NCAAF, Auburn Tigers

Auburn Coach Tuberville Calls For a Playoff

10/5/06 in NCAAF   |   TheDondino   |   respect

(The annual playoff vs BCS debate begins ... now)


Tommy Tuberville, who just might be my favorite coach outside of the Big 10, took some jabs at the NCAA along with stating his case that the only way for an SEC school to become a part of the championship game would be through a playoff system.


He's probably right.  With OSU and USC at #1 and #2 in a lot of polls and the critical Harris poll, Auburn might be on the outside looking in for the second time in three years.  With 5 teams in the top 13, the SEC is loaded and is easily the best conference this year, if not most years, and the top teams will bludgeon each other before conference play is over.  I would go on a limb and say an undefeated SEC team this year would be the most deserving team for a BCS National Championship game ever, but will probably not be playing in Glendale, Arizona on January 8th.


This underscores the need for a playoff rather than a Bowl Championship Series.  We debated this on FanIQ back in June and both sides of the fence made some good arguments for and against a playoff determining the national champion.  Here's a plan I mentioned then, that would give us the greatest football weekend in the history of sports.

 

 

"Imagine this though. Don't shorten the season any, keep all the existing, smaller bowls as they are and have a 16-team playoff begin on New Year's Eve. 8 of the existing bowls (Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar, Cap One, Cotton, Gator, Outback) would be in on the new playoffs.

On New Year's Eve and New Year's Day, the Cap One, Cotton, Gator, and Outback bowls would host a first round game each day. Two games for each venue, played on the two days. The winners from each game would move on to one of the four other bowls (Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar) and play each other for Round 2.

Round 2 (one week later) would have the elite 8 playing in the four "BCS" bowls to determine the final Four.

Round 3 (semifinals, a week later) 2 of the 4 BCS bowls would host another game (this would rotate every year like the nat. champ game does now).

Championship - Another of the BCS bowls would host the National Championship game...rotated like the semifinals. The kicker here is that the timing would coincide with the week off between the NFL conference championships and the super bowl. That dead week where we have nothing to do but anticipate the Superbowl. Fill it with the National Championship game instead.

Or...even better, give the college guys an extra week of rest also and play the National Championship game the day before the Super Bowl and declare the entire weekend a national holiday. Tell your wives and kids that you'll see them on Monday and enjoy the greatest weekend of football ever.

Just a thought."

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8/26/07   |   OoDeviLoO   |   15 respect

I don't know about a true playoff, but I think the +1 would work great.  At the end of the season, have teams play in bowl games like they normally would, then take the #1 rank and have them play the #4 ranked.  Have #2 and #3 play.  Allow the winner of those two games to play for the title.  It's not perfect but it's as close to a true playoff as we can get.  Pus if your not in the top 4, then you probably wouldn't win it anyways.

10/7/06   |   CriticalFanatic

Matt wrote:
Dang if there was a playoff system in College Football then Auburn would have won today. At least thats what Tuberville probably thinks.

haha ... you have to love. He should know better than to open his mouth mid season. Tigers got RAN OVER today.

10/7/06   |   Matt   |   6 respect

Dang if there was a playoff system in College Football then Auburn would have won today. At least thats what Tuberville probably thinks.

10/5/06   |   cubhawk57

CriticalFanatic wrote:
I would also personally like a 16 team playoff. But for purposes of actually having this dream come to fruition I think the 8 team is our best hope.

For the record, how would you go about selecting the at large teams. Are you a fan of the CFN approach where every conference gets a representative (MAC, WAC, Sun Belt, etc) and then just a few at large ... or just the top 16 teams as decided upon some system.

  If just the top 8 teams were involved, I think that could possibly do away with a major conferance champion being left out. Look back the past few years, the Big East didn't have a top 8 team last year. And NutUr Dame would want some type of influence also. I can see why the NCAA has kept putting something like this off, it will be a nightmare and there will be some peo'd institutions that then would want to break off and start a new affiliation called something like the American College Athletic Union. Then there'd be a big hoopla like back in the late 60's between the NFL and AFL. Actually, those were cool times. College players getting drafted by two different leagues and going to the highest bidder. Free agency before free agency.

10/5/06   |   TheDondino

CriticalFanatic wrote:
I would also personally like a 16 team playoff. But for purposes of actually having this dream come to fruition I think the 8 team is our best hope.

For the record, how would you go about selecting the at large teams. Are you a fan of the CFN approach where every conference gets a representative (MAC, WAC, Sun Belt, etc) and then just a few at large ... or just the top 16 teams as decided upon some system.

I think one thing that would have to come along with a playoff system is the elimination of a scoring system that decides the entrants.  Use a committee just like for the NCAA Tournament.

