FanIQ News: Tiger Woods was scratched by wife Elin Nordegren, she also smashed his car with a golf club

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Jess wrote:

I understand that a lot of people are going to be shocked, and yea his wife should be ticked - but at the same time, physical abuse is not something to be taken lightly, whether the abuser is male or female. It just seems like I've seen a lot of comments about Tiger falling from grace, or how disappointed people are in him for cheating - that's neither here nor there. He shouldn't be the only bad guy here.

I've never cheated, but I've been cheated on. Yes, it sucked and I was devastated - but I just walked away. Any man who doesn't love and respect me enough to remain faithful isn't worth the effort it takes to swing a golf club. Maybe the whole "domestic violence" thing is a bit more serious in my eyes than cheating. Maybe people take it more lightly when the abuser is female for some reason. I just don't think that he should be painted out as the main bad guy here, is all. And like I said - if the shoe was on the other foot and the woman cheated in any case, and the guy beat her up, there would be hell to pay and he would be raked over the coals by both the law and media alike (as it should be in either case).

Balls at the right place in females make lots of difference to males to be partisan when they are ready to use the "chance' of using them.! Marriages get the tag broken because of this wayward tendency of possessing the admired balls atleast once at the cost of marriage.!

11/28/09

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Jess wrote:

I understand that a lot of people are going to be shocked, and yea his wife should be ticked - but at the same time, physical abuse is not something to be taken lightly, whether the abuser is male or female. It just seems like I've seen a lot of comments about Tiger falling from grace, or how disappointed people are in him for cheating - that's neither here nor there. He shouldn't be the only bad guy here.

I've never cheated, but I've been cheated on. Yes, it sucked and I was devastated - but I just walked away. Any man who doesn't love and respect me enough to remain faithful isn't worth the effort it takes to swing a golf club. Maybe the whole "domestic violence" thing is a bit more serious in my eyes than cheating. Maybe people take it more lightly when the abuser is female for some reason. I just don't think that he should be painted out as the main bad guy here, is all. And like I said - if the shoe was on the other foot and the woman cheated in any case, and the guy beat her up, there would be hell to pay and he would be raked over the coals by both the law and media alike (as it should be in either case).

Tiger is grace personified, humility is inbuilt in him, the incident has earned him more respect from all except those who respect balls at the right shapes,( artificial, or original,) places in females.!If it is phyisical violence from any one male or female of the marriage , it is sure way of getting out of the relationship if repeat occurs.At such violence staying away, even with a run is better than contributing to more violence.Jess, I appreciate very much, your views.

11/28/09

I_Bleed_Purple

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raja_starkglass wrote:

Balls at the right place in females make lots of difference to males to be partisan when they are ready to use the "chance' of using them.! Marriages get the tag broken because of this wayward tendency of possessing the admired balls atleast once at the cost of marriage.!

I know that he's from India, but can anyone decipher this for me? Is he talking about golf balls?

I totally agree with Jess. There is a double standard related to violence from women or it seems, cheating from men, as well. I too believe that violence is worse than cheating. Both are wrong, but like she said, beating the crap out of someone, either sex, isn't going to take the pain away, isn't going to make them stop, isn't going to fix anything and isn't going to undo the past. It only takes a bad situation and makes it worse. I honesty had not heard anything about his alleged affair until just now. But funny, I wonder why as I read this story, at first my guess was that she'd cheated?

11/28/09

myrna_ventura

0	Michael G wrote: Would've been ironic if he had been beaten to death with a golf club.....dontcha think? Think so

11/28/09

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Scott wrote:

While I agree that there are certainly double standards, I dont see how the focal point cant be that Tiger Woods cheated on his wife. Out of all the people in the world, Tiger Woods to me seems like the last person I would expect to do something like that. He's been thrust into the spotlight since he was at Stanford, we've seen him dominant the sport of golf and up until the past couple of days, we've very rarely heard a peep about any type of personal problems that he's had with his wife. To me, that's why the whole story being brought forth was so much of a shock. Seeing as how this is starting to unfold, it's looking more and more likely that he confirmed the story and his wife acted like I believe most wives would act. I've never been married but I cant imagine most wives in the heat of the moment would think clearly enough to not want to kick there SO's butt had they found out they were cheating, especially when something like the National Enquirer brings it to your attention

The focal point should not be his alleged affair. It's about time we stop making excuses for domestic violence. Domestic violence should not be tolerated. Her poor decision after Tiger's poor decision only made the situation for their children so much more worse.

11/28/09

suzanneclark12

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I_Bleed_Purple wrote:

I know that he's from India, but can anyone decipher this for me? Is he talking about golf balls?

I totally agree with Jess. There is a double standard related to violence from women or it seems, cheating from men, as well. I too believe that violence is worse than cheating. Both are wrong, but like she said, beating the crap out of someone, either sex, isn't going to take the pain away, isn't going to make them stop, isn't going to fix anything and isn't going to undo the past. It only takes a bad situation and makes it worse. I honesty had not heard anything about his alleged affair until just now. But funny, I wonder why as I read this story, at first my guess was that she'd cheated?

I think he meant Tiger has been trying out a new ball washer :-O

11/28/09

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Jess wrote:

I think it's kind of sad how Tiger turns out to be the bad guy here. Granted he's allegedly seeing another woman, that's no cause for his wife to resort to physical violence. Unhappy with something your spouse/SO has done to the point you want to scratch his face up or take a golf club to his car? Just leave. Get out. Any amount of physical damage you can do to him or his vehicle won't make him stop cheating and it won't go back in time and stop the incident(s) from happening.

