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1/6/09
Because Of Don Sanderson's Death, The Issue Of Fighting In Hockey Is Big Again
Should We Ban Fighting In Hockey? Something Has To Be Done, That's For Sure
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Fighting should be banned in hockey.

You’d have to hold a gun to my head before I ever said that and actually meant it. Seriously, I don’t know where to even start on this one.

If you haven’t heard, the talks of banning fighting in the NHL are more prevalent than ever right now after the death of Don Sanderson. Sanderson was just 21 years old when he tragically died last week from a direct result of a fight in his senior amateur hockey game in Canada.

On December 12th, Sanderson, who played for the Whitby Dunlops, got into a fight with one of his opponents. His helmet fell off during the fight and his head eventually hit the ice, sending him into a coma for the next three weeks before passing away. Sanderson is the first ever reported player to have died directly from a hockey fight and my condolences go out to his family.

But while this occurred in a Major League Senior AAA Hockey Game in Ontario, the NHL, which is the highest level of hockey in the world, is receiving the most criticism and pressure to change their rules and ban fighting.

There is absolutely no way fighting should ever be banned in the NHL. Not only is it part of the game, not only is it tradition, it’s a way for the players to keep the game in check. Fans go to the games to see fights and there are even players in the NHL that only have a job because they are tough enforcers and fighters put out there to protect the guys that make the game so exciting, the most skilled players in the world.

If fighting were taken out of the game, cheap shots would become more abundant. You can’t sit there and tell me that players should just respect each other more and then nothing would ever happen. It’s human nature. We don’t always like everybody and in hockey, there’s a way to deal with that.

In 1996, Claude Lemieux pulled off a move that was called the 10th dirtiest play in NHL history by ESPN’s David Amber. He hit Kris Draper from behind, sending his face into the top of the boards. Draper suffered multiple injuries and had reconstructive surgery on his face. Lemieux’s punishment? He had the complete and utter crap beat out of him by Darren McCarty. Twice.

We fast forward to 2007 and see Chris Neil skate by and knock out Chris Drury on a dirty elbow to the face. What ensued? Only some of the best fights we’ve seen in a while. Neil’s punishment? He was forced to fight immediately following the play. Many more Ottawa Senators paid the price as well as the Buffalo Sabres were out there to send a message, one verbalized by their coach, Lindy Ruff, “Don’t go after our f***ing captain again.”



Without fighting, there is no fear put into players for their actions. You can suspend a guy all you want, but do you really think someone like Chris Simon learned from his multiple offenses and suspensions? Not as much as he would have liked you to think. If fighting were banned, cheap shots would just be returned with more cheap shots. Because honestly, how often can in a game can a player purposely target and punish another player by lining him up and legally lowering a bone crushing hit? Not very. Fighting settles this in an instant.

Now, with all that aside, I would be an idiot to sit here and tell you that nothing should be done. If nothing is done, Don Sanderson died in vain. Yes, this is only the first reported injury due to fighting, but the NHL didn’t do nothing when a fan, Brittanie Cecil, died in Columbus in 2002 when a puck hit her in the head. The NHL put up nets, addressing the issue. I attended a college game at the Palace of Auburn Hills last year, four years after the NHL instituted the net around the rink. Since the Palace isn’t normally home to any hockey team, there are no nets. It was unbelievably scary watching the pucks fly out of the rink.

My point is that while it was an immediate response during the offseason to a tragic incident, it was a good one. The fighting issue is one that needs to be looked at in the offseason. We cannot swiftly move into action and get rid of it right here, right now, because of one incident.

Personally, I agree completely with Pierre McGuire on what to do. Two committees need to be formed during the offseason, one to look at the issue of fighting and another to look at hits to the head. Don Cherry addressed the issue of how tightly helmets are strapped on and that needs to be looked at.

There is even an NHL rule, rule 47.6, which could eventually lead to another death.

“If a player penalized as an instigator of an altercation is wearing a face shield (including a goalkeeper), he shall be assessed an additional unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.”

While this rule is strictly there to make it a fight fair and protect the hands of the fighters, it clearly leaves room open for an incident like Don Sanderson’s to happen again.

