Alabama Tells Critics Where To Put Their Picks, Roll Past LSU 27-21 In Saban Bowl 2008 | NCAAF

11/8/08

0	That is fine with me - keep talking about everyone else because Bama will roll to the National Playoff game...

11/9/08

CalBoomer

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Whoa, if rhetorical enthusiasm won football games, Alabama would have already won the BCS championship. First things first, the SEC championship game will actually decide who is better: Florida or Alabama. The final Big 12 games and Big 12 championship will determine the survivor of that jungle. This is almost working out like brackets for an NCAA championship. I predict that the SEC survivor and the Big 12 survivor will play for the national championship now that Penn State has taken themselves out of the running for good. USC is a pretender, simply not as good as they perhaps should be, an indictment of Pete Carroll. So, I am hopeful that this year, we will have a very legitimate national champion, determined by play in actual games and not by rhetorical enthusiasm or some other form of stupidity.

11/9/08

rjoelmc

0	I picked Alabama. They have my respect. Way to go Tide, good ball game!

11/9/08

Joshua E

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CalBoomer wrote:

Whoa, if rhetorical enthusiasm won football games, Alabama would have already won the BCS championship. First things first, the SEC championship game will actually decide who is better: Florida or Alabama. The final Big 12 games and Big 12 championship will determine the survivor of that jungle. This is almost working out like brackets for an NCAA championship. I predict that the SEC survivor and the Big 12 survivor will play for the national championship now that Penn State has taken themselves out of the running for good. USC is a pretender, simply not as good as they perhaps should be, an indictment of Pete Carroll. So, I am hopeful that this year, we will have a very legitimate national champion, determined by play in actual games and not by rhetorical enthusiasm or some other form of stupidity.

Let me just reiterate that the article isn't about us winning a National Championship or anything else, it's about us not getting the credit that any other # 1 would get, or even the credit that teams behind us are getting. That said, I do agree with your statement. I also agree that whomever comes out of those two conferences on top will play in the NC game. But this scenario scares me...Oklahoma beats Tex Tech and moves up to No 2 then gets upset by Missouri in the Big XII champ. game. Bama or Fla. will be one team but would a Tex. team then play the NC game without winning their own conference? Or would USC sneak into the NC game? Dear God I hope not.

11/9/08

jeopardytempest

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As a big fan during the Oklahoma 2000 National Title run... and thus someone who knows how it feels... I still must say... I don't think LSU has done anything to prove they are nearly legitimate yet.

But just because you aren't being talked about doesn't mean you aren't getting respect. It's just that usually people argue over the teams on the bubble... and spend their time talking about the "exciting" teams. Oklahoma wasn't the most explosive team in 2000, just solid all-around, and I'd say the same for Bama.

Take care of your business at home the next two weeks, then the buzz will definitely pick up to a fever pitch in Atlanta.

11/9/08

Joshua E

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jeopardytempest wrote:

As a big fan during the Oklahoma 2000 National Title run... and thus someone who knows how it feels... I still must say... I don't think LSU has done anything to prove they are nearly legitimate yet.

But just because you aren't being talked about doesn't mean you aren't getting respect. It's just that usually people argue over the teams on the bubble... and spend their time talking about the "exciting" teams. Oklahoma wasn't the most explosive team in 2000, just solid all-around, and I'd say the same for Bama.

Take care of your business at home the next two weeks, then the buzz will definitely pick up to a fever pitch in Atlanta.

Very true, but what gets me is people are already crowning Florida the SEC Champs and a spot in the NC game when we beat the team that they couldnt! It just keeps sticking in my craw every time I think about it.

11/9/08

kantwistaye

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(Edited by kantwistaye)

I know that when you're a fan of a good team that continually faces critics it becomes frustrating (Wisconsin has been a "victim" of this a few times in football and basketball), but it when looking from the outside its usually not as bad as it seems. I think Alabama is a very good team, but I do have my doubts about them. For one, it turns out that Clemson isn't really that good. Now, I was incredibly impressed by your guys's victory over Georgia. But today's win over a LSU team that is really just pretty good scared me. Alabama got lucky today. To be fair, every championship contender team gets some luck here or there, but the luck seemed exceptional today. Alabama survived, and I still do have my doubts, but they will be able to throw those all out of the door if they beat Florida and then win the title. If Alabama wins it all, there will be no doubt in my mind that they earned. The ball is in their court, so to speak.

