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2	Jealousy reigns supreme.

12/23/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

Jealousy reigns supreme.

~~Jealousy reigns supreme~~ The Yankees disgust everyone who isn't a huge douche.

/fixed.

And I'm not saying anything about anyone in particular, but if there are people who aren't disgusted by what baseball has become during this offseason, they should take a long hard look at themselves. And then they should bang their head repeatedly against a wall until they become smart.

12/23/08

guylake

1	(Edited by guylake) Thing is nothing is going to change if the Yankees don't dominate the next few seasons. That's right, if you want the system to change, you should be rooting for the Yankees to smoke the competition for the foreseeable future. There will be zero incentive to create a salary cap so long as the biggest spending team isn't winning the World Series.

12/23/08

seanrrpsnm

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Pat wrote:

Words can not express the anger that I feel right now.

I can only hope that the MLB will see how ridiculous this is, and demand some sort of legitimate control on team salaries. The luxury tax is meaningless and useless.

This should never happen again.

i agree pat...i said it in an earlier post also...this takes all the fun out of being a yankee fan...you would really think they would have to look into some kind of a salary cap after all this nonsense...and even if they do manage to pull together and win the whole thing...it just wont be the same....its more exciting to watch the team win with the homegrown talent that has been brought up through the organization...

12/23/08

Bravesfan23

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Pat wrote:

Words can not express the anger that I feel right now.

I can only hope that the MLB will see how ridiculous this is, and demand some sort of legitimate control on team salaries. The luxury tax is meaningless and useless.

This should never happen again.

I am in the same boat as you about the recent discovery that Mark Teixeira will sign with the Yankees. I mean seriously, anyone that says this is good for the game of baseball is either a "homer" or just doesn't get it. The Yankees will continue to be the bullies on the block year in and year out and I hate to see that. Small market teams suffer bad this way and it took a team like the Rays to be cellar dwellars for a decade until they became good. Thats because they accumulated so many #1 picks and they soon had to pan out sooner or later. I am still trying to understand what the Steinbrenners meant last year when they said that they were gonna "build from within" when they wouldn't trade Ian Kennedy or Phil Hughes to the Twins to acquire John Santana. What they have done this offseason makes them look like complete idiots for making that statement last year. I do agree with you on the luxury tax Pat. It does no good whatsoever. With all the money the team accumulates from the YES Network and other revenues, something will have to change. I have always been against having a salary cap in baseball but what the Yankees have done this offseason has proved to me that maybe I, and baseball, should re-think about implementing a salary cap rule!

11/30/99

1	(Edited by seanrrpsnm) i also really dont think that tex is worth that kind of money....neither is cc....and these guys dont realize how bad they will get torn apart by yankee fans at that stadium if they dont produce immediately!

12/23/08

JKB37

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Pat wrote:

~~Jealousy reigns supreme~~ The Yankees disgust everyone who isn't a huge douche.

/fixed.

And I'm not saying anything about anyone in particular, but if there are people who aren't disgusted by what baseball has become during this offseason, they should take a long hard look at themselves. And then they should bang their head repeatedly against a wall until they become smart.

I think everyone but Yankee fans are disgusted...

12/23/08

phlyerphan12

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I agree that it seems outrageous that the Yankees got another high-profile free agent. And now that they've signed Teixeira, they've got the 4 biggest contracts in the majors with him, A-Rod, Jeter, and Sabathia.

But keep in mind that since they dumped the contracts of Mussina, Pettitte, Giambi, and Abreu in the offseason, their payroll has actually shrunk a bit since the end of last season. Hard to believe given the $400 million-plus in contracts they've doled out, but its true.

12/23/08

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Pat wrote:

Words can not express the anger that I feel right now.

I can only hope that the MLB will see how ridiculous this is, and demand some sort of legitimate control on team salaries. The luxury tax is meaningless and useless.

This should never happen again.

Sadly, this has been happening nearly every year since Marvin Miller tricked the owners back in the '70's.

The owners tried to police themselves in the '80's but somehow players took them to court and WON! (A decision I do not understand to this day) The owners then had a golden opportunity when the players went on strike. This was not a lockout, but the players refused to play. But, again, the players found some loophole in the law to use against the owners and the fantastic opportunity to bring in a cap vanished. Stupid owners. It's amazing those guys got rich to begin with, based on how they have handled MLB.

I also blame the MLBPA. They have ALL of the power in baseball but take NONE of the responsibility or blame when things go bad. It seems the owners can't even make a bowel movement without getting approval from the MLBPA first.

This will undoubtedly go on until the owners grow a spine and force revenue sharing and a salary cap into place.

12/23/08

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sharapovasthigh wrote:

It's going to be even funnier this year when the Rays finish ahead of them.

It would be... But the problem is the odds just aren't with the Rays to repeat. Low revenue teams are usually flashes in the pan. The Rays just won't be able to keep up with the Yankees more than another year, maybe two. Then they will fall off while the Yankees keep spending and stay on top of the division.

12/23/08

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guylake wrote:

Thing is nothing is going to change if the Yankees don't dominate the next few seasons. That's right, if you want the system to change, you should be rooting for the Yankees to smoke the competition for the foreseeable future. There will be zero incentive to create a salary cap so long as the biggest spending team isn't winning the World Series.

Sorry, but no. The Yankees winning every year will do nothing to create a cap. All it will do is make fans hate the Yankees even more than they do now. Which as strange as it sounds, may even ba good thing for MLB. As long as all teams are at least breaking even, it will be difficult to garner support for a cap among the owners.

The reason owners tried to get a cap in '94 was because most teams were LOSING money. This was enough to get support among the owners. But now, new revenue streams have been found. Mostly from the internet. The profits from which are shared evenly. This has helped lift teams from oozing money to just breaking even. Which is OK with the owners because their big profit will be made when and if they sell the team.

Right now, the only ones who seem to want a cap and REAL revenue sharing are the fans. And we all know what MLB thinks of what the fans want.... They don't care.

12/23/08

snbslugger

1	jjh8857 wrote: Jealousy reigns supreme. bzzzt Oh I'm sorry. The word we were looking for is greed. Circle gets the square.

12/23/08

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Pat wrote:

~~Jealousy reigns supreme~~ The Yankees disgust everyone who isn't a huge douche.

/fixed.

And I'm not saying anything about anyone in particular, but if there are people who aren't disgusted by what baseball has become during this offseason, they should take a long hard look at themselves. And then they should bang their head repeatedly against a wall until they become smart.

The Yankees just play the game. You can usually tell how bad a situation really is by reversing it. Pat you know good & goddamned well that you would love to have Sabathia, Burnett & Texiera playing for the Sox. As a White Sox fan I do too. They can afford it, it is within the rules so I say so what? Good for them. Don't you believe in capitalism?

Funny hearing the Rays 'Fans' talking smack. I'd be careful because in 2 years most of the Rays stars will be in Boston & New York.

Edited for language -gearhead

12/23/08

snbslugger

0	guylake wrote: There can be only one response from the Red Sox. SIGN MANNY!!! If he fired Boras, issued a written apology for his obvious tank job in Boston, held a press conference and issued another public apology, and then signed a Wakefield-style deal for the veteran's minimum, I would accept that.

12/23/08

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12/23/08

MrNFL

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jjh8857 wrote:

Salary Cap? Do we really need a world where teams like the Nationals or Royals are relevant? Of course not. It was bad enough the Rays did okay this year. Fortunately they'll fade back to their rightful place at the cellar of the AL East this year. I know it's tough for you goobs to understand but the Yankees are interesting. Period. Trainwreck or not. This is a good thing. Did baseball fans need Texiera playing for the Nationals? Of course not. I know the Yankees signing good players & spending money makes your vaginas hurt but try to see the big picture.

