AP Top 25 College Football Rankings Week 10: Picking On The Pollsters
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Whether Or Not Florida Is Better Than Alabama Or Texas Tech, They Still Lost. That Means Something, Right?

11/17/08 in NCAAF   |   Pat   |   5233 respect

Our weekly college football feature where we take a look at each of the Associated Press ballots. Our mission is to hold these "experts" accountable, in hopes of improving the AP Poll in some small way. We'll be calling out all those writers who show far too much homerism to the team they cover. We'll point out those we don't think watched a single game, and those ballots that simply don't make any sense. And, occasionally we might even give someone a pat on the back when credit is due.

Not a whole lot happened to shake up the top 25. No huge upsets, so there won't be a lot of movement to dispute. However, some voters still managed to screw things up.

Worst ballot ever: Jon Wilner. No surprise here... Wilner's a regular on this post. I probably don't even need to explain, once you see his top 4, but I will anyway:

1.
Florida
2. Texas
3. Alabama
4. Texas Tech

There are so many issues there, it's not even funny. Two teams with a loss over the two undefeateds? Texas over Texas Tech, after Tech had already beaten them, and also destroyed Oklahoma State, who played Texas close? Those rankings make no sense at all. I don't even have to go into the lower rankings, where he still has LSU at 13, but put Michigan State all the way down at 24. What a joke.

My main beef this week is with the people who are voting Florida higher than either Texas Tech or Alabama. Neither team has lost a game, and they have played several high quality opponents. Florida might have more talent, and they might beat Alabama in the SEC Championship. But until that happens, it's just senseless to rank them above teams that have played top-tier competition and win every game. Besides the aforementioned Wilner, I'm looking at you, Scott Wolf, Ray Ratto, Randy Rosetta and Maurice Patton.

Speaking of Maurice Patton, he was another huge loser in this week's polling. Here's a sample of his voting:

1. Alabama
2. Oklahoma
3. Florida
4. Texas Tech
5. USC
6. Texas
7. Utah
8. Missouri
....
13.
Oklahoma State

Ummm... I have a few problems with this one. Oklahoma over Texas? I could have sworn we already know how that one turns out. Oklahoma AND Florida over undefeated Texas Tech? Missouri is #8 and Oklahoma State #13? Remember week 7? I guess not. Either Maurice Patton is a complete idiot, or he's a genius, and knows something that the rest of us don't. I'm going to guess the former. John Hunt and Mark Tupper also had Mizzou above Okie State.

Patton had Oklahoma at #2, which was the highest out of all the pollsters. But there were a few people who had them ranked above Texas, which I just can't wrap my head around. Patton must have seen something that I didn't, along with Barker Davis, John Heuser and Jason Franchuk.

You can check out the rest of the pollsters' votes here. Let us know if you see any that you strongly agree or disagree with.
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11/18/08   |   Ryan   |   153 respect

I agree that Alabama and Texas Tech should still be ranked 1 and 2.

That being said, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a championship game between Oklahoma and Florida.  I see those two teams running the table to get to the game.
 

11/18/08   |   falcon1527   |   1 respect

brianmc0331 wrote:
But you guys forget one key ingredient....none of that matters most of the powers that be in College football think that the SEC is the only Conference that counts.....so no matter what if Tech OU and OK State all end up with one loss after Florida beats Bama to win the SEC Ship it will be Florida siting at the top.

I don't agree look at all the love given to USC and Ohio State the last few years. However I only mentioned just those teams because their conference does not have a championship game. I think by putting it on the line by having such a game it gives the conference as a whole lot of strength.

11/18/08   |   YankeeDudeL   |   15 respect

I put Texas Tech over Alabama.  Bama's was vaulted b/c everyone expected Clemson to be a contender, and beat them handily (while they were ranked 8th, they proved to be a bunch of chumps).  Then they beat Georgia, who has proven to not be what just about everyone (myself included) thought them to be.  And then there's the LSU thing.  Let's face it, LSU just isn't that tough a team, even if they did eventually pull it out agains the Juggernaut Trojans.  Yeah, not those Trojans.  Alabama is a product of everybody being sold by the media on the SEC, who just isn't as great as they say.

Don't get me wrong, Bama is def #2.  But Tech has the better resume, so far.  Better quality wins.  And if Oklahoma beats them, Texas is still ahead of them, as they lost to em. 

So who's #3?  Texas? Florida?  USC?  Nope.  The Utah f@#$ing Utes!  What, u gotta problem w/ that?  Then install the playoff!  Wait, u have a playoff, it's the regular season?  A playoff would discredit the regular season?  Well guess what that means.  If u didn't lose, ur in.  U can't prove to me any of these teams r better than Utah w/o playing them.

