FanIQ News: Tony Dungy says that Tim Tebow will be a great NFL QB

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elevenbravo138again wrote:

It should noted that few NFL coaches: Paul Brown, Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, [the son of a famous scout], amongst them are actually astute judges of collegiate talent. Most coaches in the hyper-specialized current NFL just don't know much about talent evaluation.

I agree 110% elevenbravo. Most head coaches aren't good talent evaluators beyond their area of expertise. Besides, who were Dungy's quaterbacks at Tampa Bay??

10/30/09

1	Tony Dungy was a great head coach, had a superior defensive mind, and inspired intense loyalty from his players. However, most junior high teams ran a more sophisticated offense than they had while he was at Tampa Bay. Pardon me, but I'll pass on any offensive suggestions my man Tony gives.

10/30/09

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100%InjuryRate wrote:

I'm in agreement that the only way he makes it in the NFL is as a TE. His arm motion is horrible, he's not very accurate, and he can't throw a tight spiral to save his life. He's also not that fast, in reality. Screw being a winner. That means jack in the NFL.

Not to mention if anyone tries to use him in the wildcat he'll be injured by Week 2. NFL is a whole different ballgame.

I will give you the fact that he does not have the beat mechanics and sometimes throws a duck ( all things that can be fixed BTW) but to say he is not accurate is ridiculous. Here are his career stats.

GP Rate Att Comp % YDS TD INT

Totals

48

177.9

813

532

65.4

7550

75

15

I am sorry but a career 65.4% completion % is very accurate.

Here is Sam Bradford's #s
    ATT            Comp             %              Yds            Td              INT             Rating
893              604                67.6         8,403          88               16          175.06

Here is McCoy's #s
    GP    Rating    Att       YD      %       Yds     TD   INT

39

158.25

1175

825

70.2

9732

85

33

For two guys who play in a No defiance league and play in a pass happy system their numbers are not that much better then Tebow's. Tebow has a better QB rating then both of them and has thrown less INT the both of them.

The Bottom line is that these three guys for the past three years have been the best in collage football and no one knows for sure how they will do in the NFL just ask the Chargers about Ryan Leaf.

10/30/09

0	Completion percentage is not a direct reflection of a QB's accuracy. Especially a spread option QB. That's foolishness.

10/30/09

1	Whatever Pat numbers don't lie.

10/30/09

uwgb44

1	BigTone2475 wrote: Whatever Pat numbers don't lie. Look up JaMarcuss Russels Stats...His junior year he had a 60% completion percentage and his senior year he had a 67% completion rate.. Your going to tell me he is Acurate. So as you can see stats can be deceiving

10/30/09

KitNKaboodle

1	Maybe another Brady Quinn ... lol

10/30/09

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uwgb44 wrote:

Look up JaMarcuss Russels Stats...His junior year he had a 60% completion percentage and his senior year he had a 67% completion rate.. Your going to tell me he is Acurate. So as you can see stats can be deceiving

I am not debating weather are not he is going to be good in the NFL because no one knows for sure it's all speculation. I am saying he is an accurate collage QB as was Russel, hell I used Ryan Leaf as an example.

10/30/09

kmcjunkins

1	Pat wrote: Completion percentage is not a direct reflection of a QB's accuracy. Especially a spread option QB. That's foolishness. Well I like Florida but my honest opinion on Tebow is I disagree with d fact that he could be a NFL QB. I don't think he would even be considered as a QB. High may go high n d draft, but I bet they make a TE or FB out of him.

10/30/09

rob12102028

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elevenbravo138again wrote:

Ben Roethlisberger is not only built like a TE, he played the position 2 years in HS, Tebow's build is not the issue. There have been successful QB's from 5'5 3/4 166-Eddie LeBaron to 6'5 3/8" 237 Drew Bledsoe, good QBs come in all shapes and sizes. That being said as a QB Tebow is likely a 3 year project to rework his mechanics and teach him a full-field progression read.

Ben Roethlisberger is the perfect example of how Tebow should be brought along his first couple of years he was basically only alowed to hand the ball off but now he is throwing the ball down the field more. I think tebow can be just as good if he is brought along slowly like Big Ben

10/30/09

AndiLee0388

1	rob12102028 wrote: Ben Roethlisberger is the perfect example of how Tebow should be brought along his first couple of years he was basically only alowed to hand the ball off but now he is throwing the ball down the field more. I think tebow can be just as good if he is brought along slowly like Big Ben I will go for this explanation.

