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2/14/08
Aramis Ramirez Loves Cockfighting. Mike Vick Wishes He Had Loved It Instead Of Dogfighting.
Forget baseball and steroids. That's old news. The new hotness in baseball is all about cockfighting. As I'm sure you know, Pedro Martinez and Juan Marichal were recently revealed to be major cockfighting enthusiasts thanks to a YouTube video of a cockfight the two had in the Dominican Republic last year. It's since been taken down.

Obviously because no cares about roosters anywhere near as much as dogs, this story hasn't even come close to drawing the outrage that the Vick case did. Cockfighting > Dogfighting.

But anyway, it's still ruffled some feathers. Aramis Ramirez, however, doesn't care. He is a cockfighting king, and proud of it.

A-Ram was prominently featured in a recent issue of a Dominican cockfighting magazine, En La Traba, in which he is pictured with several roosters that he raises for fighting.

Of roosters, he said in the magazine, “When I’m in the Dominican Republic, I’m dedicated entirely to them.” That may also explain why A-Ram can never drive in runners that are in scoring position. Less cock, more bat might help A-Ram.

Anyway, Dominicans say cockfighting is in their blood, which is always the best excuse. Don't blame yourself, blame your culture. Or blame society, that works too.

Frankly, I'm not that upset about this, nor am I upset with Martinez, A-Ram or Marichal. I'm upset with how the public outcry over this is a peep in comparison to the Vick case.

People here in the US get all bent out of shape when dogs are killed for sport, but those same people could care less about cockfighting. And don't give me the, "Well, these guys are Dominican, and it's legal there, so I'm not going to comment" argument. If Martinez, Marichal, and Ramirez were doing legal dogfighting in the Dominican Republic, people wouldn't be saying "It's ok, it's legal there." They'd be up in arms.

To me, our apathy to cockfighting by MLB players (even if it's legal in their country) makes Vick's imprisonment seem more along the lines of a witch hunt rather than actual justice. Because no matter how you look at it, there's no way Vick would have been railroaded into prison if he'd been involved with cockfighting instead of dogfighting - even though they're both felonies in most states in the US (dogfighting: 48; cockfighting: 33). And when you honestly stop and think about that, there's something wrong with that.

Particularly if you claim to honestly give a #### about animals.
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2/14/08
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Those cocks have better contact than Aramis Ramirez with RISP.

In all seriousness, though, cockfighting legal in those parts. Dogfighting is illegal in these parts. To me, that's the difference.

2/14/08
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I always hate it when America tries to impose its culture and societal norms on other countries. If that is what the citizens of that country want to do and it is legal, the us as Americans really shouldn't be concerned with it. We aren't the world police.

2/14/08
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i love dogs to death.  i love chicken nuggets, don't care how they get to the table.

 

I think if cat-fighting were legal in the US (for all I know it is), i wouldnt care.  I just wouldnt watch well, because I'm sensitive to blood.


2/14/08
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hskrdave wrote:

i love dogs to death.  i love chicken nuggets, don't care how they get to the table.

 

I think if cat-fighting were legal in the US (for all I know it is), i wouldnt care.  I just wouldnt watch well, because I'm sensitive to blood.

What guy doesn't love a good Cat Fight

2/14/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
What guy doesn't love a good Cat Fight
ok not exactly what i meant, but you are right. damn i need some sleep.

2/14/08
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Dogs are pets.  Roosters are not.  It doesn't take a genius to see why more of an outcry is made about dog fighting.  I think both are wrong, but I don't think it is hypocrytical to get more bent out of shape about one wrong vs. another...people care about what they care about.  It's just unfortunate for roosters (and bulls for that matter)  that they don't have a strong fan base in the US.

2/14/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
I always hate it when America tries to impose its culture and societal norms on other countries. If that is what the citizens of that country want to do and it is legal, the us as Americans really shouldn't be concerned with it. We aren't the world police.

I have not heard anyone in this post saying that we need to invade D.R. or impose sanctions on them to force them to stop cock-fighting..   it is talking about how the media and fans here will treat a player in terms of opinion and how we feel about them when he comes back to our country, where he will spend the majority of the next several months.

 

The second half of the blog was talking about how we in the US would have treated Vick if he had done the same thing HERE..    the point is that if Vick's felony HERE had been cock-fighting (which is illegal in the majority of states), he believes the outrage would have been less and he might not have been pursued as hard.


2/14/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
I always hate it when America tries to impose its culture and societal norms on other countries. If that is what the citizens of that country want to do and it is legal, the us as Americans really shouldn't be concerned with it. We aren't the world police.
lol..  no offense but it is a cultural and societal norm of OUR culture to judge people and tell them about it and it is legal for us to do so (with certain restrictions).    so since it is legal and a societal/culture norm, then we shouldn't be so worried about it. :)

2/14/08
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isucubs wrote:
lol..  no offense but it is a cultural and societal norm of OUR culture to judge people and tell them about it and it is legal for us to do so (with certain restrictions).    so since it is legal and a societal/culture norm, then we shouldn't be so worried about it. :)
I wasn't calling out this post. I didn't think he did. It was more of a thing that America does that kinda bugs me when we think the rest of the world has to conform to our standards.

2/14/08
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Actually some people do keep roosters for pets. And some societies eat dogs. US societal norms, like almost every other country's, are far from rational. Most psychological studies bear out the fact that folks who are cruel to animals are at least mildly sociopathic. Killing an animal humanely for food is one thing. Allowing them to fight and kill each other for sport is altogether different. Are some societies inherently more cruel than others? Sadly, I would say yes.

2/15/08
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I love Fighting Gamecocks

3/11/08
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josephsoninstitute.org/sports/newsletter/sportsnews-2008_03.htm

So a couple of us got misquoted in this newsletter I found. Kind of interesting.

3/11/08
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(Edited by hskrdave)
Jubanator14 wrote:
josephsoninstitute.org/sports/newsletter/sportsnews-2008_03.htm

So a couple of us got misquoted in this newsletter I found. Kind of interesting.

woohoo i'm famous.

 

and I didn't even say it.  that was your response to me.  and isucubs response to you.

 

whoever wrote that "wonderful" blog is a moron.


3/11/08
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I just sent this email.

 

 

Hello,

I am hskrdave who's quote you used from faniq.com. First of all, both quote's you took from that thread were incomplete quotes, I guess to try to make some type of point. Secondly, you attributed both quote's to the wrong people. I realize you think you provide a quality newsletter, and to be honest, I've never seen it before until I was posted this link, so maybe it is, but you should really get your facts together, or at least be able to post intelligently if you are going to post something. Good Luck with in the future.

Have a Great Day!

David Goodrich

Financial Advisor


3/12/08
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hskrdave wrote:

woohoo i'm famous.

 

and I didn't even say it.  that was your response to me.  and isucubs response to you.

 

whoever wrote that "wonderful" blog is a moron.

wow..   we must be semi-celebs-- let's take our quotes out of context. :)


3/12/08
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isucubs wrote:

wow..   we must be semi-celebs-- let's take our quotes out of context. :)

yeah, and surprisingly, i haven't gotten a response to my email.


3/12/08
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hskrdave wrote:

yeah, and surprisingly, i haven't gotten a response to my email.

I am shocked

3/12/08
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isucubs wrote:
I am shocked
if by some miracle i get a reply, it will be posted.

3/12/08
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hskrdave wrote:
if by some miracle i get a reply, it will be posted.
sweet :)

 
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