So Tiger may be cheating on his wife - that's on him and yes it knocks him down a notch. But, I don't think that should be the focal point of this entire situation. If it was the other way around and Elin was cheating; if Tiger went after her, scratching up her face and following her escape with a golf club, his ass would be in jail...and for good reason. I just hate the double standard.

hm mm. Infidelity vs spousal abuse? and the double standard? he beats her up physically he gets charged, she beat him up and there are no charges.
he didn't charge her because he was trying to avoid press. She is looking to disgrace him..She succeeded.
and while its not right..this goes on ALL THE TIME IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. Media is paid to keep off a story.
I know of a QB with a stunning career and i think he is 40 yrs old and is having his best season ever.
This guy when off the field can't keep his pants on, his zipper is always unzipped and he sees a pair of women's legs spread, and he is pounding away. and the MEDIA knows all about this, they just don't report on this guy due to his popularity.
same goes for Gay NFL players, MLB players...the don't go near the story.
I have learned that these guys are just like any of us...always subject to bad decisions and rarely do we think about the end results of those bad decisions

11/28/09

blondie45044

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Thinkaboutit wrote:

The focal point should not be his alleged affair. It's about time we stop making excuses for domestic violence. Domestic violence should not be tolerated. Her poor decision after Tiger's poor decision only made the situation for their children so much more worse.

Approximately 1.3 million women and 835,000 men are physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually in the United States. These statistics might go up with today's interview with Florida Authorities. Yes Tiger cheated no reason to abuse the man, cut him off and kick him out. Abuse comes in many forms, I hope when they find out the real details there will be charges against the real abuser. Tiger does not have to press charges, the state should be able to do this.

11/28/09

grector

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I don't see how Tiger is the bad guy in this situation. If he is having an affair, it doesn't give his wife the right to abuse him. You all had a different outlook when Ryanna got beat up by Chris Brown, but when it's a woman being the aggressor you think it's ok. Abuse is never okay, regardless which sex is responsible. TMZ and You don't know what goes on behind closed doors. You and everyone else just love building up celebrities so that you can tear them down. I hate how everyone get their exercise by jumping to conclusions just because the media says it's true. Grow up!

11/28/09

Scott

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I'm certainly not making excuses for domestic violence. I'm just saying I think it's asking alot for any person to think clearly enough to just walk away and to not want to do or say something right then and there when they find out they've been cheated on. Would it be the right thing to do? Perhaps, but IMO I think it would be easier said then done, especially once the shock wears off after the truth is told.

11/28/09

mrward51

0	Well, Looks like tiger is gonna be living at the other house in Jupiter, cause I know shes not gonna give up the house in Islesworth..hahah LOL,,,Child Support gonna kick his arse.

11/28/09

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mrward51 wrote:

Well, Looks like tiger is gonna be living at the other house in Jupiter, cause I know shes not gonna give up the house in Islesworth..hahah LOL,,,Child Support gonna kick his arse.

There will be no divorce in the near future. Perpetrators of domestic violence generally have an unfavorable outcome when determining custody of the children. She will not push the issue. Some time down the road, maybe...but not now.

11/28/09

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Scott wrote:

I'm certainly not making excuses for domestic violence. I'm just saying I think it's asking alot for any person to think clearly enough to just walk away and to not want to do or say something right then and there when they find out they've been cheated on. Would it be the right thing to do? Perhaps, but IMO I think it would be easier said then done, especially once the shock wears off after the truth is told.

They both demonstrated a lack of impulse control and hopefully have learned from their mistakes.

11/28/09

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Scott wrote:

I'm certainly not making excuses for domestic violence. I'm just saying I think it's asking alot for any person to think clearly enough to just walk away and to not want to do or say something right then and there when they find out they've been cheated on. Would it be the right thing to do? Perhaps, but IMO I think it would be easier said then done, especially once the shock wears off after the truth is told.

When both are angry, passionate, stubborn to prove the point at any cost, about being "correct" it is better to one of the spouse to give time to calm down, then take up the issue, make it up, angry actions ruin best marriages.Love and regards, avoiding an issue is not solution, just as violent reactions.Sober minds find solutions to all issues with love and regards.

11/28/09

0	Thinkaboutit wrote: They both demonstrated a lack of impulse control and hopefully have learned from their mistakes. Thumbs up.!

11/28/09

ChiTown123

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I think its fair to assume that Elin was not trying to pull Tiger out of the car, but rather to inflict damage to his vehicle. Hence the back windshield instead of drivers door. The back was prolly the only place she could land clean shots as he rolled out.
I find it rather ironic that she was chasing him with a golf club (assume-ably his club) which is how he supports her and the family! hahah

Edit- NM, the TMZ article says she actually pulled him out of the SUV post-car abuse.

11/28/09

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blondie45044 wrote:

Approximately 1.3 million women and 835,000 men are physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually in the United States. These statistics might go up with today's interview with Florida Authorities. Yes Tiger cheated no reason to abuse the man, cut him off and kick him out. Abuse comes in many forms, I hope when they find out the real details there will be charges against the real abuser. Tiger does not have to press charges, the state should be able to do this.

i think ur stats have one HUGE FLAW...MEN rarely report getting beat up by their spouse, partner or female companion.
I would suggest from a LEGAL POINT OF VIEW...GUYS WAKE THER FUKC UP!!! REPORT THEM ASAP for they are only too glad to do the same if the situation is reversed...and THEY KNOW THEY HAVE THE COURTS ON THEIR SIDE....ONCE REPORTED...they are toast. for the first one to report is the one that gets the courts attention first.

11/28/09

lcsmills

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I'm no crime scene investigator but when I first heard that his wife had to break out the back window to get him out of the vehicle I doubted the story, He was apparently going less than 35 mph in a Cadillac Escalade, a very large vehicle. I don't see how all four doors were so damaged that they wouldn't open. TMZ's story seems alot more like the truth. At any rate, it's their business. Most of us men have been chased by a woman having a bad day at some point in our lives, she just happend to be carrying a weapon at the time.

11/28/09

leiacd

0	(Edited by leiacd) I believe his mother is from Thailand

11/28/09

ChiTown123

1	(Edited by ChiTown123) Word. Gotta watch out for the insane ones that drink a cup of crazy every morning!!

