2007 Most Overrated Players and Coaches in College Football

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(Edited by Pat)

As someone who gets the chance to watch Colt Brennan more often than most, I would say that he's not overrated at all.

His accuracy is ridiculous. Any type of pass, Colt will be right on target.
He's got above average speed, for a QB, and can find running lanes in the defense and run for the 1st down when there's no one open downfield.
He threw 58 TD passes last year, and wasn't even a Heisman finalist.

I repeat...he threw an NCAA record 58 TD passes last year, and wasn't even a Heisman finalist.

I don't think there's any way that anyone could reasonably say that Colt Brennan is overrated right now. Regardless of what you say about the style of offense, that's a ridiculous amount of TD's, and he did so with only 12 INT's, a 72.6% completion percentage, and a 9.93 average yards per attempt.

Not much can be said for most of Hawaii's opponents, but he did throw for 5 TD's against undefeated Boise State.

I'm not saying Colt Brennan is the BEST quarterback in college football, but to say that a guy is overrated when he puts up such monster numbers and gets snubbed as a Heisman finalist in favor of the likes of Brady Quinn...that's just wrong.

7/27/07

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Pat wrote:

As someone who gets the chance to watch Colt Brennan more often than most, I would say that he's not overrated at all.

His accuracy is ridiculous. Any type of pass, Colt will be right on target.
He's got above average speed, for a QB, and can find running lanes in the defense and run for the 1st down when there's no one open downfield.
He threw 58 TD passes last year, and wasn't even a Heisman finalist.

I repeat...he threw an NCAA record 58 TD passes last year, and wasn't even a Heisman finalist.

I don't think there's any way that anyone could reasonably say that Colt Brennan is overrated right now. Regardless of what you say about the style of offense, that's a ridiculous amount of TD's, and he did so with only 12 INT's, a 72.6% completion percentage, and a 9.93 average yards per attempt.

Not much can be said for most of Hawaii's opponents, but he did throw for 5 TD's against undefeated Boise State.

I'm not saying Colt Brennan is the BEST quarterback in college football, but to say that a guy is overrated when he puts up such monster numbers and gets snubbed as a Heisman finalist in favor of the likes of Brady Quinn...that's just wrong.

I AGREE Colt should not be on the list!

7/27/07

Eric

0	dagreatjerbear wrote: I AGREE Colt should not be on the list! It's ok. It's a personal opinion of the writer. Just gotta show up and post your opinions as well... like that. Also, Colt shouldn't be on the list!

7/27/07

0	Eric wrote: It's ok. It's a personal opinion of the writer. Just gotta show up and post your opinions as well... like that. Also, Colt shouldn't be on the list! a lot of support for colt!

7/27/07

Eric

0	dagreatjerbear wrote: a lot of support for colt! I don't know that I would go that far... lol. But, I do think he shouldn't be on the list as most overrated...seing as he wasn't a heisman finalist meant that he wasn't really overrated. Otherwise, as Pat said.. 68 TDs should get you somewhere... and not on a "most overrated list"

7/27/07

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Eric wrote:

I don't know that I would go that far... lol. But, I do think he shouldn't be on the list as most overrated...seing as he wasn't a heisman finalist meant that he wasn't really overrated. Otherwise, as Pat said.. 68 TDs should get you somewhere... and not on a "most overrated list"

all good points! Colt dont have muchhype so it hard to be overrated. I dont think ray rice is overated either

7/27/07

ahusted

2	Cotl Brennan was the first player I thought of when I read the title. I know he broke a bunch of records, but he is no better than Timmy Chang and Chang is now playing for Hamilton in the CFL

7/27/07

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ahusted wrote:

Cotl Brennan was the first player I thought of when I read the title. I know he broke a bunch of records, but he is no better than Timmy Chang and Chang is now playing for Hamilton in the CFL

Seriously...what else could Colt Brennan possibly do? He shattered a lot of college passing numbers, and wasn't even a Heisman finalist. How is that overrated?

I'm not comparing Brennan to Peyton Manning, but if Manning was in that offense, would his numbers REALLY be any better than the ones that Colt Brennan put up last year?

He may be a little over hyped in the urban dictionary, but to say that he's overrated is just absurd.