10/5/06   |   CriticalFanatic

Seth wrote:

I'd still like top 16. The conferences would want automatic bids to conference winners (that's 6) plus only 2 at larges doesn't seem like enough. There would be lots of complaining. (Not that there wouldn't be with 16 teams, but then you're taking 10 extra teams not 2, and one or two non-major teams would have a chance to prove themselves.

 

I would also personally like a 16 team playoff. But for purposes of actually having this dream come to fruition I think the 8 team is our best hope.

For the record, how would you go about selecting the at large teams. Are you a fan of the CFN approach where every conference gets a representative (MAC, WAC, Sun Belt, etc) and then just a few at large ... or just the top 16 teams as decided upon some system.

10/5/06   |   Seth   |   301 respect

Lots of people complain that there are too many bowls and that (outside their own fans) are meaningless. With a playoff, EVERY game matters, EVERY game gets tv ratings, EVERY game = $$$.

There's just problems like with removing conference championship games then those conference lose money that they generate just for themselves.

But then again, if the playoff works like the BCS bowls where most of the money goes to the conference and not the school that earns the bid then you would think conferences like the SEC where teams beat up on each other they might not want one of their top teams getting an extra loss that could keep them out of a playoff, instead they might get more at large births from their conference.

 

10/5/06   |   b00fus

Why would he want a playoff.  He is lucky to get away from South Carolina--and he sure as heck wouldn't have beat Texas last year nor USC the year before.  He is a whiner--poor pitiful Auburn!!

10/5/06   |   Seth   |   301 respect

CriticalFanatic wrote:
TBone ... you worded the first paragraph that Tuberville wanted an SEC conference playoff. That may have confused Ty.

Tuberville has a point, although I'm getting a little annoyed he only speaks up when Auburn starts out 5-0. The same case could be made by Michigan right now for instance, but you won't hear Lloyd Carr speak up anytime soon.

I don't think we need 16 teams. Just top 8 and played throughout the normal bowl season. Although the thought of a Nat'l title game the Saturday before the Super Bowl is certainly one to dream about.

I'd still like top 16. The conferences would want automatic bids to conference winners (that's 6) plus only 2 at larges doesn't seem like enough. There would be lots of complaining. (Not that there wouldn't be with 16 teams, but then you're taking 10 extra teams not 2, and one or two non-major teams would have a chance to prove themselves.

 

10/5/06   |   TheDondino

CriticalFanatic wrote:
TBone ... you worded the first paragraph that Tuberville wanted an SEC conference playoff. That may have confused Ty.

Tuberville has a point, although I'm getting a little annoyed he only speaks up when Auburn starts out 5-0. The same case could be made by Michigan right now for instance, but you won't hear Lloyd Carr speak up anytime soon.

I don't think we need 16 teams. Just top 8 and played throughout the normal bowl season. Although the thought of a Nat'l title game the Saturday before the Super Bowl is certainly one to dream about.
(Edited by TheDondino)

I think Ty knew what I was talking about.  I think he's coming from the fact that if all this money is out there...then why hasn't it already happened.  And honestly...I have no answer...there should be a football playoff...why there isn't is anyones guess.  I think there's still some trepidation about changing the status quo in such a big way.  The system we have now (BCS) isn't great...but it's far from completely useless, so I think the powers that be are a little leary about taking the college football postseason in a completely different direction.

 

As far as my proposed playoff format...I know it's over the top, but I think the NCAA, if they go to a playoff, will hold nothing back.  They have March Madness, in which for an entire month, the sporting world's eyes are firmly focused on college basketball.  Why not have the same for college football which rivals the NFL as the most watched sport in America...why not have a month long spectacle ala March Madness.  Will it ever happen, probably not, like I said at the end of my proposal...it's just a thought.

10/5/06   |   CriticalFanatic

wrote:

In basketball, all of the major conferences (except the PAC10)  instituted postseason tournaments because of the dolllars involved.  

If there is so much money to be made, then why isn't this happening? 

TBone ... you worded the first paragraph that Tuberville wanted an SEC conference playoff. That may have confused Ty.

Tuberville has a point, although I'm getting a little annoyed he only speaks up when Auburn starts out 5-0. The same case could be made by Michigan right now for instance, but you won't hear Lloyd Carr speak up anytime soon.

I don't think we need 16 teams. Just top 8 and played throughout the normal bowl season. Although the thought of a Nat'l title game the Saturday before the Super Bowl is certainly one to dream about.

10/4/06   |   TheDondino

Seth wrote:

With the current structure - 12 game season, conference championship, bowl game = 14 games for some teams.