The thing is, hockey is a dangerous sport. We can’t start banning everything that can lead to injury or death, or else we would be playing in shoes with a tennis ball using foam sticks. Whatever the NHL does, they need to get the input from every single one of their players. Those are the guys involved in the fights and they play the game. It’s important that they have a say in what is to be done.

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1/6/09
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Great write up!

1/6/09
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Great write up!

1/6/09
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I totally agree that the fighting needs to stop, and agree with the guidelines Pierre McGuire is trying to set down.  It is just most unfortunate that a young man in his prime  died as a result of the fighting that goes on in this  sport.... and i'm sure there are other sports as well that could benefit from some of the same thoughtful giudelines.

1/6/09
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 I disagree with the statement "Without fighting, there is no fear put into players for their actions."  5 an 6 Figure fines would scare even Tie Domi & Bob Probert.

1/6/09
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Obviously you guys never played a real hockey game or you would never want to ban it. do you realize the stick work that will happen without fighting ask any ex player like myself and they will tell you even if they are not a physical player fighting is a HUGE part of the game.

1/6/09
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While I agree with your feelings that there is no reason someone should die playing a game, I disagree with removing fighting from hockey.  Should we ban 2-a-day workouts in the summer heat because guys die pretty much every year in NFL, college, and high school camps?  Should we restrict auto races to 80 mph because people die racing cars?  I feel bad that someone died in a hockey fight, but I think completely removing fighting from the game is a knee jerk reaction and is the wrong answer.  If you have never played, you don't understand the reason for fighting....

1/6/09
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Personally, I'm not a fan of hockey fights. I love hockey for the skill, speed, and other aspects. That being said, I also know hockey is self-policing. Meaning, if you do something to one of the other team's skill players, that team's enforcer is coming after you. Or, your team's enforcer will have to protect you. Without that fear, player's would slash and spear and cross-check each other like crazy. And no, the refs can't see everything. I suppose you could let linesmen call penalties to increase that, but you can't completely stop it.

Having said that, fighting is a part of the game, but it doesn't have to lead to serious injuries and even death. There currently is a rule that if there is a visor on the helmet, the helmet must be removed during a fight. Surely, there must be a way to design the helmet so the visor can just pull off easily. Yes, hands will be broken on helmets, but that's a lot better than a head cracked against the ice.

1/6/09
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This is a great write up I agree also howeva... I think people who haven't played sports don't understand that everything someone does in a sport is pretty much a chance to hurt or even kill someone.  Football someone gets fined and maybe a couple game supension... basketball how many times has someone busted a nose or busted an eye/eye socket due to elbows that players wave around wildly leading to concussions... baseball do I really even need to say something there?  The difference is in hockey u pretty much have a weapon/tool in ur hand that can be used worse.  I would venture to say that I'd rather catch something of a big hit or hit in the back with a baseball versus someone slashing me, cross checking me into the boards, or riding me low into the boards.  If Domi Probert Pronger McCarty McSorely Brashear weren't allowed to be punishing and do what they do on the ice I think things would get out of hand.  So what someone catches a fine or a supension but when they do something dirty u know there will be retaliation.

1/6/09
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Nice article, and the NHL like any pro sport should always look at ways to improve the game, all those guys in suits need something to do in the front office, but you can't let events that happen in amature canadian games or other obscure games around the world have to much affect on the greatest hockey league in the world.  It would be similar to an injury in a high school or college football game affecting the rules of the NFL, it's to hypersensitive, and not practicle.


1/6/09
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azcardsfan wrote:
Obviously you guys never played a real hockey game or you would never want to ban it. do you realize the stick work that will happen without fighting ask any ex player like myself and they will tell you even if they are not a physical player fighting is a HUGE part of the game.
You shouldn't speak for others since I was a player for years (partially for a boys team before we had girls leagues) and I have to agree. It's not like I am advocating the banning of it. I agree it is a huge part of the game and I love a fight more than anyone. But, like life itself, you must adapt to the times. Whether it be steroid use, our grossly violent culture or whatever the reason, the fighting has gotten deadly. It isn't like the old days where you threw a few punches and went about your game. They go for blood now. I blame players themselves, the coaches and the trainers. The players need to be in control of their emotions and the coaches and trainers need to be on the lookout for aggressive behavior. But it doesn't seem like the situation is being controlled at all so banning is the next step. It's not like a UFC fight where you go in expecting to get your ass beat. These guys go on the ice expecting to play hockey then they next thing they know, they are in a coma. It's a classic case of a few ruining it for all.

