FanIQ News: Lyoto Machida and Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua rematch rumored to be set for January 2

10/27/09

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I find it hard to believe that coming into Shogun/Machida, the fight was received seemingly everywhere by collective yawn. And now it would only increase the marketability on a historical level of a decent card due to a controversial decision? Please. This is Dana White responding hastily to having his sports' refs compared to boxing refs, which would be an all-time taboo in his eyes. Dana White does damage control fairly well, but he hasn't seem something of this magnitude and is responding as such.

Sure the card is solid, but if this fight were more correctly judged the first time around (at least in the casual fans' eyes) this fight wouldn't need to take place anyways. And a battle of the TUF coaches along with 2 Title fights as UFC 100 had is still better. This card is solid no doubt, but historical? I just don't think so.

10/27/09

hapkido_warrior

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Raider_Dave wrote:

I find it hard to believe that coming into Shogun/Machida, the fight was received seemingly everywhere by collective yawn. And now it would only increase the marketability on a historical level of a decent card due to a controversial decision? Please. This is Dana White responding hastily to having his sports' refs compared to boxing refs, which would be an all-time taboo in his eyes. Dana White does damage control fairly well, but he hasn't seem something of this magnitude and is responding as such.

Sure the card is solid, but if this fight were more correctly judged the first time around (at least in the casual fans' eyes) this fight wouldn't need to take place anyways. And a battle of the TUF coaches along with 2 Title fights as UFC 100 had is still better. This card is solid no doubt, but historical? I just don't think so.

there have been decisions like this before...i don't think this is completely damage control, it's partially because shogun's just due his rematch, maybe not the most interesting rematch (for some) but shogun is dued it....Dana is doing the right thingm besides the refs weren't on trial in this card...sure mazzagatti stopped rothwell's fight early but that was bound to happen anyway
it was the judges who were the problem here (i assume you meant that by refs, just clarifying) however, Dana is no defender of the Nevada state athletic commission judges, he doesn't publically say F*%$ those guys because they determine the legibility of his company and appoint judges, refs etc. but he does constantly hint at how the judges need to be replaced

10/27/09

BluDevil

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Raider_Dave wrote:

I find it hard to believe that coming into Shogun/Machida, the fight was received seemingly everywhere by collective yawn. And now it would only increase the marketability on a historical level of a decent card due to a controversial decision? Please. This is Dana White responding hastily to having his sports' refs compared to boxing refs, which would be an all-time taboo in his eyes. Dana White does damage control fairly well, but he hasn't seem something of this magnitude and is responding as such.

Sure the card is solid, but if this fight were more correctly judged the first time around (at least in the casual fans' eyes) this fight wouldn't need to take place anyways. And a battle of the TUF coaches along with 2 Title fights as UFC 100 had is still better. This card is solid no doubt, but historical? I just don't think so.

Great points.

I'd like to add to this a couple of things.

1. PPV right after X-Mas usually don't sell great because people are tapped for cash.
2. Tons of college ball going on at this time of year and guys spending their $$$ to go to the bar and drink and watch NCAA aren't going to have a lot to spend on a PPV.

So is this Dana trying to come up with a card that would sell better than usual, given the bad economy and the natural tendency for PPV right after X-Mas to not sell?

Sure seems to me like this thing was planned from the beginning, i.e. get a controversial fight that generates publicity so that the rematch can get scheduled during a time when PPV sales are traditionally low. Feels fishy to me.

10/27/09

KyleJCook6

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BluDevil wrote:

Great points.

I'd like to add to this a couple of things.

1. PPV right after X-Mas usually don't sell great because people are tapped for cash.
2. Tons of college ball going on at this time of year and guys spending their $$$ to go to the bar and drink and watch NCAA aren't going to have a lot to spend on a PPV.

So is this Dana trying to come up with a card that would sell better than usual, given the bad economy and the natural tendency for PPV right after X-Mas to not sell?