11/9/08

phillydeac4life

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The reason I think Alabama is "under the radar" is because they are not a flashy team. They are built to control the clock with both their rushing offense and their defense. Also, Alabama does not beat themselves with pentalies and turnovers. This style of gameplay can lead to close games aka Kentucky, Ole Miss, and LSU, but allows Alabama "to be in the game" the entire time even if they are losing (it just happens that Alabama has not trailed very long this year). On the other hand, Alabama can win by a small margin of points, but in reality were in control of the game the entire time. Therefore, I believe "style points" are irrelevant when trying to analyze Alabama. Instead, voters should look at Time of Possession, and turnover margin. On offense 1st downs, 3rd down conversion %, and rushing yards per attempt are important.

Parker Wilson is not flashy when compared to Tebow or the Heisman Contender QB's in the Big 12, but Parker Wilson has been very effiencent this year with just managing the game, making plays when he has to, and not turning the ball over.

Today's average college football fan is memeriezed by the amount of points scored by a Spread Offense, and forget about old fashion smackmouth football. The average fan or voter needs to stop listening or relying of ESPN to provide them inforamtion, and need to open their own eyes.

11/9/08

florida_gurl1

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Alabama i believe could be like the Florida team in 2006 they weren't given enough credit either and look what happen so maybe in that way with little expectation they will not be disappointed if and when they get knocked off weather it be in the Sec title game or before... but the LSU and BAMA game was Astonishing to me i at least thought that they would have taken them out of the game like the Gators did to Georgia... but it just wasn't the case and face it in today's football "style points" do count Bama should have obliterated LSU not barley dragged by .... so really your rant was not justified ....

Another point is that yeah Alabama is good but in Comparison to Florida PSH.... line up the stats and see the margin of difference in the to teams they aren't even in the same league... i mean the penalties on Bama are yet again like the 2006 Florida team they are just beating themselves. not to dis credit what they have done because being undefeated in the SEC at this point in the season is near impossible so i give them and attaboy for that but you expect someone to kiss Their butt when their are so many better teams out there(that aren't holding on by the skin of their teeth) . so seriously think about what you say before you say it....

11/9/08

jeopardytempest

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Interesting how she likens them to the 06 Gator team. Another season that I'll never forget.

And it's interesting, though, that that year, Florida played THEIR big coaching rivalry game... and should have lost. If it wasn't for Jarvis Moss' outstretched arms. That team of course was South Carolina and Stevey boy Spurrier.
I thought Bama came out strong, and looked the much better team, but allowed LSU back into the game through some bad breaks early. The fact Bama could overcome that momentum surge on the road against a team out for them... I do see that as being admirable.

I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Alabama win out.

I already mentioned it, but to remind further... Oklahoma, though undefeated in 2000... was a 21+ point underdog to 1 loss Florida State.
Because they didn't play the same style of football.
And barely scraped by against Texas A&M and Oklahoma State.
Everyone spent their time arguing over whether it should be FSU or Miami.
No one gave OU credit.

But Oklahoma showed the rest of the nation who the real team was.

Perhaps you'll get to enjoy the same satisfying victory :)

11/9/08

phillydeac4life

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(Edited by phillydeac4life)
florida_gurl1 wrote:

Alabama i believe could be like the Florida team in 2006 they weren't given enough credit either and look what happen so maybe in that way with little expectation they will not be disappointed if and when they get knocked off weather it be in the Sec title game or before... but the LSU and BAMA game was Astonishing to me i at least thought that they would have taken them out of the game like the Gators did to Georgia... but it just wasn't the case and face it in today's football "style points" do count Bama should have obliterated LSU not barley dragged by .... so really your rant was not justified ....