1/6/09
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Fighting is part of the NHL..period.

1/6/09
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Great writing! I don't think fighting should be banned in hockey, but I believe something has to be done with the helmets to prevent someone cracking their skull on the ice.  Now going to a different sport, I wish NASCAR would stop being so anal and allow boys to be boys.  I would love to see Kevin and Carl go at it without being severely punished. I bet NASCAR would definitely attract more fan! LOL

1/6/09
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I think fighting is a huge part of the game as well.  I think they need to look at a way to keep those helmets on.  They shouldn't come of so easily.  The equipment that they wear is what protects them from the ice...it's not the fighting that kills or hurts them..its when the helmets come off that it becomes a serious issue.  So lets focus on improving the helmets!

1/6/09
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Why ban fighting? Most people who go to watch a hockey game are looking foward for a fight. It's the thrill of the game. What the hell is wrong with you?

1/6/09
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A fantastic article that make you think about long and hard.

1/6/09
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You ban fighting there is going to be more injuries due to stick work. Fighting is a way for players to police the game, it makes cheap shot artisits responsible for their actions, it takes away players using their sticks other than what its intended for. Anyone who says they go to a hockey game in hope a fight breaks out is ignorant of the game and does not appreciate the greatness of the sport


1/6/09
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djjfrench wrote:
This is a great write up I agree also howeva... I think people who haven't played sports don't understand that everything someone does in a sport is pretty much a chance to hurt or even kill someone.  Football someone gets fined and maybe a couple game supension... basketball how many times has someone busted a nose or busted an eye/eye socket due to elbows that players wave around wildly leading to concussions... baseball do I really even need to say something there?  The difference is in hockey u pretty much have a weapon/tool in ur hand that can be used worse.  I would venture to say that I'd rather catch something of a big hit or hit in the back with a baseball versus someone slashing me, cross checking me into the boards, or riding me low into the boards.  If Domi Probert Pronger McCarty McSorely Brashear weren't allowed to be punishing and do what they do on the ice I think things would get out of hand.  So what someone catches a fine or a supension but when they do something dirty u know there will be retaliation.
Good points...i didn't think of that when i posted previously.  Bad things can happen even when precautions are taken. So i accept this as true.

1/6/09
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gobigblue1960 wrote:
Fighting is part of the NHL..period.
Agreed!    


1/6/09
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Here is the thing...  People speak about how fighting keeps the cheap shots down.  I have a hard time with that.  There is still plenty of fighting and cheap shots still happen all the time. 

I hate to say this but it seems like many players need to grow a pair and take a good hit like a man.  Too many are confusing good hard hits for "dirty hits" that require an "answer" in the form of fisticuffs. 

This is why I think the fighting thing in the NHL needs to at least be reassessed.

I do not buy that fighting is "a part of the game".  That is hogwash that only fighting proponents claim.  The reason I say this is because fighting is prevalent in North American pro leagues.  And nowhere else.  We don't see it in high school or other form youth hockey.  We don't see it on frozen ponds, and we certainly don't see it in the Euro pro leagues.  Those other Leagues don't seem to have reputations as havens for cheap hits.  The reason is because the game is policed better there.  Let the players play hockey and let the refs police the game.  If  both groups do that job, and here is the key word, PROPERLY, there would be no need for the fights.

PS... How many fights were there in the World Juniors?  Is it REALLY a part of the game?

1/6/09
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You know, I think you may be right.  The big bone crunching hits seem to be rare.  These days the biggest hits are often ones where the boards absorb the hit more than the player.

I've seen this year some Shark players who took offense at what I felt watching on TV was a good hard check.  I think the players need to ask themselves, was the hit really a cheap shot or are they just embarrassed they got hammered in front of their fans and teammates?

If you get checked hard, check them back later in the game.  Don't drop your gloves.


