another in those races.  40 cars within two seconds of each other sounds exciting, but is it really when it's two lines of follow the leader? 
As for the number of LL cars, the "Lucky Dog" rule has taken the legitimacy out of making up ground, IMO.
#17 | 96 days ago

cowboysfan555 wrote:

That's cool that it was a two car race for the win. But whoopdy do. I see that in Nascar quite a few times a season. Just watch Daytona or Talladega if you want to see that. Its not just two cars there. Their are usually 20-30 cars on the lead lap on the final lap at these tracks all within 2 or so seconds of each other. It doesn't get anymore exciting then that. I was watching Dover on Sunday and within a few laps from the start their was a 15 car wreck that took out half of the top 12 in driver's points. 

 

I was watching the Indy 500 last week and I was amazed to hear Indy had warned a driver who was in 3rd place with about 20 laps to stop blocking. STOP BLOCKING!!! Was it a race or were they trying to make a movie or something? Don't tell a Nascar driver to stop blocking with a few laps to go. That won't work. That is a key element in racing. What a joke!

 

Their are a million facts to show that Nascar owns Indy an almost every category. I don't really need to name any of them but their are a couple of obvious reasons.

 

Their is ratings for one thing which is completely embarrasing for Indy. Their should be no reason your number one race of the year loses in ratings to any Nascar race besides the Daytona 500. I don't care if the Coca Cola 600 was a night race or if it was one of the popular races of the year, their should be no reason it beats it out on ratings.

 

Another common one is drivers switching from Indy to Nascar. Nascar has almost all of the big name drivers. And the last two Indianapolis 500 winners have made the switch to Nascar. Nascar is where its at. Ask a person walking down the street who has no knowledge of racing if they have heard of Scott Dixon or Dan Wheldon or Tony Kanaan they would probably say no but you ask have you heard of Tony Stewart or Jeff Gordon or Dale Earnhardt Jr. then they might just have a clue on what your talking about.

 

I'll make these comparisons all day if I feel like it. I know the tactic of I don't have much to back up my statement so I'm just going to tell him its silly to make comparisons. I probably would to if the facts weren't favoring my side.

+3 thumbs upThis has nothing to do with which is "better," which is still dumb because the two are very different. I don't get the point of NASCAR fans attacking IndyCars like this, when you don't have to. Are you afraid of something? Just say you don't like it and move on.
#18 | 96 days ago

Bmeister wrote:
You cite the four races (and two tracks) as exciting that I find utterly unwatchable because it's impossible for one car to pass another in those races.  40 cars within two seconds of each other sounds exciting, but is it really when it's two lines of follow the leader? 
As for the number of LL cars, the "Lucky Dog" rule has taken the legitimacy out of making up ground, IMO.
+2 thumbs up

Notice how I mention the final lap. A lot of the race their are two lines with not as much passing. But when it starts coming down to the wire it gets crazy. And I never said 40 cars. Its usually 20-30 cars by the end of the race. I don't know what races you were watching where their were no passes at these tracks. Their are tons of quality green flag passes behind the leader almost the whole race. But if you want to talk about lead changes then I guess 42 lead changes at this year's Daytona wasn't good enough or the 52 lead changes at Talladega wasn't either.

 

Rarely does a car that got the Lucky Dog actually finish in the top 5 or top 10. Most of the time if they got lapped once then their going to get lapped again. So, you can argue that its not legitimate but in the end their still not competing anyways.

#19 | 96 days ago

+1 thumbs upI guess I should stop making comparisons because it is a little one-sided. I'll just shut up and stick to watching the form of racing most Americans watch.
#20 | 96 days ago

gearhead wrote:
This has nothing to do with which is "better," which is still dumb because the two are very different. I don't get the point of NASCAR fans attacking IndyCars like this, when you don't have to. Are you afraid of something? Just say you don't like it and move on.
I dont see it as Attacking, sorry if I came off that way!
I just wanted to state my feelings on Nascar compared to Indy, I have no probs with INDY fans, to each his own!
I have enjoyed the comparisons, and opinions, Some valid points by both sides!


I see Bmiesters point, there could be a lot more ACTION in the front, BUT STILL WAY MORE to it than Indy! IMO


Nascar has Attitude, more (Better) coverage, more american fans, I just flat out LOVE NASCAR!~
I havent missed a race in several years, and hope not to miss another!!
Thanks for ALL your points of view!!

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