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10/19/09
Ready to get confused? European World Cup qualifying moves into it's 2nd phase.

There are a few other articles floating around on the Q about how World Cup qualifying works, so I thought I’d write something up about the 2nd phase of the Europe qualifying process. For those who don’t know how it works, Europe gets 13 of the 32 spots in the World Cup. The nations of Europe are divided into 9 groups. The 9 teams that win those groups get 9 of the 13 Europe spots in the World Cup. The 8 best teams that finished in 2nd place in their group go into a playoff to determine who gets the final 4 of Europe’s 13 spots. Clear as mud?

Well, here is who has qualified for the World Cup so far from Europe:

·         Netherlands

·         England

·         Spain

·         Germany

·         Denmark

·         Serbia

·         Italy

·         Switzerland

·         Slovakia

The countries that finished in 2nd place in their group are now in a playoff to determine the final 4 Europe teams:

·         France vs Ireland

·         Portugal vs Bosina/Herzgovina

·         Russia vs Slovenia

·         Greece vs Ukraine

The teams will play a home and away series and the team that scores the most goals in those two games advances to the World Cup. For example, let’s say that Ireland comes to France and France wins 3-0. Then in the 2nd game France goes to Ireland and loses 1-0. France would advance to the World Cup because they would win with an overall score of 3-1.

Don’t ask what happens if the two teams tie unless you want a real headache.

The games begin on 11/14 and the final games will be played on 11/18.

So, any predictions? Or any favorites that you want to see qualify for the World Cup?

There are some big names here that might not qualify. France is a previous world champion, Portugal, Russia and Greece have all been pretty good in recent years. I think Ukraine has the best shot at getting an upset, but I suspect France, Portugal and Russia will all win their matches easily.

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10/19/09
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sweet!! Thanks for sharing - I have always been thoroughly confused....and too lazy to look it up. :)

10/19/09
3
I am still confused, but slightly less confused. If that means anything.

10/19/09
3
Picks:  France, Portugal, Russia Greece.

The only one my heart is complaining about is that I should take Ireland over the Frogs.

10/19/09
2
With ties, the team with the most away goals wins. I hope for a Bosnia upset over Portugal.

10/19/09
1
THE_Smoot wrote:
With ties, the team with the most away goals wins. I hope for a Bosnia upset over Portugal.
And what if they have the same amount of away goals? 

Then they go to "discipline", i.e. who has the least amount of cards... I think.

10/19/09
0
It happens, I think the USA had to play Iraq or Iran once too.

10/19/09
2
I never thought it was that confusing, but I guess that's me.  I doubt Bosnia upsets Portugal BUT in futbol you never know almost like Any Given Sunday

10/19/09
2
Btw very well done piece good look for soccer.

10/19/09
2
I wish i could give you more than ONE thumbs up

10/19/09
2
France

·         Portugal

·         Slovenia

·         Ukraine


10/19/09
1
I do not know if this is normal or not...  But in the Asian group, the 3rd place teams from the two final groups played a home and home playoff to see who gets to play the winner from the Oceana (New Zealand).  Bahrain and Saudi Arabia played a 0:0 draw in Manama.  Then played a 2:2 draw in Riyadh.  Total score for both games was 2:2.  The first tiebreaker used was road goals for each team.  Which Bahrain had 2:0.  So they advanced to the home and home aggregate goal series with New Zealand for an invitation to be one of the 32 teams in South Africa next summer.

The formats aren't basic, but it is hardly rocket science.  My only thing with the Euro group is that they have more than 13 quality teams.  France didn't even make it this year...  Yet Honduras does because CONCACAF gets 3.5 teams.  (The 4th place team from CONCACAF plays a home and home against the 5th place team from South America qualifiers.)  Off hand I'd say France is better and does deserve a trip to the finals over Honduras.  But the flip side is that FIFA probably doesn't want the finals to be too Euro heavy.  And I get that.

10/19/09
3
Possible but unlikely.  The way the groups are seeded they try to keep teams from the same federation from being in the same group.  It's easy for teams from feds that have few teams.  USA and Mexico will NOT be in the same group.  But they will have some groups with two Euro teams.  But no more than two.

