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6/25/09
2009 NBA Draft Live Thread
Futures Will Be Made And Destroyed Tonight. Well... Maybe. [NBA Draft Live Thread]
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We all know that Blake Griffin will be the #1 overall pick, but the rest of the 2009 NBA Draft is pretty much the biggest crapshoot that we've seen in a long time. This is one of those years where no one has any idea what's going to happen until... well... until it actually happens.

You can watch the 2009 NBA Draft on ESPN, where the pre-Draft coverage starts at 7pm EST, and the actual Draft begins at 7:30.

If you're watching, chat it up here. I'll be posting updates as it happens, but give your thoughts on each pick, and feel free to give analysis and predictions whenever you feel like it.

You can start by telling us who you think will be the biggest bust from this year's draft class. And as the draft moves along, let us know whether each pick will be a bust, or if it was a good pick.

Enjoy the Draft, and stick around until the end! Here's the draft order (so far):

1. Los Angeles Clippers - Blake Griffin, F, Oklahoma
2. Memphis Grizzlies - Hasheem Thabeet, C, Connecticut
3. Oklahoma City Thunder - James Harden, G, Arizona State
4. Sacramento Kings - Tyreke Evans, G, Memphis
5. Minnesota Timberwolves (from Washington) - Ricky Rubio, G, Spain
6. Minnesota Timberwolves - Jonny Flynn, G, Syracuse
7. Golden State Warriors - Stephen Curry, G, Davidson
8. New York Knicks - Jordan Hill, F, Arizona
9. Toronto Raptors - DeMar DeRozan, G, USC
10. Milwaukee Bucks - Brandon Jennings, G, Italy
11. New Jersey Nets - Terrence Williams, F, Louisville
12. Charlotte Bobcats - Gerald Henderson, G, Duke
13. Indiana Pacers - Tyler Hansbrough, F, North Carolina
14. Phoenix Suns - Earl Clark, F, Louisville
15. Detroit Pistons - Austin Daye, F, Gonzaga
16. Chicago Bulls - James Johnson, F, Wake Forest
17. Philadelphia 76ers - Jrue Holiday, G, UCLA
18. Minnesota Timberwolves (from Miami) - Ty Lawson, G, North Carolina
19. Atlanta Hawks - Jeff Teague, G, Wake Forest
20. Utah Jazz - Eric Maynor, G, VCU
21. New Orleans Hornets - Darren Collison, G, UCLA
22. Portland Trail Blazers (from Dallas) - Victor Claver, F, Spain
23. Sacramento Kings (from Houston) - Omri Casspi, F, Israel
24. Dallas Mavericks (from Portland) - BJ Mullens, C, Ohio State
25. Oklahoma City Thunder (from San Antonio) - Rodrique Beaubois, G, Guadaloupe
26. Chicago Bulls (from Denver through Oklahoma City) - Taj Gibson, F, USC
27. Memphis Grizzlies (from Orlando) - DeMarre Carroll, F, Missouri
28. Minnesota Timberwolves (from Boston) - Wayne Ellington, G, North Carolina
29. New York Knicks (from Los Angeles Lakers) - Toney Douglas, G, Florida State
30. Cleveland Cavaliers - Christian Eyenga, G/F, Congo
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6/25/09
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Biggest bust? 90% of this class.

6/25/09
5
Biggest bust? 90% of this class.

6/25/09
0
It's the Blake Griffin and the everyone else show.  But seriously, for how short it is (2 rounds) does any league have a higher ratio of busts?  I expect the lottery teams to remain relatively unchanged next year, but Blake Griffin and the Clips may swap places with whoever ends up playing for the Suns next year.

6/25/09
0
I can't wait for the Stephen A. heckling gentlemen to do their yearly draft vid, that's what makes the Draft great.  (Sadly, no SAS and it's the last year they're doing it)

6/25/09
0
Raider_Dave wrote:
It's the Blake Griffin and the everyone else show.  But seriously, for how short it is (2 rounds) does any league have a higher ratio of busts?  I expect the lottery teams to remain relatively unchanged next year, but Blake Griffin and the Clips may swap places with whoever ends up playing for the Suns next year.
Well the Clips actually have a decent group of players, just a crappy coach and cheap owner.

