FanIQ News: If LSU wins the SEC Championship, the SEC might not have a team in the BCS Championship game

6	Anthonyg7575 wrote: LSU has a VERY good chance to take out Alabama...playing Florida on neutral grounds for the SEC Championship, um...no. Why is that? They're playing Bama in Tuscaloosa, but possibly Florida on a neutral site. Do you think that Florida is THAT much better than Alabama right now? I know Florida already beat LSU once, but rematches can be havoc for either team.

11/3/09

Anthonyg7575

4	(Edited by Anthonyg7575) Face it, Alabama is not playing that good right now.... This is going to be a real test for them.

11/3/09

4	Anthonyg7575 wrote: Face it, Alabama is not playing that good right now.... This is going to be a real test for them. I agree. I'm scared to death about this game. But until Florida drummed a crappy Georgia team, they weren't playing any better than Bama. I heard the entire state of Florida let out a collective sigh of relief after the Georgia game.

11/3/09

Anthonyg7575

1	tpowell25 wrote: I agree. I'm scared to death about this game. But until Florida drummed a crappy Georgia team, they weren't playing any better than Bama. I heard the entire state of Florida let out a collective sigh of relief after the Georgia game. Me included....I was having some serious doubts about that game...

11/3/09

suedon70

6	I would LOVE to see a playoff. Ironically, the conferences that have taken advantage of the BCS system the most (SEC & Big 12) are the ones most behind having a playoff system in place. Blame should fall at the feet of the Pac10 and Big Ten, who don't want to give up their precious Rose Bowl and guaranteed $$$$$$ to do it.

11/3/09

suedon70

0	Anthonyg7575 wrote: Me included....I was having some serious doubts about that game... I wasn't worried that they'd lose to UGA, just that it would be by 7 points or less.....

11/3/09

Blackbelt_98

0	Florida and Alabama should already have a loss and a home one at that!

11/3/09

kentuckycolonel

1	i think if lsu could knock both florida and bama off, somehow they'd wind up in the national championship game.

11/3/09

Mr_Midas

0	much ado about nothing. will never happen. move on.

11/3/09

1	Blackbelt_98 wrote: Florida and Alabama should already have a loss and a home one at that! and if pigs had wings they would fly

11/3/09

1	kentuckycolonel wrote: i think if lsu could knock both florida and bama off, somehow they'd wind up in the national championship game. theyre you go thinking again !

11/3/09

1	Mr_Midas wrote: much ado about nothing. will never happen. move on. amen

11/3/09

2	and Im rooting for Enron to make a rebound..

11/3/09

1	At least LSU is beating their non-conference, non-ranked teams with no problem whle everybody tryin to put them down. Alabama only put up 12 against UNRANKED Tennessee and only won because of blocked field goals, maan they better bring it this week. Bama's not that great and Florida didn't exactly spank LSU either so that's not to say that Florida can't lose in a second meet...

11/3/09

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I'm rooting for the SEC to get shut out of the championship game, JUST because SEC fans are so cocky.

I'm not saying they aren't good teams, and I'm sure either Florida or Alabama will prove that they deserve to be there. BUT... you SEC yahoos need to realize that there ARE other teams in the country, and one of these days, the SEC's general unwillingness to play any difficult non-conference games will bite them in the ass. And by that, I mostly mean Florida. I realize that Alabama, Georgia and some other teams have given themselves a challenge, but Florida's non-con schedule is an absolute joke, and it's pathetic that they get rewarded for it.

11/3/09

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Luweezyana wrote:

At least LSU is beating their non-conference, non-ranked teams with no problem whle everybody tryin to put them down. Alabama only put up 12 against UNRANKED Tennessee and only won because of blocked field goals, maan they better bring it this week. Bama's not that great and Florida didn't exactly spank LSU either so that's not to say that Florida can't lose in a second meet...

before I offer you some cheese to go with your whine..beat Bama and get another crack at Gators..we need some new blood in Sec championship :=)

11/3/09

0	Also how could you hate on the BCS? Yes the national championship games come from teams in the SEC because it is the toughest and the best teams play there.