Another point is that yeah Alabama is good but in Comparison to Florida PSH.... line up the stats and see the margin of difference in the to teams they aren't even in the same league... i mean the penalties on Bama are yet again like the 2006 Florida team they are just beating themselves. not to dis credit what they have done because being undefeated in the SEC at this point in the season is near impossible so i give them and attaboy for that but you expect someone to kiss Their butt when their are so many better teams out there(that aren't holding on by the skin of their teeth) . so seriously think about what you say before you say it....

I do believe that Bama is unbeaten through 10 games, and if you want to compare them to Florida do not line up their magin of victory against the same team because again Bama plays a different style of football compared to Florida but just compare the win loss record against teams that each of them have played. Both teams played Ole Miss at home. If I remember correctly, Florida did lose at home to Ole Miss.....

Also, did you watch the game against LSU yesterday? The score did not illustrate how much Bama was in control of the game.

1. Maze fumbled a TD out of bounds in the endzone that resulted in a touchback for LSU.

2. There was a phantom holding pentaly called on Andre Smith that caused a TD scored by Parker Wilson to come back.

3. 14 of LSU's 21 points came from probably the worst 1:30 minutes that Bama played all season. Wilson had the 15 yard excessive celebration penatly called on him that setup LSU's next drive around mid field that resulted in a TD. Then Arensas fumbled the kick return that setup LSU around Bama's 30 yard line, which resulted in a 30 yard TD run by Scott two plays later. OK so Bama just got smack in the mouth for the FIRST time in 10 games. Let me say that again, the FIRST time Bama got smacked in the mouth in TEN games. One question the media asked all week was how would Bama respond on the road when faced with adverasity. They responded by outscoring LSU 20-7 the rest of the game.

3. After the sequence in #3 above, LSU would only score 1 time on the next 14 drives that included 7 3 and outs and 3 interpections. It was obivous as the game went on that Lee could not handle Bama's pressure from blitzes because LSU's offense became one dimenonsal, and just ran the ball the majority of the game.

Again, Alabama is not going to blow teams out with the style of football that they play. The spread offense is taking over College Football, and fans either forget or are ignorant in that there are other ways to play the game. What ever happened to good old fashion smashmouth football? In football, one of the worst feelings is having the ball run down your throat, and not being able to stop it. All that matters in the end is that a team wins the game. What is the point of scoring 50 points, to only lose the game because your defense allowed 55 points?

Anyway, can anyone answer this question with a logical answer? Why is Florida, the only "1 loss team that is a contender" the frontrunner when they are the only team in that pack to lose a game at home to an unranked team? If I remember correctly, last year USC was kept of the National Title game because they lost at home to Stanford.

11/9/08

jeopardytempest

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USC lost two games (and would've been in the national championship if not for a loss to Oregon 4 weeks later).

Florida certainly isn't the only 1 loss contender. Oklahoma and Texas are still getting some attention too.
But no one is blowing out good teams as powerfully as Florida.
And that's why they have the attention.

There have been a lot of teams that have had the attention the past couple seasons. I'm not so sure you want it. Remember when South Florida and Boston College fans were in uproar last year because they were undefeated and without test? Yeah, just keep winning the games :)

Look, you'll get your attention when you beat Florida. If you beat Florida, you will be favored in the National Championship Game, bank on it.

Why is Florida getting all the attention? Because we play in a system where the end of the season matters the most. (and I'm not saying this is good, but this is how all sports are played... I'll pass on having a playoff, thanks). And Florida looks to be the most unstoppable team in the nation RIGHT NOW.

Don't tell me Alabama controlled the game yesterday. They almost fumbled it away. For as good as they looked early on, they didn't capitalize. That's how it goes, I agree. But you came one overtime from losing against a team that Florida dismantled on both sides of the ball.
I have said again and again we can't judge based upon that. But that's just where the nation's interest is right now.
And you point out how Alabama had their first time of adversity all season yesterday? Well when it comes to struggles, Florida has had just as many.
If Alabama wasn't in it, would you have wanted some Penn State or Texas Tech fan telling you they aren't getting a fair shake?
Do it on the field, and we'll talk.

