AP Top 25 College Football Rankings Week 9: Picking On The Pollsters
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Utah, Boise State and Now TCU In Prime Position For BCS Run. All Still Vastly Overrated.

10/20/08 in NCAAF   |   CriticalFanatic   |   respect

Our weekly college football feature where we take a look at each of the Associated Press ballots. Our mission is to hold these "experts" accountable, in hopes of improving the AP Poll in some small way. We'll be calling out all those writers who show far too much homerism to the team they cover. We'll point out those we don't think watched a single game, and those ballots that simply don't make any sense. And, occasionally we might even give someone a pat on the back when credit is due.

Now that the BCS Standings are out, the AP Poll becomes mostly irrelevant, but that doesn't mean we'll let the writers get off easy.

Speaking of the BCS Standings and the ever-reliable Harris Interactive Poll, that idiot is still voting Utah No. 1 and rendering these rankings a joke.

As far as the AP Poll is concerned, one of the more surprising developments for me that the mass support of TCU into the Top 15 after their blowout win against BYU. Why is it always necessary to simply replace the defeated ranked team with the one who beat them. Maybe we all had the Cougars far too highly ranked, and thus I find the launch of TCU up into the Top 15 a little aggressive. Boise State and Utah also remain vastly overrated. Good teams, but thanks to an easy schedule they're getting too much attention.

OK, on to this week's few minor issues with the AP Poll"

Doug Lesmerises
gets top honors this week. Well, besides the Harris Inactive voter. Doug has Utah at No. 8, ahead of Southern California, Ohio State, Georgia and LSU. Come on, Doug. I realize they are undefeated, but let's look at this rationally. The Utes would get smoked by each of those teams. Smoked. Not even close. Let's remember, the whole reason for Utah being so highly ranked is their opening win against Michigan, which now isn't even their third best victory.

Ray Ratto jumped all over the Georgia Tech bandwagon, moving the Yellow Jackets all the way up to 15th after a close win over Clemson. I like what Paul Johnson has done, but that's a little high for my liking after a win over a team in shambles.

Molly Yanity still, STILL has Kentucky in her Top 25 at No. 23. This after needing a desperate late comeback rally to beat Arkansas at home. It's scary to think about where Molly might rank the Wildcats if they actually scored a decent win. Fortunately, we don't have to worry about that happening.

Tom Hart kept North Carolina at 21st, despite an overtime loss to Virginia. Maurice Patton who continually proves he doesn't watch many games also had UNC at 23.

Kirk Bohls is about the Minnesota bandwagon, ranking the Gophers 17th. At least they do have a decent win against Illinois on the road, the Ohio State loss still proves their aren't quite ready for the big time and a Top 20 spot.

We'll find out if Oklahoma State is for real this weekend, but one of those not buying all the hype is Ray Fittipaldo. He's got the Cowboys 11th, the lowest of any other pollster.

That's it for this week. Not a whole lot of a issues, and I suspect all the pretenders ranked to high will be taken care of eventually. Big week for one of those, Texas Tech, to show us what they are made of.
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10/21/08   |   tpowell25   |   1627 respect

donb wrote:
Tpowell - read the story again.  I quote, "Boise State and Utah also remain vastly overrated.  Good teams, but thanks to an easy schedule they're getting too much attention."  This one comment by CriticalFanatic puts him at the same level as the 8 or 9 people he rips on every week when he evaluates the voters.  Michigan obviously has their worst team in 40 years.  But did Utah know that would happen 2 or 3 years ago when the contracted to come into the Big House?  Obviously not.  And again, common opponents has a huge influence on the computers and voters at the end of the season.  Every year, EVERY YEAR, you will hear a coach lobbying for the BCS title game mention "We beat team A and they beat team B."  To discount it just because it's Utah is bogus, completely bogus and reeks of having your head stuck up the as* of the elite BCS conference teams.  And don't lump Boise State in to the conversation either.  Boise State has done it now for several years, and I'm sure nobody's memory is too short to remember the greatest college football game ever played - Boise vs Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl just 2 years ago.  Finishing off a 13-0 season in which they had to listen to the same line of BS, they didn't play anybody, and end up #5 and #6 in the polls behind 1 and 2 loss teams.  They've been a fixture in the polls for most of this decade, and to call them overrated is clearly the uneducated, emotional reaction of a Big Name Program lover.  Very disappointing.