6/25/09
1
Michael Jackson broke Twitter.

6/25/09
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Well the Clips actually have a decent group of players, just a crappy coach and cheap owner.
I agree.  If the team can stay healthy, then that solid core may have a chance at making up for the notoriously cheap owner and the terrible coaching down in Clippertown.  I just hope Blake Griffin's young career doesn't have to suffer too much at the hands of those two.

6/25/09
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Well the Clips actually have a decent group of players, just a crappy coach and cheap owner.
If they can move some pieces I'd buy that.  Right now they are going to have some pissed off players if they stand pat.

6/25/09
0
What's funny is that the 76ers have been and are seriously trying to trade Elton Brand.  Maybe it would've been better for all parties (or just Baron Davis) if he had re-signed with the Clippers last year.

6/25/09
1
Raider_Dave wrote:
What's funny is that the 76ers have been and are seriously trying to trade Elton Brand.  Maybe it would've been better for all parties (or just Baron Davis) if he had re-signed with the Clippers last year.
Without a doubt. He doesn't fit in Philly, and obviously his exit from LA really screwed over the Clippers.

6/25/09
0
Steph Curry is a good pick but not a top 10 pick.

6/25/09
2
(Edited by gearhead)
MrNFL wrote:
I can't wait for the Stephen A. heckling gentlemen to do their yearly draft vid, that's what makes the Draft great.  (Sadly, no SAS and it's the last year they're doing it)
My team has four first round picks and I am looking more forward to this. What does that say?

6/25/09
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Steph Curry is a good pick but not a top 10 pick.
I think he's one of the safest picks though.  If I just wanted to take someone I knew could produce, I'd take him in the top 10.

6/25/09
0
Whoever gets Sam Young is going to get the steal of this draft.

6/25/09
0
The Liberty? Who the hell is that?

6/25/09
1
gearhead wrote:
My team has four first round picks and I am looking more forward to this. What does that say?
It probably says that this is the worst year ever to have 4 first round picks.

6/25/09
0
In your face Ricky Rubio!

6/25/09
0
Stuart Scott sucks. Boo-Yah!

6/25/09
0
kantwistaye wrote:
I think he's one of the safest picks though.  If I just wanted to take someone I knew could produce, I'd take him in the top 10.
I agree.  Shooters will always have a place in the league, whether or not Curry can do more than that will be found out over his first year or so.

6/25/09
0
Part of me still thinks the Clippers will find a way to screw this one up.  I'll believe it when I see it...

6/25/09
1
Why is Jeff Van Gundy & Mark Jackson doing the draft? They watched all of 1 college game all year

6/25/09
1
Raider_Dave wrote:
Part of me still thinks the Clippers will find a way to screw this one up.  I'll believe it when I see it...
With the first pick in the 2009 NBA draft, the LA Clippers select....Matthew Stafford

6/25/09
1
They really do come in threes: Farrah Fawcett, Michael Jackson, and Blake Griffin's career.

6/25/09
0
Blake Griffin was first no suprise

6/25/09
1

Judging from this year's crop, the order of advantage is:

1. Clippers
2. Memphis
3. Oklahoma City
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, & 10. Houston, Washington, Denver, San Antonio, Miami, Boston, and the Lakers, with NO PICKS.

6/25/09
0
Danny Manning?

6/25/09
0
gearhead wrote:
They really do come in threes: Farrah Fawcett, Michael Jackson, and Blake Griffin's career.
/sad trombone

6/25/09
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Why is Jeff Van Gundy & Mark Jackson doing the draft? They watched all of 1 college game all year

Because Mark Jackson wants to see some "grown man moves" from the college to the pros.  JVG wants to size up Thabeet so he can imagine dangling from his leg while he is dragged across the court.