Sure seems to me like this thing was planned from the beginning, i.e. get a controversial fight that generates publicity so that the rematch can get scheduled during a time when PPV sales are traditionally low. Feels fishy to me.

If there was a stupid button i would give it to you right now.

1. If it was up to Dana Shogun would have won the first fight he said that during the press conference right after the fight.
2. This is MMA not NCAA so I don't see the connection besides the fact that some would be fans of both, but if your a true fan you would watch the this instead because you can watch football anytime this is only on once until six months later on UFC Unleashed where no one cares about it anymore.

10/27/09

BluDevil

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KyleJCook6 wrote:

If there was a stupid button i would give it to you right now.

1. If it was up to Dana Shogun would have won the first fight he said that during the press conference right after the fight.
2. This is MMA not NCAA so I don't see the connection besides the fact that some would be fans of both, but if your a true fan you would watch the this instead because you can watch football anytime this is only on once until six months later on UFC Unleashed where no one cares about it anymore.

Umm.. so you can watch the bowl games on Jan 2 anytime? Weird... bowl games only happen once a year, kind of like how these fights might only happen once. So I guess there's no way somebody who actually has to work, pay a mortgage and car payment, pay water bills, electric bills, cable bills, pay for all the x-mas gifts they bought for their family and pay to feed and clothe their teenage kids might have to make a choice between spending money on watching the NCAA bowl games and spending about $50 on a PPV.

I guess when you are only 16 and mom and dad are (mostly) taking care of you, you really don't think about that kind of stuff.

If there was a stupid button I would give it to your right now.

10/27/09

MacDoogie

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BluDevil wrote:

Umm.. so you can watch the bowl games on Jan 2 anytime? Weird... bowl games only happen once a year, kind of like how these fights might only happen once. So I guess there's no way somebody who actually has to work, pay a mortgage and car payment, pay water bills, electric bills, cable bills, pay for all the x-mas gifts they bought for their family and pay to feed and clothe their teenage kids might have to make a choice between spending money on watching the NCAA bowl games and spending about $50 on a PPV.

I guess when you are only 16 and mom and dad are (mostly) taking care of you, you really don't think about that kind of stuff.

If there was a stupid button I would give it to your right now.

tell me one person who pays the price of a full PPV card by themselves anyways? Everyone just splits it between some friends and chip in for some beer. I havent paid more than 10 dollars on a single UFC card. I'm also quite certain that middle aged people that have teenage kids aren't the target market for the UFC.

10/27/09

BluDevil

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MacDoogie wrote:

tell me one person who pays the price of a full PPV card by themselves anyways? Everyone just splits it between some friends and chip in for some beer. I havent paid more than 10 dollars on a single UFC card. I'm also quite certain that middle aged people that have teenage kids aren't the target market for the UFC.

Yeah, that would be smart to take the market with the most disposable income in the US and make it *not* your target market. If that is the UFC marketing plan, no wonder they aren't selling as many PPV as they'd like.

10/27/09

MacDoogie

0	BluDevil wrote: Yeah, that would be smart to take the market with the most disposable income in the US and make it not your target market. If that is the UFC marketing plan, no wonder they aren't selling as many PPV as they'd like. The target market is 18-34. That's hardly middle aged.

10/27/09

KyleJCook6

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(Edited by KyleJCook6)

1.Well if they go to a bar I'm guessing their going to spend money on beer and food which may(or may not) come out to 45$ right?So spending time with your buds at a bar watching bowling ( why people go to a bar to watch that) or possible spending time with your kids watching UFC I bet a lot of parents would pick spending time with kids.
2. If you where planing on buying this I think you would make sure you had the money so you wouldn't have to worry about paying bills or not.
3. I have missed UFC events because I had to work so I don't buy it. I just read about the outcomes on the internet and try to find a video of it.
4. I'm guessing that if I can pay for PPV with a part time job a middle age man can pay for it with a full time one.

