Barry Larkin elected to baseball Hall of Fame

Barry Larkin is a Hall of Famer, but Bagwell gets snubbed again

1/9/12 in MLB   |   Pat   |   5145 respect

After missing induction by only 75 votes last year, Barry Larkin has been elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Larkin received 86% of the votes, easily attaining the 75% necessary for induction. This was his 3rd year of eligibility.

Larkin spent his entire 19-year career with the Reds, and was one of the best shortstops in baseball for years. He finished his career with a .295 average, 2340 hits and 1329 runs. He was the 1995 NL MVP, a 12-time All Star, 9-time Silver Slugger and won 3 Gold Gloves.

The most notable snub is once again Jeff Bagwell, who finished his 15-year career with 449 HR and a .297 batting average.

Other snubs, depending on whom you ask, include TIm Raines, Lou Whitaker, Alan Tramell and Jack Morris. Personally, I don't think any of them merit discussion until Bagwell is inducted. Unfortunately, Bagwell suffers from steroid suspicion, despite the fact that he has never been linked to performance enhancing drugs and never tested positive for anything.

Some players who will appear on the ballot for the first time next year: Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa, Craig Biggio, Mike Piazza and Curt Schilling. Next year's ballot should be very telling, in terms of how the writers will consider some of the all-time greats like Clemens, who were known PED users.

What are your thoughts? Is Larkin deserving? Did Bagwell (and/or the others) get snubbed? Leave your thoughts in the comment section below.

UPDATE:
Here are the vote totals for everyone who got at least 1 vote.

Source: BBWAA



Barry Larkin elected to baseball's Hall of Fame [USA Today]
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1/11/12   |   derms33   |   17642 respect

 Also, its nice to see Brad Radke get some votes, lol, really?  Get out of here

1/11/12   |   derms33   |   17642 respect

wrote:
With the Steroid Gang coming up soon, these guys will get a better shake. Forget about votes when Maddox, Glavin, etc. come up for votes, but when Bonds, Clemens and that group are eligible, Bagwell, Morris & Raines will get the recognition they deserve!

Oh, and Derms? The Rose thing is:

 and the Steroid thing is just getting started?  btw, one of my favorite pics, used it many of times on here

1/11/12   |   derms33   |   17642 respect

The_Real_Stoney wrote:
Bagwell has never been linked to anything related to Steroids.. Wasn't mentioned in the Mitchell report, wasn't named in Canseco's book.. It's odd how just because a guy has muscles he's automatically linked to steroids..
Throw in the fact the BBWAA is made up of people who care more about things from 100 years ago and how important they themselves are to the game instead of the people who actually play it, and the Hall of Fame is becoming a joke.

 I meant he will always be LINKED to steroids...and until Pete Rose gets in, the HOF is BULL

1/10/12   |   ML31   |   3618 respect

w_g_walters wrote:
Re: #3

I'm wondering if some of the voters are waiting for Biggio so they can vote them both in at the same time.

To be honest,  I just don't see the writers giving a crap about such things...

1/10/12   |   w_g_walters   |   221 respect

Dan_B wrote:
A few thoughts:
1. Jack Morris will cakewalk in next year. Getting Bert Blyleven in last year sure helped him out.
2. Tim Raines is Lou Brock. Look at their career numbers. Same player. Get him in there.
3. Echoing above sentiments, Bagwell belongs in. Biggio will get in next year (on his first ballot) and he was consistently the second-best player on those Astros teams. 
4. I'm not even getting into the whole McGwire-belongs-in-the-hall discussion. The system is broken.

Re: #3

I'm wondering if some of the voters are waiting for Biggio so they can vote them both in at the same time.

1/10/12   |   keppieboy   |   158 respect

Dan_B wrote:
A few thoughts:
1. Jack Morris will cakewalk in next year. Getting Bert Blyleven in last year sure helped him out.
2. Tim Raines is Lou Brock. Look at their career numbers. Same player. Get him in there.
3. Echoing above sentiments, Bagwell belongs in. Biggio will get in next year (on his first ballot) and he was consistently the second-best player on those Astros teams. 
4. I'm not even getting into the whole McGwire-belongs-in-the-hall discussion. The system is broken.

 I am not sure about Morris I thought he would have got in this year. I do not see him getting in now but he should.

1/10/12   |   Scott   |   49536 respect

Dan_B wrote:
A few thoughts:
1. Jack Morris will cakewalk in next year. Getting Bert Blyleven in last year sure helped him out.
2. Tim Raines is Lou Brock. Look at their career numbers. Same player. Get him in there.
3. Echoing above sentiments, Bagwell belongs in. Biggio will get in next year (on his first ballot) and he was consistently the second-best player on those Astros teams. 
4. I'm not even getting into the whole McGwire-belongs-in-the-hall discussion. The system is broken.