11/3/09

suedon70

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Pat wrote:

I'm rooting for the SEC to get shut out of the championship game, JUST because SEC fans are so cocky.

I'm not saying they aren't good teams, and I'm sure either Florida or Alabama will prove that they deserve to be there. BUT... you SEC yahoos need to realize that there ARE other teams in the country, and one of these days, the SEC's general unwillingness to play any difficult non-conference games will bite them in the ass. And by that, I mostly mean Florida. I realize that Alabama, Georgia and some other teams have given themselves a challenge, but Florida's non-con schedule is an absolute joke, and it's pathetic that they get rewarded for it.

Yep, I gave you the PQ for the "SEC Yahoo" comment. You need to somehow learn to write a post without demeaning a group as a whole. I know that's really difficult for you to do, but try it for a change.

Florida gets rewarded for their weak OOC scheduling because they are smart enough to play the BCS system to it's advantage. Period. Gripe and complain all you want, but until there is an advantage to playing a tough OOC schedule early in the season, or a mandate brought down by the NCAA, they will continue to schedule the cupcakes. That doesn't make it right, but it makes it advantageous to do so in the current system we have, which is the BCS.

I have stated before and I will state it again: I personally would love to see a playoff in college football. There is a very good chance this year that there will be several (3, 4 or more) undefeated teams left at the end, and it's not fair to those who will be left out not to have a shot at the title. But until that ever happens, this is what we have. And it sucks.

11/3/09

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Pat wrote:

I'm rooting for the SEC to get shut out of the championship game, JUST because SEC fans are so cocky.

I'm not saying they aren't good teams, and I'm sure either Florida or Alabama will prove that they deserve to be there. BUT... you SEC yahoos need to realize that there ARE other teams in the country, and one of these days, the SEC's general unwillingness to play any difficult non-conference games will bite them in the ass. And by that, I mostly mean Florida. I realize that Alabama, Georgia and some other teams have given themselves a challenge, but Florida's non-con schedule is an absolute joke, and it's pathetic that they get rewarded for it.

I'm rooting for the SEC to get shut out of the championship game, JUST because ~~SEC~~ Florida fans are so cocky.

/Fixed

11/3/09

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Luweezyana wrote:

At least LSU is beating their non-conference, non-ranked teams with no problem whle everybody tryin to put them down. Alabama only put up 12 against UNRANKED Tennessee and only won because of blocked field goals, maan they better bring it this week. Bama's not that great and Florida didn't exactly spank LSU either so that's not to say that Florida can't lose in a second meet...

Tennessee is a conference game, and much better than Mississippi State, which LSU needed a goal-line-stand to beat.

What's your point?

11/3/09

0	tpowell25 wrote: I'm rooting for the SEC to get shut out of the championship game, JUST because ~~SEC~~ Florida fans are so cocky. /Fixed I should have said most Florida fans. There are quite a few that are down to earth about their team's success.

11/3/09

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suzanneclark12 wrote:

before I offer you some cheese to go with your whine..beat Bama and get another crack at Gators..we need some new blood in Sec championship :=)

yes ma'am ill take that cheese and serve you up some whine sexy - im not puttin down the Gators, i'm just keep seeing people saying it like there's no way LSU can beat Florida just because they lost already - it's a good rivalry and any team can win.

11/3/09

0	tpowell25 wrote: Tennessee is a conference game, and much better than Mississippi State, which LSU needed a goal-line-stand to beat. What's your point? No point really, just to the ones that think Alabama is impossible for LSU to beat.

11/3/09

WhoDat12

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tpowell25 wrote:

Why is that? They're playing Bama in Tuscaloosa, but possibly Florida on a neutral site. Do you think that Florida is THAT much better than Alabama right now?

I know Florida already beat LSU once, but rematches can be havoc for either team.

Exactly. Even though LSU lost to Florida, if they defeat Alabama and Florida in the Title Game, then why wouldn't they be worthy of a BCS title shot? I'm all for people rooting for LSU, but it should be for these reasons:

1) They're pretty good.
2) Their mascot has a home that make plenty of people envious of him
3) Their colors are cool.
4) They have their own seasoning and meat products (seriously)
5) Their current coach is cool and their ex-coach is a douche-and-a-half.