6/25/09
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Why is Jeff Van Gundy & Mark Jackson doing the draft? They watched all of 1 college game all year
And they were still 10 times better than Vitale.

6/25/09
0
The real fun begins now.

6/25/09
0
Man, Dunleavy is looking rough.

6/25/09
0
Raider_Dave wrote:
What's funny is that the 76ers have been and are seriously trying to trade Elton Brand.  Maybe it would've been better for all parties (or just Baron Davis) if he had re-signed with the Clippers last year.
Good I hope the Bulls can get him back, if they'd kept him they'd be true contenders. 

6/25/09
0
Voice crack much, Stern?

6/25/09
0
Well I am two for two on my initial mock draft I made the day after the Lottery.

6/25/09
1
Or Tony Mandarich!

6/25/09
2

David Stern sounded like McLovin in the liquor store.

6/25/09
0
 OMG!!! Rubio and Durant!!! What a combo if it happens!!!

6/25/09
1
Jubanator14 wrote:
Well I am two for two on my initial mock draft I made the day after the Lottery.
Congrats on nailing the easiest 2 picks in the draft. The Griffin pick was a lock, and Thabeet was about a 75% lock. The rest is where it gets tough, but good luck.

6/25/09
0
He shoots and he scores!

6/25/09
1
Rubio with Durant will be very nice.

6/25/09
0
elevenbravo138again wrote:
Good I hope the Bulls can get him back, if they'd kept him they'd be true contenders. 
They are looking to move Hinrich, who could be part of a potential deal, but with Gordon being a priority, I'm not sure the Bulls can absorb Brand's contract.

6/25/09
1
TheRoss wrote:

David Stern sounded like McLovin in the liquor store.

Thabeet's got nice...HOPS...

6/25/09
1
WBKsports wrote:
 OMG!!! Rubio and Durant!!! What a combo if it happens!!!
They have Russell Westbrook... it's not necessary, and might even be a bad idea.

6/25/09
0
Rubio looks like a hobbit.

6/25/09
2
Nice pick, Thunder. Harden fits much better than Rubio, imo.

6/25/09
2
Interesting....Harden isn't a bad pick for the Thunder.

6/25/09
1
(Edited by gearhead)
Wooo! The Wolves might still get Rubio!

6/25/09
2
Ricky Rubio is officially the steal of the draft by whomever picks him.  Harden will be a solid #2 option to Durant.

6/25/09
0
 WTF???? The Thunder are crazy!!!! Why not Rubio and Durant??? WTF??? Mistake!!!

6/25/09
1
I think Harden is a good decision. I think he is going to be better than Rubio.

6/25/09
1
 Harden is great, but Durant and Rubio would have worked great together!!!!

6/25/09
1
kantwistaye wrote:
Ricky Rubio is officially the steal of the draft by whomever picks him.  Harden will be a solid #2 option to Durant.
100 percent correct. Love Harden -- great body control, wonderful shot fake, terrific intangibles -- but he's not a fit for that team.  Jackson was right to say moving Westbrook off the ball was the right move.  With Rubio, OKC had a nucleus of him, Westbrook, Durant and Jeff Green.  I mean, my God.  Those are absolutely sick building blocks.  I hope Harden succeeds, though, because he's easily my favorite player in this draft.

6/25/09
1
 I guess the Maloofs will take care of Rubio...

6/25/09
3
I think with Westbrook already there, Harden is a much better choice.  The Thunder will be a high scoring team soon enough.

6/25/09
0
Nice bow tie Pee Wee.

6/25/09
1
Rubio didn't impress Sacramento in a recent workout... they may pass here, too.

6/25/09
1
"I get from point A to point B" - James Harden

Well, James, so do I but I'm not in the NBA.

6/25/09
1
kantwistaye wrote:
Ricky Rubio is officially the steal of the draft by whomever picks him.  Harden will be a solid #2 option to Durant.
If he falls much further, he'll be a terrible pick, because he'll just stay in Spain if he goes too low and can't afford the buyout.