Outside of the # of hits, Tim Raines' career numbers are much better then Lou Brock's.  IMO, the only reason Raines has yet to get in is because of the well documented drug use.  

1/10/12   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

You know what, enough of this Steroid Era gar-bage.  I don't care how many Mitchell Reports they have or how many Canseco books they have or anything else, unless the BBWAA is going to go hop in the Delorean and go back to the past to get conclusive proof that these guys were all on steroids then just shut up about it.  If you don't elect one player because you "think" he was using steroids or PED's then you have to not elect any of the players from the "Steroid Era" and that's just dumb.  If the pitcher was taking him, maybe he can recover faster, but he still has to get his pitches in the strike zone.  If a hitter took them, sure he's stronger and can hit more home runs, but you have to be able to HIT THE BALL to hit home runs. Enough of this foolishness. Yes there are some guys who were using, but there was no testing, so it's a wash. I'd personally like to see them get a whole new set of voters for the HOF because they've really been screwing up for years.

And speaking of snubs - Jack Morris and Tim Raines are also huge snubs in addition to Jeff Bagwell

1/9/12   |   Tiger_Pride2   |   3286 respect

Larkin was one of the best shortstops in the late 80's and early 90's. I'm glad he got in, and so will Bagwell in the future.

1/9/12   |   ML31   |   3618 respect

Eric_ wrote:
First off, congratulations to Barry Larkin for a well deserved honor.

The stacked classes coming up mean past history isn't necessarily prologue, but the way it usually works, Morris makes it next year. With the steroid controversy guys coming in droves, I can definitely see 50 or so holdouts voting for him in some sort of stand, since no group of people love moralizing quite like sportswriters. Funny, I used to generally not having a problem with who the BBWAA has put in, but lately some of their decisions have been, uh, we'll say questionable (i.e. Rice, Sutter, and probably Morris).

Bagwell's situation is still too early to tell, but he's going in the right direction. This is why I say making it one and done is dumb, even when it doesn't go the way I'd prefer it to.

Raines almost at 50%. The signs are encouraging, and hey, maybe he'll get a bump as well due to the steroid thing. (Raines was better than Brock by the way)

No one else seems to have the momentum to get elected. Trammell got a nice boost, but it's probably too little, too late.

I used to be staunchly a one-and-done guy.  But when I found myself rethinking some guys a few years later, I sort of changed my tune on that stance as well.

The steroid era guys WILL get in.  Perhaps not their first year of eligibilty or even the next...  But they will go in.  Some may need the help of the veterans committee.  Which would be the only time that panel did what it was designed for.

I still predict Bonds will be in on either his first or 2nd try.  I have heard that many writers who hate him admit they still are going to vote for him.  But I also know there are a lot of self important writers who hold grudges and won't vote for him for a year or two which is why I do not predict first ballot.

1/9/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

First off, congratulations to Barry Larkin for a well deserved honor.

The stacked classes coming up mean past history isn't necessarily prologue, but the way it usually works, Morris makes it next year. With the steroid controversy guys coming in droves, I can definitely see 50 or so holdouts voting for him in some sort of stand, since no group of people love moralizing quite like sportswriters. Funny, I used to generally not having a problem with who the BBWAA has put in, but lately some of their decisions have been, uh, we'll say questionable (i.e. Rice, Sutter, and probably Morris).

Bagwell's situation is still too early to tell, but he's going in the right direction. This is why I say making it one and done is dumb, even when it doesn't go the way I'd prefer it to.

Raines almost at 50%. The signs are encouraging, and hey, maybe he'll get a bump as well due to the steroid thing. (Raines was better than Brock by the way)

No one else seems to have the momentum to get elected. Trammell got a nice boost, but it's probably too little, too late.

1/9/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

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The BIGGEST travesty is that Tim McCarver goes in as the Ford Frick Award winner!

Well, technically the Frick and Spink Award winners aren't inductees, but still, yuck.

1/9/12   |   ML31   |   3618 respect

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I honestly, seriously wish I was, but I'm not!

You know, McCarver worked color on TV for the Giants one season.  The guy was vilified by the fans and was run out of town faster than anyone else.

1/9/12   |   ML31   |   3618 respect

If there was ever any doubt that the Frick award has nothing to do with excellence but rather longevity....   It's gone.

1/9/12   |   Dan_B   |   1066 respect

wrote:
The BIGGEST travesty is that Tim McCarver goes in as the Ford Frick Award winner!

amen to that.