The NFL is the most popular sports league there is. Why? Parity. Look at the excitement that is created by seeing teams like the Dolphins and Falcons go from awful to the playoffs. Every year in football, you know that every team has a shot to be successful. (Well except for the Lions

)

But look at baseball, that parity doesn't exist. Sure, every once in a while you have a Rays or Marlins that because of great scouting manages to make a run. But over half of the teams have no chance to make the playoffs from the seasons' beginning, and this hurts the MLB's popularity, because a lot of fans won't care if their team is going to never have a chance.

12/23/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

The Yankees just play the game. You can usually tell how bad a situation really is by reversing it. Pat you know good & goddamned well that you would love to have Sabathia, Burnett & Texiera playing for the Sox. As a White Sox fan I do too. They can afford it, it is within the rules so I say so what? Good for them. Don't you believe in capitalism?

Funny hearing the Rays 'Fans' talking smack. I'd be careful because in 2 years most of the Rays stars will be in Boston & New York.

Edited for language -gearhead

I completely believe in capitalism. It would be hard to find a greater capitalist than me on this site.

That being said... A sports league within itself is NOT about capitalism. It is about creating an entertaining product that people will want to pay for and sponsors will want to advertise with. To do that, it is not wise to have one team so far ahead of all the others when it comes to resources to build that product. Teams are in competition with each other ONLY on the field. Not when it comes to everything else. The Yankees and Red Sox are NOT like Lowes and the Home Depot. They are like two Lowes stores or two Home Depot stores. The Yankees to not compete with the Red Sox withe the hope that the other goes out of business like two rival stores would. It is in the best interest of the Yankees and the Red Sox for ALL MLB "stores" to do well.

The fact is, within a sports league is the only place where a true socialist economic structure can actually work.

12/23/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

Salary Cap? Do we really need a world where teams like the Nationals or Royals are relevant? Of course not. It was bad enough the Rays did okay this year. Fortunately they'll fade back to their rightful place at the cellar of the AL East this year. I know it's tough for you goobs to understand but the Yankees are interesting. Period. Trainwreck or not. This is a good thing. Did baseball fans need Texiera playing for the Nationals? Of course not. I know the Yankees signing good players & spending money makes your vaginas hurt but try to see the big picture.

Fine.

Let all the other teams vanish and the Yankees can play with themselves. See how valuable that team is then....

12/23/08

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ML31 wrote:

Fine.

Let all the other teams vanish and the Yankees can play with themselves. See how valuable that team is then....

Yes take your ball & go home. Nice. Do you blame the Yankees from going after good players? If you can't afford it then don't do it, the Yankees can so they do. Without knowing anything about you I'd wager that you would LOVE for your team to spend like the Yankees.

12/23/08

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MrNFL wrote:

The NFL is the most popular sports league there is. Why? Parity. Look at the excitement that is created by seeing teams like the Dolphins and Falcons go from awful to the playoffs. Every year in football, you know that every team has a shot to be successful. (Well except for the Lions

)

But look at baseball, that parity doesn't exist. Sure, every once in a while you have a Rays or Marlins that because of great scouting manages to make a run. But over half of the teams have no chance to make the playoffs from the seasons' beginning, and this hurts the MLB's popularity, because a lot of fans won't care if their team is going to never have a chance.

So there's no parity in MLB? HMMMMMM... How many different WS Champions have there been since 2000?

12/23/08

0	What's stopping the Royals from signing good players? Their ownership is not committed. The owner of the Pirates makes cash hand over fist yet chooses to not invest it back into his team. That's a fact. The Yankees are committed. They make money & they use that money to try & stay competetive. All the other teams should be so lucky.

12/23/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

Yes take your ball & go home. Nice. Do you blame the Yankees from going after good players? If you can't afford it then don't do it, the Yankees can so they do. Without knowing anything about you I'd wager that you would LOVE for your team to spend like the Yankees.

If other teams tried to join the bidding war with the Yankees, it would do nothing but drive up the price. In the end, the Yankees would still get whomever they want.

Are you going to try to say that the Angels and Red Sox didn't try to make competitive offers to Teixeira?

12/23/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

Yes take your ball & go home. Nice. Do you blame the Yankees from going after good players? If you can't afford it then don't do it, the Yankees can so they do. Without knowing anything about you I'd wager that you would LOVE for your team to spend like the Yankees.

That is what you are telling other teams to do. Take their ball and go home. Nice.

I said earlier that it is not so much that the Yankees are spending like they do. It is annoyance at a system that allows them to do it. Such a thing is just not good for the League on the whole. At least, not if they want to do better on a national scale. But, given how the popularity of MLB on a national level has dropped like a rock in recent years and neither the owners or players seem to care....

If you made that wager you would lose. For a number of reasons. First, that kind of spending means that team is part of the problem. I would not want my team to be part of what is wrong with MLB. Next, if my team DID spend that kind of money, they would have to get it from somewhere. Either from the owners own pockets (and if they did, they wouldn't stay wealthy enough to own and run a team for long) or by charging advertisers a lot more (and they would lose a ton of sponsors so that route would be out) or by sticking it to the fans who buy the seats. I think the seats are already pricy as it is. So THAT would suck too. No way would I want my team to do what the Yankees do. Period.

My team is not a low revenue team. They are about 1/3 down the player salary list. They spend, or have shown that they can spend plenty enough to win. It's just that some of their decisions have been questionable at best.

12/23/08

1	jjh8857 wrote: So there's no parity in MLB? HMMMMMM... How many different WS Champions have there been since 2000? You don't measure parity by who wins the WS. You measure it by what teams are consistently in contention for a division title year after year after year. How often have the Yankees been in the race for the East? HMMMMM??? Compare that to the Rays and Jays. THEN tell me about parity.

12/23/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

What's stopping the Royals from signing good players? Their ownership is not committed. The owner of the Pirates makes cash hand over fist yet chooses to not invest it back into his team. That's a fact. The Yankees are committed. They make money & they use that money to try & stay competetive. All the other teams should be so lucky.

What's stopping the Royals from signing good players?

Hmmm... Let me see.... Lack of income? Yeah. That sounds about right.

Maybe Nutting does make money hand over fist. I cannot confirm or deny that. (I doubt you can either) The fact is almost none of that money comes from the Pirates or even indirectly from the Pirates.

You sound like one of those people who assume that someone who does not live in a luxury condo or mansion must not WANT to. It couldn't possibly be because they couldn't afford to.

12/23/08

derms33

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Pat wrote:

~~Jealousy reigns supreme~~ The Yankees disgust everyone who isn't a huge douche.

/fixed.

And I'm not saying anything about anyone in particular, but if there are people who aren't disgusted by what baseball has become during this offseason, they should take a long hard look at themselves. And then they should bang their head repeatedly against a wall until they become smart.

I am going to agree that Yankees fans are fools and if they don't realize that the NYY have ruined MLB then oh well. But the Red SOx aren't a model franchise either. There has to be a cap and thats the bottom line. What a joke Bud Selig is. The Yankees have certainly raised an eyebrow for anyone who loves the game of baseball. I, for one, may not watch it this year. And I am certainly not giving MLB any of my money. Fix it or F*ck You MLB!