6/25/09
0
Pat wrote:
If he falls much further, he'll be a terrible pick, because he'll just stay in Spain if he goes too low and can't afford the buyout.
Considering he's almost guaranteed to be picked by Minnesota now, you might be right. 

6/25/09
0
Rubio is falling hard. Someone is going to get a steal.

6/25/09
1
Yeah, i didn't expect the kings to take ruby

6/25/09
2
kantwistaye wrote:
Considering he's almost guaranteed to be picked by Minnesota now, you might be right. 
Well, the assumption was Minny would take at least one guy to stash in Europe for a while...

6/25/09
0
Put me in the Tyreke Evans is a bust camp.  One scout recently said that "he thinks shoot first, second and third."  He can't shoot well and needs the ball in his hands.  That works for A.I., but there aren't many guys like him.

6/25/09
3
I think Minny brings some excitement - Rubio and Flynn back to back.

6/25/09
1
Kevin Love says it will be Rubio.

6/25/09
2
Surge wrote:
I think Minny brings some excitement - Rubio and Flynn back to back.
2 point guards?

6/25/09
0
I'm going with Rubio and a DeRozan surprise here.

6/25/09
0
 How about Rubio and Jennings or Derozan?

6/25/09
0
Yes!

6/25/09
0
DESTROY THE RING FRODO!!!!

6/25/09
0
Pat wrote:
2 point guards?
Flynn can play SG, too. It's just a guess.

6/25/09
2
"USA" chants during the Rubio pick... I'm as patriotic as anyone, but that's just typical NY right there... no class.

6/25/09
0
Why are Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson there? They know absolutely nothing about these guys.

6/25/09
1
Great pick by Minnesota.  This Kahn guy is off to a good start.

6/25/09
0
In case anyone is wondering, the NBA's text "up-to-the-minute" text updates suck pretty bad. I got the #2 pick texted to me after the #4 pick was already selected, and then I recieved the #4 pick, and replied with "Stop" to stop the garbage. After that, I got the "Ok, we'll stop" message. Then, I got the #1 pick texted to me.

6/25/09
0
I wish Charles Barkley was there.

6/25/09
0
Pat wrote:
In case anyone is wondering, the NBA's text "up-to-the-minute" text updates suck pretty bad. I got the #2 pick texted to me after the #4 pick was already selected, and then I recieved the #4 pick, and replied with "Stop" to stop the garbage. After that, I got the "Ok, we'll stop" message. Then, I got the #1 pick texted to me.
And now I just got the #3 pick... as they discuss the #5 pick on TV. Glad I stopped these early.

6/25/09
1
Jefferson, Love, Rubio, and the #6 pick seems like a pretty good core. It'll take a while to get on all cylinders, but at least it'll be fun to watch.

6/25/09
0
Steph Curry is the pick right here.

6/25/09
1
Could you have imagined if Harden would've gone to Minny?  Pretty ludicrous idea, but Rubio/Harden at 5/6 matched with Kevin Love, Al Jefferson and Mike Miller would've been an absolutely silly five by the spring of '10. 

6/25/09
1
Gotta go with Curry.  A running team with Curry running the floor spotting up for 3's would be devastating.

6/25/09
2
Note to Wolves: Release Telfair. Don't let him so much as meet Rubio.

6/25/09
0
Surge wrote:
I think Minny brings some excitement - Rubio and Flynn back to back.
Good call.

6/25/09
1
i wonder if Minnesota ends up trading one of these guys later?

6/25/09
1
Oh no.... wrong pick.  Back to back PGs is just not going to work.

6/25/09
0
I think the New Yorkers are more excited because they know Curry is still on the board

6/25/09
0
Please tell me a trade is in the works or Ricky Rubio is actually Pete Maravich.

6/25/09
1
The T'Wolves backcourt is going to get pushed around by the biggers guards in the NBA

6/25/09
0
Golden State may be interested in Curry, they always like shooters around. I think they go DeRozan, keep the localish guy.

6/25/09
1
kantwistaye wrote:
Great pick by Minnesota.  This Kahn guy is off to a good start.
And then immediately fumbles. How the hell do you pick 2 point guards back-to-back?