10/30/09

AndiLee0388

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elevenbravo138again wrote:

Ben Roethlisberger is not only built like a TE, he played the position 2 years in HS, Tebow's build is not the issue. There have been successful QB's from 5'5 3/4 166-Eddie LeBaron to 6'5 3/8" 237 Drew Bledsoe, good QBs come in all shapes and sizes. That being said as a QB Tebow is likely a 3 year project to rework his mechanics and teach him a full-field progression read.

Totally agree, he isnt going to come out of college to the pros and be a QB, and also agree, he'd make a better TE. However, if given the time to mature, and develop, as stated in the above quote, I am thinking TT will be around for a long while, so ya'll can jack him up in the NFL also!

10/30/09

3	KitNKaboodle wrote: Maybe another Brady Quinn ... lol .......minus the plethora of homoerotic pics.

10/30/09

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rob12102028 wrote:

Ben Roethlisberger is the perfect example of how Tebow should be brought along his first couple of years he was basically only alowed to hand the ball off but now he is throwing the ball down the field more. I think tebow can be just as good if he is brought along slowly like Big Ben

I feel what you are saying rob. But the big difference is that Roethlisberger at least played in a more traditional pro style offense where you are required to read defenses and go through your progressions. The history of quaterbacks coming out of those spread offenses is not very good.....and especially so for one who will be behind the curve anyway.

10/30/09

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BigTone2475 wrote:

Whatever Pat numbers don't lie.

You're right... the numbers don't lie. But people who twist them to mean things that are inaccurate, those people lie. The only thing that those numbers say is that 65.4% of the time he throws a pass, his receivers catch it. That reflects somewhat on his accuracy, but it is also influenced by the skill of his WR's, the difficulty of the passes, the quality of the defenses, and a plethora of other factors. You can't look at someone's completion percentage and completely base your assessment of their accuracy on that.

10/30/09

AndiLee0388

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Pat wrote:

You're right... the numbers don't lie. But people who twist them to mean things that are inaccurate, those people lie. The only thing that those numbers say is that 65.4% of the time he throws a pass, his receivers catch it. That reflects somewhat on his accuracy, but it is also influenced by the skill of his WR's, the difficulty of the passes, the quality of the defenses, and a plethora of other factors. You can't look at someone's completion percentage and completely base your assessment of their accuracy on that.

Actually, bad as I hate it, that is a pretty fair assessment of what completion percentage is. For anyone, not just TT!

10/30/09

Heyhey1970

1	I'm a big Tony Dungy fan, but he never knew a thing about offense in Tampa. Peyton Manning later ended up as his quarterback, which was a lucky break (obviously). I'm not sure he knows all that much about NFL offense. A coach of his stature wouldn't want Tim Tebow as his NFL quarterback.

10/30/09

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AndiLee0388 wrote:

Actually, bad as I hate it, that is a pretty fair assessment of what completion percentage is. For anyone, not just TT!

I agree, you put the other two guy in the SEC and I bet they don't have near the numbers they have in the Big 12. If you have as much time as McCoy and Bradford (with the exception of this year) has and anyone will look like they are accurate.

My point is no one in here is a pro scout so it's all speculation, and even the pros get it wrong I will use my example form earlier in Ryan Leaf. I am not saying he will make it in the pros, I just don't know and neither does any one in here. For as many guys who came out of collage who had all the talent in the world and didn't make it there are just as many guys who didn't have all the talent and make it.

Regardless if he is a QB in the NFL or not I would want him on my team for he leadership skill and his will to win. He might not be the best pure QB in the world but he is one hell of a football player and that speaks volumes.

10/31/09

1	It doesn't take a pro scout to know that Tim Tebow doesn't have the kind of arm, field vision and accuracy that are required to be an NFL QB. You just have to watch the game with some semblance of objectivity, and it is obvious.

10/31/09

1	I forgot it's not a Boston player or team thats in the spot light so they suck my bad.

10/31/09

Salizzoni

1	I think he will go far!

10/31/09

Salizzoni

1	(Edited by Scott) Tebow is the bomb! edited for language

10/31/09

TheRoss

2	If not he can always fall back on his second career turning water into wine.

10/31/09