We've compared your Alabama team to two other teams this decade that have likewise not gotten the fair attention, and gone on to win it all. What more do you want? Are you determined to get in an argument???

11/9/08

florida_gurl1

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If you call all the penalties they had control you are blinded by the fact that they are a mediocre team that got lucky .... and that is what it was luck that they won the game against LSU... it wasn't because they are talented ... i mean Georgia has more talent on the Field than bama!

also too if your going to say over all that Alabama has more talent than Florida your crazy besides the fact that Florida loss to Ole miss is irrelevant every one has an off game once in a while and Bama will have theirs in Atlanta weather you want to believe it or not . Alabama will loose mark my words. and if they don then i will apologize but till then suck it up and be a man and learn to take some criticism ... so seriously pick on some other chick who doesn't know what they are talking about.

Oh to answer your Question since you cant figure it out for yourself... the reason why they are in front of everyone else is

1. because of the overall talent on the team Brandon Spikes,Major Wright, Dustin Doe, Tim Tebow( note: the only Underclassman in NCAA history to win the Heisman Trophy) Percy Harvin( the only player in UF history to get 100+ russhing and receiving yards in a game.) do you want me to continue because ooohh i can ....

2. the reason they lost the ole' miss game was because they had a case of the big head syndrome. That's common in sports. and in some ppl...

3. The awesome coaching staff who can lead their players. If you look at Urban Meyer he completely changed the whole teams outlook after inheriting the team from Ron Zook... yeah and i know most ppl say that Coach Meyer rode in on zooks team but that is a wholenother issue... the point is he took a quarter back like leak who had been through 3 coaches in his college career and backed him up with an Outstanding Freshman (Tebow) and he made it work... period and he has continued to make the eaam in to what they are today.

and odviously it dose matter how much you win by and your incompetent if you do not think so... there's two things you just cant win with me on sports and politics. so try another...

11/9/08

Joshua E

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florida_gurl1 wrote:

Alabama i believe could be like the Florida team in 2006 they weren't given enough credit either and look what happen so maybe in that way with little expectation they will not be disappointed if and when they get knocked off weather it be in the Sec title game or before... but the LSU and BAMA game was Astonishing to me i at least thought that they would have taken them out of the game like the Gators did to Georgia... but it just wasn't the case and face it in today's football "style points" do count Bama should have obliterated LSU not barley dragged by .... so really your rant was not justified ....

Another point is that yeah Alabama is good but in Comparison to Florida PSH.... line up the stats and see the margin of difference in the to teams they aren't even in the same league... i mean the penalties on Bama are yet again like the 2006 Florida team they are just beating themselves. not to dis credit what they have done because being undefeated in the SEC at this point in the season is near impossible so i give them and attaboy for that but you expect someone to kiss Their butt when their are so many better teams out there(that aren't holding on by the skin of their teeth) . so seriously think about what you say before you say it....

i got one stat for you to line up...ole miss 31-fla 30. bama 24-ole miss 20. line that up and tell me how florida is getting anointed the SEC championship already.

11/9/08

phillydeac4life

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(Edited by phillydeac4life)
florida_gurl1 wrote:

If you call all the penalties they had control you are blinded by the fact that they are a mediocre team that got lucky .... and that is what it was luck that they won the game against LSU... it wasn't because they are talented ... i mean Georgia has more talent on the Field than bama!

also too if your going to say over all that Alabama has more talent than Florida your crazy besides the fact that Florida loss to Ole miss is irrelevant every one has an off game once in a while and Bama will have theirs in Atlanta weather you want to believe it or not . Alabama will loose mark my words. and if they don then i will apologize but till then suck it up and be a man and learn to take some criticism ... so seriously pick on some other chick who doesn't know what they are talking about.

Oh to answer your Question since you cant figure it out for yourself... the reason why they are in front of everyone else is

1. because of the overall talent on the team Brandon Spikes,Major Wright, Dustin Doe, Tim Tebow( note: the only Underclassman in NCAA history to win the Heisman Trophy) Percy Harvin( the only player in UF history to get 100+ russhing and receiving yards in a game.) do you want me to continue because ooohh i can ....

