FanIQ News: Lyoto Machida retains light heavyweight championship, winning controversial decision over Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua

1	I don't think either one of them did any major damage to the other fighter. As a matter of fact I was extremely disappointed in the fight. Here you have 2 of the best strikers in MMA history and all I saw were a bunch of weak leg kicks. Neither of them impressed me at all and I'm sure the judges felt the same way so why not let Machida just keep his belt?

10/25/09

Pat

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adrisoto86 wrote:

I don't think either one of them did any major damage to the other fighter. As a matter of fact I was extremely disappointed in the fight. Here you have 2 of the best strikers in MMA history and all I saw were a bunch of weak leg kicks. Neither of them impressed me at all and I'm sure the judges felt the same way so why not let Machida just keep his belt?

I disagree. From a technical standpoint, that was a great fight.

10/25/09

MacDoogie

1	Rematch at 109. Shogun gets the fight immediately and they settle it once and for all. I, unfortunatley did not see the fight but come March or late Feburary, I will know for sure.

10/25/09

forever_girl

1	Ok fight...but was not impressed in the least!

10/25/09

littleice2

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Well if anyone watched the post fight press conference or Dana White's Interview. This is what Dana Said "There will be a rematch between The Dragon and Sho Gun". Here an Idea I have for Dana White and If anyone else has a better idea put it out there. if I ran the UFC I would declare the the title held up and at the next UFC PPV which someone said it would be UFC 109- Sho Gun vs. The Dragon for the Held Up UFC Undisputed World Light-Heavyweight Championship.

10/25/09

0	I think Machida should at least fight someone different before he fights Shogun again. I would like to see him take on the winner of the Anderson Silva/Vitor Belfort fight.

10/25/09

KyleJCook6

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adrisoto86 wrote:

I think Machida should at least fight someone different before he fights Shogun again. I would like to see him take on the winner of the Anderson Silva/Vitor Belfort fight.

Why? Shogun in my mind and in a lot of others minds got screwed last night Shogun defiantly deserves a rematch right away. Why Silva vs Belfort? 1.Silva and Machida will never fight we have gone over this several time. 2. If and this is a big if but if Belfort does win hes going to have to defend his belt before moving to a different weight class.

10/25/09

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adrisoto86 wrote:

I don't think either one of them did any major damage to the other fighter. As a matter of fact I was extremely disappointed in the fight. Here you have 2 of the best strikers in MMA history and all I saw were a bunch of weak leg kicks. Neither of them impressed me at all and I'm sure the judges felt the same way so why not let Machida just keep his belt?

this is because you are stupid, and know nothing of mma- those leg kicks were strong as hell, body shots like no else could in mma, it was an amazing fight from a technical stand point, you just don't know anything thats happening unless there both swinging wildly with their eyes closed for 5 minutes
jcook is right up here, you obviously don't distinguish between weight classes and don't realize lyoto won't fight anderson

i don't quite think shogun got screwed though..i scored it as a tie, joe's commentary made it sound far more one sided than it was, machida connected just as much as shogun, watch the fight without commentary. It looks like a completely dead tie. they gave it to machida because he's the champ and you can't have tie in a championship match

but it'll all be settled in the rematch

10/25/09

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hapkido_warrior wrote:

this is because you are stupid, and know nothing of mma- those leg kicks were strong as hell, body shots like no else could in mma, it was an amazing fight from a technical stand point, you just don't know anything thats happening unless there both swinging wildly with their eyes closed for 5 minutes
jcook is right up here, you obviously don't distinguish between weight classes and don't realize lyoto won't fight anderson

i don't quite think shogun got screwed though..i scored it as a tie, joe's commentary made it sound far more one sided than it was, machida connected just as much as shogun, watch the fight without commentary. It looks like a completely dead tie. they gave it to machida because he's the champ and you can't have tie in a championship match

but it'll all be settled in the rematch

i'm stupid and know nothing about MMA? ok, i'm stating my opinion just like everyone else in this thread. you thought it was an amazing fight and i thought the fight sucked and could've been lots better. you don't have to go and call me stupid just cause i have a different view than you do!! i understand that Anderson and Lyoto are friends and they don't want to fight each other I"m just saying i would like to see him fight the winner of Silva/Belfort before there's a rematch. How do you know Silva will even be the winner of that fight?