6/25/09
1
gearhead wrote:
And then immediately fumbles. How the hell do you pick 2 point guards back-to-back?
No clue... I think the pick had to be Curry or DeRozan.  Who's playing SG for this team?

6/25/09
1
Agreed. But I really think they have a few trades in the works.

6/25/09
0
 I like Rubio and Flynn, but 2 PG's??? Why not someone in-between the sizes of Rubio and Big AL?

6/25/09
0
I see a lot of Pierce in Sam Young, Rubio is more Mini Kukoc than Maravich, Curry is a top 10 in THIS draft.

6/25/09
0
Why in the fark did Atlanta make this trade?

6/25/09
0
There is another I got right on my mock draft.

6/25/09
0
(Edited by TheBigThree)
And the collective souls of a tortured city remain in the seventh circle of hell. Man, they wanted Curry bad.

6/25/09
2
Suck it, Knicks fans!

6/25/09
0
They could trade Starbury Jr., Telfair still has upside in the minds of many GMs. 

6/25/09
0
I wanted Curry in New York, but Curry will be fun to watch in Golden State.

6/25/09
0
Let the riot commence in Madison Square Garden

6/25/09
0
Brandon Jennings will be the pick here

6/25/09
0
Because Speedy Claxton hasn't contributed a thing since being there, and acie law is a bust. at least he can take some pressure off of Johnson.

6/25/09
0
kantwistaye wrote:
No clue... I think the pick had to be Curry or DeRozan.  Who's playing SG for this team?
*looks at roster*

Got me.

6/25/09
0
Scott wrote:
Let the riot commence in Madison Square Garden
Knicks fans are becoming the Jets fans of the NBA draft.

6/25/09
0
Pick Jordan Hill, then sign and trade Lee somewhere for a good young player.

6/25/09
0
Knicks fans realize this maximizes their cap space and keeps their chances of getting LeBron in 2010 at a good chance, right?

6/25/09
2
@kevin_love jordan hill???? what???? haha

6/25/09
1
Jubanator14 wrote:
Brandon Jennings will be the pick here
Or not

6/25/09
0
Man, I hope Holiday or DeRozan lasts until the Sixers pick at 17. It sounds reasonable... maybe... no.

6/25/09
0
kantwistaye wrote:
Knicks fans realize this maximizes their cap space and keeps their chances of getting LeBron in 2010 at a good chance, right?
Knicks fans are incapable of thinking farther ahead than 5 minutes.

6/25/09
4
So Knicks fans booed their #8 pick who just lost his mother... stay classy, New York.

6/25/09
1
kantwistaye wrote:
So Knicks fans booed their #8 pick who just lost his mother... stay classy, New York.
Did you expect any less?

6/25/09
0
Hill's mother passed away when he was a kid.

6/25/09
0
my raptors got demar derozan

6/25/09
0
Decent pick. I really don't remember him that much at USC though.

6/25/09
1
I am begging the Bucks to take Gerald Henderson.  Don't take a PG.

6/25/09
0
i really hate the name DeMar. I don't know why.

6/25/09
0
But I expect the Bucks to take Blair because Scott Skiles is a*word I can't say on here*.

6/25/09
0
kantwistaye wrote:
I am begging the Bucks to take Gerald Henderson.  Don't take a PG.
They will probably take Terance Williams to make a log jam at that position.

6/25/09
0
kantwistaye wrote:
But I expect the Bucks to take Blair because Scott Skiles is a*word I can't say on here*.
great player in NBA Jam?

6/25/09
0
I love Jennings old school box cut.

6/25/09
0
Reconsider this comment

6/25/09
0
Only the Bucks would draft a untested PG and let Ramon Sessions walk.

6/25/09
0
kantwistaye wrote:
Only the Bucks would draft a untested PG and let Ramon Sessions walk.
So they were going to take Flynn anyway.

6/25/09
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
So they were going to take Flynn anyway.
Which just confirms their stupidity... some team is going to get a steal when they sign Sessions.

