Allen Iverson Traded To Detroit Pistons; Chauncey Billups And Antonio McDyess To The Denver Nuggets

AI Will Now Be The Answer In Detroit

11/3/08 in NBA   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

There were rumors floating around this morning that Allen Iverson would be traded from the Denver Nuggest to the Detroit Pistons for Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess, and it appears that the deal is now set.

Michigan Live is reporting that the deal has been agreed to in principle, which means barring any kind of failed physical, this deal will happen.

Now, while this is definitely what you'd call a big time trade, I'm not sure it does much for either squad. Yes, the Pistons were getting stale with their current group and needed to make a change, but I'm not sure acquiring a ball hog shooting guard with 120,000 basketball miles on his odometer is the way to go.

Plus, we all remember how Iverson was supposed to turn the Nuggets around while playing with Carmelo Anthony, but instead the team never amounted to anything in the Western Conference.

Iverson is a black hole, and that won't suddenly change in Detroit. Plus, he isn't what he once was, like back in 2001, where he could single-handedly win games. I'm not sure this move even puts Detroit ahead of Cleveland, and I know for certain it won't get them past the Celtics.

As for Denver, at least they picked up a point guard who will occasionally pass. McDyess is also a serviceable player down low. I think this move makes it pretty clear that the Nuggets are now solely Carmelo Anthony's team, but anyone who thinks they're getting out of the first round in the Western Conference is nuts.

Like I said, this is one of those WOW kind of trades. But regrettably, it happened about 3 or 4 years later than when it actually would have made a difference.

Although, there is one other way to look at this trade. Iverson is a free agent at the end of this season, and so is Rasheed Wallace. As Fanhouse notes, that'll leave them $20 million in cap money to spend if they don't resign either of those guys. And that would allow them to go after free agents like Lamar Odom, Shawn Marion, Hedo Turkoglu, Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur, Ben Gordon. Or, it could be a move to position themselves for the '10 free agent class, which includes Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Chris Bosh and Amare Stoudemire.

Anyway, for Detroit's sake, let's hope this is a move for the long term future of the franchise, rather than the short term. But then, you never know. After all, Detroit GM Joe Dumars did draft Darko after all.

Pistons to trade Billups, McDyess for Nuggets' Iverson [MLive]
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12/16/09   |   brucek863   |   50 respect

Just found this article. I wasn't on here to read it a year ago but wow how things change.

11/4/08   |   dumpire5153

Pat wrote:
If there's one thing that I've learned over the years, it's that Joe Dumars is the one player-turned-GM who actually deserves to be trusted. I'm not sure I see it quite yet, but I'm sure he's got good reasons for this one.

I think Dumars sees AI as ISAIAH was during joe's playing days...a scorer who distributeor vice versa.  And Detriot was VERY successful during that era.

11/3/08   |   streetballer123   |   3332 respect

I think this is a good trade for Detroit. If you look at it in the long run, The Pistons are also trying to pull a manuever to possibly acquire Lebron James somewhere in the near future.

The Pistons president doesn’t just have the salary cap space for the Cleveland Cavaliers star. He also has the connections and the championship credibility. Make no mistake: Detroit and Dumars are officially in hot pursuit of James – maybe even the favorite now – and it promises to be a long, agonizing two years for the Cavaliers.

Detroit doesn’t deliver the bright lights and global metropolis destination that James wants when he opts out of his contract in 2010, but two more years of watching Kobe Bryant win titles could transform his priorities. James wants badly to be considered the best player on the planet and that won’t happen until he’s a champion.

11/3/08   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

Well we can all agree that this trade looks good in theory, but will it work in...practice?

11/3/08   |   primo   |   1 respect

can denver actually have defense in mcdyess and billups? can detroit have a bigger headache than 'sheed? AI is the answer

11/3/08   |   Noah_Hurrle   |   10 respect

The Pistons now have pressure on them to win a championship this year, now their team will not fool around in the playoffs like last year

I think that this was a good trade for both teams because it wasn't working with AI and Carmelo for the Nuggets

11/3/08   |   Jahiegel   |   132 respect

kantwistaye wrote:
Would you take Mo Williams or Allen Iverson? 

Mo Williams and Billups have been the same player the past two years, and I don't think anyone would take Williams over A.I. Plus, the Pistons are in a much better position for the future.  This trade is a no doubt win for the Pistons.

A simplistic, per-game-average-based analysis might suggest that the two are the same player, but Chauncey's PER (21.38 in '06-'07, 23.48 in '07-'08, as against Mo's 16.35 and 17.36) and true shooting percentage (59.1 in '06-'07, 61.9 in '07-'08, as against Mo's 51.9 and 56.6) are far better. 