10/25/09

0	i would love to see a rematch between him and Shogun. hopefully it will be lots better than this one because it was extremely disappointing in my mind.

10/26/09

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adrisoto86 wrote:

i'm stupid and know nothing about MMA? ok, i'm stating my opinion just like everyone else in this thread. you thought it was an amazing fight and i thought the fight sucked and could've been lots better. you don't have to go and call me stupid just cause i have a different view than you do!! i understand that Anderson and Lyoto are friends and they don't want to fight each other I"m just saying i would like to see him fight the winner of Silva/Belfort before there's a rematch. How do you know Silva will even be the winner of that fight?

i said you were stupid because you said they threw a bunch of "weak leg kicks" do you honestly think those leg kicks were in any way weak?

one of those leg kicks would fracture a mortal man's leg, i don't know who will win silva/belfort but obviously he wouldn't be able to fight the winner of the match if silva won, so unless belfort is 100% garunteed to win than it is meaningless
this was a good fight, i dont see what more you want out of it...? what are you expecting/wanting out of this fight...a flying round house kick? spinning elbows and superman punches? spinning back kicks...? that fight last night was what a real match of two great strikers looks like.

10/26/09

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hapkido_warrior wrote:

i said you were stupid because you said they threw a bunch of "weak leg kicks" do you honestly think those leg kicks were in any way weak?

one of those leg kicks would fracture a mortal man's leg, i don't know who will win silva/belfort but obviously he wouldn't be able to fight the winner of the match if silva won, so unless belfort is 100% garunteed to win than it is meaningless
this was a good fight, i dont see what more you want out of it...? what are you expecting/wanting out of this fight...a flying round house kick? spinning elbows and superman punches? spinning back kicks...? that fight last night was what a real match of two great strikers looks like.

uh i think you're taking my comment a little bit too serious there. i should be able to say what i want about a fight without being called stupid for stating my own opinion. i thought the fight sucked balls!!! it wasn't what i expected. i was waiting for someone to get knocked out in the 2nd round so i'm stupid for that?? again you thought it was great, i thought it could've been better and that's the end of that. what's the world coming to when you can't even say what you want about a fight without being called stupid??!!

10/26/09

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adrisoto86 wrote:

uh i think you're taking my comment a little bit too serious there. i should be able to say what i want about a fight without being called stupid for stating my own opinion. i thought the fight sucked balls!!! it wasn't what i expected. i was waiting for someone to get knocked out in the 2nd round so i'm stupid for that?? again you thought it was great, i thought it could've been better and that's the end of that. what's the world coming to when you can't even say what you want about a fight without being called stupid??!!

it has nothing to do with the fact you thought it was boring..lots of people thought that...but that little jab about weak leg kicks, you act like there a couple of panzies dancing around slapping each other on the arm
whether you found it interesting or not, saying that their attacks were weak and that they didn't do a lick of damage goes outside the realm of regular opinion, for instance if i were to say i could beat these fighters or Elvis Sinosic was the greatest fighter to ever enter the UFC. or that lyoto machida knocked out shogun; all of these would be examples of things that rest outside what i would refer to as 'regular opinion' and into the category of 'regular dumbness'

10/26/09

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kantwistaye wrote:

Well at least White wants to do something to fix the situation then. Eventually if UFC wants to continue growing its going to have to start drawing in people like me who are still on the fence. Seeing stories like this doesn't help, but its good knowing UFC will do what they can to fix a bad situation.

White wants to "fix" the situation?

Hmm... he owns UFC, he picked the fighters, he hired the judges and they get paid by UFC, not from some outside sanctioning body. And won't UFC and thus White get more pub when:

A. There is a controversial fight
B. There is a rematch

That's the formula for how you make more money.

So didn't he already "fix" the fight?

10/26/09

1	Pat wrote: I disagree. From a technical standpoint, that was a great fight. Is that like being "technically" right? And are people really paying to see "technical" fights? I think fans want to pay their $$$ to see action fights. Not to say that MMA fans don't appreciate "technical" fights, but for a main event in the PPV I think fans want to see action.