2. the reason they lost the ole' miss game was because they had a case of the big head syndrome. That's common in sports. and in some ppl...

3. The awesome coaching staff who can lead their players. If you look at Urban Meyer he completely changed the whole teams outlook after inheriting the team from Ron Zook... yeah and i know most ppl say that Coach Meyer rode in on zooks team but that is a wholenother issue... the point is he took a quarter back like leak who had been through 3 coaches in his college career and backed him up with an Outstanding Freshman (Tebow) and he made it work... period and he has continued to make the eaam in to what they are today.

and odviously it dose matter how much you win by and your incompetent if you do not think so... there's two things you just cant win with me on sports and politics. so try another...

1. Yeah, Alabama had a lot of penalties yesterday. That is if you consider 2 penalties for 24 yards a lot. (The 1st one was on Parker Wilson for excessive celebration, and the 2nd was holding on Andre Smith). You should check your facts before using them to form an arguement.

2. So the reason they won was because of luck, and Alabama is a medicore team. Well, I guess that they got lucky for the other 9 games they have won? Great point......at least Alabama did not lose to a medicore team called Ole Miss.

3. Now, how is Florida's loss to Ole Miss irevelant? They lost the game. The difference between a champion and 2nd place is the ability to win a game in which you are having an "off week mentally". That is why Alabama is currently #1, and Florida is not.

4. Now let me get this straight you argue that Florida is the best " 1 loss team" because they have (1) great talent and (2) an "awesome coaching staff". Well, doesn't Oklahoma, Texas, USC, and Penn State have (1) great talent and (2) an "awesome coaching staff"? So you are saying that Meyer is a better coach than Stoops, Brown, Carroll, and Joe Paterno? That's right I forgot that each of the latter coaches won a National Championship before Myer. That's right I forgot that Oklahoma, Texas, USC, and Penn State have "overall talent".

Wow!!! I am really disapointted. I really thought that you would put together a logical reason why Florida is best "1 loss team". You could have stated that they not only can they put up points with the #7 best scoring offense in the country, but can prevent teams from scoring with the #4 best scoring defense in the country. Or, you could have argued that Florida is able to beat teams because they captialize on turnovers with the #4 best turnover margin in the country.

Wow!!!...I am like speachless because Florida is sooooo great because they are like more awesome than everyone else... That Tebow is like talented cause he won the Heisman, and since he like won a Heisman he is like the best QB in like the country...Urban Meyer is sooo smart because he has like led two different programs to an undeafted like season...Yeah like Florida is #1 because we can score a lot of like points.... And if we like ever lose a game like because our heads are too big, then it like doesn't matter because we will just beat everyone else by like 30 points, and like because we beat everyone by 30 points like everyone will just ignore that loss....GOOOOOO Florida!!!!!

11/9/08

Joshua E

2	(Edited by Jubanator14) I like figured out like why people like can't like win an arguement like against you like in like like like sports or like politics....LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE!!!!!!!!! No one wants to read through all that so they just stop!

11/9/08

florida_gurl1

0	i never said that Myer was better i just said he was good ... that's all I'm not arguing with someone at incompetent as you .... grow up and be a mature man ... you are just bashing Me bc i disagreed with you... get over yourself...

11/9/08

Joshua E

1	no ma'am...there has been multiple people disagree with me and i didn't bash them. I bashed you because you're talking like the chick on legally blonde. don't like get mad because i like called you out like on that.

11/9/08

Heyhey1970

2	I agree with you that Alabama deserves credit Josh. To be undefeated thus far (in that conference) is outstanding. As long as the best SEC team plays the best Big 12 team for the national championship, I'll be happy (for this year). Don't worry about the ESPN crowd, there are very few people at that network who have original thoughts. I think your life will be happier if you ignore them.

12/6/08

florida_gurl1

1	All i have to say is look whos talkin now ... I told you!