12/23/08

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So let me see if I have this right. You guys would NOT like to see your teams take the cash they have & invest it back into their teams to try & get the best players possible in order to put the best product on the field. You only want them to be competetive on the field during the season not year round. Because that seems to be what the Yankees do. If Kansas City, Pittsburgh, etc., etc. don't like it then I suggest they get owners who can do it.

Derms33 is right though, MLB doesn't owe you guys the Fans anything. If you don't like the system don't watch the games, don't go to the games, don't read about the sport & don't buy merchandise.

12/23/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

So let me see if I have this right. You guys would NOT like to see your teams take the cash they have & invest it back into their teams to try & get the best players possible in order to put the best product on the field. You only want them to be competetive on the field during the season not year round. Because that seems to be what the Yankees do. If Kansas City, Pittsburgh, etc., etc. don't like it then I suggest they get owners who can do it.

Derms33 is right though, MLB doesn't owe you guys the Fans anything. If you don't like the system don't watch the games, don't go to the games, don't read about the sport & don't buy merchandise.

I would like to see the teams keep their spending to a more reasonable level, and foster a more competitive system, in which it's not virtually impossible for certain teams to ever succeed.

I realize that would hurt my team as well, from time to time. But in the end, it will be better for baseball as a whole.

12/23/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

Yes take your ball & go home. Nice. Do you blame the Yankees from going after good players? If you can't afford it then don't do it, the Yankees can so they do. Without knowing anything about you I'd wager that you would LOVE for your team to spend like the Yankees.

The Yankees can go f*** themselves. It'll be funny when a team with a payroll the size of one out of four of their huge contracts, i.e. the Marlins, beats their ass in the WS again.

You know, 47 million Americans without health insurance, companies all over the US going out of business because they can no longer cope financially, states running out of money to pay unemployment compensation....so what do the Yanks do? Oh, let's commit $422M to 3 people. $27 million in luxury tax? Oh we're the Yankees, that's stuffed in our couch cushions. It's sickening. Baseball needs a salary cap.

One guy on 1050am ESPN radio says that nobody complained when the Celtics brought in Garnett and Ray Allen, or the Lakers having Kobe/Shaq etc. but hate on the Yankees when they do it? Umm, does the fact that the NBA does have a salary cap not come into play? Those teams did what they needed to do to make the contracts fit. The Yankees just spend enough money to pay ten teams' payroll?? Just doesn't seem fair to the other teams in MLB who don't have the revenue that they do.

Edited for language -gearhead

12/23/08

sharapovasthigh

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ML31 wrote:

It would be... But the problem is the odds just aren't with the Rays to repeat. Low revenue teams are usually flashes in the pan. The Rays just won't be able to keep up with the Yankees more than another year, maybe two. Then they will fall off while the Yankees keep spending and stay on top of the division.

I disagree. Pitching wins, and the Rays still have the better staff especially with Price moving to the rotation. Their young bats can only improve as well. They also have tremendous speed and can play small ball to manufacture runs when their power's slumping, something the Yankees can't do. The Rays aren't going anywhere.

There's no guarantee any of these guys can handle the ridiculous pressure they face playing in New York. They have no idea what they're getting themselves into, all they hear is the "cha-ching" going off in their heads.

Anyway, I'd still pick the Rays and Red Sox until the Yankees go out and prove they can win with this bunch. It's not always about who has the most talent, in fact it rarely works out that way in baseball. Different sport, but the Cowboys are a perfect example of this.

12/23/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

So let me see if I have this right. You guys would NOT like to see your teams take the cash they have & invest it back into their teams to try & get the best players possible in order to put the best product on the field. You only want them to be competetive on the field during the season not year round. Because that seems to be what the Yankees do. If Kansas City, Pittsburgh, etc., etc. don't like it then I suggest they get owners who can do it.

Derms33 is right though, MLB doesn't owe you guys the Fans anything. If you don't like the system don't watch the games, don't go to the games, don't read about the sport & don't buy merchandise.

Everyone would LOVE for their team to go out and sign the best players. But the Yankees are really the only team that can do that to the extent on which there is no limit. The Mets, Red Sox, Angels, and a few other teams have money to spend but can't beat the Yankees. Therefore, the Yankees can aquire virtually any player they want, preventing any other team from aquiring that talent. And THAT is the problem.

12/23/08

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nyrangers wrote:

Everyone would LOVE for their team to go out and sign the best players. But the Yankees are really the only team that can do that to the extent on which there is no limit. The Mets, Red Sox, Angels, and a few other teams have money to spend but can't beat the Yankees. Therefore, the Yankees can aquire virtually any player they want, preventing any other team from aquiring that talent. And THAT is the problem.

No the problem is that NONE of you are Yankees Fans.

12/23/08

1	jjh8857 wrote: No the problem is that NONE of you are Yankees Fans. Not true at all. Please, disregard everything I just said and just claim that we are all jealous of the Yankees and their ability to buy players

12/23/08

0	Exactly. You said it yourself, you'd like your team to be able to do it it's just that they can't. Get over it & hope that your team spends wisely whatever money they do have. And quit whining for chrissakes. Life isn't fair & neither is MLB.

12/23/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

Exactly. You said it yourself, you'd like your team to be able to do it it's just that they can't. Get over it & hope that your team spends wisely whatever money they do have. And quit whining for chrissakes. Life isn't fair & neither is MLB.

Classic. I know for a fact that you wouldn't be upset if suddenly the Yankees cut their payroll to $30 million and suddenly the Red Sox were able to buy as many players as the Yankees do. That would be OK with you, right?

And who said I was whining?

12/23/08

0	I'm not a Yankees Fan so why would I care? If that happened I wouldn't care because it's the way the game is played. Personally I'm a fan of any team that does whatever it takes to win & get better & to be interesting.

12/23/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

So let me see if I have this right. You guys would NOT like to see your teams take the cash they have & invest it back into their teams to try & get the best players possible in order to put the best product on the field. You only want them to be competetive on the field during the season not year round. Because that seems to be what the Yankees do. If Kansas City, Pittsburgh, etc., etc. don't like it then I suggest they get owners who can do it.

Derms33 is right though, MLB doesn't owe you guys the Fans anything. If you don't like the system don't watch the games, don't go to the games, don't read about the sport & don't buy merchandise.

No no no. You have it all wrong. Giving players tons of money is not, repeat N O T investing in the team. Spending money on the minor leagues is investing in the team. Spending money on new facilities is investing in the team. Going out an finding new sponsors is investing in the team. Those things all contribute to the short and long term value of a team. An overpriced player does nothing of the sort.

Please stop confusing overpaying players with investing in the team.

PS... There is no owner who can use Yankee style management on the Royals and Pirates etc. That system will ONLY work in New York City.

12/23/08

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sharapovasthigh wrote:

I disagree. Pitching wins, and the Rays still have the better staff especially with Price moving to the rotation. Their young bats can only improve as well. They also have tremendous speed and can play small ball to manufacture runs when their power's slumping, something the Yankees can't do. The Rays aren't going anywhere.

There's no guarantee any of these guys can handle the ridiculous pressure they face playing in New York. They have no idea what they're getting themselves into, all they hear is the "cha-ching" going off in their heads.

Anyway, I'd still pick the Rays and Red Sox until the Yankees go out and prove they can win with this bunch. It's not always about who has the most talent, in fact it rarely works out that way in baseball. Different sport, but the Cowboys are a perfect example of this.

