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11/1/09
Amp Energy 500 [Race Wrap up]
Hallow-dega attacks early.....and late, but Jamie McMurray wins under caution
NASCAR implemented rule changes just before the race during the Drivers' Meeting.  They announced that drive through penalties would be assessed if a driver was deemed to have bump drafted through a corner.  It was not going to be allowed.

It left fans like myself wondering immediately how seriously they would administer that rule and exactly how it would affect the race.  To be honest, the racing was exciting for only a handful of laps.

Mark Martin led from the drop of the green flag, but both he and Jimmie Johnson dropped back, hopefully out of harm's way.  The first caution took only 5 laps to fly, when a cut tire put both Start-n-park driver, Joe Nemechek and Paul Menard into the wall. It was the first of only a handful of cautions.

The restart saw Jeff Gordon jump to the front, along with Greg Biffle, and of course, Dale Earnhardt Jr.  Many of the other Chasers, however, dropped back and formed another pack of cars, all running together.  The strategy behind this was obviously, to stay out of trouble, and keep with the Cream of the Crop, hopefully to stay out of trouble.

The Talladega freight train carried on, leading the commentators to say they hoped the drivers would actually start to race sometime.  Kurt Busch slid through the infield after some agressive bump-drafting had damaged his rear quarter panel and cut a tire.  Many of the cars had been on their way down pit lane at the time, juggling the order.  coming to the completion of the first 100 laps, Kevin Harvick, Elliott Sadler and Dale Earnhardt Jr were up front.

All the drivers were being very careful not to bump draft in the corners, as NASCAR had mandated, however, with 80 or so laps to go, it was becoming more difficult to do.  The inside line, especially was having difficulties as as soon as one driver let off on the gas to create space between himself and the car in front, the cars behind would start to accordian.   NASCAR warned all the drivers once again of the new rule, but it seemed, at least to this viewer, as if the space between cars was not always the fault of the driver that appeared to be the culprit.  Denny Hamlin received an individual warning from NASCAR when he had been observed glued to Clint Bowyer's car through the corner.

With 60 laps to go, the cars were running three wide and seemed to have adjusted to the lack of bump drafting in the corner.  They had realised they could still help each other out, without ramming into the car in front of them, and the action had ramped up the heart rate.  Unfortunately, it also lead the commentators to mention "The Big One" and the fact that we hadn't seen one.....yet.

Jimmie Johnson and Carl Edwards were still hanging out in the back, in the mid 30's, along with Kasey Kahne, while Jeff Gordon, Juan Pablo Montoya and Denny Hamlin were running in the front.  That is until Denny Hamlin blew up.  NASCAR kept the cars out on the track while Denny got through pit road, leading to speculation that some teams may try to make it to the end on fuel.  After initial pit stops, but before the green flag flew again, many cars came back down pit road to top up on fuel.  Brad Keselowski led them to the green flag, but Jeff Gordon quickly assumed the lead.

With 43 laps to go, David Reutimann got very loose and almost went into the wall.  Dale Jr made a quick move to the inside to avoid him and the Big One was averted.  In the meantime, Kasey Kahne who had trouble very early on in the race took the lead for his turn, only to relinquish it to his teammate, Elliott Sadler.

With 35 laps to go, the dicing up front had become even more intense.  In the meantime, Tony Stewart, teammate, Ryan Newman and Jimmie Johnson were all running right at the back.  One of the best superspeedway racers, Michael Waltrip, was also running in the back.  During practice, Jimmie and Michael had been able to move quickly through the field together, leading the commentators to note that the two would likely find each other when it came time to move forward. 

By 30 laps to go, the Talladega freight train had stretched out again, with Jamie McMurray in the lead.  There had been only 4 caution flags so far.  With 25 to go, the freight train continued, but radio chatter had drivers picking their dancing partners for the run to the Checkers.  Dale Jr and Mark Martin pulled down to the bottom with 22 to go, and a slew of drivers moved with them.  Jimmie Johnson also started to move forward, trying to find the cars he wanted to draft with.   Dale Jr quickly moved to the lead, but lost Mark with the moves he'd been forced to make.  Mark settled into 5th.  Jimmie was trying to move up, but by virtue of moving out of line, almost lost the draft.