11/28/09

bulls5

0	Wow I guess Tiger isn't perfect after all.......

11/28/09

knucklebuster

0	Don't Monday morning quarterback this story,because we all knew sometime or another his wife wouldn't let the "cat" aka; Tiger out of the bag and play without paying down the road .Her supreme desire from him is his cash and all his holdings .hope he has a pre-nup?

11/28/09

ChiTown123

0	Wow what a sadistic viewpoint. Has any proof been provided to support this infidelity claim? I don't recall any mention of Elin actually hitting Tig with a golf club, maybe I missed it?

11/28/09

Helen

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Jess wrote:

I think it's kind of sad how Tiger turns out to be the bad guy here. Granted he's allegedly seeing another woman, that's no cause for his wife to resort to physical violence. Unhappy with something your spouse/SO has done to the point you want to scratch his face up or take a golf club to his car? Just leave. Get out. Any amount of physical damage you can do to him or his vehicle won't make him stop cheating and it won't go back in time and stop the incident(s) from happening.

So Tiger may be cheating on his wife - that's on him and yes it knocks him down a notch. But, I don't think that should be the focal point of this entire situation. If it was the other way around and Elin was cheating; if Tiger went after her, scratching up her face and following her escape with a golf club, his ass would be in jail...and for good reason. I just hate the double standard.

If it's true and he did cheat on his wife, he is the bad guy here. Her reaction to it, if true, is bad as well. I agree that physical violence is not the solution to any problems. I see the double standard you are referring to but I also see the double standard in expecting her to be the one to just walk away if she is unhappy with her spouse. He should have walked away first when he decided he wasn't going to honor his commitment to her. So there are double standards all over the place.

If all of this from the media is true, then she should have taken legal steps to remove herself and her children from a man who has no interest in being in monogamous relationship. And he should have removed himself if he didn't want to be in one before he cheated.

The focal point should be the children and neither one seemed to be thinking of them in their "heat of passion".

Like most bad situations that involve a "public" personality, this will rage out of control like a wildfire leaving destruction in it's wake. Just don't forget who lit the match.

11/28/09

zzj000

0	(Edited by zzj000) Well DUH......It didnt take a rocket scientist to know there is way more to the story than what was being "Intentionally Misreported" yesterday. Assuming this is true what TMZ is reporting (and it makes way more sense than anything heard yesterday), then I feel sorry for their little girl.

11/28/09

MrOrangeman

0	Who would have thought that Tiger would end up just being a dog?

11/28/09

ChristiSunshine

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Helen wrote:

If it's true and he did cheat on his wife, he is the bad guy here. Her reaction to it, if true, is bad as well. I agree that physical violence is not the solution to any problems. I see the double standard you are referring to but I also see the double standard in expecting her to be the one to just walk away if she is unhappy with her spouse. He should have walked away first when he decided he wasn't going to honor his commitment to her. So there are double standards all over the place.

If all of this from the media is true, then she should have taken legal steps to remove herself and her children from a man who has no interest in being in monogamous relationship. And he should have removed himself if he didn't want to be in one before he cheated.

The focal point should be the children and neither one seemed to be thinking of them in their "heat of passion".

Like most bad situations that involve a "public" personality, this will rage out of control like a wildfire leaving destruction in it's wake. Just don't forget who lit the match.

I agree, Helen.

11/28/09

CowboyFan1

2	It is easy for us on the outside to say he did,she didn't,he didn't but she did,etc... but as in most marriages no one other than the 2 involved will ever know the real truth. When adults (loosely use the term) get into such a disagreement where there is violence---KID/S are the LAST thing on their minds.

11/28/09

redberrydestin

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CowboyFan1 wrote:

It is easy for us on the outside to say he did,she didn't,he didn't but she did,etc... but as in most marriages no one other than the 2 involved will ever know the real truth.
When adults (loosely use the term) get into such a disagreement where there is violence---KID/S are the LAST thing on their minds.

I agree with you. The thought of their children seeing this is so so sad.

11/28/09

Drummer99

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When I first heard about this on the news, they said 'he was backing out at about 30 mph, at 2:30am???' that raised red flags all over the place. Maybe both had a little to much Thanksgiving wine? then before you know it, wife Woods gets the nerve up to ask.... "Whats going on!?!" .... next day, we hear and see the results. I'm not sure Tiger was cheating or not, if so, did somebody tell her that? a so called 'friend'.... if he did cheat, sometimes the famous think they can do things and get away with it, makes them feel they can do anything. In the mean time, I need more proof than a scratched face, a broken fire hydrant and smashed tree. That can just be a fight... about anything, who knows.

11/28/09

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Although marital infidelity is surely a serious offence, I am completely in agreement with Jess here. All Erin had to do was separate herself from him. I'm not saying she had to leave the home, I'm positive it has more than one room. I HAVE been cheated on, and I was able to walk away. There was no yelling, no hitting, punching, scratching or abuse of a vehicle or property. Did I want to? Certainly, but physical abuse of a human being or property is so much more serious than infidelity in my mind.

The issue. however, is one between Tiger and his wife. Whether he is a public figure or not, I don't believe that gives us the right to have a window into his bedroom. If the authorities feel charges should be filed against Tider or his wife, they will file them. What we think about it shouldn't enter into the situation, at all. Just my opinion.

11/28/09

0	are there any more people who realize this. seriously, TMZ, big gossip news story that will bring ratings, TMZ, put two and two together, this may or may not be true but TMZ doesn't confirm anything

11/28/09

p_w86

0	It doesn't matter at all if she caused this facial lacerations she should be charged with domestic abuse PERIOD Im glad he didnt hit her

11/28/09

mnstar1959

0	Earl must be spinning in his grave.

11/28/09

ryeguy

0	Looks like the shine is off Tiger and he is just like everyone else, normal.

11/28/09

Drummer99

0	There is no way someone in the limelight like Tiger is going to get 'privacy' people will always want to know what happens to famous, rock, movie and sports stars. Its been like that for about 100 years, newspapers have always known that, it makes money. Radio and Television magnified it.

