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10/30/09
Umpires continue to make costly mistakes in the World Series
So... how much longer before Bud Selig does something about the umpires?
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Once again, poor umpiring affected another huge game. We don't know exactly what would have happened if the umps had made all the right calls, but it's quite clear that in several cases, they absolutely did not. Like calling Chase Utley out at 1st base in the 8th inning, when replays showed that he was clearly safe.

But it wasn't just that call. Ryan Howard caught a ball off the dirt, and the umps called it a catch, allowing the Phillies to pull off a double play, where there really shouldn't have been any outs at all, after Howard made a bad throw to 2nd base.

Should we have instant replay in baseball? Honestly, I think that most of the close plays could be called very accurately, and in a timely fashion if there were just a replay official, who only called down to the field when there was a wrong call. 9 times out of 10, the umps don't have a problem. But when they do, there needs to be a way to let the players decide the games on the field, not the umps.
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10/30/09
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Even though I may still like Bud Selig a little tiny bit as Commissioner, his decisions take years. It will be at least another 2 years until instant replay will be used the way the majority of fans want right now.

10/30/09
1
Bud Selig needs to pull his head out and stop being so stubborn and agree to move forward with this instant replay. It almost seems like he is just opposed to it so he can say he is opposed to it. He doesn't have much sense.....(thats the understatement of the century).

10/30/09
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At least one thing has come to my attention, it is not just about the Yankees.  This has blown up and out of control on everyone.  Problem Selig is not getting is that it is impacting outcome of games most likely due to sheer momentum swings.  It is robbing the fans of accuracy especially when they have so much emotionally invested in their teams.  And last and certainly not least, the players that have worked so hard, forget how much any of them are paid, are getting robbed of making truly highlight reel plays and getting that taken away from them.  There should be no problem with exactly the method Pat proposes.  Pat, you need to get a petition and get some heat on Selig with all of our backing of course.  I am sure you can muster up quite a bit of support for that. 

"In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing. The worst thing you can do is nothing." [Theodore Roosevelt]

10/30/09
1
I agree with everything you said 100%.  It needs to be instituted today while the Series is tied because WHEN they screw up again the one team that gets the call is going to take the heat for it.  We know how people get when calls go to one team.  This is so freaking pathetic that we have to even be talking about this.  I always have beef with the umpires due to the lousy strikezone but they are screwing up in every way imaginable.  They cannot get calls at 1st, 2nd, 3rd or home right.  Plus, they are incorrectly saying that players are not checking their swings when they are and vice versa.  The umpires are cheating everyone out of a good postseason.  These teams have worked so hard to get here and the umpires just do not look interested at all.

10/30/09
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Bad calls are part of the game and basically the more you B**** out the ump the worse calls he's gonna make for your team. I beleive last nights game had some bad bad calls but both teams got bad calls, baseball does not need instant replay the games long enough as it is replays would add another fu****g hour.


10/30/09
2
zballa07 wrote:

Bad calls are part of the game and basically the more you B**** out the ump the worse calls he's gonna make for your team. I beleive last nights game had some bad bad calls but both teams got bad calls, baseball does not need instant replay the games long enough as it is replays would add another fu****g hour.

"Bad calls are part of the game..."

Ummm... why?

10/30/09
2
Okay, first to clarify something, Howard reacted to the Base Umpire calling the ball caught and Johnny DAmon out, and threw to second base, based on what he heard from the ump.  If there had been no "OUT" called, likely he would have turned to his bag and Damon would have been called out at first.  Posada would have been called safe at second.
Now, the question for me in instant replays for baseball is, where do you draw the line?  The thing is, with hockey or football, you are looking at one thing, and everything that hinges on it is easily determined. As in, did the puck go in the net? or did a skate direct it into the net? or were the receiver's feet both in bounds when he caught the ball?
With baseball, how do you make that determination?  So, the ball is then not ruled a caught line drive, is Damon then safe at first? Is Posada safe at second?  As I said above, Howard would likely have turned and tagged first base, but for sure? How could they call him out, if they couldn't see it happen? And then what kind of uproar would there be?

10/30/09
1
And don't even get me started on their pathetic strike zones.  Why bother, the umps don't use it at all.

10/30/09
1
Bud Selig will do what he always does...nothing and look like an idiot while doing it.

10/30/09
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 "Bud Selig" and "action" are, unfortunately, mutually exclusive...

10/30/09
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falconcobb wrote:
Bud Selig will do what he always does...nothing and look like an idiot while doing it.
If the Phils would of come back to win that game,he would of shown the world what an idiot he is. If he wants a pure game get rid of the designated hitter,and add instant replay!

10/30/09
2
Selig will do what Selig always does irregardless what the issue is....... NOTHING.

10/31/09
2
JrCanuckFan wrote:
Okay, first to clarify something, Howard reacted to the Base Umpire calling the ball caught and Johnny DAmon out, and threw to second base, based on what he heard from the ump.  If there had been no "OUT" called, likely he would have turned to his bag and Damon would have been called out at first.  Posada would have been called safe at second.
Now, the question for me in instant replays for baseball is, where do you draw the line?  The thing is, with hockey or football, you are looking at one thing, and everything that hinges on it is easily determined. As in, did the puck go in the net? or did a skate direct it into the net? or were the receiver's feet both in bounds when he caught the ball?
With baseball, how do you make that determination?  So, the ball is then not ruled a caught line drive, is Damon then safe at first? Is Posada safe at second?  As I said above, Howard would likely have turned and tagged first base, but for sure? How could they call him out, if they couldn't see it happen? And then what kind of uproar would there be?
That is a good point but, same thing in football.  Ref blows whistle dead on a pick or a fumble, dude runs it in for a TD or just stops based on whistle so the bad call on a fumble or a pick would be in the same mindset as you lay out.