Now, you are making the assumption that the Rays will be able to hold onto all those guys. Yes, they were signed to deals that take those players a bit beyond their arbitration and free agency years. But you fail to consider that those same deals call for the players to get higher and higher pay over those years. And you are assuming that the Rays will be able to afford those increasing payments. Where will they get the extra money? I suspect that half those players will have to be traded away before the expensive parts of their deals kick in. Such are the woes of a low revenue team.

12/23/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

I'm not a Yankees Fan so why would I care? If that happened I wouldn't care because it's the way the game is played. Personally I'm a fan of any team that does whatever it takes to win & get better & to be interesting.

That would be pretty much every team in the Majors.

So what it comes down to is that you are a fan of any team that has twice as much to spend as their nearest competitor and 3 times as much as most other teams. That pretty much leaves one team in all of American sport for you to be a fan of.

Care to retract your comment about not being a fan of that team? You contradicted yourself in the very same post you made that claim.

12/23/08

0	No I didn't. I'm a White Sox Fan. Though for baseball to be interesting the Red Sox or Yankees need to be competetive or in the World Series so I'm definitely in favor of either of them getting as many good players as they can. Tampa=Not interesting. Cmon you know you wanted to see Dodgers-Red Sox.

12/23/08

Seth

4	Well, let's get rid of all the boring teams and make the AL - Red Sox, Yankees, Tigers and White Sox and the NL - Cubs, Dodgers, Mets and we'll put the Angels in the NL. There, the 8 highest spending teams, and everyone else can just go away. That's what would be best for baseball, right?

12/23/08

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Pat wrote:

~~Jealousy reigns supreme~~ The Yankees disgust everyone who isn't a huge douche.

/fixed.

And I'm not saying anything about anyone in particular, but if there are people who aren't disgusted by what baseball has become during this offseason, they should take a long hard look at themselves. And then they should bang their head repeatedly against a wall until they become smart.

Why start the disgust with this off-season.... baseball has been super lame for at least the last decade!!!! I used to love the game but ever since the strike in the mid 90's I've lost all interest...... I won't even watch the World Series anymore because, as a guy living on the West coast, I'm sick and tired of hearing about nothing but the Yanks and Sox!!!! You'd think that the MLB only had 2 friggin teams!!!!

The MLB can shrink down to just Boston and the Yankees and play eachother 162 times just in the New England area for all I care, MLB is dying and as far as I'm concerned (unless it gets a goddamn salary cap!!!) can die of a severe case of herpies (which would be characterized as the Yankees) for all I care!!!!

12/23/08

Seth

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beerstudk wrote:

Why start the disgust with this off-season.... baseball has been super lame for at least the last decade!!!! I used to love the game but ever since the strike in the mid 90's I've lost all interest...... I won't even watch the World Series anymore because, as a guy living on the West coast, I'm sick and tired of hearing about nothing but the Yanks and Sox!!!! You'd think that the MLB only had 2 friggin teams!!!!

The MLB can shrink down to just Boston and the Yankees and play eachother 162 times just in the New England area for all I care, MLB is dying and as far as I'm concerned (unless it gets a goddamn salary cap!!!) can die of a severe case of herpies (which would be characterized as the Yankees) for all I care!!!!

Yankees and herpes.
Makes me think of this.
Yankees Herpes Tree

12/23/08

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Seth wrote:

Well, let's get rid of all the boring teams and make the AL - Red Sox, Yankees, Tigers and White Sox and the NL - Cubs, Dodgers, Mets and we'll put the Angels in the NL.
There, the 8 highest spending teams, and everyone else can just go away. That's what would be best for baseball, right?

Sounds good to me. Maybe then some guys with nutsacks can buy the other teams & try to make them competetive.

12/23/08

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beerstudk wrote:

Why start the disgust with this off-season.... baseball has been super lame for at least the last decade!!!! I used to love the game but ever since the strike in the mid 90's I've lost all interest...... I won't even watch the World Series anymore because, as a guy living on the West coast, I'm sick and tired of hearing about nothing but the Yanks and Sox!!!! You'd think that the MLB only had 2 friggin teams!!!!

The MLB can shrink down to just Boston and the Yankees and play eachother 162 times just in the New England area for all I care, MLB is dying and as far as I'm concerned (unless it gets a goddamn salary cap!!!) can die of a severe case of herpies (which would be characterized as the Yankees) for all I care!!!!

You know why you don't hear about the Marlins or the Braves? Because they're not interesting. The Red Sox & Yankees are. ESPN has no obligation to cover every team equally they obviously cover the teams that people actually care about. Is anyone all up in arms over the Marlins free agent signees? Of course not so why would you hear anything about them.

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

No I didn't. I'm a White Sox Fan. Though for baseball to be interesting the Red Sox or Yankees need to be competetive or in the World Series so I'm definitely in favor of either of them getting as many good players as they can. Tampa=Not interesting. Cmon you know you wanted to see Dodgers-Red Sox.

I'm sorry, but I think I need to quote you...

Personally I'm a fan of any team that does whatever it takes to win & get better & to be interesting.

I reminded you that ALL teams do whatever they can to win. The only thing that separates the Yankees from every other team is how much money they make.

In YOUR opinion MLB needs the Sox and/or Yankees. In the opinion of nearly every other fan out there that is not necessary for MLB to be interesting. The Rays were are FAR more interesting and entertaining team this year than either the Yanks or BoSox. Also, nobody likes the same teams winning every year except the fans of those teams thar are winning.

Tampa Bay = not just interesting but refreshing as well.

Don't presume to tell me what I wanted to see. After the post season was set, I got two teams that were both interesting and entertaining. Way better than if the Red Sox were involved. And certainly the Dodgers. Ugh... I can't stand the Dodgers. That is a case where they are only entertaining when they suck.

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

No I didn't. I'm a White Sox Fan. Though for baseball to be interesting the Red Sox or Yankees need to be competetive or in the World Series so I'm definitely in favor of either of them getting as many good players as they can. Tampa=Not interesting. Cmon you know you wanted to see Dodgers-Red Sox.

Tampa IS an interesting team. For true fans, it doesn't have to be Sox/Yanks all the time. I wanted to see Dodgers vs the Sox, but that's because I wanted my favorite team to do well, not because I thought it would be the best series. The Dodgers, outside of Manny, were a very average team.

12/24/08

0	jjh8857 wrote: Sounds good to me. Maybe then some guys with nutsacks can buy the other teams & try to make them competetive. Unless those teams new owners move their teams to New York to maximize the team's earning potential, it won't happen. Wait... MLB would have to drop those pesky territorial restrictions... Restrictions that only help the Yankees the most profitable team in the bigs.

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

You know why you don't hear about the Marlins or the Braves? Because they're not interesting. The Red Sox & Yankees are. ESPN has no obligation to cover every team equally they obviously cover the teams that people actually care about. Is anyone all up in arms over the Marlins free agent signees? Of course not so why would you hear anything about them.

No, those teams are NOT interesting. We hear about them ALL the time and all it does is turn people off not just to those teams but baseball in general. I used to watch a lot more baseball than I do. I used to watch the national games. I used to watch ESPN and all their baseball shows. But I just got sick and tired of not just the east bias, but the NORTHeast bias. I pretty much don't watch ESPN at all anymore. I'm sure I am not alone. A LOT of people have claimed they don't watch anymore. It's a pathetic cycle. ESPN's ratings go down, so they do what they THINK viewers want. All that does is drive away more viewers.