11/28/09

0	Drummer99 wrote: There is no way someone in the limelight like Tiger is going to get 'privacy' people will always want to know what happens to famous, rock, movie and sports stars. Its been like that for about 100 years, newspapers have always known that, it makes money. Radio and Television magnified it. Doesn't make it right, in my opinion, although I acknowledge you are correct.

11/28/09

Drummer99

1	JrCanuckFan wrote: Doesn't make it right, in my opinion, although I acknowledge you are correct. No, it doesnt make it right, but, the media is cruel. They dont even care if kids are involved. Especially the gossip entertainment news, its superficial and selfish.

11/28/09

pizzlewizzle

0	(Edited by Pat) Hell hath no fury... That's why I stay away from blondes!

11/28/09

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Drummer99 wrote:

No, it doesnt make it right, but, the media is cruel. They dont even care if kids are involved. Especially the gossip entertainment news, its superficial and selfish.

I was talking to my neighbor about this...and he has worked damn near full time to keep himself, and his family out of the 24 hour news cycle. His middle son, failed the lesson in Jan 09...DUI and driving the wrong way on a one way street here in Charolettsville Va.
Howie confronted the story immediately to get Kyle out of the 24 hour news cycle...and the fastest way to kille a story according to Howie Long, is just tell the story as it is...and it then dies on its own. but to fabricated a story or mis lead on a story..the truth eventually comes out..and only keeps the story and the people in the story in the media.
I doubt Kyle Long will ever drive while having even a few beers.

11/28/09

Jess

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Helen wrote:

If it's true and he did cheat on his wife, he is the bad guy here. Her reaction to it, if true, is bad as well. I agree that physical violence is not the solution to any problems. I see the double standard you are referring to but I also see the double standard in expecting her to be the one to just walk away if she is unhappy with her spouse. He should have walked away first when he decided he wasn't going to honor his commitment to her. So there are double standards all over the place.

If all of this from the media is true, then she should have taken legal steps to remove herself and her children from a man who has no interest in being in monogamous relationship. And he should have removed himself if he didn't want to be in one before he cheated.

The focal point should be the children and neither one seemed to be thinking of them in their "heat of passion".

Like most bad situations that involve a "public" personality, this will rage out of control like a wildfire leaving destruction in it's wake. Just don't forget who lit the match.

Oh don't get me wrong - I don't think cheating is ok by any means. If he did it, then he's very much in the wrong as well. I just don't think that people are being fair by overlooking domestic abuse. Perhaps my wording was incorrect - I don't believe Tiger's the only bad guy.

Maybe people are just shocked because Tiger cheated on his wife and he's been on a pedestal all these years. I gotta say...I'm not so shocked. I never held him in that "perfect" regard...everyone has skeletons in their closet; some are just better at hiding them than others.

This is a sad sad situation, and I feel horrible for the children. I even feel bad for Elin, but I don't think that violence is ever justified unless it's in self defense or in defense of your loved ones if you/they are in physical danger.

11/28/09

maddhatter6691

1	AMAZING THIS HAPPENS EVEYDAY IN EVERY TOWN, WEATHER OR NOT HE CHEATED SHE NEEDS 2 KEEP HER HAND OFF HIM . DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WORKS BOTH WAYS IN MY STATE

11/28/09

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(Edited by idahoproducer)

Why is this being spun into domestic violence perpetrated by her? Is it possible that our beloved Tiger Woods deserved to get his ass kicked for cheating on and humiliating his wife? Look, you and I don't know the facts, as this is still all speculation. You and I have NO idea what it is like for her to be married in such a vacuum as the Tiger Woods show. She is held to a higher standard than most all.

What if he's a relational manipulator in this instance? I bet he would be good at twisting the truth if that was his game concerning this situation, the alleged affair. Let me ask you - What if someone called Tiger's wife a whore in front of him? Tiger might, as most men would, deck someone with such a big mouth. If Tiger cheats on his wife, is he not publicly calling her a whore? That is, not worthy of keeping a committment to honor in sickness and in health, especially considering all the BS she has to put up with to be proud to be married to such a stand-up guy?

Is it possible that after another evening of listening to lies and manipulative spins to make her feel less than, she went after her teammate? So frustrated, she hated him (love, inverted) for a moment in time enough to go after him.? Is Tiger not a Master at the art of mental provocation?

11/28/09

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maddhatter6691 wrote:

AMAZING THIS HAPPENS EVEYDAY IN EVERY TOWN, WEATHER OR NOT HE CHEATED SHE NEEDS 2 KEEP HER HAND OFF HIM . DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WORKS BOTH WAYS IN MY STATE

well, your WRONG..it only works one way...and not in favour of the abused male. the courts are not serious about female abusers. most of them LIE..most of them will say anything to look like the victim.
IT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR MEN WHO ARE ABUSED TO REPORT IT TO THE POLICE ASAP. FOR WITHOUT BEING FIRST, THERE IS NO SECOND PLACE. SECOND PLACE IS FOR THE PERSON CALLED LOSER and the WRATH OF GOD AND THE COURTS COME TUMBLING DOWN ON HIM

11/28/09

Pat

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idahoproducer wrote:

Why is this being spun into domestic violence perpetrated by her? Is it possible that our beloved Tiger Woods deserved to get his ass kicked for cheating on and humiliating his wife? Look, you and I don't know the facts, as this is still all speculation. You and I have NO idea what it is like for her to be married in such a vacuum as the Tiger Woods show. She is held to a higher standard than most all.

