I agree they should have to star from the bottom but the fact of the matter is he didn't and he has beaten 2 out of 3 top level fighters. Like it or not he is the Champ and he will retain his title after he beats Mir.

Alas, I wish I could be as bold in my assertions but I fear that it will be a much closer  thing than I or the rest of the MMA/Frank Mir fans could wish. If hard won skill trumps BRUTE power then we will sleep the sleep of the redeemed; if not, then long live Donkey Kong!

The flaw in that statement is that Brock has real skill. You do not have the success that he did wrestling without skill. Mir won the first meeting by simply catching Brock being over aggressive. Brock has matured immensely in just 3 fights and will not be caught unawares again. Mir looked great in his last fight, probably better then he ever has but that was against an opponent past his prime who notoriously takes beatings most of his fights only to win by submission. Brock is a machine and as much as I respect Mir's ability he will not win. IMO the only heavyweight in the UFC with a chance at Lesnar is Shane Cerwin. A beast of a man who can Match Brock's size skill and strength.

The question is not " a lack of skill " It's " a diversity of skill ".  Brock has great wrestling skill but that is only one aspect of MMA. Is he a compleate martial artist ? I think not. Does his great strength & Wrestling give him a chance ? Of course it does. I hope not. I dont think it's good for MMA or the martial arts world in general. All I can say is we will have to wait & see.

He has shown he has skill on his feet ...case and point Heath Herring. He picked him apart from start to finish and Heath is know for his stand up prowess. As far as diversity goes the majority of the great fighters in MMA have a very strong wrestling background. Was Matt Hughes bad for the sport, how about Randy Coture?

In a word, yes.... I hate waching those lay & pray paper weights! Every kind of fighting has a finish to it, be it a sub. knock out, or throw. To stalemate a fight by pinning someone down against the cage & holding on for dear life while inflicting little to no damage, all the while praying for an ill trained pool of judges, equipted with poorly defined criteria,to award one the decision is absolutely bad for the sport & the growth of understanding within the fan base.

how do you think they became professional wrestlers ...? they worked hard , trained , long while to do what they want to do . Brock Lesnar is a NCAA wrestling Champion so why dont you look up their story before making snap judgments

how do you think they became professional wrestlers ...? they worked hard , trained , long while to do what they want to do . Brock Lesnar is a NCAA wrestling Champion so why dont you look up their story before making snap judgments and the top fighters are heavyweights its not like he just went straight to UFC he did work up into it and since hes a heavyweight he doesnt fight lioto michidi and people like him

Brock's NCAA Wrestling background says a lot for him, however, you seem to think that "pro" wrasling is a step up the food chain. WRONG !! That fake garbage served up to excite the base emotions of 8 yr. old kids, & thirty yr. old morons is nothing but a boil on the butt of mankind. I do not question his atheletic gifts, but rather his martial artistry. I've been involved in the arts for 34 yrs. & very much appreciate the cotributions of the MMA community in finding Truth in combat. That being said, I feel wrestling  serves as more of a prophylactic in MMA: that is, it's something used to keep something from happening rather than something that is bringing about a true finnish in & of it's self..... ie.....a submission, a knock out, ect. etc....The only notable exception to this I've found is Jon "Bones" Jones who mixes his excellent Greco/Roman throws with wonderfuly creative use of traditional Martial Arts striking.

Hughes vs Serra....'nuff said. I certainly agree that wrestling skill is absolutely needful ; a condom is great for preventing unwanted OUTCUMS. I mean outcomes. But seriously, we seem to be talking past each other. The two stratagems of make something happen vs keep something from happening have been at war forever. Take something as far afield as chess....{ If MMA is a chess match played out with the body, is chess a martial contest of the mind?} . In the 1960s there was a gentleman named T. Petrosian who became world champiom. He was known as the drawing master because the most  notable aspect of his style was that he kept the position so constricted that his opponents found it hard to launch an attack. By the same token, he would only launch one if his adversary had become so frustrated with the stagnation as to expose themselves . This lasted untill Bobby Fisher came along with his great attacking style & then it was game over. Again, wrestling is needful but if it's the only trick in you're bag then you will be Boring at best & allways meat for the top of the food chain at worst.  Tommy Spear, Sean Salmon, Kevin Jackson, Royce Alger, & the list goes on & on.

Err, that should read; you will be... not tou will be. for some reason the site will not let me edit my post !?

Untill Rashad picked up his striking level, ( & for that matter Rampage too) I had no particular wish to buy a PPV he was a part of. If I did it was not for him. As for the rest your list; they are a who's who list of uninteresting fighters about which I care little. This is even more apparent because at least 3 on your list are noted  " roid " freaks. If I wanted to watch blown up bohemoths root around on one another I would watch gay S&M porn.... or Rosie O'Donnell or something!

On another aspect, ground & pound is not part of wrestling at all ; it's what wrestlers do to finnish fights because wrestling by it's self has NO techniques to end a fight. Of course there are always exceptions; ie.a knockout from a slam, a la Hughes vs Newton, but the exception only prooves the rule.

Really whether or not wrestling is boring or not is beside the point. On that we'll have to agree to disagree. The topic of my original post was that Brock does not lack skill, but does not possess the wide range of skills that Frank Mir does at this point in time. Granted, I wouldn't want to go five rounds with Lesnar: he's big, he's got a good wrestling background, and he may have added submission negation to his arsenal, though we have yet to see if that is so. However, Frank Mir has in his arsenal, BJJ, Western Boxing, Muay Thai, Kempo Karate (black belt acquired between the ages of four and eighteen), and was a state high school wrestling champ to boot. All I'm saying is that I trust Mir's diversity over Brock's wrestling. We'll just have to wait til next saturday to see. 

And is hard to use that skill with a bear just resting on top of you!!!

You don't work your way through being a ncaa champion to just start at the top in mma is my point,yes he does have wrestling skills but while everyone learns their skills they still have to work their way up obviously! I didn't know there were actually grown men out there that actually kept up with "Professional Wrestling" My point for this post is that i don't like to see skilled fighters being beat by cuddlers!!!