Honestly, in every sport there is a reaction or non reaction to a bad call or a good call.  Hockey too.  So the ref blows the play dead yet the puck is still around the corner of the crease....could someone have tipped it in?  Sure.  So anytime you use replay in any sport there is reaction and non reaction based on the call.

With this said, there is no in between.  They need to state rules and make the black and white and live with them. 

Example: On any judgment call in the field for Baseball, the play is reviewed at the point of the mistaken call.  Wherever the players were at the time, they remain.  If they say no catch, Posada stays at second and Cano stays at first.  If they say catch, they uphold the call.  I do see the challenge though that you noted.  It is huge.

But what is worse, doing that or having bad calls snowball and don't even try to adddress it?  It is obvious something needs to be done.  I guess I have one last alternative.  Get some umps that can see?  Make sure you do have your best umps in the big games?  I mean if we were not human, we would be fine. 

I did joke once about robots playing ball for our entertainment so we don't have to deal with pampered ball players and out of control salaries.  But, with that concept, how about cyborg umps that just don't make mistakes.  Sci Fi is not that far off of being reality on these types of things.  Who knows.  All gloves and balls would have nano technology on them.  Bats, you name it.....  This would trigger the right calls.  It would also mae the strike zone consistent all the time every time. 

10/31/09
2
bobjrinaz wrote:
That is a good point but, same thing in football.  Ref blows whistle dead on a pick or a fumble, dude runs it in for a TD or just stops based on whistle so the bad call on a fumble or a pick would be in the same mindset as you lay out.

Honestly, in every sport there is a reaction or non reaction to a bad call or a good call.  Hockey too.  So the ref blows the play dead yet the puck is still around the corner of the crease....could someone have tipped it in?  Sure.  So anytime you use replay in any sport there is reaction and non reaction based on the call.

With this said, there is no in between.  They need to state rules and make the black and white and live with them. 

Example: On any judgment call in the field for Baseball, the play is reviewed at the point of the mistaken call.  Wherever the players were at the time, they remain.  If they say no catch, Posada stays at second and Cano stays at first.  If they say catch, they uphold the call.  I do see the challenge though that you noted.  It is huge.

But what is worse, doing that or having bad calls snowball and don't even try to adddress it?  It is obvious something needs to be done.  I guess I have one last alternative.  Get some umps that can see?  Make sure you do have your best umps in the big games?  I mean if we were not human, we would be fine. 

I did joke once about robots playing ball for our entertainment so we don't have to deal with pampered ball players and out of control salaries.  But, with that concept, how about cyborg umps that just don't make mistakes.  Sci Fi is not that far off of being reality on these types of things.  Who knows.  All gloves and balls would have nano technology on them.  Bats, you name it.....  This would trigger the right calls.  It would also mae the strike zone consistent all the time every time. 
I was gonna give you a smart until I got to the Cyborg umps.  I do acknowledge all your points, and they are certainly valid. I guess I just don't really like the replays, now that I think about it, in any sport.  People got by without them for so many years, and the sports didn't fold up and die because an ump or a ref made a bad call.  We don't have asterisks besides game records (* game should have been won by the Black Jackets but the ref made a bad call).  We do have the replays now, and I suppose eventually we will have them in baseball, but I'd rather see them get some YOUNGER umps, who can move to the action, with the action and can actually see the ball. Why we have to have these ancient, overweight, blind guys out there is beyond me.

Okay, maybe we should investigate the Cyborgs.

10/31/09
1
LOL Pat. You wrote "Bud Selig" and "do something" in the same sentence.

10/31/09
0
I smell a poll brewing...

10/31/09
0
zballa07 wrote:

Bad calls are part of the game and basically the more you B**** out the ump the worse calls he's gonna make for your team. I beleive last nights game had some bad bad calls but both teams got bad calls, baseball does not need instant replay the games long enough as it is replays would add another fu****g hour.

you cant reverse calls in baseball like you can in football. in football theirs one goal get to the endzone. in baseball their is to much going on and you can't determine on were to place the runners, whos out, and which scores count also in football you lose a timeout if your wrong what do you lose in baseball a walk to the mound??? In every sport their are going to be unfavorable calls some times its better to be lucky than good

11/1/09
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JrCanuckFan wrote:
Okay, first to clarify something, Howard reacted to the Base Umpire calling the ball caught and Johnny DAmon out, and threw to second base, based on what he heard from the ump.  If there had been no "OUT" called, likely he would have turned to his bag and Damon would have been called out at first.  Posada would have been called safe at second.
Now, the question for me in instant replays for baseball is, where do you draw the line?  The thing is, with hockey or football, you are looking at one thing, and everything that hinges on it is easily determined. As in, did the puck go in the net? or did a skate direct it into the net? or were the receiver's feet both in bounds when he caught the ball?
With baseball, how do you make that determination?  So, the ball is then not ruled a caught line drive, is Damon then safe at first? Is Posada safe at second?  As I said above, Howard would likely have turned and tagged first base, but for sure? How could they call him out, if they couldn't see it happen? And then what kind of uproar would there be?
funny how you mention how howard reacted on the play.  he obviously knew he trapped it because if he hadnt why else would he have thrown to second when he could have just stepped on first and gotten the unassisted double play.  he obviously knew the ball bounced.

11/1/09
0
How in the world can you justify instant replay in baseball for anything but homeruns?  or fair/foul balls?  you cant just award singles or outs.  the play with utley is bang bang and happens everyday probably ten times.  its been going on for the entire existience of the game.  well over one hundred years.  a replay official.  cut it out.  replays take to long and lets not forget that pitchers arent wide receivers and cant just go back to the line of scrimmage.

 
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