With 20 to go, Dale Jr lead, but Jamie McMurray was able to get by him once again, and Jr got shuffled back to 9th, in closer quarters to his Hendrick teammates.  He picked up Matt Kenseth and Jeff Gordon and the three, along with the cars who fell in behind them, once again moved to the front.  Jamie McMurray, however, continued to lead, moving from top to bottom and back again, to pick up the fastest movers. 

Jimmie Johnson tried to make a move forward with 15 to go, picking up Greg Biffle who was also riding around in the back.  Dale Jr got impatient with Jamie McMurray blocking him and made a daring move to the bottom to get away from McMurray.  Unfortunately, the bottom wasn't the best place for Jr to run, and the move slowed him, allowing the top two lanes to gain the momentum to the lead.  AJ Allmendinger's car blew with 11 laps to go, but AJ kept it on the apron, and no caution flag flew.

Ten to go and the pack was crammed into two lanes, with David Stremme leading the top line, and McMurray leading the lower line.  Eight laps to go and the two lanes had become three, four and five wide.  Johnson had moved up to 25th, joining teammate Dale Jr, who had dropped back.

Jamie McMurray continued to lead with seven laps to go, and with six to go, Kurt Busch dropped down with a flat tire - no caution.  Five to go, it was McMurray and Kenseth, pushed by Jeff Gordon. 

With four to go, no one saw it coming, but suddenly, Ryan Newman was in the air.  Kevin Harvick was there when  Ryan came down, his rear hood on Kevin's front hood.  The accident seemed to have been started when Ryan and his teammate and team owner, Tony Stewart got together.  Smoke had gotten into the wall.  Kevin pulled up next to Ryan where his car came to rest, on his roof in the grass and remained there until he saw Ryan moving around, the pulled out of the way of the safety crews.

With three laps to go, NASCAR Red Flagged the race, stopping the cars on the track.  Ryan was okay, but upside down.  The wrecker was brought out to bring the car back to right side up before attempts to remove Ryan from the car were made.  It was done ever so gently, and after the roof was peeled back, Ryan climbed from his car under his own power.

Cleanup finished up, and Ryan Newman didn't hesitate to speak his mind about his views on the "racing" we'd seen today.  He said the racing was disappointing, with no below the yellow line, no bump drafting in the corners, no gentlemen's racing and NASCAR not allowing the drivers to treat each other with respect. 

The green flag flew with three to go, and Jamie McMurray again jumped out to the lead, but the caution and the yellow would fly with one to go, and the race finished under caution.  Way to go, NASCAR, what a wonderful way to finish up an entirely unexciting race.

Involved in the final crash were Mark Martin, who flipped and still drove away, Brad Keselowski, Kurt Busch, Jeff Gordon, David Reutiman, Casey Mears, Martin Truex Jr.,

The top five of the race were McMurray, Kasey Kahne, Joey Logano, Greg Biffle, and Jeff Burton.  I have to extend a huge congratulations to Jamie McMurray because he did have a dominant car and had lead a ton of laps.  It is a great move for a driver who has no ride for 2010.  Jimmie Johnson finished in 6th, and maintained his lead, now at 187 points.  

Normally, this would be the end of the recap, and i'd sign off, saying "what a race" but right now I'm pretty pissed.  You see, I understand safety, I really do, and you won't find too many more people in favor of safety than me, but this "race" was ridiculous.  If you read my "preview" it wasn't really one, and I commented that there would be one happy guy, the winner, and 42 others for whom the race was a nightmare.  I stand by that statement.  I'm not sure what NASCAR needs to do, but what they are doing isn't making the racing better, or the wrecks safer.  The racing isn't racing and the wrecks are even more spectacular and dangerous.  Mark Martin got touched by Juan Pablo Montoya and flipped. NASCAR, you need to seriously rethink what you are presenting to the fans, seriously.
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11/1/09
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aos035 wrote:
Did you write this huge article as you watched it?
Yes, I did, is that a problem? I usually do, as there are many fans who don't get to watch the race and like to know what happened.