1/9/12   |   ML31   |   3618 respect

wrote:
The BIGGEST travesty is that Tim McCarver goes in as the Ford Frick Award winner!

HOLY CRAP!!!!!   Please tell me this is just you being facetious again...     Please?

1/9/12   |   ML31   |   3618 respect

(Edited by ML31)

I agree about Smith.  Half of his career he pitched in the era when closers actually were called in to put out fires!  (Meaning almost always with runners on base) Coming in in the 7th or even 6th to bail out the starter and FINISHING THE GAME FROM THERE!  Not those weak a$$ 1 inning saves where they start the inning with no one on base and 2 or three run leads.  Which in my book shouldn't even be a "save".

Smith is being punished for the era he pitched in.  IMHO.

1/9/12   |   Jeff_P   |   19776 respect

w_g_walters wrote:
The only reason Bagwell didn't get in early is because he played his last years with a bum shoulder that hurt his game. People tend to remember the more recent times better than the earier, even if you're a former National League MVP. He'll get in, eventually, once the years start to mesh together in the people's minds.

What surprises me is that McGwire didn't even get 20% in his 6th year. If it weren't for he and Sosa, MLB might still be struggling right now.

YOU ARE SOOOOOOO RIGHT....say ALLLLLL you want about SOSA and MCGWIRE......but EVERYONE....and i mean EVERYONE.........watched the summer of 98....from start to finish.......THOSE 2 MEN SAVED BASEBALL..........and YES ROIDS.makes you hit the ball farther.BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO HIT A ROUND BALL WITH A ROUND BAT IN A NANO SEC..........which EXPERTS say is the single MOST DIFFICULT thing to do.......in ANY SPORT.............

1/9/12   |   ML31   |   3618 respect

(Edited by ML31)

The REAL snub was Raines.  Not Bagwell.  I'm floored that even with the extremely low standards the writers have that this guy hasn't got in yet.  Even more so that a player like Morris appears on 103 more ballots than a player like Raines.
Unfortunately this was the last year these borderline guys will have a good shot at getting in.  The next few years are cram full of sure fire Hall of Famers.  And sadly, who else is on the ballot determines who gets in more than how good the player actually is.

1/9/12   |   Jeff_P   |   19776 respect

to me..BAGWEE AND LEE SMITH ARE BIG SNUBS.......BAGWELL is ASSUMED a steroid user even tho his name never really was involved.....and  LEE SMITH shouldve been in years ago..when HE WAS the saves leader.......NOWADAYS.they hand out saves like HALLOWEEN candy......SMITH ACTUALLY pitched to more than 2-3 batters for his saves.......ITS A BIG JOKE................

1/9/12   |   ML31   |   3618 respect

The_Real_Stoney wrote:
Bagwell has never been linked to anything related to Steroids.. Wasn't mentioned in the Mitchell report, wasn't named in Canseco's book.. It's odd how just because a guy has muscles he's automatically linked to steroids..
Throw in the fact the BBWAA is made up of people who care more about things from 100 years ago and how important they themselves are to the game instead of the people who actually play it, and the Hall of Fame is becoming a joke.

"Becoming"?

1/9/12   |   w_g_walters   |   221 respect

The only reason Bagwell didn't get in early is because he played his last years with a bum shoulder that hurt his game. People tend to remember the more recent times better than the earier, even if you're a former National League MVP. He'll get in, eventually, once the years start to mesh together in the people's minds.

What surprises me is that McGwire didn't even get 20% in his 6th year. If it weren't for he and Sosa, MLB might still be struggling right now.

1/9/12   |   Dan_B   |   1066 respect

A few thoughts:
1. Jack Morris will cakewalk in next year. Getting Bert Blyleven in last year sure helped him out.
2. Tim Raines is Lou Brock. Look at their career numbers. Same player. Get him in there.
3. Echoing above sentiments, Bagwell belongs in. Biggio will get in next year (on his first ballot) and he was consistently the second-best player on those Astros teams. 
4. I'm not even getting into the whole McGwire-belongs-in-the-hall discussion. The system is broken.

1/9/12   |   The_Real_Stoney   |   24056 respect

Bagwell has never been linked to anything related to Steroids.. Wasn't mentioned in the Mitchell report, wasn't named in Canseco's book.. It's odd how just because a guy has muscles he's automatically linked to steroids..
Throw in the fact the BBWAA is made up of people who care more about things from 100 years ago and how important they themselves are to the game instead of the people who actually play it, and the Hall of Fame is becoming a joke.

1/9/12   |   derms33   |   17642 respect

 Bagwell---Steroids....gonna be "snubbed" for awhile.  Speaking of SNUBBED, Did Pete Rose get in yet?  haha