I can only assume this is only a sick joke by CF, trying to get back at me for talking bad about his fellow Miami (OH) alum Big Ben.

7/27/07

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kantwistaye wrote:

Completely agree on Chad Henne, also I don't think Mike Hart is as good as advertised. I think his Heisman candidacy is a joke, considering he's not even the best RB in the Big Ten. That said, Michigan has a pretty sick offense, particularly that Manningham guy.

I would argue Mike Hart is underrated, still. HE'S the key to the offense. Always, ALWAYS getting extra yards and willing to take the pounding for a little guy. I like Hart.

7/27/07

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Pat wrote:

Seriously...what else could Colt Brennan possibly do? He shattered a lot of college passing numbers, and wasn't even a Heisman finalist. How is that overrated?

I'm not comparing Brennan to Peyton Manning, but if Manning was in that offense, would his numbers REALLY be any better than the ones that Colt Brennan put up last year?

He may be a little over hyped in the urban dictionary, but to say that he's overrated is just absurd.

I can only assume this is only a sick joke by CF, trying to get back at me for talking bad about his fellow Miami (OH) alum Big Ben.

Not a sick joke ... I've watched a fair amount of Colt's games and I'll be the first one this season to say I'm wrong when I see it.

My argument is that he's a preseason Heisman contender merely because of his numbers. Numbers that have come against some extremely poor defenses. As I said, 20+ other QB's could put up similar numbers. He's good but not the #1 QB that Rivals has him ranked.

7/27/07

Adam

0	I really don't agree that Ray Rice is over-rated. I know he will miss Brian Leonard, but if he gets better year to year, then it's going to be a big year.

7/27/07

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Adam wrote:

I really don't agree that Ray Rice is over-rated. I know he will miss Brian Leonard, but if he gets better year to year, then it's going to be a big year.

Yes, but defenses will now only focus on Rice. Of course, he's likely improved a little bit, but what a lot of fans don't see that Leonard not only opened HUGE holes with blocking, but also with the threat of him getting the ball. Leonard remains one of the most underrated college players in as long as I've watching college football.

7/27/07

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

Not a sick joke ... I've watched a fair amount of Colt's games and I'll be the first one this season to say I'm wrong when I see it.

My argument is that he's a preseason Heisman contender merely because of his numbers. Numbers that have come against some extremely poor defenses. As I said, 20+ other QB's could put up similar numbers. He's good but not the #1 QB that Rivals has him ranked.

"My argument is that he's a preseason Heisman contender merely because of his numbers"

Does a better reason exist? That's why McFadden's up there too. Sure, Brennan's numbers came in an offense that was well suited for a QB's stats, and against a few lousy teams. But it's not like anyone else had numbers that were remotely close. I think he put enough distance between himself and the rest of the QB's in the country that his candidacy is legitimate.

"I'll be the first one this season to say I'm wrong when I see it"

Honestly, what would it take? Their schedule really isn't any better this year, and June Jones has promised to use this year to try to make Colt a more desirable NFL prospect. IF Hawaii uses a more pro-style offense (I'm still not convinced they will), and Brennan's numbers suffer a little bit, but are still very good, then honestly how will that change anything in your mind? What if he puts up another 58 TD's in the same style of offense? Does that prove anything? I'm really not sure what else Colt would have to do.

7/27/07

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Pat wrote:

"My argument is that he's a preseason Heisman contender merely because of his numbers"

Does a better reason exist? That's why McFadden's up there too. Sure, Brennan's numbers came in an offense that was well suited for a QB's stats, and against a few lousy teams. But it's not like anyone else had numbers that were remotely close. I think he put enough distance between himself and the rest of the QB's in the country that his candidacy is legitimate.

"I'll be the first one this season to say I'm wrong when I see it"

Honestly, what would it take? Their schedule really isn't any better this year, and June Jones has promised to use this year to try to make Colt a more desirable NFL prospect. IF Hawaii uses a more pro-style offense (I'm still not convinced they will), and Brennan's numbers suffer a little bit, but are still very good, then honestly how will that change anything in your mind? What if he puts up another 58 TD's in the same style of offense? Does that prove anything? I'm really not sure what else Colt would have to do.