10/26/09

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hapkido_warrior wrote:

i said you were stupid because you said they threw a bunch of "weak leg kicks" do you honestly think those leg kicks were in any way weak?

one of those leg kicks would fracture a mortal man's leg, i don't know who will win silva/belfort but obviously he wouldn't be able to fight the winner of the match if silva won, so unless belfort is 100% garunteed to win than it is meaningless
this was a good fight, i dont see what more you want out of it...? what are you expecting/wanting out of this fight...a flying round house kick? spinning elbows and superman punches? spinning back kicks...? that fight last night was what a real match of two great strikers looks like.

If that is what a real match of great strikers looks like, then I predict that UFC won't be selling a whole ton more PPV in the future. That fight was a technical fight, which has a certain appeal, but not much beyond the more hard core MMA fans. To pull in average sports fans that aren't your typical hard core MMA fans, then I think that MMA is going to have to get something other than a great technical fight.

10/26/09

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BluDevil wrote:

White wants to "fix" the situation?

Hmm... he owns UFC, he picked the fighters, he hired the judges and they get paid by UFC, not from some outside sanctioning body. And won't UFC and thus White get more pub when:

A. There is a controversial fight
B. There is a rematch

That's the formula for how you make more money.

So didn't he already "fix" the fight?

actually the judges and refs are all appointed by the nevada athletic commission, dana has no control over them

10/26/09

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BluDevil wrote:

If that is what a real match of great strikers looks like, then I predict that UFC won't be selling a whole ton more PPV in the future. That fight was a technical fight, which has a certain appeal, but not much beyond the more hard core MMA fans. To pull in average sports fans that aren't your typical hard core MMA fans, then I think that MMA is going to have to get something other than a great technical fight.

i agree that most will never find that level of technicality in striking interesting, there will always be plenty of brawl and haul in the UFC for your average guy
the only real threat to the UFC in my eyes is K-1...lord knows what these fans will do once they realize all that 'rolling around on the ground' as it is often referred to, doesn't exist there and not to mention those guys like to do flying roundhouse god only knows what kicks, if they see an organization where every fight is a standup brawl (which seems to be what most people want) MMA might fall to the wayside

10/26/09

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hapkido_warrior wrote:

it has nothing to do with the fact you thought it was boring..lots of people thought that...but that little jab about weak leg kicks, you act like there a couple of panzies dancing around slapping each other on the arm
whether you found it interesting or not, saying that their attacks were weak and that they didn't do a lick of damage goes outside the realm of regular opinion, for instance if i were to say i could beat these fighters or Elvis Sinosic was the greatest fighter to ever enter the UFC. or that lyoto machida knocked out shogun; all of these would be examples of things that rest outside what i would refer to as 'regular opinion' and into the category of 'regular dumbness'

so what if i said they were weak leg kicks!! i thought the whole fight was weak so shoot me!! if you don't like what i have to say then ignore my comments!!

10/26/09

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BluDevil wrote:

Is that like being "technically" right?

And are people really paying to see "technical" fights? I think fans want to pay their $$$ to see action fights. Not to say that MMA fans don't appreciate "technical" fights, but for a main event in the PPV I think fans want to see action.

that's exactly why i was so disappointed. i really thought that the fight would end in a KO. i wasn't sure who would be the one who was laid out but i was so positive it would come. oh well though maybe we'll see one in the rematch.

10/27/09

KyleJCook6

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BluDevil wrote:

White wants to "fix" the situation?

Hmm... he owns UFC, he picked the fighters, he hired the judges and they get paid by UFC, not from some outside sanctioning body. And won't UFC and thus White get more pub when:

A. There is a controversial fight
B. There is a rematch

That's the formula for how you make more money.

So didn't he already "fix" the fight?

Get your facts straight Dana White dosn't own the UFC Fiorito brothers do. Dana is just the president so get your facts straight.

10/27/09

notafluke21

1	notafluke21 wrote: Well, it doesn't matter if Rua fought well, to beat a champion and take his belt you have to prove your victory and win unanimously. This decision was not controversial, it was the right decision. I don't believe any champion should be defeated in a decision unless he was truly defeated. This goes for all martial arts, you must be defeated.

10/27/09