1/6/09
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(Edited by Keeter)
There had been a few baseball players killed by being hit by fastballs; should the MLB outlaw fastballs ?

Every contact sport, heck every sport, has a chance of an injury, and injuries can be serious.    Add in the element of the 'game field' (in this case, ice) and that only adds to the potential of a serious injury.     But, this could happen in any sport.     Someone could be on a breakaway dunk, hit from behind, and they could crash down on the back of their head and the same thing could happen.    I've seen a fan get hit in teh head & face by a stray golf ball shot - I'm surprised more fans attending PGA events don't get more seriously hurt.    It's terribly unfortunate, but could happen in about any sport.

My condolences to go out to the family.

1/6/09
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Keeter wrote:
There had been a few baseball players killed by being hit by fastballs; should the MLB outlaw fastballs ?

Every contact sport, heck every sport, has a chance of an injury, and injuries can be serious.    Add in the element of the 'game field' (in this case, ice) and that only adds to the potential of a serious injury.     But, this could happen in any sport.     Someone could be on a breakaway dunk, hit from behind, and they could crash down on the back of their head and the same thing could happen.    I've seen a fan get hit in teh head & face by a stray golf ball shot - I'm surprised more fans attending PGA events don't get more seriously hurt.    It's terribly unfortunate, but could happen in about any sport.

My condolences to go out to the family.
I do believe that Cleveland's Ray Chapman is the only major leaguer to die from actions on a baseball field.  He was hit in the head in 1920 and died later in a hospital from that injury.

Remember, this was also from the days long before batting helmets.

1/6/09
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chicachericola wrote:
You shouldn't speak for others since I was a player for years (partially for a boys team before we had girls leagues) and I have to agree. It's not like I am advocating the banning of it. I agree it is a huge part of the game and I love a fight more than anyone. But, like life itself, you must adapt to the times. Whether it be steroid use, our grossly violent culture or whatever the reason, the fighting has gotten deadly. It isn't like the old days where you threw a few punches and went about your game. They go for blood now. I blame players themselves, the coaches and the trainers. The players need to be in control of their emotions and the coaches and trainers need to be on the lookout for aggressive behavior. But it doesn't seem like the situation is being controlled at all so banning is the next step. It's not like a UFC fight where you go in expecting to get your ass beat. These guys go on the ice expecting to play hockey then they next thing they know, they are in a coma. It's a classic case of a few ruining it for all.
What are you crazy the fighters respect each other man than anybody, after the games if you do not fly out right away you have a drink with that guy, everybody once in awhile gets a little out of hand not just in hockey but in life, but you should speak for yourself because 90% of hockey fight are between the teams tough guys, there is a code in the NHL and its been like that for awhile.

1/6/09
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Cmon ML your better than that the. most of the time when a player gets rocked he has no problem with it, ITS WHEN YOU ROCK YOUR SUPERSTAR THEN YOUR PLAYERS STAND UP FOR YOU AND THATS ONLY NATURAL. why do you think Gretz has Semenko.

1/6/09
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azcardsfan wrote:
Cmon ML your better than that the. most of the time when a player gets rocked he has no problem with it, ITS WHEN YOU ROCK YOUR SUPERSTAR THEN YOUR PLAYERS STAND UP FOR YOU AND THATS ONLY NATURAL. why do you think Gretz has Semenko.
That seems to be the case less and less these days. 

I know Gretzky had his bodyguards.  Most of the star players did.  I always felt it was a sad sad comment on the game that the skill players had to have thugs out there to protect them.

1/6/09
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Could the changes in hockey (the hits and fights) be due to age??
I read alot about players from way back in the day and they seemed to be older and more mature.  These days the players are so young.   I could be wrong here, just food for thought.

1/6/09
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Good point.  You are just full of knowledge for a young person....and an excellect writer!

1/6/09
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I agree with you 100%. Although the fights are one of the best things to watch at a game, it shouldn't be banned,but they do need to figure something out,so this doesn't happen again. Every sport can be dangerous,hockey is the most dangerous. I ' ve seen some bad hits that could have seriously injured a player,but the other team got no penalties out of it. They need to sit down when the season is over and figure out what to.
 