11/1/09
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I've never been more disappointed in a Talladega race.  If that's what its going to be let's drop 'Dega and go back to Rockingham.  That was just horrible.

11/1/09
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kantwistaye wrote:
I've never been more disappointed in a Talladega race.  If that's what its going to be let's drop 'Dega and go back to Rockingham.  That was just horrible.
I couldn't agree more.  I had hopes as the race was winding down that there was going to be some RACING, but all we saw was a freight train and wrecks.

11/1/09
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what we saw today was not a "race" when the cream of the crop are all riding around in their own pack trying to stay out of trouble there is something wrong....

it is good that nascar has a drivers meeting on  the morning of the race so the drivers will know what the rules are for that week....today there were thousands of empty seats at Talladega, i am sure that nascar doesn't like that at one of their "premier" races of the year....

although the new car is boring and the fans don't like it, this afternoon i am glad they mandated a "safe" car....this race was a wreck from green to checker.....

11/1/09
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NASCAR needs to dump the Restrictor Plates...they are doing more harm then good. With the plates, the cars are packed tighter then sardines and the drivers have limited room to maneuver, That's why were seeing all these gnarly wrecks.
I would like to congratulate Jamie for winning, Kasey Kahne you go boy! I'm glad Ryan and Mark are OK...what wrecks! and especially grateful that Johnson didn't win....

11/1/09
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BudweiserNine wrote:
NASCAR needs to dump the Restrictor Plates...they are doing more harm then good. With the plates, the cars are packed tighter then sardines and the drivers have limited room to maneuver, That's why were seeing all these gnarly wrecks.
I would like to congratulate Jamie for winning, Kasey Kahne you go boy! I'm glad Ryan and Mark are OK...what wrecks! and especially grateful that Johnson didn't win....
Ohh okay

11/1/09
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BudweiserNine wrote:
NASCAR needs to dump the Restrictor Plates...they are doing more harm then good. With the plates, the cars are packed tighter then sardines and the drivers have limited room to maneuver, That's why were seeing all these gnarly wrecks.
I would like to congratulate Jamie for winning, Kasey Kahne you go boy! I'm glad Ryan and Mark are OK...what wrecks! and especially grateful that Johnson didn't win....

100% on the head!  Nascar is becoming a big joke....with all the rules, can't go below the yellow line, can't bump draft in corners, (I seen alot of bumping in the corners and nothing was done about it....Good job Nascar for enforcing ANOTHER rule)  use of the plates. (which is the biggest joke of them all) let racing be racing and the drivers can respect the other drivers...like the good old days. Nascar did make a good decision with safety, If they had not who knows, Newman may not be upright and walking on his own.
  I just watch the last 20 laps or so of races now... the rest is not worth watching.


11/1/09
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Did you write this huge article as you watched it?

11/1/09
0
I was very disappointed in the race also.  McMurray get s a win, big deal!  I don't feel like he earned it!

11/1/09
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aos035 wrote:
Did you write this huge article as you watched it?
Yes, I did, is that a problem? I usually do, as there are many fans who don't get to watch the race and like to know what happened.

11/1/09
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i am so sick and tired of guys getting a big celebration for a win they did NOT earn, i.e. reutaman at the coca cola 324.5, as fans we want to see a rsce to the finish. todays race was a snooze fest. clean up the track do whatever you need to so we can actually see a race. if you can't finish til the next day so be it, atleast then we will know who really won the race. not who just happened to be in the lead when nascar decides to end it.

11/1/09
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The reason for the restrictor plates is so they can hold the car to the track better and handle better as they drive.   The no bumping in the corners rule is a great idea, because it keep a driver from causing another driver to run into the outside walls and as well as diving downward into the center wall as well.  The no bumping in the corners rule is a great rule to have, because it can also save a driver from having such a bad  wreck and keep the driver from getting killed as well.  So they have to have rules to keep all drivers safe and as well as the fans.   Remember!   These driver have families too and want to go home after each race.  Wouldn't you?  I thank so! 