So guess who my #4 is.  That's right, we've gone bat $h!t crazy.  Ball Mutha F*#$ing State!  Do I think they're the 4th best team in the nation?  Noooooo.  Hell, I don't think anyone could beat Florida they way they're playing, but if these dumb @$$es want the "regular season to mean something", than u can't lose to Ole "Manning" Miss.  U don't like it, $h!t can the BCS and give us the playoff we deserve! 

11/17/08   |   phillydeac4life   |   20 respect

 The majority of the national media that are allowed to vote are (1) morons and do understand the game of football because they have never played it (2) bias towards a local team, college they went to, or hate a rival school (3) rely on ESPN to feed them info about the past week of college football (4) have very short memories.  Some of the polls are a joke, at least when all of them are combined it makes some sense.

Does anyone know the story behind the 1966 College Football Season?  Alabama won the NC in 1964 and 1965, but was ranked 3rd to start the season, behind Notre Dame and Michigan St.  Bama went undeafted, while Notre Dame and Michigan St. played each other that resulted in a tie, and Notre Dame recieved the ball at Michigan St.'s 20 or 30 yard line with 2:00 left, and the coach sat on the ball refusing to try to score to win the game because he knew that as long as he did not lose the game that Notre Dame would win the NC in 1966 because a majority of the voters where located in the Northeast and were Irish.  Where is the logic in that?  There are tons of books about this season, and the game itself.  A really well written one is "The Missing Ring".

11/17/08   |   brianmc0331   |   10 respect

100%InjuryRate wrote:
You're 100% right. And I can't tell you how mad that makes me.

Hell I hear you im a Boise State fan....

11/17/08   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

brianmc0331 wrote:
But you guys forget one key ingredient....none of that matters most of the powers that be in College football think that the SEC is the only Conference that counts.....so no matter what if Tech OU and OK State all end up with one loss after Florida beats Bama to win the SEC Ship it will be Florida siting at the top.

You're 100% right. And I can't tell you how mad that makes me.

11/17/08   |   kantwistaye   |   4216 respect

Jubanator14 wrote:
Especially with the way that OU handled Nebraska.

I think we can all agree that the Big 12 is better than the SEC this season.

Its not even close.  The SEC is Bama and Florida and then a massive dropoff.  I think Oklahoma, Texas, and Tech could all win the SEC (or at least do what Bama has done), and that Oklahoma St and Mizzou would be without a doubt the third best team in the SEC.  The fact that the Big 12 is considerably better than the SEC, which is still by far the 2nd best conference in the nation, says alot about the Big 12.

11/17/08   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

Pat wrote:
I think that's when you have to start looking at stuff like margin of victory over common opponents and all that stuff. But even then... if OU and OSU is close, then you've got Texas Tech winning that one, but then their nailbiter over Nebraska hurts them. I'm sure OU would end up on top because of what you said about the earliest loss, but I think that Texas would be just as reasonable of a choice, really.

Especially with the way that OU handled Nebraska.

I think we can all agree that the Big 12 is better than the SEC this season.

11/17/08   |   brianmc0331   |   10 respect

But you guys forget one key ingredient....none of that matters most of the powers that be in College football think that the SEC is the only Conference that counts.....so no matter what if Tech OU and OK State all end up with one loss after Florida beats Bama to win the SEC Ship it will be Florida siting at the top.

11/17/08   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

kantwistaye wrote:

If the pollsters actually voted on merits and accomplishments that would create hell in the polls, but because Oklahoma would have the first loss and most recent big win they'd be ranked ahead of Texas Tech and Texas.  Tech would be ranked last because they would have the most recent loss.  Seriously, how do you differentiate those three teams (assuming the Sooners win this week)?

I really don't know how you would. Me personally would just stick OU at the top because well, I am a big homer. I love how everyone forgot that Florida lost to Ole Miss. Ole Freakin! Miss! I am really hoping for Florida St. to beat Florida and Bama to lose to Florida in the SEC title game so we can see an all Big 12 Title game.

11/17/08   |   Pat   |   5233 respect

I think that's when you have to start looking at stuff like margin of victory over common opponents and all that stuff. But even then... if OU and OSU is close, then you've got Texas Tech winning that one, but then their nailbiter over Nebraska hurts them. I'm sure OU would end up on top because of what you said about the earliest loss, but I think that Texas would be just as reasonable of a choice, really.

11/17/08   |   kantwistaye   |   4216 respect

Jubanator14 wrote:
I am with you on the OU over Texas boat. Not yet. Now if they beat Texas Tech on Saturday, then rank the three however you want but as of now, got to look at the head-to-heads.

If the pollsters actually voted on merits and accomplishments that would create hell in the polls, but because Oklahoma would have the first loss and most recent big win they'd be ranked ahead of Texas Tech and Texas.  Tech would be ranked last because they would have the most recent loss.  Seriously, how do you differentiate those three teams (assuming the Sooners win this week)?

11/17/08   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

I am with you on the OU over Texas boat. Not yet. Now if they beat Texas Tech on Saturday, then rank the three however you want but as of now, got to look at the head-to-heads.