10/19/09
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ML31 wrote:
I do not know if this is normal or not...  But in the Asian group, the 3rd place teams from the two final groups played a home and home playoff to see who gets to play the winner from the Oceana (New Zealand).  Bahrain and Saudi Arabia played a 0:0 draw in Manama.  Then played a 2:2 draw in Riyadh.  Total score for both games was 2:2.  The first tiebreaker used was road goals for each team.  Which Bahrain had 2:0.  So they advanced to the home and home aggregate goal series with New Zealand for an invitation to be one of the 32 teams in South Africa next summer.

The formats aren't basic, but it is hardly rocket science.  My only thing with the Euro group is that they have more than 13 quality teams.  France didn't even make it this year...  Yet Honduras does because CONCACAF gets 3.5 teams.  (The 4th place team from CONCACAF plays a home and home against the 5th place team from South America qualifiers.)  Off hand I'd say France is better and does deserve a trip to the finals over Honduras.  But the flip side is that FIFA probably doesn't want the finals to be too Euro heavy.  And I get that.
Yeah, that playoff between Asia and Oceania is similar to the CONCACAF vs CONMENBOL playoff. The tiebreaking rules should be just about the same.

Euro has more than 13 teams? Are you saying they should have more than 13 get in?

France is going to get in, I wouldn't worry too much about that. And if they can't beat Ireland, then they don't belong in the final anyway.

France is certainly better than Honduras, but you are right that FIFA wants the finals to be representative of the entire world and not just Europe. I mean, if you took just the top 32 teams in the FIFA rankings you'd have a very Euro heavy final. And besides, it's fun when a team like Honduras or Bahrain makes it, I think.

10/19/09
2
The lower groups have weird stuff just because from what I always felt was their not power house teams so for the world to enjoy the cup some can't be having 20 euro teams running around in the cup.  Once again good piece.

10/19/09
3
Btw this is exciting to see soccer talk here I hope this continues as we get closer to the cup!

10/19/09
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(Edited by Poli_)
I only talk football when the world Cup happens. One part of me would LOVE to see NZ in the World Cup...1982 all over again. but then a part of me does not want to see the beating we will endure

10/19/09
1
BluDevil wrote:
Yeah, that playoff between Asia and Oceania is similar to the CONCACAF vs CONMENBOL playoff. The tiebreaking rules should be just about the same.

Euro has more than 13 teams? Are you saying they should have more than 13 get in?

France is going to get in, I wouldn't worry too much about that. And if they can't beat Ireland, then they don't belong in the final anyway.

France is certainly better than Honduras, but you are right that FIFA wants the finals to be representative of the entire world and not just Europe. I mean, if you took just the top 32 teams in the FIFA rankings you'd have a very Euro heavy final. And besides, it's fun when a team like Honduras or Bahrain makes it, I think.
My mistake.  I missed that France is involved in the play in series.  Someone at work today told me that France didn't qualify.  I guess what he meant was that they didn't qualify by winning their group.

I would say that Europe ought to have more than 13, but I also lean towards FIFA's decision to make the tourny more world wide and less euro-centric.   When a "minnow" qualifies, it is actually pretty cool for that country.  

My thing is that in CONCACAF at least, after the USA and Mexico, the level of competition drops off.  And after then next one or two, it severely drops off.  3.5 teams seems a tad high to me.  But...  not that big a deal.

10/20/09
1
Outstanding article....  A clear and concise description of the process.  I consider myself a huge fan of soccer, but didn't know about the second phase of European qualifications.  Thanks!

10/20/09
1
i want only russia to qualify

10/21/09
0
Wow and I thought watching Canadian football was confusing...Soccer I meant to say football for us non Americans  is really confusing which is which soccer or football. All I know you hit the ball with your feet...well they do that in football I mean American football. OK  World Cup, is that the holy grail of football. I wonder if the Super Bowl would call theirs World cup. Would that mean each champion of each cup play each other? lol Go TEAM USA

10/21/09
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enycee_1999 wrote:
Wow and I thought watching Canadian football was confusing...Soccer I meant to say football for us non Americans  is really confusing which is which soccer or football. All I know you hit the ball with your feet...well they do that in football I mean American football. OK  World Cup, is that the holy grail of football. I wonder if the Super Bowl would call theirs World cup. Would that mean each champion of each cup play each other? lol Go TEAM USA
hi sweet ............

11/6/09
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ashokchaudhary007 wrote:
hi sweet ............
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