What if he's a relational manipulator in this instance? I bet he would be good at twisting the truth if that was his game concerning this situation, the alleged affair. Let me ask you - What if someone called Tiger's wife a whore in front of him? Tiger might, as most men would, deck someone with such a big mouth. If Tiger cheats on his wife, is he not publicly calling her a whore? That is, not worthy of keeping a committment to honor in sickness and in health, especially considering all the BS she has to put up with to be proud to be married to such a stand-up guy?

Is it possible that after another evening of listening to lies and manipulative spins to make her feel less than, she went after her teammate? So frustrated, she hated him (love, inverted) for a moment in time enough to go after him.? Is Tiger not a Master at the art of mental provocation?

No one deserves to be assaulted. Period. There is no way around it, you are wrong about that one.

Imagine if a woman cheated on her husband, and he scratched up her face and smashed her car with a golf club while she was in it. That guy would be in jail. Period.

You clearly have no grasp whatsoever of the law. If she indeed attacked him and his car, she's wrong, and it's illegal. Case closed. If you want to get back at someone for cheating, then get a divorce and take his money. End of discussion.

11/28/09

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Pat wrote:

No one deserves to be assaulted. Period. There is no way around it, you are wrong about that one.

Imagine if a woman cheated on her husband, and he scratched up her face and smashed her car with a golf club while she was in it. That guy would be in jail. Period.

You clearly have no grasp whatsoever of the law. If she indeed attacked him and his car, she's wrong, and it's illegal. Case closed. If you want to get back at someone for cheating, then get a divorce and take his money. End of discussion.

Well said Pat!!

11/28/09

jxnsteelersfan

0	Boski93 wrote: Well just like Ty Webb, Tigers alleged "night putting" has lead to some difficulty at home. Oh, this is cold, lol!

11/28/09

jxnsteelersfan

1	You guys are cracking me up! Although some of the comments are a bit funny, I agree that domestic violence, whether committed by a man or woman, is a serious matter. I applaud Tiger for walking away to avoid further physical confrontation. I just hate the incident opened the door and allowed the media to be further in their business. I pray they are able to work through it and get back on track.

11/28/09

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idahoproducer wrote:

Why is this being spun into domestic violence perpetrated by her? Is it possible that our beloved Tiger Woods deserved to get his ass kicked for cheating on and humiliating his wife? Look, you and I don't know the facts, as this is still all speculation. You and I have NO idea what it is like for her to be married in such a vacuum as the Tiger Woods show. She is held to a higher standard than most all.

What if he's a relational manipulator in this instance? I bet he would be good at twisting the truth if that was his game concerning this situation, the alleged affair. Let me ask you - What if someone called Tiger's wife a whore in front of him? Tiger might, as most men would, deck someone with such a big mouth. If Tiger cheats on his wife, is he not publicly calling her a whore? That is, not worthy of keeping a committment to honor in sickness and in health, especially considering all the BS she has to put up with to be proud to be married to such a stand-up guy?

Is it possible that after another evening of listening to lies and manipulative spins to make her feel less than, she went after her teammate? So frustrated, she hated him (love, inverted) for a moment in time enough to go after him.? Is Tiger not a Master at the art of mental provocation?

Hmmmmm Idaho fiction writer might be a more appropriate name. You certainly have a very vivid imagination.

11/28/09

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JrCanuckFan wrote:

Hmmmmm Idaho fiction writer might be a more appropriate name. You certainly have a very vivid imagination.

Thank you JrCanuckFan. Just a theory. I wonder, do you think she has been abusing him, or that this is an isolated incident? Do you think it's possible she attacked him in his sleep, and instead of reacting he tried to get out of the house, and she chased him with a golf club sitting in the garage?

We all know Tiger as being the most composed man alive. I wonder how many people are working on this thing right now? How many attorneys, advisors, network heads, political sorts and whoever else do you think he has retained?

11/28/09

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idahoproducer wrote:

Thank you JrCanuckFan. Just a theory. I wonder, do you think she has been abusing him, or that this is an isolated incident? Do you think it's possible she attacked him in his sleep, and instead of reacting he tried to get out of the house, and she chased him with a golf club sitting in the garage?

We all know Tiger as being the most composed man alive. I wonder how many people are working on this thing right now? How many attorneys, advisors, network heads, political sorts and whoever else do you think he has retained?

I think it's none of my business or yours. Whatever has or is happening in their home is up to them to deal with, not you or I. If the police need to be involved, it still is a matter between Tiger, Elin and the police, not the general public.

11/28/09

blondie45044

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If if she popped him in the mouth with her first swing, would that be a “hole in one”?

On a more serious note, I think that domestic violence is wrong. Hope this all gets put to bed soon so to speak.

I hope the kids are not being put through a bunch of fighting and arguing. Kids are smart and do pick up on parents being upset. Prayers to all involved. I hope they can stay together and move on, or end it but whichever the case I hope they consider what is best for the kids.

The thing I am wondering about, I know most of his contracts are safe but I am sure there is a clause about embarrassing the companies he represents. I know he does not need the money, just wondering if some of the smaller companies will end his contracts.

11/28/09

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JrCanuckFan wrote:

I think it's none of my business or yours. Whatever has or is happening in their home is up to them to deal with, not you or I. If the police need to be involved, it still is a matter between Tiger, Elin and the police, not the general public.

You know, you're right. But it was either participate in what I believe to be healthy speculative debate, or internet porn. You're right. This is none of our business.

11/28/09

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JrCanuckFan wrote:

I think it's none of my business or yours. Whatever has or is happening in their home is up to them to deal with, not you or I. If the police need to be involved, it still is a matter between Tiger, Elin and the police, not the general public.

You know, you're right. But it was either participate in what I believe to be healthy speculative debate, or internet porn. You're right. This is none of our business.

11/28/09

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idahoproducer wrote:

Why is this being spun into domestic violence perpetrated by her? Is it possible that our beloved Tiger Woods deserved to get his ass kicked for cheating on and humiliating his wife? Look, you and I don't know the facts, as this is still all speculation. You and I have NO idea what it is like for her to be married in such a vacuum as the Tiger Woods show. She is held to a higher standard than most all.