11/1/09
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We all, or at least a great number of us, know the history and the reasons for both the restrictor plates, and the new bump drafting rule.  I'm a 20 year NASCAR fan.  The point is, they aren't working as far as the racing is concerned.  We could put them all in big padded cars and have them run around the track in those, and they'd be as safe as could be, but the racing would suck.  We had two wrecks today where cars came well of the ground and flipped.  Talladega in April saw Carl Edwards fly through the air and hit the catch fence.  How is this safer?  Yes, the drivers walked away, but these cars should not be leaving the ground and something needs to be done about that.  All the bump drafting in the corner rule did this weekend was make the race boring.  It didn't keep the cars on the ground.

11/2/09
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absolute worst race i have seen in a long time. NASCAR created a boring race by not letting them drive the cars. they opted to set a boring stage, and then because of that helped facilitate a horrendous Wreck. people wanna cite Edwards wreck in the spring as bad - Newman was very lucky he landed on Harvicks car. it could have been far far worse. instead they make the drivers back off in the corners, which in turn cause a wreck.

good game NASCAR, thank for making it the most boring race ive ever seen run at Talladega.

11/2/09
5
and Kudos to Newman for being man enough to voice what most everyone else thought. Mark Martin wanted to when he came out of the care center, but he is too nice. Newman voiced what most eveyone felt about the race, and I agree 150% with him. I did find it funny that the media avoided Stewart, cause i am sure he woulda had a sound bite for the ages.

11/2/09
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Great article Deb ...and yes this one had to be one of the worst dega races i have seen in a long time ...i actually started to fall asleep in the middle .....they really need to do something about the plates ...it's killing the race

11/2/09
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(Edited by AndiLee0388)
Sorry, but the restrictor plate was mandated at two tracks only. The main reason for it was to govern the tremendous speeds.

"There have been three reasons that NASCAR used restrictor plates in its history.

The first use came in 1971 as part of NASCAR's plans to reduce the size of engines from 427 cubic inches (7.0 L) to 358 cubic inches (5.9 L). In order to allow teams with smaller budgets to race the larger engines, NASCAR made mandatory the use of a restrictor plate to be placed on larger engines to equalize performance with smaller engines.
The second use came following the terrifying crash of
Bobby Allison at the 1987 Winston 500 at Talladega Superspeedway. Allison's Buick LeSabre[1] blew a tire going into the tri-oval and flew tail-first into catch fencing early in the event, injuring spectators (although not actually entering into the grandstands). After a summer where the two subsequent superspeedway races were run with aids to prevent cars from flying, and smaller carburetors (390 cubic feet per minute instead of 750 cubic feet per minute) proved to be inadequate to sufficiently slow the cars, NASCAR imposed restrictor plates again, this time at the two fastest circuits, both superspeedways: Daytona for all NASCAR-
The third use came in 2000. Following fatal crashes of
Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin, Jr. at the New Hampshire International Speedway during the May Busch Series and July Cup Series races, NASCAR adopted Modified rules featuring a one-inch (2.54 cm) restrictor plate to slow the cars headed towards the tight turns as part of a series of reforms to alleviate stuck throttle problems which were alleged to have caused both fatal crashes."

From Wikipedia

THe bump drafting in the corners came about because of the horrific crashes, most recently Carl Edwards.

The problem with all of this: They have taken the control out of the drivers hands with everything from the restrictor plate, to the COT, to this "new" rule yesterday.. These changes have only caused more bunch ups, and worse wrecks. And, having Nascar on the radio every 30 laps reminding them about bumping in the corners was absolutely ridiculous!

Ryan Newman pegged it 100%. It's time to go back to days of old, with the new safety features of the COT, get rid of the plates, and let the boys race.

Yesterday's Dega race was a farce!

11/2/09
5
BTW great article Debi! And Nascar wonders why the seats are empty, and TV viewership is down.

11/2/09
3
Thanks for the recap! I happen to be one of those people who don't get to watch the races, due to my work schedule. It's nice of you to write this for people like me!!!! You rock!!!!