Jersey has to pick Gerald Henderson.

6/25/09
0
So let me get this straight... two teams drafting in the top 10 that obviously need help take 2 guys that are labeled as "projects"?  I dont get either of the last two picks

6/25/09
0
Jrue, keep falling baby.

6/25/09
0
(Edited by kantwistaye)
Well T-Will was about the only rookie who had a chance of playing for Larry Brown so let's all pray for the sake of the next pick that he gets traded.

6/25/09
0
I prefer to pronounce it without the - and call him twill.

6/25/09
1
This draft has actually been pretty boring so far

6/25/09
0
It has been boring because Billy Knight isn't picking for the Hawks and making me pull my hair out.

6/25/09
0
The Knicks still have a second 1st rounder... we could see plenty more unhappy Knicks fans. And really, what's more entertaining than that?

6/25/09
0
Jrue Holiday to the Pacers?

6/25/09
0
Wow

6/25/09
0
Wow, now is it exciting?

6/25/09
0
I was shocked for a second, but Hansbrough is the type of player the Pacers love.

6/25/09
1
Wow... so I guess Hansbrough can be a bust now.

6/25/09
1
If this pick isn't a PG Steve Kerr needs to resign immediately.

6/25/09
0
Larry Bird: as bad an executive as Isiah?

6/25/09
0
The great white hope!

6/25/09
0
Hansborough is as white bread as the rest of Indianapolis. He'll fit right in.

6/25/09
1
Hansbrough=biggest bust this year

6/25/09
1
My suns got earl clark

6/25/09
0
what is up with the wwe entrance?

6/25/09
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Hansbrough=biggest bust this year
Safe bet for any white guy.

6/25/09
0
Pistons promised to take BJ Mullens, and I hope they stick to it. Jrue, baby, you're almost a Sixer.

6/25/09
0
woohoo tyler hansborogh

6/25/09
0
Dick Vitale needs to put the pipe down. Curry will put up huge numbers yeah....because he is going to play in Golden St.

6/25/09
1
I'm sure James Johnson had plenty of martial arts competition from the likes of William Munny and Wild Bill Hickock in Wyoming.

6/25/09
1
The top 16 draft picks are stayin in my midtown hotel.  I am tall...but theses kids make my neck hurt. 

6/25/09
0
Chewing gum for the interview? Nice.

6/25/09
1
Can we all agree that ESPN needs to overhaul their Draft team and get better basketball people in there?

6/25/09
0
They should get the TNT crew in there.

6/25/09
0
Good lord, this is getting laughable.

6/25/09
4
Minnesota...the land of 10,000 Lakes and Point Guards

6/25/09
0
Lawson? I figured he was the Hawks. BAH

6/25/09
0
 At least the Timberwolves will have a PG this year??????

6/25/09
1
3 point guards? Why?

6/25/09
0
Wow, can't believe that Psycho-T went that high. That's insane. But I hate Gerald Henderson going to Charlotte... ugggh that's just like a kick in the gut to me.

6/25/09
0
Why do I still root for this team again?

6/25/09
0
Wow... Minnesota has to trade one of those guys, right?

6/25/09
0
I guess they figured ONE of them has to work out?

6/25/09
0
Lawson going to Denver for a 2010 first rounder that Charlotte owes the Nuggs.

6/25/09
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Can we all agree that ESPN needs to overhaul their Draft team and get better basketball people in there?
I can't stand listening to Mr Obvious (Van Gundy)

6/25/09
0
That could get them a lottery pick next year, which they need because I'm pretty sure their first rounder next year is unprotected to the Clips.

6/25/09
0
I can live with Teague.

6/25/09
0
Prediction: If the Hawks nucleus stays together, Jeff Teague will end up being the second best point guard of this draft behind Rubio.

6/25/09
0
Jeff Teague will be good in Atlanta.

Lawson will be electric coming off the bench for Denver.

6/25/09
0
BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/New York Knicks fans

6/25/09
1
They should have taken Sam Young to go with Chris Paul

6/25/09