What if he's a relational manipulator in this instance? I bet he would be good at twisting the truth if that was his game concerning this situation, the alleged affair. Let me ask you - What if someone called Tiger's wife a whore in front of him? Tiger might, as most men would, deck someone with such a big mouth. If Tiger cheats on his wife, is he not publicly calling her a whore? That is, not worthy of keeping a committment to honor in sickness and in health, especially considering all the BS she has to put up with to be proud to be married to such a stand-up guy?

Is it possible that after another evening of listening to lies and manipulative spins to make her feel less than, she went after her teammate? So frustrated, she hated him (love, inverted) for a moment in time enough to go after him.? Is Tiger not a Master at the art of mental provocation?

this doesn't sound like speculation...or even related to the tiger story
sounds like someone has some experience in domestic abuse...

11/28/09

blondie45044

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robnoros wrote:

i think ur stats have one HUGE FLAW...MEN rarely report getting beat up by their spouse, partner or female companion.
I would suggest from a LEGAL POINT OF VIEW...GUYS WAKE THER FUKC UP!!! REPORT THEM ASAP for they are only too glad to do the same if the situation is reversed...and THEY KNOW THEY HAVE THE COURTS ON THEIR SIDE....ONCE REPORTED...they are toast. for the first one to report is the one that gets the courts attention first.

I think your correct, most men would not admit to being smacked around by their woman.
I also think your totally correct in stating SPEAK UP and turn them woman in. Domestic violence is wrong, either way.
I also think your correct about stats, if men do not admit to being abused, stats will never be correct. well spoken thanks.
But I also believe it is wrong I do not disagree there!

11/28/09

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(Edited by idahoproducer)

No Mr. Warrior. Just a counter point in that most of the opinions rendered here are speaking to domestic violence, which may have absolutely nothing to do with what happened here. No information has been presented, only speculation. But yet the debate is holding her culpable. For all we know, he hit his head on the steering wheel and his wife had to knock out the back window to save her husband. WE HAVE NO FACTS, SO NO THEORY IS WRONG!!! Tomorrow, maybe we will get some of the story. But today, WE AIN'T GOT SQUAT TO GO ON!!!

11/28/09

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Jess wrote:

Oh don't get me wrong - I don't think cheating is ok by any means. If he did it, then he's very much in the wrong as well. I just don't think that people are being fair by overlooking domestic abuse. Perhaps my wording was incorrect - I don't believe Tiger's the only bad guy.

Maybe people are just shocked because Tiger cheated on his wife and he's been on a pedestal all these years. I gotta say...I'm not so shocked. I never held him in that "perfect" regard...everyone has skeletons in their closet; some are just better at hiding them than others.

This is a sad sad situation, and I feel horrible for the children. I even feel bad for Elin, but I don't think that violence is ever justified unless it's in self defense or in defense of your loved ones if you/they are in physical danger.

If you can afford to eat out them you must be prepared to pay the bill He simply got caught!

11/28/09

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blondie45044 wrote:

I think your correct, most men would not admit to being smacked around by their woman.
I also think your totally correct in stating SPEAK UP and turn them woman in. Domestic violence is wrong, either way.
I also think your correct about stats, if men do not admit to being abused, stats will never be correct. well spoken thanks.
But I also believe it is wrong I do not disagree there!

thank you..i spend an amazing amount of time in court...and as i go about getting to the court room i need to be in, i hear guys telling their attorney's SHE HIT ME FIRST.
i think women who hit do so for completely different reasons then a man who hits...i think the women has emotional issues that have never been dealt with from her childhood.
i man who hits, has been taught to hit either by watching his father hit his mother OR he has been beaten himself. and most men who have been beaten as kids...most learn to break the cycle...
its a hidden issue here in the USA. and all very sad and most of the time, a family is never healed after a round in court.

11/28/09

cuddles127017

0	I will play the wait and see game.

11/29/09

vanillacrm

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Jess wrote:

Oh don't get me wrong - I don't think cheating is ok by any means. If he did it, then he's very much in the wrong as well. I just don't think that people are being fair by overlooking domestic abuse. Perhaps my wording was incorrect - I don't believe Tiger's the only bad guy.

Maybe people are just shocked because Tiger cheated on his wife and he's been on a pedestal all these years. I gotta say...I'm not so shocked. I never held him in that "perfect" regard...everyone has skeletons in their closet; some are just better at hiding them than others.

This is a sad sad situation, and I feel horrible for the children. I even feel bad for Elin, but I don't think that violence is ever justified unless it's in self defense or in defense of your loved ones if you/they are in physical danger.

People seem to forget it doesn't matter how much or how little money or fame we are all human. Famous people have more temptation thrown at them. I'm not surprised. When people said tiger got in a crash by home at 2 am the first thing I thought fight, cheating on the wife. I think women should be just that not a barbarian. If a man cheated on me the love is gone and there is no need to be there any longer you walk away. What do you gain out of beating on someone. She obviously wasn't making the home what it should be then chances are the eye won't wander.

11/29/09

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idahoproducer wrote:

No Mr. Warrior. Just a counter point in that most of the opinions rendered here are speaking to domestic violence, which may have absolutely nothing to do with what happened here. No information has been presented, only speculation. But yet the debate is holding her culpable. For all we know, he hit his head on the steering wheel and his wife had to knock out the back window to save her husband. WE HAVE NO FACTS, SO NO THEORY IS WRONG!!! Tomorrow, maybe we will get some of the story. But today, WE AIN'T GOT SQUAT TO GO ON!!!

wasn't what i was getting at...you seemed to get a little to 'into' that speculation that hypothetical 'tiger' cheated and manipulated his hypothetical 'wife' and was "master of the art of mental provocation" or does "after another evening of listening to lies and manipulative spins to make her feel less than, she went after her teammate? So frustrated, she hated him" seem to be a little too much for someone to see based on a couple words based on TMZ, does that story or 'speculation' even sound like it's not a self narrative?
i don't think your 'speculations' on tiger woods are accurate or even pertinent

11/29/09

suzanneclark12

1	Michael G wrote: Would've been ironic if he had been beaten to death with a golf club.....dontcha think? Callaway Big Bertha?