I stand corrected and point taken.  I thought you were referring to another paragraph.

Only time will tell if either of you are right about your presumptions.  We're still barely over halfway through the season with a lot of games left to prove our points.  These debates are what makes college football so fun to me.  We never know what will happen from week to week.

10/21/08   |   donb

(Edited by donb)

Tpowell - read the story again.  I quote, "Boise State and Utah also remain vastly overrated.  Good teams, but thanks to an easy schedule they're getting too much attention."  This one comment by CriticalFanatic puts him at the same level as the 8 or 9 people he rips on every week when he evaluates the voters.  Michigan obviously has their worst team in 40 years.  But did Utah know that would happen 2 or 3 years ago when the contracted to come into the Big House?  Obviously not.  And again, common opponents has a huge influence on the computers and voters at the end of the season.  Every year, EVERY YEAR, you will hear a coach lobbying for the BCS title game mention "We beat team A and they beat team B."  To discount it just because it's Utah is bogus, completely bogus and reeks of having your head stuck up the as* of the elite BCS conference teams.  And don't lump Boise State in to the conversation either.  Boise State has done it now for several years, and I'm sure nobody's memory is too short to remember the greatest college football game ever played - Boise vs Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl just 2 years ago.  Finishing off a 13-0 season in which they had to listen to the same line of BS, they didn't play anybody, and end up #5 and #6 in the polls behind 1 and 2 loss teams.  They've been a fixture in the polls for most of this decade, and to call them overrated is clearly the uneducated, emotional reaction of a Big Name Program lover.  Very disappointing.

10/21/08   |   scottwhale

donb wrote:
The top 5 teams in the Mountain West are 6-2 vs BCS Conference schools.  The entire confrence is 8-4 vs BCS Conference schools.  This includes 6-1 vs the Pac 10.  Maybe it's all Pac 10 conference schools that are still ranked that are overrated.  Again, Utah beat Oregon State one week after they beat USC.  TCU's only loss was to Oklahoma, 35-10. Along with Texas, they are the only team to hold Oklahoma under 45 points this year.  Again, base your observations on the facts and numbers, not on the name of the conference a school comes from.  You are showing yourself to be no better than the people you are ripping on.

I agree. Not to mention Utah's individual winning record against other powerhouse teams and their bowl games in recent years.

10/21/08   |   tpowell25   |   1627 respect

donb wrote:
Nobody said they are a powerhouse, but they are not overrated at #11, not until someone proves otherwise by beating them.  Who cares about Oregon State?  I'm pretty sure the BCS computers care who teams have beaten that you've beaten.  It's in the formula.  Common opponents.  How else can you compare two teams that haven't gone head-to-head?  

It's great for college football, just like Cinderella's getting to the sweet 16 and Final Four is great for college basketball.  Nobody is saying these teams are national powers and will win a BCS title, but if they've run the table and have beaten a couple BCS conference teams, they deserve a shot at a BCS game.  If your site is called Fan IQ - show some.

I don't think Critical Fanatic is suggesting that Utah is overranked at #11.  I think he is pointing out that particular voter, since he voted Utah #8 and ahead of USC, Ohio State, Georgia, and LSU.  And I agree, I don't think Utah could beat any of those 4 teams (just my opinion, that's why they play the game).

But I definitely agree with your point:  we can't compare teams that don't play each other unless we go by common oppenents, which never works out because most teams play up and down week to week.  We won't have any idea just how good Utah is until they play a bowl game (I've seen one bowl projection that has them playing Florida.  That would be one heck of a test).