The only thing my mom pays for is the roof over my head and the food I eat. I pay for my car, gas, insurense, car payments, The PPV, ect... So just because i'm 16 you don't think I know the concept of money, but I guess you just don't think about that kind of stuff.

10/27/09

adrisoto86

2	I would say it would be the greatest by far but I'm not going to hold my breath. They are always changing things so I'll just wait for it to become official to get excited.

10/28/09

thevandal1

2	Machida has been suspended for 60 days by the CASC so i don't see this fight happening before February at the very earliest at best, maybe a month or two later.

10/28/09

daddybair33

1	should be good , don't know about the greatest , i'm not even gonna get into the whole "historical" debate . that word gets used way too much. anyway this all just typical dana white hype. machida vs. shogun i don't feel deserves p.p.v. after their last fight i think spike t.v. is more like it.

10/28/09

adrisoto86

0	thevandal1 wrote: Machida has been suspended for 60 days by the CASC so i don't see this fight happening before February at the very earliest at best, maybe a month or two later. what for?

10/28/09

Pat

0	adrisoto86 wrote: what for? Medical suspension... it happens every fight, the time just varies. If guys get beat up badly, they don't want them jumping back into the octagon too quickly.

10/28/09

hapkido_warrior

0	not a bad card...not most stacked in history...not even close, it'll be an 'above average card' but i guess that doesn't make headlines

10/28/09

BluDevil

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KyleJCook6 wrote:

1.Well if they go to a bar I'm guessing their going to spend money on beer and food which may(or may not) come out to 45$ right?So spending time with your buds at a bar watching bowling ( why people go to a bar to watch that) or possible spending time with your kids watching UFC I bet a lot of parents would pick spending time with kids.
2. If you where planing on buying this I think you would make sure you had the money so you wouldn't have to worry about paying bills or not.
3. I have missed UFC events because I had to work so I don't buy it. I just read about the outcomes on the internet and try to find a video of it.
4. I'm guessing that if I can pay for PPV with a part time job a middle age man can pay for it with a full time one.

The only thing my mom pays for is the roof over my head and the food I eat. I pay for my car, gas, insurense, car payments, The PPV, ect... So just because i'm 16 you don't think I know the concept of money, but I guess you just don't think about that kind of stuff.

Sure, sure... you pay for almost everything... car, gas... insurance (that's how it is spelled). By the way, why would you say you pay for your car and you pay for car payments? Isn't that a bit redundant? I don't think that because you are 16 you don't understand the concept of money... I think that because you are 16 you don't understand *anything*

The point being is that yes, some people are going to pick between paying for the UFC PPV and something else. If Dana wants less people to pick "something else", he has to come up with a good card. What better way than by staging a controversial fight so that he can get the rematch on a card that typically wouldn't sell that well to begin with?

10/28/09

KyleJCook6

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BluDevil wrote:

Sure, sure... you pay for almost everything... car, gas... insurance (that's how it is spelled). By the way, why would you say you pay for your car and you pay for car payments? Isn't that a bit redundant? I don't think that because you are 16 you don't understand the concept of money... I think that because you are 16 you don't understand *anything*

The point being is that yes, some people are going to pick between paying for the UFC PPV and something else. If Dana wants less people to pick "something else", he has to come up with a good card. What better way than by staging a controversial fight so that he can get the rematch on a card that typically wouldn't sell that well to begin with?

well you obviously don't understand this sport if you think that just because Shogun and Machida might fight on this people will buy it.

This card already has Silva vs. Belfort, Rashad vs. Thiago Silva possibly Carwin vs. Lesnar all really good fights.

Of course Dana wont's more people to watch his PPV instead of something else if they don't how does he expect to get paid?

Are you really that ignorant to say just because I'm 16 I don't know anything? Your a 33 year old guy that's arguing with a kid 17 years younger then you about a sport you don't understand. Is this the way you make your self feel good after all those mean kids in high-school made fun of you for looking like the illegitimate son of Bill Gates and Steven Hawking.