11/29/09

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(Edited by raja_starkglass)

Well said, media lives with creating issues and of course they will not "report" if it is about Tigers' wife.! Men and women in media love sensationalizing news breaking being the first to be doing so.!
Also considerable fanatic followers can take laws in to their own hands to extend mob justice in many cases where celebrity legends are involved in immoral acts with impunity.!

11/29/09

Helen

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Domestic abuse is when the perpetrator, be it man, woman, parent or child of an elderly person, uses physical, emotional and mental abusive behavior toward their victim for the sole purpose of having total control over them. There is little or no provocation for the attacks, the only purpose is to make the victim submissive and the perpetrator feel dominant and in total control over the victim. It's sick, twisted and should be dealt with harshly.

If this did happen as reported and it is an isolated incident, then I wouldn't put the domestic abuse label on it. I'd call it a pissed off wife who found out her husband was cheating and reacted out of hurt and anger. Not everyone is capable of taking the high road when confronted with a cheating spouse. She should be held responsible for her actions, but not crucified.

Like I said, it's the kids who will suffer the most regardless of the outcome.

11/29/09

suzanneclark12

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Jess wrote:

I think it's kind of sad how Tiger turns out to be the bad guy here. Granted he's allegedly seeing another woman, that's no cause for his wife to resort to physical violence. Unhappy with something your spouse/SO has done to the point you want to scratch his face up or take a golf club to his car? Just leave. Get out. Any amount of physical damage you can do to him or his vehicle won't make him stop cheating and it won't go back in time and stop the incident(s) from happening.

So Tiger may be cheating on his wife - that's on him and yes it knocks him down a notch. But, I don't think that should be the focal point of this entire situation. If it was the other way around and Elin was cheating; if Tiger went after her, scratching up her face and following her escape with a golf club, his ass would be in jail...and for good reason. I just hate the double standard.

Its sad that all you people are making so much ado about nothing...TMZ?..cmon..the new gossip purveyor and smut tabloid trying to make a name for themselves have come up with something no one else seems to know anything about but they have ' insider knowledge'..PLEASE..Id sooner believe Stars last tabloid about the Mother who ate her Martian offspring!!

11/29/09

BluDevil

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Scott wrote:

While I agree that there are certainly double standards, I dont see how the focal point cant be that Tiger Woods cheated on his wife. Out of all the people in the world, Tiger Woods to me seems like the last person I would expect to do something like that. He's been thrust into the spotlight since he was at Stanford, we've seen him dominant the sport of golf and up until the past couple of days, we've very rarely heard a peep about any type of personal problems that he's had with his wife. To me, that's why the whole story being brought forth was so much of a shock. Seeing as how this is starting to unfold, it's looking more and more likely that he confirmed the story and his wife acted like I believe most wives would act. I've never been married but I cant imagine most wives in the heat of the moment would think clearly enough to not want to kick there SO's butt had they found out they were cheating, especially when something like the National Enquirer brings it to your attention

Agreed, when a woman finds out her SO has been cheating I'd expect face scratches and a busted up car to be the minimum.

11/29/09

BluDevil

0	So how long until Tiger comes out and flat out denies this entire report? I'm betting before I can finish typing this....

11/29/09

0	Tiger drives well on the golf course maybe not so good on the road.

12/1/09

sab_pra

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Helen wrote:

If it's true and he did cheat on his wife, he is the bad guy here. Her reaction to it, if true, is bad as well. I agree that physical violence is not the solution to any problems. I see the double standard you are referring to but I also see the double standard in expecting her to be the one to just walk away if she is unhappy with her spouse. He should have walked away first when he decided he wasn't going to honor his commitment to her. So there are double standards all over the place.

If all of this from the media is true, then she should have taken legal steps to remove herself and her children from a man who has no interest in being in monogamous relationship. And he should have removed himself if he didn't want to be in one before he cheated.

The focal point should be the children and neither one seemed to be thinking of them in their "heat of passion".

Like most bad situations that involve a "public" personality, this will rage out of control like a wildfire leaving destruction in it's wake. Just don't forget who lit the match.

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12/7/09

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hapkido_warrior wrote:

wasn't what i was getting at...you seemed to get a little to 'into' that speculation that hypothetical 'tiger' cheated and manipulated his hypothetical 'wife' and was "master of the art of mental provocation" or does "after another evening of listening to lies and manipulative spins to make her feel less than, she went after her teammate? So frustrated, she hated him" seem to be a little too much for someone to see based on a couple words based on TMZ, does that story or 'speculation' even sound like it's not a self narrative?
i don't think your 'speculations' on tiger woods are accurate or even pertinent

How my speculations pertaining to Tiger shaping up, Mr Warrior??

12/8/09

0	Played the back 9 HELL what's next

12/8/09

0	idahoproducer wrote: How my speculations pertaining to Tiger shaping up, Mr Warrior?? not great.

12/8/09

0	hapkido_warrior wrote: not great. Yeah.. With all those women coming to the surface.. And Lord knows he ain't denying any of it.. I'm sure he was always real straight forward and honest with his Wife

12/9/09

0	A true golfer played the back 9 now pared the10---11--and12 on his way home way home

12/10/09

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idahoproducer wrote:

Yeah.. With all those women coming to the surface.. And Lord knows he ain't denying any of it..
I'm sure he was always real straight forward and honest with his Wife

exactly, he wasn't a 'master of mental provocation' twisting his story and her words evening after evening or whatever nonsense you said.
he wasn't honest but i don't think he came out straight every night lying, he just didn't bring it up, it's tough living on the road on tournaments away from the family all the time.