Those are a few reasons why you should GEAUX for the TIGERS.

11/3/09

WhoDat12

2	drn0iswatr wrote: no way LSU takes both out.....not with out JaMarcus Russell....wait....did I just type that??? Wow. JaMarcus Russell went to LSU? I must have blocked that out of my mind like I blocked out Michael Jordan: The Wizard Years

11/3/09

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WhoDat12 wrote:

Exactly. Even though LSU lost to Florida, if they defeat Alabama and Florida in the Title Game, then why wouldn't they be worthy of a BCS title shot? I'm all for people rooting for LSU, but it should be for these reasons:

1) They're pretty good.
2) Their mascot has a home that make plenty of people envious of him
3) Their colors are cool.
4) They have their own seasoning and meat products (seriously)
5) Their current coach is cool and their ex-coach is a douche-and-a-half.

Those are a few reasons why you should GEAUX for the TIGERS.

You should have stopped at 4. I was like "George is a cool LSU fan", until I saw 5.

*pshh*

I've had the seasoning before. We tailgated with some LSU fans before a game in Tuscaloosa. They put it in the chili (and let me smell it, but wouldn't let me handle the shaker). Good stuff.

11/3/09

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WhoDat12 wrote:

Exactly. Even though LSU lost to Florida, if they defeat Alabama and Florida in the Title Game, then why wouldn't they be worthy of a BCS title shot? I'm all for people rooting for LSU, but it should be for these reasons:

1) They're pretty good.
2) Their mascot has a home that make plenty of people envious of him
3) Their colors are cool.
4) They have their own seasoning and meat products (seriously)
5) Their current coach is cool and their ex-coach is a douche-and-a-half.

Those are a few reasons why you should GEAUX for the TIGERS.

If there are no undefeated teams at the end of the season, then I could see LSU being worthy of a title shot with one loss. But as long as TCU, Cincinnati, Iowa, Texas and Boise State are undefeated, they should all be ahead of LSU.

11/3/09

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WhoDat12 wrote:

Exactly. Even though LSU lost to Florida, if they defeat Alabama and Florida in the Title Game, then why wouldn't they be worthy of a BCS title shot? I'm all for people rooting for LSU, but it should be for these reasons:

1) They're pretty good.
2) Their mascot has a home that make plenty of people envious of him
3) Their colors are cool.
4) They have their own seasoning and meat products (seriously)
5) Their current coach is cool and their ex-coach is a douche-and-a-half.

Those are a few reasons why you should GEAUX for the TIGERS.

thanks for sharing but i told you to wait in the car !!

11/3/09

Louisiana_Woman

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WhoDat12 wrote:

Exactly. Even though LSU lost to Florida, if they defeat Alabama and Florida in the Title Game, then why wouldn't they be worthy of a BCS title shot? I'm all for people rooting for LSU, but it should be for these reasons:

1) They're pretty good.
2) Their mascot has a home that make plenty of people envious of him
3) Their colors are cool.
4) They have their own seasoning and meat products (seriously)
5) Their current coach is cool and their ex-coach is a douche-and-a-half.

Those are a few reasons why you should GEAUX for the TIGERS.

Hooray for George - Yes Geaux for the Tigers for all of those reasons AND because they are getting better with every week and every game played this season!

11/3/09

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Pat wrote:

I'm rooting for the SEC to get shut out of the championship game, JUST because SEC fans are so cocky.

I'm not saying they aren't good teams, and I'm sure either Florida or Alabama will prove that they deserve to be there. BUT... you SEC yahoos need to realize that there ARE other teams in the country, and one of these days, the SEC's general unwillingness to play any difficult non-conference games will bite them in the ass. And by that, I mostly mean Florida. I realize that Alabama, Georgia and some other teams have given themselves a challenge, but Florida's non-con schedule is an absolute joke, and it's pathetic that they get rewarded for it.

Bla Bla Bla. Yawn I am bored.