10/29/09

BluDevil

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KyleJCook6 wrote:

well you obviously don't understand this sport if you think that just because Shogun and Machida might fight on this people will buy it.

This card already has Silva vs. Belfort, Rashad vs. Thiago Silva possibly Carwin vs. Lesnar all really good fights.

Of course Dana wont's more people to watch his PPV instead of something else if they don't how does he expect to get paid?

Are you really that ignorant to say just because I'm 16 I don't know anything? Your a 33 year old guy that's arguing with a kid 17 years younger then you about a sport you don't understand. Is this the way you make your self feel good after all those mean kids in high-school made fun of you for looking like the illegitimate son of Bill Gates and Steven Hawking.

Now you're getting it.

10/29/09

Raider_Dave

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BluDevil wrote:

Great points.

I'd like to add to this a couple of things.

1. PPV right after X-Mas usually don't sell great because people are tapped for cash.
2. Tons of college ball going on at this time of year and guys spending their $$$ to go to the bar and drink and watch NCAA aren't going to have a lot to spend on a PPV.

So is this Dana trying to come up with a card that would sell better than usual, given the bad economy and the natural tendency for PPV right after X-Mas to not sell?

Sure seems to me like this thing was planned from the beginning, i.e. get a controversial fight that generates publicity so that the rematch can get scheduled during a time when PPV sales are traditionally low. Feels fishy to me.

I have to disagree on one thing. The UFC's biggest card of the year is always New Years' weekend, and it is usually the best selling card of the year as well. There are usually at least 2 championship bouts on the end of year cards, as well as top contenders fighting. My point was that Dana White has never really had a decision that left mainstream fans feeling as polarized as this one did. Machida was tabbed as "untouchable" (I think Dana White brought up more than anyone that Machida has sustained the least amount of strikes in UFC history) and Shogun was the guy who hasn't lived up to expectations in the UFC who would be trying to take the belt away and end the "Machida Era."

The fact that MMA scoring has always been heated topic for debate with the way the fight was judged only makes matters worse. I feel, in a time in which illnesses (the flu) and injuries are hurting fight cards more than ever, in conjunction with a time in which Strikeforce is also picking up the pace on marquee events(which are free by the way) makes Dana feel as though he has to do something drastic or major, and this would answer the bell to all of that.

10/29/09

hapkido_warrior

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Raider_Dave wrote:

I have to disagree on one thing. The UFC's biggest card of the year is always New Years' weekend, and it is usually the best selling card of the year as well. There are usually at least 2 championship bouts on the end of year cards, as well as top contenders fighting. My point was that Dana White has never really had a decision that left mainstream fans feeling as polarized as this one did. Machida was tabbed as "untouchable" (I think Dana White brought up more than anyone that Machida has sustained the least amount of strikes in UFC history) and Shogun was the guy who hasn't lived up to expectations in the UFC who would be trying to take the belt away and end the "Machida Era."

The fact that MMA scoring has always been heated topic for debate with the way the fight was judged only makes matters worse. I feel, in a time in which illnesses (the flu) and injuries are hurting fight cards more than ever, in conjunction with a time in which Strikeforce is also picking up the pace on marquee events(which are free by the way) makes Dana feel as though he has to do something drastic or major, and this would answer the bell to all of that.

it sounds like your getting dana and joe rogan mixed up in a few spots there but there opinions are similiar so no difference
although i suspect the only reason this one left most people so heated about it is simply because more people are watching now, not because this decision was any different than some major title fight decisions have gone in the past
strikeforce is in no way pressuring UFC, most viewers don't even know 'what a strikeforce' is, also...injuries and disease have kept people out of it for a long time...maybe you just didn't see it before but people pulled out of events all the time...i would say they've actually decreased as the science of peaking and training before a fight has improved

and what would answer the bell to all of that? UFC 108? he can't get rid of judges or refs so...i'm not sure what your referring to- please clarify for me