12/12/09

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hapkido_warrior wrote:

exactly, he wasn't a 'master of mental provocation' twisting his story and her words evening after evening or whatever nonsense you said.
he wasn't honest but i don't think he came out straight every night lying, he just didn't bring it up, it's tough living on the road on tournaments away from the family all the time.

Article taken off the news wire

"But several sources close to the couple tell PEOPLE Nordegren, 29, was genuinely shocked by her husband's reported infidelities, and is now in deep discussions with him to see if their marriage can be saved. “She loves him and she is totally devastated over learning of his philandering,” one source close to Nordegren says. “She honestly did not know he was cheating on her.”

The same source says Nordegren questioned Woods about rumors that he was having affairs, but believed his denials. "It is sort of sad that all of the golfers knew about Tiger’s cheating throughout his marriage while poor Elin believed his lies when he told her he was not seeing any other women when on the road for days at a time,” the source says. "Now that it has hit her over the head, she is going to make the best decision for her and the kids.”

This was an article taken from People Magazine. I'm not sure if it is true, but it's what makes most sense to me considering the circumstances.

If I believe that while he was on the road they talked on the phone, daily, in the evening or otherwise, I would think he would tell his wife he was either going to bed or going to have a drink or dinner with some other golfers, or media sorts, or other famous people or athletes. My feeling is many people knew of Tiger's philandering, even as they were looking Elin straight in the eye, knowing that Tiger had just been hooking up with one of at least 10 other women. But, I believe we can all agree that the number of girls is most certainly a much higher number.

I believe he twisted all sorts of words. I can agree to disagree with you, that poor him, it's tough living on the road, away from his family.   But I really don't understand this point you made... "He didn't lie.. He just didn't bring it up.."

I am saddened by the amount of parents who used Tiger as their example for helping raise their children to be respectable. Athletes may not believe that it is their responsibility to adhere to a code of moral ethics in said situation. But admittedly, there are 3 stories that have devastated me in the last 15 years:
OJ, Clinton, and Tiger. And because of his enormous international fame, I am just floored by Tiger, especially. Thanks to Fan IQ, and people like you HW, for providing a forum in which I could resolve my anger and genuine pain concerning said situation... As I have found this all to be emotionally devastating, as I try to look at things through other peoples eyes. It really hasn't been mentioned, but... How do you think his Mom feels?   Have a good weekend, Mr. Warrior. And again, thanks for helping me talk this out

12/14/09

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hapkido_warrior wrote:

exactly, he wasn't a 'master of mental provocation' twisting his story and her words evening after evening or whatever nonsense you said.
he wasn't honest but i don't think he came out straight every night lying, he just didn't bring it up, it's tough living on the road on tournaments away from the family all the time.

sorry, i'm not reading that. far too long, too many facts. no, clearly my unsupported statements are far more valid. just check the source- me

12/14/09

0	hapkido_warrior wrote: sorry, i'm not reading that. far too long, too many facts. no, clearly my unsupported statements are far more valid. just check the source- me LOL ! Merry Christmas to you and yours, and a prosperous New Year! !

12/15/09

tzirvelc

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Will you all just let it go. He knows what he did and he's dealing with the consequences. It's not easy being in the spot light. He's the number 1 golfer at the moment, the guy is on top of the world. His wife probably isn't as passionate as golf and in the bedroom as he is and so over time this weighs heavy and takes its toll. I'm sure his appetite for indoor activities wasn't at all projected in hurting his family. He got caught and now everything he didn't realise is coming into perspective. Just don't judge him because you all at some stage felt lust and desire in your own hearts. It's human nature. I fell sorry that he got married young. He probably did have great values and got married with the right intentions but what got to him was the lack of experience dealing with different women and the sex department. Get a life you lot... "Tiger you are a great sportsman and a normal male." As for the religious side of things, what he did is a dilemma he and and God have to sort out....so again....let it go!

12/20/09

sainawkham18

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Helen wrote:

If it's true and he did cheat on his wife, he is the bad guy here. Her reaction to it, if true, is bad as well. I agree that physical violence is not the solution to any problems. I see the double standard you are referring to but I also see the double standard in expecting her to be the one to just walk away if she is unhappy with her spouse. He should have walked away first when he decided he wasn't going to honor his commitment to her. So there are double standards all over the place.

If all of this from the media is true, then she should have taken legal steps to remove herself and her children from a man who has no interest in being in monogamous relationship. And he should have removed himself if he didn't want to be in one before he cheated.

The focal point should be the children and neither one seemed to be thinking of them in their "heat of passion".

Like most bad situations that involve a "public" personality, this will rage out of control like a wildfire leaving destruction in it's wake. Just don't forget who lit the match.

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12/20/09

GeneCowboy4life

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CowboyFan1 wrote:

It is easy for us on the outside to say he did,she didn't,he didn't but she did,etc... but as in most marriages no one other than the 2 involved will ever know the real truth.
When adults (loosely use the term) get into such a disagreement where there is violence---KID/S are the LAST thing on their minds.

How about them cowboys beating those saints 24-17 great game GO COWBOYS!!!!!

12/20/09

GeneCowboy4life

0	myrna_ventura wrote: Think so How are you, where are you ??

12/21/09

0	Time for a new story Put this one to rest Seperation Divorce starting to sound like a real soap opera

12/23/09

amiturfnd

0	sainawkham18 wrote: hello how are you i am in myanmar but who are you

12/23/09

mnstar1959

0	ronandgoy wrote: Time for a new story Put this one to rest Seperation Divorce starting to sound like a real soap opera Sounds like really life to real people............

12/23/09

ckillorin

0	mnstar1959 wrote: Sounds like really life to real people............ yep

12/23/09