12/24/08

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ML31 wrote:

No, those teams are NOT interesting. We hear about them ALL the time and all it does is turn people off not just to those teams but baseball in general. I used to watch a lot more baseball than I do. I used to watch the national games. I used to watch ESPN and all their baseball shows. But I just got sick and tired of not just the east bias, but the NORTHeast bias. I pretty much don't watch ESPN at all anymore. I'm sure I am not alone. A LOT of people have claimed they don't watch anymore. It's a pathetic cycle. ESPN's ratings go down, so they do what they THINK viewers want. All that does is drive away more viewers.

ESPN is seriously hurting. I'm sure they'll miss you. Here we go with the Northeast Bias b.s....Yank your head out of your rear, the Yanks & Red Sox are great drama & have been for 90 years. The Rays are a movie-of-the-week. So you're telling me you'd like to see those incredible Mariners-Royals or Marlins-Pirates highlights instead of the Yanks-Red Sox? You're delusional & naive. Please enlighten me. What have the Marlins done this off season that would warrant any coverage?

12/24/08

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Pat wrote:

Tampa IS an interesting team. For true fans, it doesn't have to be Sox/Yanks all the time. I wanted to see Dodgers vs the Sox, but that's because I wanted my favorite team to do well, not because I thought it would be the best series. The Dodgers, outside of Manny, were a very average team.

Unfortunately the sports world isn't geared to true fans. Rays are interesting huh? Do you have those World Series ratings handy by any chance Pat?

12/24/08

2	jjh8857 wrote: Unfortunately the sports world isn't geared to true fans. Rays are interesting huh? Do you have those World Series ratings handy by any chance Pat? I watched every game. They were interesting. Don't confuse "interesting" with "popular".

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

ESPN is seriously hurting. I'm sure they'll miss you. Here we go with the Northeast Bias b.s....Yank your head out of your rear, the Yanks & Red Sox are great drama & have been for 90 years. The Rays are a movie-of-the-week. So you're telling me you'd like to see those incredible Mariners-Royals or Marlins-Pirates highlights instead of the Yanks-Red Sox? You're delusional & naive. Please enlighten me. What have the Marlins done this off season that would warrant any coverage?

Says you. No one but you outside of the NE corridor gives a rat's a$$ about the Yankees and/or Red Sox. Maybe they would be more into it if ESPN didn't shove those teams down the country's collective throat for the last 15 years.

Also, thanks to the pathetic wild card, what drama there COULD have been for those teams was 100% sucked out anyway over the last few years.

Yes, I would rather see Mariners-Royals highlights. Hell, I'd rather see Padres-Snakes highlights! I don't mind seeing Yankees-Red Sox highlights. But TV highlight programs should not devote 1/3 of their time to 2 of 30 teams. There are other, more INTERESTING teams out there to spend some time on.

I'm not talking about THIS off season specifically. Don't make asinine comments like that. I'm assuming you know better. The Yankees are in the news because they signed all the big free agents available. Duh...

I guess you subscribe to the idea that bad press is better than no press....

12/24/08

0	(Edited by ML31) jjh8857 wrote: Unfortunately the sports world isn't geared to true fans. Rays are interesting huh? Do you have those World Series ratings handy by any chance Pat? Want to talk about the Yankees and ratings? How about the FACT that all but one of the lowest rated World Series' ever have involved the Yankees or Red Sox? And all have been in the last 10 years. Imagine that....

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

You know why you don't hear about the Marlins or the Braves? Because they're not interesting. The Red Sox & Yankees are. ESPN has no obligation to cover every team equally they obviously cover the teams that people actually care about. Is anyone all up in arms over the Marlins free agent signees? Of course not so why would you hear anything about them.

Dude, you are blind to the obvious. I live in Miami, my parents own the ONLY Marlins Toyota Tundra ever given away, I was at the first game they ever played, game 7 of the WS in 97 and loved every minute of Miguel Cabrera slapping Roger Clemens' first pitch in Game 5 out of the park as a rookie, and I WOULD NOT WANT THEM TO PAY $422M to 3 guys just to win. It is bad for the sport. Are you really that dense??

And I was more interested in the Rays run last year then I was about anything having to do with the Yankees.

12/24/08

Seth

0	jjh8857 wrote: Sounds good to me. Maybe then some guys with nutsacks can buy the other teams & try to make them competetive. If those guys exist they can buy teams now. You do realize that an 8 team league would be horrible for baseball, jeez, the even NHL might become more popular.

12/24/08

bennyprofane

7	You know what the best part of this thread was? In the 6th post AG quoted the Bible... and everyone just ignored him.

12/24/08

0	bennyprofane wrote: You know what the best part of this thread was? In the 6th post AG quoted the Bible... and everyone just ignored him. I assumed he was an escaped mental patient or something...Quoting that piece of fiction is dumber than most of the anti-Yankees posts on here.

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DLay wrote:

Dude, you are blind to the obvious. I live in Miami, my parents own the ONLY Marlins Toyota Tundra ever given away, I was at the first game they ever played, game 7 of the WS in 97 and loved every minute of Miguel Cabrera slapping Roger Clemens' first pitch in Game 5 out of the park as a rookie, and I WOULD NOT WANT THEM TO PAY $422M to 3 guys just to win. It is bad for the sport. Are you really that dense??

And I was more interested in the Rays run last year then I was about anything having to do with the Yankees.

Lol, maybe YOU were more interested in a flash in the pan but not the rest of the world. Again get a god look at them because most of them will be somewhere else in 2010.

You guys seem to be pretty dense on the matter. Do you know why there isn't a bidding war to air the Division III NCAA Football Championship on Fox?

12/24/08

MrNFL

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jjh8857 wrote:

Lol, maybe YOU were more interested in a flash in the pan but not the rest of the world. Again get a god look at them because most of them will be somewhere else in 2010.

You guys seem to be pretty dense on the matter. Do you know why there isn't a bidding war to air the Division III NCAA Football Championship on Fox?

Man, you must LOVE the BCS. Don't give any team other than the big names a shot! Only the huge conference schools should even have a chance!

12/24/08

3	I say we eliminate all MLB teams who don't have a payroll over $200 million dollars and don't have at least 2 players making over $20M per year. Now THAT'S interesting baseball!

12/24/08

dallas_fan

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jjh8857 wrote:

I assumed he was an escaped mental patient or something...Quoting that piece of fiction is dumber than most of the anti-Yankees posts on here.

I figured you would like the Bible, seeing as how it has sold more copies than any other book ever written. You sem to be the bandwagon type. That would explain your fav teams all being from different corners of the US. What did you grow up in all four cities?

12/24/08

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dallas_fan wrote:

I figured you would like the Bible, seeing as how it has sold more copies than any other book ever written. You sem to be the bandwagon type. That would explain your fav teams all being from different corners of the US. What did you grow up in all four cities?

THe Cowboys Fan is calling me bandwagon...nice, It's not a matter of whom I'm a fan of...it's just what's interesting & what isn't.

The bible has been around for a long time...It's great fiction that's for sure.

12/24/08

0	jjh8857 wrote: THe Cowboys Fan is calling me bandwagon...nice, It's not a matter of whom I'm a fan of...it's just what's interesting & what isn't. The bible has been around for a long time...It's great fiction that's for sure. Your ignorance right there pretty much takes away any credibility you may have had remaining.

12/24/08

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MrNFL wrote:

Man, you must LOVE the BCS. Don't give any team other than the big names a shot! Only the huge conference schools should even have a chance!

It's the best system we've got. No I would love to see Utah & Boise State in the Nat'l Title ahead of Fla-Okla. That would be interesting. I'm sure hundred and hundred of people would watch. Yawn.

Hating the Yankees is the ultimate bandwagon behavior.