WOW your missing point. Going by merely stats is the wrong way to solely judge a football player. But if we're going to go by stats, this is my issue I've made clear:

Brennan puts his numbers up against no one.
McFadden puts his number up against the SEC. And if Arkansas chose to run on every down with only Darren he'd break all kinds of records.

If USC chose to pass on every down John David Booty could rack up whatever he wanted in the passing stats.

7/27/07

0	Out of curiosity ... what were your thoughts on Ron Dayne in college?

7/27/07

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

Out of curiosity ... what were your thoughts on Ron Dayne in college?

Dayne was excellent in college. The Heisman isn't for "Best NFL Prospect". It's for "Best College Player". And it's fair to hold it against a guy when he doesn't compete against half of the top 25 all year. But at the same time, when a guy has 20 TD's and almost 1,000 yards more than the next guy, I feel that's enough to warrant some Heisman consideration. It's not like Colt's numbers were BARELY better. They were completely out of the stratosphere.

7/27/07

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Pat wrote:

Dayne was excellent in college. The Heisman isn't for "Best NFL Prospect". It's for "Best College Player". And it's fair to hold it against a guy when he doesn't compete against half of the top 25 all year. But at the same time, when a guy has 20 TD's and almost 1,000 yards more than the next guy, I feel that's enough to warrant some Heisman consideration. It's not like Colt's numbers were BARELY better. They were completely out of the stratosphere.

The reason I brought up Dayne was because he got the ball 40+ times a game and was the product of his offensive line. Good player, but made into a hero by those just looking at numbers.

7/27/07

0	I would include Mario Manningham and Steve Slaton to the list and I pretty much agree with every one already on the list.

7/27/07

Beat_LA415

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how is Jeff Tedford overrated?
Cal was 1-10 the year before Tedford arrived
Year 1: Cal had their first winning (7-5) season in 9 years
Year 2: Cal (8-6) upset the eventual national champion Trojans
Year 3: Cal finished the regular season ranked 5^th (10-1), dropped to 9th after the bowl loss
Year 4: Cal ranked as high as 9th during the season, and finished in the top 25 (8-4).
Year 5: A second 10 win season, and a win in the Holiday Bowl (10-3) top25 finish.

A bowl ever year they were not on probation, and 2 ten win seasons. This from a school that had not had a winning season from 1993 until 2002 (when Tedford arrived).

7/27/07

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Beat_LA415 wrote:

how is Jeff Tedford overrated?
Cal was 1-10 the year before Tedford arrived
Year 1: Cal had their first winning (7-5) season in 9 years
Year 2: Cal (8-6) upset the eventual national champion Trojans
Year 3: Cal finished the regular season ranked 5^th (10-1), dropped to 9th after the bowl loss
Year 4: Cal ranked as high as 9th during the season, and finished in the top 25 (8-4).
Year 5: A second 10 win season, and a win in the Holiday Bowl (10-3) top25 finish.

A bowl ever year they were not on probation, and 2 ten win seasons. This from a school that had not had a winning season from 1993 until 2002 (when Tedford arrived).

This isn't whether or not he's a good coach. He IS a good coach, and in his early years was perhaps underrated. But now, Cal has failed to live up to preseason expectations two years in a row.

(p.s. I actually like the guy quite a bit)

7/27/07

0	CriticalFanatic wrote: This isn't whether or not he's a good coach. He IS a good coach, and in his early years was perhaps underrated. But now, Cal has failed to live up to preseason expectations two years in a row. (p.s. I actually like the guy quite a bit) I dont agree with any points you have made it just sounds like qwhat ever the experts tell u is what u agree with it

7/27/07

ahusted

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Pat wrote:

Dayne was excellent in college. The Heisman isn't for "Best NFL Prospect". It's for "Best College Player". And it's fair to hold it against a guy when he doesn't compete against half of the top 25 all year. But at the same time, when a guy has 20 TD's and almost 1,000 yards more than the next guy, I feel that's enough to warrant some Heisman consideration. It's not like Colt's numbers were BARELY better. They were completely out of the stratosphere.

If this was why guys went to college, they'd all go play for the WAC conference because its a pancake schedule for most teams.