11/3/09

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Pat wrote:

If there are no undefeated teams at the end of the season, then I could see LSU being worthy of a title shot with one loss. But as long as TCU, Cincinnati, Iowa, Texas and Boise State are undefeated, they should all be ahead of LSU.

We are talking strictly hypothetical here Pat because I don't think LSU can beat us both, so I will give you Texas and maybe Cincy, but to say the other teams deserve a shot over a one loss LUS team that just beat the #1 and #2 teams in the country coupled with an SEC Championship title is absurd.

Let me start with Iowa they play in the ~~weak~~ Big 10 enough said.

TCU and Boise play in the we are one notch above a high school team conferences meaning they play no one besides the one non-con game they schedule every year. I bet more then half the people in the country would be hard press to name another collage out of those conference beside TCU, Boise, and Utah with out looking it up.

11/3/09

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BigTone2475 wrote:

We are talking strictly hypothetical here Pat because I don't think LSU can beat us both, so I will give you Texas and maybe Cincy, but to say the other teams deserve a shot over a one loss LUS team that just beat the #1 and #2 teams in the country coupled with an SEC Championship title is absurd.

Let me start with Iowa they play in the ~~weak~~ Big 10 enough said.

TCU and Boise play in the we are one notch above a high school team conferences meaning they play no one besides the one non-con game they schedule every year. I bet more then half the people in the country would be hard press to name another collage out of those conference beside TCU, Boise, and Utah with out looking it up.

That doesn't mean that they aren't good teams though. Alabama found out the hard way last year when they played Utah.

I think if LSU wins out and beats Florida in the SEC title game, the difference between them and TCU, Cincinnati, and Iowa (if these teams stay unbeaten) will be a very slim margin. It's all going to depend on who impresses the voters the most.

11/3/09

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tpowell25 wrote:

That doesn't mean that they aren't good teams though. Alabama found out the hard way last year when they played Utah.

I think if LSU wins out and beats Florida in the SEC title game, the difference between them and TCU, Cincinnati, and Iowa (if these teams stay unbeaten) will be a very slim margin. It's all going to depend on who impresses the voters the most.

You are right it does not mean they are bad teams I am pointing out that based on the conference they play in and the currant screwed up system we have a one lose LSU coming off wins against #1 and #2 or 3, and an SEC championship should get the nod, and this is the primary reason we need a playoff system so that every one gets a fair shot.

In Iowa's case do you really want to see a another big 10 team get embarrassed in the NC game I don't. Of coarse then again I hate the Big 10.

11/3/09

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BigTone2475 wrote:

We are talking strictly hypothetical here Pat because I don't think LSU can beat us both, so I will give you Texas and maybe Cincy, but to say the other teams deserve a shot over a one loss LUS team that just beat the #1 and #2 teams in the country coupled with an SEC Championship title is absurd.

Let me start with Iowa they play in the ~~weak~~ Big 10 enough said.

TCU and Boise play in the we are one notch above a high school team conferences meaning they play no one besides the one non-con game they schedule every year. I bet more then half the people in the country would be hard press to name another collage out of those conference beside TCU, Boise, and Utah with out looking it up.

Well... I'm sure most of them know a thing or two about Hawaii and BYU... but that's irrelevant. The conference doesn't matter as much as you pretend it does. They're all in the same division. What's the point of the MWC, WAC and MAC even existing if none of their teams ever have a chance to win a championship? Name another sport in which a team can go undefeated without having any chance at all of competing for a title. That's exactly why college football is a mess.

11/3/09

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Pat wrote:

Well... I'm sure most of them know a thing or two about Hawaii and BYU... but that's irrelevant. The conference doesn't matter as much as you pretend it does. They're all in the same division. What's the point of the MWC, WAC and MAC even existing if none of their teams ever have a chance to win a championship? Name another sport in which a team can go undefeated without having any chance at all of competing for a title. That's exactly why college football is a mess.

Wow holy crap I actually agree with you on something except were you think I pretend the conferences matter. I personally think it should not matter but in this as you call it a mess we call collage football it dose. That's why we need a playoff system.