11/2/09
1
JrCanuckFan wrote:
I couldn't agree more.  I had hopes as the race was winding down that there was going to be some RACING, but all we saw was a freight train and wrecks.
wow that was a crappy race and as for yesturday jamie murray was lucky to have win that race and im feelin sorry for the way ryan newman wrecked his car man that was a nasty way to wreck his car but i hope he is doing ok and get back in their and show people how to race

11/2/09
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Newman was not happy. I don't blame him, this plate stuff is getting ridiculous. 2 major wrecks in the last 5 laps. 2 cars flipping over. What a joke.

11/2/09
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becks_raiderfan wrote:
Thanks for the recap! I happen to be one of those people who don't get to watch the races, due to my work schedule. It's nice of you to write this for people like me!!!! You rock!!!!
You are most welcome, I'm glad to hear that.  Others have told me the same, or that they are watching football and trying to catch bits of the race, so I am happy to do these writeups.  I just wish I'd had a better race to write about

11/2/09
2
Great article as always Deb, thank you!  I sat here expecting an awesome race, after all, it was Dega. Then the announcement came on about the no bum n run in the corners...what is Helton thinking...obviously he's not. It was bad enough that they made the plates smaller, but no bump n run...come on. Like you, I have been a Nascar for 20+ years as well. I think a lot of the problem is the COT. I never have been a fan of the car.  Thank God for all the safety issues because we might not be able to sit here today and see Carl Edwards, Ryan Newman and Mark Martin racing. I had Trac Pass on the in-car from some of the drivers was hysterical but pretty sad at the same time. They couldn't race, all they could do was drive. If this continues, the fan attendance is going to fall off even more. People want to see racing and the drivers want to race for the fans. Kevin Harvick asked for cruise control, Smoke wanted someone to talk to him so he didn't fall asleep and Junior said he's never been that bored in a race. Helton's main concern was the roof flaps working so the cars wouldn't flip. Well, the flaps worked, but the cars still flipped. Makes you wonder what he's going to do next...that man needs to get out of Nascar before he ruins the sport completely.  Yes, I'm angry, what happened was pure B/S. Thank God Ryan is alright, that was a horrible wreck...scared me to death. I'm done ranting now.

11/2/09
4
the worst race since the tire debacle at indy....Helton needs to go. can you imagine the umps changing the playing rules when the managers come out to exchange line up cards before a world series game?

There are 2 things that come to mind that might help the situation, both are easy fixes.....

1 larger roof flaps. the present ones are not doing their job when the cars are at high speed. why not make them a bit bigger?

2 there has to be a way to fix a hinge to the rear wing so that when a car gets spinning backwards it lays down flat and does not lift the rear of the car....it only stands to reason that if when going forward the wing provides downforce when the car is going backwards it would do the opposite and provide lift.....just my thoughts

11/2/09
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Toejam wrote:
the worst race since the tire debacle at indy....Helton needs to go. can you imagine the umps changing the playing rules when the managers come out to exchange line up cards before a world series game?

There are 2 things that come to mind that might help the situation, both are easy fixes.....

1 larger roof flaps. the present ones are not doing their job when the cars are at high speed. why not make them a bit bigger?

2 there has to be a way to fix a hinge to the rear wing so that when a car gets spinning backwards it lays down flat and does not lift the rear of the car....it only stands to reason that if when going forward the wing provides downforce when the car is going backwards it would do the opposite and provide lift.....just my thoughts
Pretty smart thinking there!!

11/2/09
2
AndiLee0388 wrote:
Pretty smart thinking there!!
thank you if i do say so myself....LOL

11/2/09
2
Give that man a job!!

11/2/09
3
Toejam wrote:
the worst race since the tire debacle at indy....Helton needs to go. can you imagine the umps changing the playing rules when the managers come out to exchange line up cards before a world series game?

There are 2 things that come to mind that might help the situation, both are easy fixes.....

1 larger roof flaps. the present ones are not doing their job when the cars are at high speed. why not make them a bit bigger?

2 there has to be a way to fix a hinge to the rear wing so that when a car gets spinning backwards it lays down flat and does not lift the rear of the car....it only stands to reason that if when going forward the wing provides downforce when the car is going backwards it would do the opposite and provide lift.....just my thoughts
I forgot to add.....