12/24/08

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nyrangers wrote:

Your ignorance right there pretty much takes away any credibility you may have had remaining.

It really hurts my feelings that some random person on a website doesn't think I have credibility. Especially someone with a Towlie pic as an icon.Maybe one day I'll earn your respect.

I work in sports talk radio so your opinion of whether or not I have credibility is moot. I don't come down to McDonald's & question how you make Big Macs now do I?

12/24/08

0	nyrangers wrote: I say we eliminate all MLB teams who don't have a payroll over $200 million dollars and don't have at least 2 players making over $20M per year. Now THAT'S interesting baseball! Oh wait you've changed my mind. Here's to a Pirates-Royals Series next year!

12/24/08

dallas_fan

0	jjh8857 wrote: THe Cowboys Fan is calling me bandwagon...nice, It's not a matter of whom I'm a fan of...it's just what's interesting & what isn't. The bible has been around for a long time...It's great fiction that's for sure. Not a bandwagon Cowboy fan (although I know that tag applies to quite a few of them). Have lived in Dallas for over 20 years.

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

It really hurts my feelings that some random person on a website doesn't think I have credibility. Especially someone with a Towlie pic as an icon.Maybe one day I'll earn your respect.

I work in sports talk radio so your opinion of whether or not I have credibility is moot. I don't come down to McDonald's & question how you make Big Macs now do I?

I'm not trying to hurt your feelings, just calling it like it is, I don't see how you can possibly think anyone is going to take you seriously when you say ignorant things like that. I'm not sure why you're still posting if you don't care what anyone thinks, unless you like talking to walls.

And did you just attack the towel????? That's a low blow!

Also, stop ripping jokes off other people, especially when it's the most baseless attack you can come up with. You know nothing about me.

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

It's the best system we've got. No I would love to see Utah & Boise State in the Nat'l Title ahead of Fla-Okla. That would be interesting. I'm sure hundred and hundred of people would watch. Yawn.

Hating the Yankees is the ultimate bandwagon behavior.

Once again, you're confusing "interesting" with "popular". The Boise State-TCU game last night was an excellent and very interesting game, despite the fact that many people didn't care to watch it. Their ignorance has no bearing whatsoever on the actual quality of the game.

The Yankees are popular.
The Rays are interesting.
The Cubs are popular.
The Phillies are interesting.

If your radio show content is anything like your comments on here, then I'm guessing it's neither.

As far as your blatantly incorrect statement claiming that hating the Yankees is the ultimate bandwagon behavior... that's simply ridiculous. People don't hate the Yankees because it's popular to do it, or because it's just another bandwagon. People hate the Yankees because of the way they do business, and the negative affect they have on the game.

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

THe Cowboys Fan is calling me bandwagon...nice, It's not a matter of whom I'm a fan of...it's just what's interesting & what isn't.

The bible has been around for a long time...It's great fiction that's for sure.

The Cowboys fan you referred to is also a fan of all of the other sports teams in the Dallas area, and lives in Dallas. That's pretty much the opposite of a bandwagon fan.

You, on the other hand, are from Alabama, and apparently root for a Chicago Baseball team, a Pittsburgh hockey team, a San Francisco football team and a San Antonio basketball team, each of whom has won a recent championship, or multiple championships in the 1990's. So depending on when you hopped on each respective bandwagon, it's safe to say that you're a bandwagon fan of every team you like.

And when you can name a story in the bible that has been absolutely proven to be fiction, let me know. Because there are far more confirmed facts than confirmed fiction in there. Nice attempt at a dig on someone's religion though... stay classy.

12/24/08

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Pat wrote:

The Cowboys fan you referred to is also a fan of all of the other sports teams in the Dallas area, and lives in Dallas. That's pretty much the opposite of a bandwagon fan.

You, on the other hand, are from Alabama, and apparently root for a Chicago Baseball team, a Pittsburgh hockey team, a San Francisco football team and a San Antonio basketball team, each of whom has won a recent championship, or multiple championships in the 1990's. So depending on when you hopped on each respective bandwagon, it's safe to say that you're a bandwagon fan of every team you like.

And when you can name a story in the bible that has been absolutely proven to be fiction, let me know. Because there are far more confirmed facts than confirmed fiction in there. Nice attempt at a dig on someone's religion though... stay classy.

Hmmmmm, so now I have to justify the teams I like, nice. Growing up here there are obviously no pro teams so I have no geographical allegiance. The White Sox AA Affiliate are the Birmingham Barons.

Everything in the bible is false. Have you ever seen or heard a virgin give birth? Moses lived to be 900 years old. Water into wine? Need I give more?

You guys couldn't handle my show. I have original opinions & am not a lemming.

I've never seen a group of GUYS who were so sensitve.

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

You know why you don't hear about the Marlins or the Braves? Because they're not interesting. The Red Sox & Yankees are. ESPN has no obligation to cover every team equally they obviously cover the teams that people actually care about. Is anyone all up in arms over the Marlins free agent signees? Of course not so why would you hear anything about them.

Sorry homie, but watching the Yanks and Sox destroy the "American Past-time" because the commish is too stupid/greedy to put in a salary cap is not even the slightest bit interesting!!!! I'd rather watch paint dry while being raped by a donkey, and everyone that I know feels the exact same. Wether you want to recognize it or not, the Yanks and the Sox need MLB and the MLB needs the fans outside of New York and Boston which they are losing in droves because they'd rather watch the MLS or the WNBA.

So get your fill of all the Yank and Sox news you can get, because if a salary cap and profit sharing isn't put into the game soon, the MLB will die and nobody but the Yanks and Sox fans will really care!!

12/24/08

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Pat wrote:

Once again, you're confusing "interesting" with "popular". The Boise State-TCU game last night was an excellent and very interesting game, despite the fact that many people didn't care to watch it. Their ignorance has no bearing whatsoever on the actual quality of the game.

The Yankees are popular.
The Rays are interesting.
The Cubs are popular.
The Phillies are interesting.

If your radio show content is anything like your comments on here, then I'm guessing it's neither.

As far as your blatantly incorrect statement claiming that hating the Yankees is the ultimate bandwagon behavior... that's simply ridiculous. People don't hate the Yankees because it's popular to do it, or because it's just another bandwagon. People hate the Yankees because of the way they do business, and the negative affect they have on the game.

It is the most bandwagon thing you can do. I know I sound like a broken record but without knowing anything about you guys I can tel you all have Lance Armstrong bracelets, hate the Lakers, Barry Bonds, Notre Dame & Duke Basketball. Cal it a hunch.

That game last night was good but not interesting at all. Discussions of that game didn't generate callers on talk radio yesterday. I know it is a difficult concept for you to grasp but the fact is no one cared. That's precisely why BSU was in San Diego last night & not in a bigger bowl. I don't think that you get where I'm coming from. What is interesting about the Rays? If they were so damn interesting why does their attendance suck & why were WS ratings so bad? You're a Sox fan so I see your bias & I get your bitterness. You're actually contending that the Yanks AREN'T interesting? They're so uninteresting in fact that you can't help but comment on each off season move they make. Interesting is the same as popular.

Of course TCU-BSU was a quality game but it featured teams that no one cares about. I know that bothers some of you to hear but it's true. These aren't my rules, I'm just reporting the facts.