Go back to 11 games, kill the conference champ games, add 16 game playoff. Then only the two teams that play in the title game would play 15 games. Only one more than some have right now (and its only for 2 teams). Only 2 more would play 14. 4 woul play 13 and 8 would play 12, the other 101 play 11.

It's really not that many more games. (Probably less overall)

You're exactly right...this wouldn't mean that many more games.  And as far as the season going that long...they've already moved it a full week later with the BCS title game on the 8th this year.  The one thing that could make this fly is the money...and we all know that money is what makes the NCAA move, nothing else.  Imagine the financial windfall for the bowls, the NCAA, the t.v. networks...everyone.  There's not a fan in the world that wouldn't watch every single one of those playoff games.  Even if my team isn't in the game, I'd watch because those are going to be some of the best bowl games ever.  The bowl sites would be rolling in the money as each one would host 2 games giving them 4 sets of rabid fan bases contributing millions to the local economies.  It also wouldn't  kill the existing bowl system.  The rest of the bowls continue on in the same fashion.  The only road block would be the NCAA expanding the season an extra 2 weeks from where it is right now...and if they takes Seth plan of cutting the season back to 11 games, then there's one right there....really only expanding it one week.  That's a pretty small gap to fill when all the other phases of the plan would appeal to all the parties involved.

10/4/06   |   Seth   |   301 respect

With the current structure - 12 game season, conference championship, bowl game = 14 games for some teams.

Go back to 11 games, kill the conference champ games, add 16 game playoff. Then only the two teams that play in the title game would play 15 games. Only one more than some have right now (and its only for 2 teams). Only 2 more would play 14. 4 woul play 13 and 8 would play 12, the other 101 play 11.

It's really not that many more games. (Probably less overall)

10/4/06   |   cubhawk57

TheDondino wrote:

(The annual playoff vs BCS debate begins ... now)


Tommy Tuberville, who just might be my favorite coach outside of the Big 10, took some jabs at the NCAA along with stating his case that the only way for an SEC school to become a part of the championship game would be through a playoff system.


He's probably right.  With OSU and USC at #1 and #2 in a lot of polls and the critical Harris poll, Auburn might be on the outside looking in for the second time in three years.  With 5 teams in the top 13, the SEC is loaded and is easily the best conference this year, if not most years, and the top teams will bludgeon each other before conference play is over.  I would go on a limb and say an undefeated SEC team this year would be the most deserving team for a BCS National Championship game ever, but will probably not be playing in Glendale, Arizona on January 8th.


This underscores the need for a playoff rather than a Bowl Championship Series.  We debated this on FanIQ back in June and both sides of the fence made some good arguments for and against a playoff determining the national champion.  Here's a plan I mentioned then, that would give us the greatest football weekend in the history of sports.

 

 

"Imagine this though. Don't shorten the season any, keep all the existing, smaller bowls as they are and have a 16-team playoff begin on New Year's Eve. 8 of the existing bowls (Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar, Cap One, Cotton, Gator, Outback) would be in on the new playoffs.

On New Year's Eve and New Year's Day, the Cap One, Cotton, Gator, and Outback bowls would host a first round game each day. Two games for each venue, played on the two days. The winners from each game would move on to one of the four other bowls (Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar) and play each other for Round 2.

Round 2 (one week later) would have the elite 8 playing in the four "BCS" bowls to determine the final Four.

Round 3 (semifinals, a week later) 2 of the 4 BCS bowls would host another game (this would rotate every year like the nat. champ game does now).

Championship - Another of the BCS bowls would host the National Championship game...rotated like the semifinals. The kicker here is that the timing would coincide with the week off between the NFL conference championships and the super bowl. That dead week where we have nothing to do but anticipate the Superbowl. Fill it with the National Championship game instead.

Or...even better, give the college guys an extra week of rest also and play the National Championship game the day before the Super Bowl and declare the entire weekend a national holiday. Tell your wives and kids that you'll see them on Monday and enjoy the greatest weekend of football ever.

Just a thought."

  Sounds good but would never fly. The NCAA would never allow the season to go that long. Take out the Top 16 and cut it down to the Top 8. Add the Cotton and Cap One bowls into the BCS mix then the first four games are played Christmas Day. All the bowls would rotate each year as to what game they host and the championship game would rotate the same way. Example: Sugar hosts 1 vs 8, Cotton hosts 2 vs 7, Cap One hosts 3 vs 6, Orange hosts 4 vs 5. New Years Day, the Rose hosts the winners of Sugar and Cap One Bowls, the Fiesta hosts the winners of the Cotton and Orange Bowls. One week later the championship game is played between the winners of the Rose and Fiesta. The only bad thing, ALL conferance affiliations with the bowls would go by the way side.