11/3/08   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

Pat wrote:
If there's one thing that I've learned over the years, it's that Joe Dumars is the one player-turned-GM who actually deserves to be trusted. I'm not sure I see it quite yet, but I'm sure he's got good reasons for this one.

He has made some good moves as a GM, but you also can't forget that he passed on Carmelo Anthony, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh to draft Darko.

11/3/08   |   fourtime7   |   8 respect

wtf. y trade 1 old guard 4 another  no benefits in the short but maybe the long term.  detroit will still mak e the playoffs but the chemstry will b lacking. nuggets probably won't should play4 the draft

11/3/08   |   kantwistaye   |   4211 respect

uptown7010 wrote:
I don't see how this will make Detroit a better team. Losing Chauncy, They're losing one of the leagues  most prolific point guards THAT CAN SCORE. Iverson is JUST a scorer and Does NOT want to play the point. Unless Detroit HAS another good point guard I see them headed for rebuilding and dumping salary against the cap. Thats all!

Would you take Mo Williams or Allen Iverson? 

Mo Williams and Billups have been the same player the past two years, and I don't think anyone would take Williams over A.I. Plus, the Pistons are in a much better position for the future.  This trade is a no doubt win for the Pistons.

11/3/08   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

uptown7010 wrote:
I don't see how this will make Detroit a better team. Losing Chauncy, They're losing one of the leagues  most prolific point guards THAT CAN SCORE. Iverson is JUST a scorer and Does NOT want to play the point. Unless Detroit HAS another good point guard I see them headed for rebuilding and dumping salary against the cap. Thats all!

They have Stuckey, who is pretty good, and yeah, they're probably dumping salary and rebuilding, as well.

11/3/08   |   uptown7010

I don't see how this will make Detroit a better team. Losing Chauncy, They're losing one of the leagues  most prolific point guards THAT CAN SCORE. Iverson is JUST a scorer and Does NOT want to play the point. Unless Detroit HAS another good point guard I see them headed for rebuilding and dumping salary against the cap. Thats all!

11/3/08   |   jeopardytempest

This trade does help Denver move away from an excess of scorers and become more well rounded.
I like the trade more from Detroit's perspective.  They were definitely on the decline.  Iverson will definitely add a big scoring threat in the short term, and as kant said, really sets them up well to rebuild.  I'm not sure that many if any of 2010's free agents will move... especially not to Detroit, so I would focus on getting young, solid players and maybe some top draft picks.  Iverson could also turn out to be a good fit in Detroit.

I agree that Melo has always been overrated (he's never done that much against the top players) and Denver will continue to languish in a western conference that is just getting better as the guard changes from the San Antonios, Phoenixes, and Dallases of the world to Utah, New Orleans, and Houston, among others.

I generally tend to agree with most of the posts here, about how Boston is going to have to really luck out to repeat last year and Detroit isn't the same team.  I think that leaves two teams: Cleveland and Toronto.  Orlando will take a small step backwards this year after everything went right last year.  Other teams on the rise are Chicago and Atlanta... but I really think Toronto was already a very solid team last year, and now O'Neal will be the difference maker.  This team can dominate any eastern conference team inside with the combination of Bosh, O'Neal, and Bergnani.  And Parker, Calderon, Moon, and Kopono are an excellent outside combination too.  Mark it down, Toronto is the team this year.

11/3/08   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

packer97 wrote:
 have to ask WHY break up a the pistons stating five who have been together 4 what 3+ years those guys known eachother inside and out i dont understand that move AI a good player i am not disagreen witthat but the piston stating 5 had it together and have gone to the playoffs every year since the won it all. come th got to mean something i guess i just have to see how this plays out hopefully 4 the best.

Well they've been together for a long time, but they haven't exactly been winning championships for a long time. Plus the older they were getting, the less likely they were to get back to one. Kind of shame too. If they hadn't drafted Darko I think this team could have won 2 or 3 championships.

11/3/08   |   packer97

 have to ask WHY break up a the pistons stating five who have been together 4 what 3+ years those guys known eachother inside and out i dont understand that move AI a good player i am not disagreen witthat but the piston stating 5 had it together and have gone to the playoffs every year since the won it all. come th got to mean something i guess i just have to see how this plays out hopefully 4 the best.

11/3/08   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

Keeter wrote:
Sorry.............but I have felt for a long time that 'Melo is extremely over-rated !!

As for Billups for AI, it may help both of them somewhat.     Billups will get a chance to do what he really likes to do most (shoot), and this does give Iverson the chance to get the name-sayers off his back, if somehow Detroit was able to make it to the Finals.     It could happen, and maybe the Pistons also need this 'shot in the arm' as well.

I will not be surprised if Boston doesn't make it to the Finals this year; I foresee injuries to Pierce and/or Allen this year; let's face it, they're both looking a little brittle !