3 nascar needs to talk to Ryan Newman. he has a degree in engineering and of course experiance behind the wheel....who would know better.....

4 give Mike Helton a nice desk job and a good salary to stay away from the tracks. the man is a walking disaster and is driving nascar into the ground.....on second thought he would make a good hood ornament.

11/2/09
2
Definitely thanks for the recap.  I didn't get to see the race this weekend which is very unusual.  Now, I'm glad I wasn't able to.  I didn't miss anything but a good nap more than likely!  That is what happens when the race is boring, I fall asleep on the couch.  You are right, they need to be able to get back to racing - safety features are in place and bump drafting and rubbing ARE racing.  They aren't out to kill each other, just trying to make a little room to run.  Thanks for a very great article!

11/2/09
2
Toejam wrote:
I forgot to add.....

3 nascar needs to talk to Ryan Newman. he has a degree in engineering and of course experiance behind the wheel....who would know better.....

4 give Mike Helton a nice desk job and a good salary to stay away from the tracks. the man is a walking disaster and is driving nascar into the ground.....on second thought he would make a good hood ornament.
I really wanted to give you both a smart and a funny, smart for the Ryan Newman part, I was thinking that earlier today, that I wouldn't be surprised to see him working iwth the R&D guys to figure out something that WILL work.  If NASCAR is smart, they'll talk to him.

But you had to get the funny for the hood ornament......

11/2/09
3
On a side note, this win may have been huge for Jamie McMurray (beyond the fact that he, you know, won).  The #1 ride is still open and while Chip Ganassi wants McMurray for the ride, sponsor Bass Pro Shops wants Bobby LaBonte.  This win could very well have convinced Bass Pro Shops that maybe McMurray is an acceptable choice.

11/2/09
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I hope Jamie gets the ride.  I honestly think he deserves it, not just because of this last race.  Hopefully he will get it!

11/2/09
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kantwistaye wrote:
On a side note, this win may have been huge for Jamie McMurray (beyond the fact that he, you know, won).  The #1 ride is still open and while Chip Ganassi wants McMurray for the ride, sponsor Bass Pro Shops wants Bobby LaBonte.  This win could very well have convinced Bass Pro Shops that maybe McMurray is an acceptable choice.
Except that he doesn't exactly exude "fisherman" and that could be the issue.  Although I haven't seen any Martin Truex Jr commercials up here in Canuckland, I'm sure there must be some? or no?  I just can't picture Jamie trying to sell a fishing rod, let alone baiting a hook with a worm - the two just don't go together.

11/2/09
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JrCanuckFan wrote:
Except that he doesn't exactly exude "fisherman" and that could be the issue.  Although I haven't seen any Martin Truex Jr commercials up here in Canuckland, I'm sure there must be some? or no?  I just can't picture Jamie trying to sell a fishing rod, let alone baiting a hook with a worm - the two just don't go together.
all true but does Kasey Kahne say Budweiser? he still looks like he is about 12...LOL

11/2/09
4
(Edited by kantwistaye)
Exactly Bass Pro Shops concern. I think I may have seen a Truex Jr commercial for them once, but can't completely recall.  Then again, I can't see Kasey Kahne drinking Budweiser, although clearly Kahne is much better than McMurray and Labonte so Budweiser could care less. It'll be interesting to see who wins out: owner or sponsor?

Edit: I think its hilarious that both John and I immediately thought of Kasey Kahne and Budweiser.

11/3/09
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JRSFLAME88 wrote:
I was very disappointed in the race also.  McMurray get s a win, big deal!  I don't feel like he earned it!
Why not? Every other driver had the same amount of time to get to the lead. Just like rain shortened races.....All drivers and teams know if there is rain in the area and that there is a chance the race may be shortened. Jamie was just in the right place at the right time.

I'm glad Jamie won it was nice seeing somebody else besides a Hendrick car in front.