12/24/08

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beerstudk wrote:

Sorry homie, but watching the Yanks and Sox destroy the "American Past-time" because the commish is too stupid/greedy to put in a salary cap is not even the slightest bit interesting!!!! I'd rather watch paint dry while being raped by a donkey, and everyone that I know feels the exact same. Wether you want to recognize it or not, the Yanks and the Sox need MLB and the MLB needs the fans outside of New York and Boston which they are losing in droves because they'd rather watch the MLS or the WNBA.

So get your fill of all the Yank and Sox news you can get, because if a salary cap and profit sharing isn't put into the game soon, the MLB will die and nobody but the Yanks and Sox fans will really care!!

All fair points. This issue has become diluted as we've gone along. The ire directed at the Yanks is because they benefit the most from the system. I say blame the system not NY as they're just playing the game. I mean what do you guys expect them to do....not spend money & not go after good players? Do the Yankees have an obligation to the Royals or Nationals? Honestly & not meaning to name call or anything but you guys just sound like a bunch of whiny babies who don't understand the system or the way it works. Should it chance? Maybe but that's not the Yankees fault. Are you the same guys who sit in the back of the bar & wonder why the hottest girls are hanging out with the cool, rich guys with nice cars? Mark Teixiera was the hot girl & the Yankees are the rich guy with the cool car. Maybe you have a really great personality & you'd treat her really good but this is the real world not Nickelodeon.

12/24/08

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"I know I sound like a broken record but without knowing anything about you guys I can tel you all have Lance Armstrong bracelets, hate the Lakers, Barry Bonds, Notre Dame & Duke Basketball. Cal it a hunch."

I never had a Lance Armstrong bracelet, but the rest apply. I'm a Celtics and Boston College fan... of course I hate the Lakers and Notre Dame. Why wouldn't I? The fact that the Irish are shoved down our throats on a weekly basis on TV instead of much better games that I would rather watch doesn't help either. And sure, I hate Duke. Most of their notable players are guyq who epitomize everything I hate about basketball. Barry Bonds is a cheater, and a complete a**hole, by all accounts. His arrogance in his chase of Hank Aaron's record was despicable.

So am I just a bandwagon fan because I hate those things? Or do I hate them for a reason? Clearly I have chosen to hate these things for my own reasons, and it has nothing to do with what anyone else is doing.

And you are still completely lost. Last night's game WAS interesting. You said yourself that it was a quality game. That MAKES it interesting. To a football fan, quality football is interesting.

You know why the Rays attendance sucks? Same reason why no one cared about the Poinsettia Bowl. Because a lot of people are ignorant. If ESPN doesn't tell them that they should care about something, then they don't.

Where did I say the Yankees weren't interesting? Right now, they are. Because they're DOING something, which is something that you can't say for many other teams. But last year, they were NOT an interesting team at all. They were very average. Next year? We'll see.

12/24/08

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Fair enough, don't get me wrong as a football fan I enjoyed the hell out of game last night. But in the bigger picture it was barely a blip. And Pat, holy crap, you actually are right. Last year the Yankees were only interesting in that Joe Torre was gone & we all wanted to see how Girardi would do.

Nothing is shoved down your throat as long as you have a remote.

Up until this year the Rays were horrible. So the people of Tampa were ignorant for not supporting a dreadful team?
Duke players epitomoze everything you hate about the game? What are those things, I bet this is golden. Hmmm, coachable, educated, good...
And way to go out on a limb about Bonds. I've never heard that before. Baseball didn't care enough about steroids to do anything so why should we? But that's a different argument for a different day. He's still the greatest player I have ever seen in my lifetime. I could read you off a laundry list of why but I have a feeling that would be futile.

This 'argument' has become circular & boring.

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

All fair points. This issue has become diluted as we've gone along. The ire directed at the Yanks is because they benefit the most from the system. I say blame the system not NY as they're just playing the game. I mean what do you guys expect them to do....not spend money & not go after good players? Do the Yankees have an obligation to the Royals or Nationals? Honestly & not meaning to name call or anything but you guys just sound like a bunch of whiny babies who don't understand the system or the way it works. Should it chance? Maybe but that's not the Yankees fault. Are you the same guys who sit in the back of the bar & wonder why the hottest girls are hanging out with the cool, rich guys with nice cars? Mark Teixiera was the hot girl & the Yankees are the rich guy with the cool car. Maybe you have a really great personality & you'd treat her really good but this is the real world not Nickelodeon.

Yes, there is a system in place. There is also a luxury tax threshold that most teams try to avoid going over, so that there team can stay operable. The Yankees? Well, we only have a farm system so that we can trade them away and spend all our money on a bunch of washed up has beens(at least in year's past). I do commend them that they spent money on talent that is a bit younger than in their past biddings. The fact that they ignore the luxury tax is a slap in the face to the system and the rest of the MLB. We've got more money, so f"$@ off!

No, I don't sit in the back of the bar and wonder why the hottest girls go after the money. It's because most of them are shallow, or just golddiggers.

As an example, was I happy when the Heat got Shaq as a quick-fix for a title run? Hell yeah. Now, they suffered last year because he got old and just isn't the Diesel anymore. The most exciting player on that team? Dwyane Wade. Riles still did what he had to do to avoid going over the salary cap. The NFL, NBA, and NHL all have salary caps, why doesn't baseball?

And who gives a crap if you're in sports radio on some crap AM station in Alabama? That doesn't give your opinion any more weight that anyone else's here. It just means you get paid to spew your opinions on the radio, hey you might even be half entertaining. Doesn't make you omnipotent sports guy either....

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

Fair enough, don't get me wrong as a football fan I enjoyed the hell out of game last night. But in the bigger picture it was barely a blip. And Pat, holy crap, you actually are right. Last year the Yankees were only interesting in that Joe Torre was gone & we all wanted to see how Girardi would do.

Nothing is shoved down your throat as long as you have a remote.

Up until this year the Rays were horrible. So the people of Tampa were ignorant for not supporting a dreadful team?
Duke players epitomoze everything you hate about the game? What are those things, I bet this is golden. Hmmm, coachable, educated, good...
And way to go out on a limb about Bonds. I've never heard that before. Baseball didn't care enough about steroids to do anything so why should we? But that's a different argument for a different day. He's still the greatest player I have ever seen in my lifetime. I could read you off a laundry list of why but I have a feeling that would be futile.

This 'argument' has become circular & boring.

In regards you made to Tampa's attendance, it's a pain in the ass to get to the Trop, and the surrounding neighborhoods aren't exactly pristine.

Duke? Coach K is a genius, but most of the kids that are there are only good college players in a fantastic system. I don't dislike them at all, but have a preference for North Carolina myself.

I do agree with you on Bonds. Roids or not, the guy still had several of the best offensive years ever in baseball. Roids don't give you the eye to be able to walk as much as he did, above and beyond no one wanting to tee one up for him.

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

All fair points. This issue has become diluted as we've gone along. The ire directed at the Yanks is because they benefit the most from the system. I say blame the system not NY as they're just playing the game. I mean what do you guys expect them to do....not spend money & not go after good players? Do the Yankees have an obligation to the Royals or Nationals? Honestly & not meaning to name call or anything but you guys just sound like a bunch of whiny babies who don't understand the system or the way it works. Should it chance? Maybe but that's not the Yankees fault. Are you the same guys who sit in the back of the bar & wonder why the hottest girls are hanging out with the cool, rich guys with nice cars? Mark Teixiera was the hot girl & the Yankees are the rich guy with the cool car. Maybe you have a really great personality & you'd treat her really good but this is the real world not Nickelodeon.

I don't hate the Yankees because they get the good players.... I hate them because they're the Yankees and I'm not from New York or a biter!!