Melo's basically just a pure scorer, which is what Iverson is now as well. Probably best they separated those two guys. Whatever the case, it wasn't working in Denver. That team looked great on paper but just wasn't very good.

11/3/08   |   littleice2   |   31 respect

Well Billups and Mc Dyess for Iverson I hope the Pistons know what there doing and Joe D. better  know what he's in for plus alert the police because Iverson is a wild card

11/3/08   |   Keeter   |   92 respect

Sorry.............but I have felt for a long time that 'Melo is extremely over-rated !!

As for Billups for AI, it may help both of them somewhat.     Billups will get a chance to do what he really likes to do most (shoot), and this does give Iverson the chance to get the name-sayers off his back, if somehow Detroit was able to make it to the Finals.     It could happen, and maybe the Pistons also need this 'shot in the arm' as well.

I will not be surprised if Boston doesn't make it to the Finals this year; I foresee injuries to Pierce and/or Allen this year; let's face it, they're both looking a little brittle !

11/3/08   |   kantwistaye   |   4211 respect

gobigblue1960 wrote:
I trust Dumars, but i also believe that Billups is Deeeetroit basketball, and runs the team. Iverson is a punk, a hall-of-fame ball-hog and malcontent.

Billups was very overrated.  He's Mo Williams with a bigger contract and older (seriously look at their last two seasons, they are identical.)  You got the better player and a better future.  Detroit won this trade with a KO.

11/3/08   |   kantwistaye   |   4211 respect

As Fanhouse has pointed out, AI is a free agent next year, and Rasheed Wallace has an option.  This is a chance to completely rebuild while still being competitve this year.  The 2009 Free Agent class isn't anything special, but Dumars can sit on that cap space and spend it on the 2010 Free Agent class which is filled with MVP candidates (LeBron, DWade, Chris Bosh, and Amare Stoudemire.)

11/3/08   |   gobigblue1960   |   4803 respect

Pat wrote:
If there's one thing that I've learned over the years, it's that Joe Dumars is the one player-turned-GM who actually deserves to be trusted. I'm not sure I see it quite yet, but I'm sure he's got good reasons for this one.

I trust Dumars, but i also believe that Billups is Deeeetroit basketball, and runs the team. Iverson is a punk, a hall-of-fame ball-hog and malcontent.

11/3/08   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

Pat wrote:
If there's one thing that I've learned over the years, it's that Joe Dumars is the one player-turned-GM who actually deserves to be trusted. I'm not sure I see it quite yet, but I'm sure he's got good reasons for this one.

All I can say is "Darko."

11/3/08   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

It also opens up more playing time for Rodney Stuckey who Detroit is really high on. Plus Jason Maxiell will now get more minutes. So in a sense the Pistons "went young" while getting a player who is NBA old.

11/3/08   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

100%InjuryRate wrote:
I can only imagine that this is a long term move by Detroit. I mean, it has to be, because you're right, these guys aren't all that different. It's seems like a move to buy time for Dumars, as in "see, we made a deal" while also setting them up for the long term.

If there's one thing that I've learned over the years, it's that Joe Dumars is the one player-turned-GM who actually deserves to be trusted. I'm not sure I see it quite yet, but I'm sure he's got good reasons for this one.

11/3/08   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

beerstudk wrote:
This was a dumb trade for both teams.  Denver did get a little better defensively, but with Karl as the HC that won't matter cuz he doesn't believe in playing defense.  I still don't see them making the playoffs or getting out of the 1st round as an 8th seed.
I look at AI and "Mr. Big-shot" as being pretty similar players in Detroit, losing McDyess along with Billups to bring in AI is too much to give up however.

I can only imagine that this is a long term move by Detroit. I mean, it has to be, because you're right, these guys aren't all that different. It's seems like a move to buy time for Dumars, as in "see, we made a deal" while also setting them up for the long term.

11/3/08   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

This was a dumb trade for both teams.  Denver did get a little better defensively, but with Karl as the HC that won't matter cuz he doesn't believe in playing defense.  I still don't see them making the playoffs or getting out of the 1st round as an 8th seed.
I look at AI and "Mr. Big-shot" as being pretty similar players in Detroit, losing McDyess along with Billups to bring in AI is too much to give up however.

11/3/08   |   superfly

I agree, I hope this is a long term move.

11/3/08   |   kantwistaye   |   4211 respect

(Edited by kantwistaye)

Maybe now that the Pistons have AI they'll lose that thugish type of basketball that they've been getting away with for the past few years.  And yes, I fully recognize the irony of saying that the addition of AI results in less thuggery.

11/3/08   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

That is if Denver can even make it to the playoffs.

I had heard this rumor floating around this past weekend and wasn't too sure about it but I think Detroit will be helped by this in the short term and Denver might actually be a little more stable team with a proven leader at the point. Interesting deal though.