11/4/09

3	Pat wrote: I'm rooting for the SEC to get shut out of the championship game, JUST because SEC fans are so cocky. I'm not saying they aren't good teams, and I'm sure either Florida or Alabama will prove that they deserve to be there. BUT... you SEC yahoos need to realize that there ARE other teams in the country, and one of these days, the SEC's general unwillingness to play any difficult non-conference games will bite them in the ass. And by that, I mostly mean Florida. I realize that Alabama, Georgia and some other teams have given themselves a challenge, but Florida's non-con schedule is an absolute joke, and it's pathetic that they get rewarded for it. I guess I'm an "SEC yahoo", but you just don't seem to get it, Pat... If you play in a very strong conference, you have to schedule some "breathers" to have any shot at the national championship. If you play in a weak conference, you have to schedule a few "credible" opponents to have a shot at the national championship. And anyone who would argue that the SEC is not, by far, the strongest conference is very uninformed or naive. I'll shower anyone who disputes that fact with stats that prove it. And the easier non-conference schedules are not confined to the SEC. Look at some of the non-conference games of other teams who are in the race:
Texas:
LA-Monroe
Wyoming
UTEP
UCF
Iowa:
Northern Iowa
Iowa State
Arizona
Ark State
TCU:
Virginia
Texas State
Clemson
SMU
Cincinnati: SE Missouri State Oregon State Fresno State Miami (OH) Illinois Penn State:
Akron
Syracuse
Temple
Eastern Illinois How can you knock the SEC non-conf schedules without knocking the others? Oh, and by the way, if cockiness is supporting my teams as much as you do yours, then I'm cocky.

11/4/09

0	LSU's non-conference schedule: Washington Louisiana-Lafayette Tulane Louisiana Tech Aside from Texas, that is a considerably worse non-conference schedule than any of those other teams you listed. So... that's why I'm not knocking the others.

11/4/09

wdd3rd

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BigTone2475 wrote:

Wow holy crap I actually agree with you on something except were you think I pretend the conferences matter. I personally think it should not matter but in this as you call it a mess we call collage football it dose. That's why we need a playoff system.

Not gonna happen, sure they are gonna beat bama, but no matter who comes from that division, FLORIDA are destined to repeat. So stop wishing for the impossible and embrace the inevitable.

11/4/09

wdd3rd

0	BigTone2475 wrote: Wow holy crap I actually agree with you on something except were you think I pretend the conferences matter. I personally think it should not matter but in this as you call it a mess we call collage football it dose. That's why we need a playoff system. Florida is, excuse the grammar.

11/4/09

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Pat wrote:

LSU's non-conference schedule:
Washington
Louisiana-Lafayette
Tulane
Louisiana Tech

Aside from Texas, that is a considerably worse non-conference schedule than any of those other teams you listed. So... that's why I'm not knocking the others.

You seem to forget that LSU plays:
Florida
Alabama
Georgia
Auburn
Mississippi
Arkansas
And even Miss State and Vanderbilt were bowl winners the past 2 years. They just can't beat the rest of the SEC. Oops... I bet you're still touchy about Vandy beating Boston College

11/4/09

aos035

0	Luweezyana wrote: Also how could you hate on the BCS? Yes the national championship games come from teams in the SEC because it is the toughest and the best teams play there. um... I'm withholding a comment.

11/4/09

aos035

0	Pat wrote: LSU's non-conference schedule: Washington Louisiana-Lafayette Tulane Louisiana Tech Aside from Texas, that is a considerably worse non-conference schedule than any of those other teams you listed. So... that's why I'm not knocking the others. Pat, we tried to schedule games with Utah {your favorite team} and Arkansas{from "the best conference in the world}/

11/4/09

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jerryyelverton wrote:

You seem to forget that LSU plays:
Florida
Alabama
Georgia
Auburn
Mississippi
Arkansas
And even Miss State and Vanderbilt were bowl winners the past 2 years. They just can't beat the rest of the SEC. Oops... I bet you're still touchy about Vandy beating Boston College

Those are conference games. Everyone plays the teams in their conference every year. The conversation is about non-conference schedules. Try to keep up.