The system is all f*cked up and in my mind the best thing to do is put a strict-ass, Roger Goodell style salary cap and profit sharing for everybody. Parody is what makes the other sports great to watch and with the MLB the way it is parody is all but extinct. That's why I no longer enjoy following baseball, no parody.

12/24/08

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DLay wrote:

Yes, there is a system in place. There is also a luxury tax threshold that most teams try to avoid going over, so that there team can stay operable. The Yankees? Well, we only have a farm system so that we can trade them away and spend all our money on a bunch of washed up has beens(at least in year's past). I do commend them that they spent money on talent that is a bit younger than in their past biddings. The fact that they ignore the luxury tax is a slap in the face to the system and the rest of the MLB. We've got more money, so f"$@ off!

No, I don't sit in the back of the bar and wonder why the hottest girls go after the money. It's because most of them are shallow, or just golddiggers.

As an example, was I happy when the Heat got Shaq as a quick-fix for a title run? Hell yeah. Now, they suffered last year because he got old and just isn't the Diesel anymore. The most exciting player on that team? Dwyane Wade. Riles still did what he had to do to avoid going over the salary cap. The NFL, NBA, and NHL all have salary caps, why doesn't baseball?

And who gives a crap if you're in sports radio on some crap AM station in Alabama? That doesn't give your opinion any more weight that anyone else's here. It just means you get paid to spew your opinions on the radio, hey you might even be half entertaining. Doesn't make you omnipotent sports guy either....

I never claimed to be an authority it was just my response to Random Internet Guy challenging my credibility & how funny it was.

12/24/08

5	In the future, you should just say stuff like that in your head, and not actually type them and submit it as a comment. I'm sure Jesus will hear you either way.

12/24/08

MrNFL

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jjh8857 wrote:

It's the best system we've got. No I would love to see Utah & Boise State in the Nat'l Title ahead of Fla-Okla. That would be interesting. I'm sure hundred and hundred of people would watch. Yawn.

Hating the Yankees is the ultimate bandwagon behavior.

So you'd rather not see the best teams get a chance to play for a legitimate championship? Hard to take anything you say seriously from this point. Because letting biased voters and a computer ranking determine the "Two best teams" is a fair way to determine a "champion".

And for the record, I don't hate the Yankees, I don't care enough about baseball to hate the Yankees. The fact that you seem to think mid market teams don't even DESERVE to exist is what's funny.

12/24/08

2	jjh8857 wrote: Oh wait you've changed my mind. Here's to a Pirates-Royals Series next year! Under the current system, the odds of such a thing would be astronomical. However, if both teams won their divisions and made it that far, it would be an INCREDIBLE story. And a GREAT thing for baseball. A hell of a lot more interesting than seeing the same old boring teams on top year after year.

12/24/08

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beerstudk wrote:

Sorry homie, but watching the Yanks and Sox destroy the "American Past-time" because the commish is too stupid/greedy to put in a salary cap is not even the slightest bit interesting!!!! I'd rather watch paint dry while being raped by a donkey, and everyone that I know feels the exact same. Wether you want to recognize it or not, the Yanks and the Sox need MLB and the MLB needs the fans outside of New York and Boston which they are losing in droves because they'd rather watch the MLS or the WNBA.

So get your fill of all the Yank and Sox news you can get, because if a salary cap and profit sharing isn't put into the game soon, the MLB will die and nobody but the Yanks and Sox fans will really care!!

For the record, for all of Selig's faults, it is not entirely his doing why there is no salary cap. It is because the TRUE lords of baseball refuse to allow it. (The MLBPA)

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

It is the most bandwagon thing you can do. I know I sound like a broken record but without knowing anything about you guys I can tel you all have Lance Armstrong bracelets, hate the Lakers, Barry Bonds, Notre Dame & Duke Basketball. Cal it a hunch.

That game last night was good but not interesting at all. Discussions of that game didn't generate callers on talk radio yesterday. I know it is a difficult concept for you to grasp but the fact is no one cared. That's precisely why BSU was in San Diego last night & not in a bigger bowl. I don't think that you get where I'm coming from. What is interesting about the Rays? If they were so damn interesting why does their attendance suck & why were WS ratings so bad? You're a Sox fan so I see your bias & I get your bitterness. You're actually contending that the Yanks AREN'T interesting? They're so uninteresting in fact that you can't help but comment on each off season move they make. Interesting is the same as popular.

Of course TCU-BSU was a quality game but it featured teams that no one cares about. I know that bothers some of you to hear but it's true. These aren't my rules, I'm just reporting the facts.

Let me correct you (yet again)... I do not have a Lance Armstrong bracelet. I don't care about the Lakers. I thought Bonds was the best player on the field in any game he played in. I didn't go to Notre Dame so I don't care about them. Same with Duke. Your hunches are wrong.

Let me tell you, college football (or more correctly Minor League football) is such an incredibly regional thing. There are parts of the country where people can't get enough and parts where people just have a collective yawn over the whole thing. No one in the market I live in ever talks about it. Even the BCS title game gets little to no ink or airtime here. I know I don't care.

What is interesting about the Rays? How about the fact that they won the AL East and are NOT called the Yankees or Red Sox? That alone makes them worth talking about.
Their attendance sucks because they play in a terrible baseball market and in a terrible stadium. Personally, I don't think the '98 expansion should have even happened but that is water under the bridge. They had a good team that finally came together in '08. It's too bad that the economic structure of the game will require those players to leave that team sooner rather than later.

12/24/08

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jjh8857 wrote:

All fair points. This issue has become diluted as we've gone along. The ire directed at the Yanks is because they benefit the most from the system. I say blame the system not NY as they're just playing the game. I mean what do you guys expect them to do....not spend money & not go after good players? Do the Yankees have an obligation to the Royals or Nationals? Honestly & not meaning to name call or anything but you guys just sound like a bunch of whiny babies who don't understand the system or the way it works. Should it chance? Maybe but that's not the Yankees fault. Are you the same guys who sit in the back of the bar & wonder why the hottest girls are hanging out with the cool, rich guys with nice cars? Mark Teixiera was the hot girl & the Yankees are the rich guy with the cool car. Maybe you have a really great personality & you'd treat her really good but this is the real world not Nickelodeon.

People DO hate the system. But the system is not something tangible. The Yankees are poster boys of what is wrong with the system. So the hate for the system manifests itself as hate for the Yankees. They are almost one in the same.

Clear enough for you?

12/25/08

0	I think that about sums it up!

12/25/08

1	ML31 wrote: For the record, for all of Selig's faults, it is not entirely his doing why there is no salary cap. It is because the TRUE lords of baseball refuse to allow it. (The MLBPA) Ya, I wanted to say "the powers that be" but felt that the generic term "the commish" would suffice. MLB needs profit sharing to go along with a salary cap too.

12/25/08

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beerstudk wrote:

Ya, I wanted to say "the powers that be" but felt that the generic term "the commish" would suffice.

MLB needs profit sharing to go along with a salary cap too.

I agree. An effective revenue sharing plan needs to be used in conjunction with a cap. I would propose that all teams be forced to contribute a significant portion of their local media profits to pool that then gets redistributed so that all teams get 1/30th of it. And of course, mechanisms would need to be put in place to ensure the figures are accurate.

12/27/08

dallas_fan

0	jjh8857 wrote: I never claimed to be an authority it was just my response to Random Internet Guy challenging my credibility & how funny it was. So what exactly do you do for the the "Ump". After looking over their website I can't seem to find any information about you. Do you actually have a show?

12/28/08