I am pretty sure this website is real Colt Brennan for Heisman. I think the Heisman voters last season were high on his numbers and will be this year. But take Colt and put him against teams with tough defenses in an offense where he is going to take some hits and he might have numbers a lot closer to his field. His TD @s will drop to high 40s and his INT numbers are going to increase to the 20s.

College Passer Ratings are also not a good stat. Here are the last 5

Ryan Dinwiddie - Boise St (188.19)

Philip Rivers - NC State (170.49)

Stefan LeFors - Louisville (181.74)

Rudy Carpenter - ASU (175.01)

Colt Brennan - Hawaii (185.96)

Non of them won the Heisman and he shouldn't either.

7/27/07

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ahusted wrote:

If this was why guys went to college, they'd all go play for the WAC conference because its a pancake schedule for most teams.

I am pretty sure this website is real Colt Brennan for Heisman. I think the Heisman voters last season were high on his numbers and will be this year. But take Colt and put him against teams with tough defenses in an offense where he is going to take some hits and he might have numbers a lot closer to his field. His TD @s will drop to high 40s and his INT numbers are going to increase to the 20s.

College Passer Ratings are also not a good stat. Here are the last 5

Ryan Dinwiddie - Boise St (188.19)

Philip Rivers - NC State (170.49)

Stefan LeFors - Louisville (181.74)

Rudy Carpenter - ASU (175.01)

Colt Brennan - Hawaii (185.96)

Non of them won the Heisman and he shouldn't either.

Just so you know (I'm not sure if a lot of people are familiar with the situation), Colt Brennan didn't always go to UH. He originally was supposed to be play at Colorado, but was kicked off the team for an incident in the middle of the flood of allegations that were going on at the time. He was later cleared because of lack of evidence.

Colt Brennan isn't just some guy who went to UH because he couldn't cut it at a "Real" football power. He could have played in the Big 12, and it didn't work out. Since then, he has become a model citizen, and has obviously performed well on the field.

7/27/07

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Pat wrote:

Just so you know (I'm not sure if a lot of people are familiar with the situation), Colt Brennan didn't always go to UH. He originally was supposed to be play at Colorado, but was kicked off the team for an incident in the middle of the flood of allegations that were going on at the time. He was later cleared because of lack of evidence.

Colt Brennan isn't just some guy who went to UH because he couldn't cut it at a "Real" football power. He could have played in the Big 12, and it didn't work out. Since then, he has become a model citizen, and has obviously performed well on the field.

Not really important, but he followed Leinart (right?) in high school.

7/27/07

ahusted

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Pat wrote:

Just so you know (I'm not sure if a lot of people are familiar with the situation), Colt Brennan didn't always go to UH. He originally was supposed to be play at Colorado, but was kicked off the team for an incident in the middle of the flood of allegations that were going on at the time. He was later cleared because of lack of evidence.

Colt Brennan isn't just some guy who went to UH because he couldn't cut it at a "Real" football power. He could have played in the Big 12, and it didn't work out. Since then, he has become a model citizen, and has obviously performed well on the field.

He also went to CC for a year, right? So he's a guy who has righted the ship. Good for him. He would've been a mediocre QB at Colorado with bad numbers. Now he is a mediorce QB at Hawaii with good ones.

7/27/07

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

Not really important, but he followed Leinart (right?) in high school.

This is true.

By the way...one factor (out of many) in UH's weak schedule:

Michigan State is scared to play them in Hawaii

"Another game, at home against Michigan State, was previously on the schedule.

But Michigan State is trying to get out of the contracted game. MSU officials said they don't want to play a 13th game at Hawaii next year because it would interfere too much with academics.

Michigan State is disputing a $250,000 buyout clause in the contract for the game. The issue is being handled by lawyers from UH and MSU.

Hawaii athletic director Herman Frazier said he cannot announce the Warriors' 2007 football schedule until it is resolved, at the risk of losing some or part of the $250,000."

Because of this, Hawaii was forced to schedule a D1-AA team (Eastern Washington).

7/27/07

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(Edited by CriticalFanatic)
Pat wrote:

This is true.

By the way...one factor (out of many) in UH's weak schedule:

Michigan State is scared to play them in Hawaii

"Another game, at home against Michigan State, was previously on the schedule.