11/3/09
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Toejam wrote:
all true but does Kasey Kahne say Budweiser? he still looks like he is about 12...LOL
I have wondered why Nascar would allow an alcohol sponsor to be on a car whos drivers' fan base is 90% 12-20yr olds.....
Could you see if it was Kasey who got a DUI instead of AJ? Then again Kahne is smarter then that...he would take the back roads home.... Just kidding.

11/3/09
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Toejam wrote:
I forgot to add.....

3 nascar needs to talk to Ryan Newman. he has a degree in engineering and of course experiance behind the wheel....who would know better.....

4 give Mike Helton a nice desk job and a good salary to stay away from the tracks. the man is a walking disaster and is driving nascar into the ground.....on second thought he would make a good hood ornament.
Funny? Smart? Funny? Smart...aw hell the hood ornament takes it..Funny it is..LOL

11/3/09
1
kantwistaye wrote:
Exactly Bass Pro Shops concern. I think I may have seen a Truex Jr commercial for them once, but can't completely recall.  Then again, I can't see Kasey Kahne drinking Budweiser, although clearly Kahne is much better than McMurray and Labonte so Budweiser could care less. It'll be interesting to see who wins out: owner or sponsor?

Edit: I think its hilarious that both John and I immediately thought of Kasey Kahne and Budweiser.
IF you could see some of the pics I have in my private stash, you would know that Jamie Mac says Bud much more than KK..LMAO

Ya'll are forgetting one thing, RGM is going to two cars next year, and if nothing else, Robby can get/keep sponsors. Things might not end up being as cut and dried as everyone thinks!

11/3/09
1
(Edited by AndiLee0388)
Where did you get those statistics? 

Here's the current demographics:
Gender NASCAR Fans
Male 60%
Female 40%

 

AGE DISTRIBUTION
NASCAR fans are just as likely to be 18-34 and 18-44.

Age U.S. Population NASCAR Fans

Index NASCAR Fans
vs. U.S. Population

18-24 13% 13% 100
25-34 18% 18% 100
35-44 17% 18% 106
45-54 22% 24% 109
55-64 13% 13% 100
65+ 17% 14% 82

  Just sayin'

11/3/09
1
(Edited by AndiLee0388)
OK I am done now..ROTFLMAO

11/3/09
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AndiLee0388 wrote:
IF you could see some of the pics I have in my private stash, you would know that Jamie Mac says Bud much more than KK..LMAO

Ya'll are forgetting one thing, RGM is going to two cars next year, and if nothing else, Robby can get/keep sponsors. Things might not end up being as cut and dried as everyone thinks!
I beg to differ....IF you can see my pics you might change your mind about McMurray fluently speaking "bud" language. Kahne talks Bud very well.

11/3/09
0
AndiLee0388 wrote:
Where did you get those statistics? 

Here's the current demographics:
Gender NASCAR Fans
Male 60%
Female 40%

 

AGE DISTRIBUTION
NASCAR fans are just as likely to be 18-34 and 18-44.

Age U.S. Population NASCAR Fans

Index NASCAR Fans
vs. U.S. Population

18-24 13% 13% 100
25-34 18% 18% 100
35-44 17% 18% 106
45-54 22% 24% 109
55-64 13% 13% 100
65+ 17% 14% 82

  Just sayin'
................and your referring to........?????

11/3/09
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BlondeKitten wrote:
................and your referring to........?????
Read the thread before getting cocky. I was referring to a post that Budweiser9 made. As for Jamie, I'll show you my pics, you show me yours, and then we can figure out if I have a clue what I'm talking about, keep in mind I have been around a long time...ROTFL!

11/6/09
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AndiLee0388 wrote:
Read the thread before getting cocky. I was referring to a post that Budweiser9 made. As for Jamie, I'll show you my pics, you show me yours, and then we can figure out if I have a clue what I'm talking about, keep in mind I have been around a long time...ROTFL!
Well, I bet if you ask every 15 yr old nascar fan.....Who is your driver? Most would say Kahne (100% of 15yr old females I know would) I guess if I had a say in it I would ban alcohol sponsors from racing.....Just because of the young fan base...
I have been around 21 years......getting damn old!

 
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