11/4/09

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Pat wrote:

Those are conference games. Everyone plays the teams in their conference every year. The conversation is about non-conference schedules. Try to keep up.

I think he was just mentioning the conference schedule to show why the non-conference games are a little less tougher. Correct me if I'm wrong Pat. When somebody mentions their entire 10 game schedule is a tough game then I will listen.

11/4/09

0	Since it seems that people don't want an SEC team in the National Championship, could someone suggest some teams in other conferences that should? I haven't seen or heard anybody mention one yet.

11/4/09

1	Luweezyana wrote: Since it seems that people don't want an SEC team in the National Championship, could someone suggest some teams in other conferences that should? I haven't seen or heard anybody mention one yet. It's not about which CONFERENCE gets a team in the title game. It should be about the TEAM. It should be based on TEAM performance, not the perception of the conference as a whole.

11/4/09

0	Pat wrote: It's not about which CONFERENCE gets a team in the title game. It should be about the TEAM. It should be based on TEAM performance, not the perception of the conference as a whole. Well I know but the only reason I asked is because people keep saying they don't want to see SEC teams in the championship. It should be based on team peformance.

11/4/09

1	Luweezyana wrote: I think he was just mentioning the conference schedule to show why the non-conference games are a little less tougher. Correct me if I'm wrong Pat. When somebody mentions their entire 10 game schedule is a tough game then I will listen. You got it Luweezyana... even if Pat didn't.

11/4/09

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Luweezyana wrote:

Well I know but the only reason I asked is because people keep saying they don't want to see SEC teams in the championship. It should be based on team peformance.

Right... and the reason people don't want to see that is because so many SEC fans are ridiculously obnoxious about how their conference is the best... even though their top teams rarely schedule any tough non-conference opponents.

11/4/09

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Pat wrote:

Those are conference games. Everyone plays the teams in their conference every year. The conversation is about non-conference schedules. Try to keep up.

Let me talk slower so you can understand...

I listed the undefeated teams (I meant to list Boise instead of Penn State).

It wasn't to compare the difficulty of non-conf schedules, just to show that all those teams had easy ones too.

I was talking about the SEC in general, not LSU.

But since you chose to throw LSU into the debate, I listed their conference games to show the difficulty of their overall schedule as compared to those other teams.

None of those teams have anywhere near as tough a conference schedule as LSU... or any SEC team.

Two of possibly the best three teams in the country (Florida, Alabama, & LSU) are going to be eliminated from the title game because they have to play each other to get there.

So, my argument is that, in most years, the SEC deserves to be in the title game (whether you want them to be or not) because they have the toughest road to get there... regardless of non-conference schedules.

Change, for the sake of change, is a discredit to the game. We want to see the best possible teams in the championship game.

11/4/09

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Pat wrote:

Right... and the reason people don't want to see that is because so many SEC fans are ridiculously obnoxious about how their conference is the best... even though their top teams rarely schedule any tough non-conference opponents.

I really don't understand why people don't get this. When you play in conferences That one team seems to dominate for decades ie: Pac 10 , Big 10 and others in order to strengthen your schedule you have to go out side the conference to find competition, but when you are in a conference like the SEC and this doesn't mean they are the best or are always the best it means the level of competition between SEC schools is like no other.

Playing and making it through the SEC schedule year in and year out is a lot tougher then any other conference. I am not saying every other conference sucks well except the Big 10 anyways or that any SEC team could beat any one else out there, what I am saying is that the Level of competition among SEC teams is harder to get through then most conference every year.

11/4/09

0	(Edited by BigTone2475) Pat wrote: Right... and the reason people don't want to see that is because so many SEC fans are ridiculously obnoxious about how their conference is the best... even though their top teams rarely schedule any tough non-conference opponents. Yeah whatever Pat if it were BC we would be saying the same thing about you Oh wait we are.

11/4/09

BluDevil

0	I'm all for anything that would screw the BCS and get us closer to an actual playoff, but I'm not sure that LSU beating Bama and UF would be the way to do it. I'm sure that would just boost LSU in the rankings over undefeated teams.

11/6/09