But Michigan State is trying to get out of the contracted game. MSU officials said they don't want to play a 13th game at Hawaii next year because it would interfere too much with academics.

Michigan State is disputing a $250,000 buyout clause in the contract for the game. The issue is being handled by lawyers from UH and MSU.

Hawaii athletic director Herman Frazier said he cannot announce the Warriors' 2007 football schedule until it is resolved, at the risk of losing some or part of the $250,000."

Because of this, Hawaii was forced to schedule a D1-AA team (Eastern Washington).

You know the real story behind that Pat. Don't be foolish. Scared is not the right word.

Michigan State prefers to play games that are correctly officiated. That was an abomination of football the last time they played in Hawaii. When the Warriors came to East Lansing, Hawaii played displayed the least class of any team I've ever seen at MSU.

Michigan State would prefer to align itself with decent programs. THAT is the reason.

7/27/07

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

You know the real story behind that Pat. Don't be foolish. Scared is not the right word.

Michigan State prefers to play games that are correctly officiated. That was an abomination of football the last time they played in Hawaii. When the Warriors came to East Lansing, Hawaii played displayed the least class of any team I've ever seen at MSU.

Michigan State would prefer to align itself with decent programs. THAT is the reason.

and John L had class?

7/27/07

http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/Candidates/Brennan/colt-2007.html

1	MarkTheShark wrote: and John L had class? Don't confuse being a nutjob with classless.

7/30/07

jeremiahmeek

0	Oh can a QB be over-rated? Especially after throwing 58 TD's, why not blame it on his system? Was he smart to go to Hawaii and play in a system he liked? He can throw a great ball, I just to see when they play BSU. Also why is it that most other schools didn't want to play Hawaii this year? Were they afraid to lose to them?

8/1/07

Hawaii808

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(Edited by Hawaii808)

Two arguements vs Colt:

1) He doesn't play anyone. Lets see how he did vs Booty against common opponets...

Colt vs ASU

Hawaii Passing
	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT
Colt Brennan	33/42	559	13.3	5	1

Booty vs ASU

USC Passing
	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT
John David Booty	12/25	148	5.9	2	1

Colt vs OSU

Hawaii Passing
	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT
Colt Brennan	37/50	401	8.0	2	2

Booty vs OSU

USC Passing
	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT
John David Booty	24/39	406	10.4	3	1

Colt did very well against BCS teams and Boise State although as a team they didn't win all those games...

Purdue

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT
Colt Brennan	33/48	434	9.0	3	1

Alabama

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT
Colt Brennan	30/44	350	8.0	2	1

Boise State

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT
Colt Brennan	25/36	388	10.8	5	1

It doesn't matter who Colt plays he throws for at least 400+ yards, COMPLETES 70+ % of his passes, Will throw for 3-5 TDs, while giving up maybe 1 INT. (Timmy Chang NEVER completed 70% of his passes and he threw many INTs. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE)

2) System QB: No matter what system you are in you still have to make the play. Colt completes 73% of his passes. The fact that a QB completes 73% of his passes is impressive whether he throws 20 or 40 passes. In the run-and -shoot system a QB is supposed to throw for plenty of yards due to the amount of pass plays, but the system also alots for lower completion percentagse and a higher number of INTs. Colt has a high completion percentage and a low INT numbers then QBs that throw half the amount as he does. Timmy is a system QB, Colt is not. I think most of the doubters are Sunday morning stat readers and have not actually seen this guy play.

How can a guy who broke 20 ALL TIME NCAA Records with the EFFICIENCY that Colt did and not even get invited to NY last year be considered over-rated?! (I don't think that this has ever happened. Most people make judgements on this guy without ever seeing him play due to the late Hawaii gam times. ...If you want to actually see Colt play go to this website:

8/1/07

Hawaii808

2	(Edited by Hawaii808) ABout Michigan State: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jDfszTciy4 The fact is that the Michigan State players were tired by the end of the game. The O-line was reaching and holding rather then blocking. I was on the field and over herd one ref tell the media they could have called holding on almost every play in the 4th quarter against MSU.