And this site is called FanIQ so we can prove our sports knowledge.  All we do on these threads is point out our opinions.  We prove it by making predictions and comparing ourselves to others on the site with the head-to-head stats.  Isn't this place awesome?!

10/21/08   |   stealthfiter

Hey, this will help you analyze the AP Ballots a LOT faster and better:  POLLSTALKER.  Just click on the voter names, team names or move your mouse over the numbers to get pop-ups, and you'll get the idea.

10/21/08   |   donb

(Edited by donb)

Air Force 5-2, Oregon State 4-3 (you know, that team that beat USC) - That's 2  D1 teams over .500.  They still have #14 TCU and #21 BYU left.  If they win those two and go undefeated, they deserve a top 12 ranking and BCS game.  If they don't, then they drop.  What you don't tell us in your story, is where should they be and who should be above them?  Look at the teams below them.  Maybe one, LSU, should be above Utah.  The rest - hardly powerhouses.  Again, you are blowing alot of hot air, but not giving us anything that leads us to believe you are any brighter than the people you are ripping on.

10/21/08   |   donb

Nobody said they are a powerhouse, but they are not overrated at #11, not until someone proves otherwise by beating them.  Who cares about Oregon State?  I'm pretty sure the BCS computers care who teams have beaten that you've beaten.  It's in the formula.  Common opponents.  How else can you compare two teams that haven't gone head-to-head?  

It's great for college football, just like Cinderella's getting to the sweet 16 and Final Four is great for college basketball.  Nobody is saying these teams are national powers and will win a BCS title, but if they've run the table and have beaten a couple BCS conference teams, they deserve a shot at a BCS game.  If your site is called Fan IQ - show some.

10/21/08   |   donb

The top 5 teams in the Mountain West are 6-2 vs BCS Conference schools.  The entire confrence is 8-4 vs BCS Conference schools.  This includes 6-1 vs the Pac 10.  Maybe it's all Pac 10 conference schools that are still ranked that are overrated.  Again, Utah beat Oregon State one week after they beat USC.  TCU's only loss was to Oklahoma, 35-10. Along with Texas, they are the only team to hold Oklahoma under 45 points this year.  Again, base your observations on the facts and numbers, not on the name of the conference a school comes from.  You are showing yourself to be no better than the people you are ripping on.

10/21/08   |   donb

Utah overrated based on schedule?  Have you looked at their schedule?  They beat Oregon State one week after Oregon State beat #1 USC.  You don't do any more research then the people that vote in the polls.

10/21/08   |   Monty40

tpowell25 wrote:
How about these infamous MRI rankings that are often used as an expert pick on our Pick 'Ems.

I'm pretty sure they are computer generated, but until I hear some explanation as to how they come up with them, I'm bringing it up

Just a few of the rankings that I don't remotely agree with:

#1 - Penn State (meh, it's better than some of the others)
#4 - Tulsa
#6 - TCU
#8 - Oklahoma
#11 - Alabama (yea, that's a personal beef)
#13 - Georgia

There are some others that don't really fit their slot (IMO), but I would really like to hear how they come up with these rankings.

Yea...I agree.  Also, Iowa (5-3) #19?  They are awful.

10/21/08   |   tpowell25   |   1627 respect

How about these infamous MRI rankings that are often used as an expert pick on our Pick 'Ems.

I'm pretty sure they are computer generated, but until I hear some explanation as to how they come up with them, I'm bringing it up

Just a few of the rankings that I don't remotely agree with:

#1 - Penn State (meh, it's better than some of the others)
#4 - Tulsa
#6 - TCU
#8 - Oklahoma
#11 - Alabama (yea, that's a personal beef)
#13 - Georgia

There are some others that don't really fit their slot (IMO), but I would really like to hear how they come up with these rankings.

10/21/08   |   blackcat63081

wrote:
Wheres the rankings poll?! I live for those! Well, only sorta.

sorry i dont know what u meen by that i just started this sight yesturday mornin

10/20/08   |   blackcat63081

what do u meen i just started this yesturday i am still learnin about this sight