8/1/07

0	Good to see another Warriors fan around!

8/1/07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jDfszTciy4

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Hawaii808 wrote:

ABout Michigan State:

The fact is that the Michigan State players were tired by the end of the game. The O-line was reaching and holding rather then blocking. I was on the field and over herd one ref tell the media they could have called holding on almost every play in the 4th quarter against MSU.

You guys are building quite a case for him. I'm lazy can you or Pat post their schedule. Maybe I'll stay up late one Sat night and check this guy out. What with the Buccaneers picking first in the 2008 NFL draft I need to see this guy.

8/1/07

kantwistaye

0	MarkTheShark wrote: You guys are building quite a case for him. I'm lazy can you or Pat post their schedule. Maybe I'll stay up late one Sat night and check this guy out. What with the Buccaneers picking first in the 2008 NFL draft I need to see this guy. Ahem... the Packers have the first pick, and we'll be taking Darren McFadden.

8/1/07

Hawaii808

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At first I read this post and thought maybe the writter was simply a uninformed "sunday morning" stat reader. Then I read another of his post about Hawaii's facilities and inserting a cheap shot about "dirty" play. I realized that the author had to be a supporter of one of three schools Fresno State, BYU or Michigan State. I checked his profile and I was right...

I've never heard such a "big time" program filled with so many cry babies. First it was the officials. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jDfszTciy4. As you see that was simply an excuse. Oh yah Hawaii also hires Pac10 officials for B10 schools now just so we don't have to hear crying. THen they paid $250,000 to not play Hawaii this year. I think there reason was that it costs to much. They neglect to say that playing Hawaii allows them to schedule an extra home game, which means $$$. To me I think it has more to do with the loses in Hawaii that both their bball and football teams have recieved ...

Bball: Hawaii 84 ....#5 Michigan State 62

Fball: Hawaii 41.... Michigan State 38

8/2/07

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ahusted wrote:

If this was why guys went to college, they'd all go play for the WAC conference because its a pancake schedule for most teams.

I am pretty sure this website is real Colt Brennan for Heisman. I think the Heisman voters last season were high on his numbers and will be this year. But take Colt and put him against teams with tough defenses in an offense where he is going to take some hits and he might have numbers a lot closer to his field. His TD @s will drop to high 40s and his INT numbers are going to increase to the 20s.

College Passer Ratings are also not a good stat. Here are the last 5

Ryan Dinwiddie - Boise St (188.19)

Philip Rivers - NC State (170.49)

Stefan LeFors - Louisville (181.74)

Rudy Carpenter - ASU (175.01)

Colt Brennan - Hawaii (185.96)

Non of them won the Heisman and he shouldn't either.

How many of those guys also led the country in yards per attempt, TD's and passing yards?

8/2/07

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MarkTheShark wrote:

You guys are building quite a case for him. I'm lazy can you or Pat post their schedule. Maybe I'll stay up late one Sat night and check this guy out. What with the Buccaneers picking first in the 2008 NFL draft I need to see this guy.

Date	Opponent	Result/Time	Record/Tickets	TV
September 2	Northern Colorado	12:05 AM ET	Tickets
September 8	at Louisiana Tech	7:00 PM ET	Tickets
September 15	at UNLV	9:30 PM ET	Tickets
September 23	Charleston Southern	12:05 AM ET	Tickets
September 29	at Idaho	5:00 PM ET	Tickets
October 7	Utah State	12:05 AM ET	Tickets
October 12	at San Jose State	8:00 PM ET	Tickets
October 28	New Mexico State	12:05 AM ET	Tickets
November 10	Fresno State	11:05 PM ET	Tickets
November 16	at Nevada	11:05 PM ET	Tickets
November 23	Boise State	9:05 PM ET	Tickets
December 1	Washington

Courtesy espn. Like has already been established...it's NOT a strong schedule.

8/6/07

spammusubi

1	COLT SHOULD NO WAY BE ON THIS LIST!!!

1/5/08

Adam

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

Yes, but defenses will now only focus on Rice. Of course, he's likely improved a little bit, but what a lot of fans don't see that Leonard not only opened HUGE holes with blocking, but also with the threat of him getting the ball. Leonard remains one of the most underrated college players in as long as I've watching college football.

So much for Leonard opening big holes, Rice finished with 2,012 yards, 3rd in d1a. Just thought i'd let you know ;-)

1/25/08