Europeans are not used to fighting,they are taught not to fight, at least the ones in the OHL. The other guys know it and take advantage of it,and keep hitting them,until they had enough,& then they throw punches. I've seen it happen a couple yrs ago.

1/6/09
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Rootman54, Good Article but the one thing you have forgotten to say is when hockey fights happen both player agree to fight and they know of the danger of fighting in hockey. I saw Don Sanderson play in the league he played in Ontario, Which by the way is Major League Hockey.  Here's my question to hockey fans out there If you ran the NHL or any hockey league World wide would you make a rule up stating the following (ANY PLAYER/S INVOLVED IN A FIGHT SHALL BE THROWN OUT OF A GAME AND THE PLAYER WHO STARTS THE FIGHT IS SUSPEND FOR 1 GAME AND YOU RAISE THE LENGTH OF THE SUSPENSION FOR EACH FIGHT AFTER THAT. Now Rootman I did read your item but have you ever played the game

1/6/09
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littleice2 wrote:
Rootman54, Good Article but the one thing you have forgotten to say is when hockey fights happen both player agree to fight and they know of the danger of fighting in hockey. I saw Don Sanderson play in the league he played in Ontario, Which by the way is Major League Hockey.  Here's my question to hockey fans out there If you ran the NHL or any hockey league World wide would you make a rule up stating the following (ANY PLAYER/S INVOLVED IN A FIGHT SHALL BE THROWN OUT OF A GAME AND THE PLAYER WHO STARTS THE FIGHT IS SUSPEND FOR 1 GAME AND YOU RAISE THE LENGTH OF THE SUSPENSION FOR EACH FIGHT AFTER THAT. Now Rootman I did read your item but have you ever played the game
I would be all for that rule.  Hell, I would amend the rule to say if you lose throw down your gloves on the ice with obvious intent to fight, you are gone and fined.

1/6/09
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Look, all you so-called hockey purists will hate this comment, but it is the God's honest truth.  As long as fighting is tolerated and part of the hockey lifestyle, it will never, and I mean NEVER grow to be bigger than a minor cult sport in the USA.  The fights are what non-hockey people mock about hockey.  If the fights were removed, the sport has a chance to grow and be more popular.  Maybe you will find more games on national TV outlets like NBC and ESPN.  I know hockey people would like the game to grow and be more popular.  But to achieve that end, you have to lose an element you think is a "part of the game".  There are a lot of hockey fans who love the fights.  Sure.  But the cold hard fact is that the fights are keeping people away more than they are bringing them in.

1/6/09
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You can't just 'ban' fighting from hockey. You cannot change the culture of something so quickly. Let's start slow, how about checking out the equipment - such as ensuring the helmets (chinstraps) stay on, similarily as to how jerseys must remain attached. Helmet comes off and you have a Major. Mr. Sanderson would not have passed if his head was protected upon impact. Secondly, hit them where it hurts - institute fines and increased PIMs to the player and offending (or defending) team.  I agree, eventually fighting must become a rarity, but ya ain't gonna do it tomorrow. Your move NHL.

1/6/09
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sdm wrote:
You can't just 'ban' fighting from hockey. You cannot change the culture of something so quickly. Let's start slow, how about checking out the equipment - such as ensuring the helmets (chinstraps) stay on, similarily as to how jerseys must remain attached. Helmet comes off and you have a Major. Mr. Sanderson would not have passed if his head was protected upon impact. Secondly, hit them where it hurts - institute fines and increased PIMs to the player and offending (or defending) team.  I agree, eventually fighting must become a rarity, but ya ain't gonna do it tomorrow. Your move NHL.
Of course.  The thing that will hurt the players the most is fines and playing time.  Once they see that they will get hit in the wallet and have their playing time removed, watch how fast fighting is no longer part of the culture.

1/6/09
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OK.  I just saw something that might suggest why "fighting" is down in the NHL today.  In this evenings Sharks-Flames game, Roy came out of the penalty box and went RIGHT for Seminov.  Seminov knew blows were coming so he drops his gloves, Roy drops his gloves and they start pounding on each other.  When it is over, the refs and linesmen escort both men to the penalty box.  One would think they would be getting 5 minutes for fighting.  Not so fast.  The refs didn't think that was fight!  Both players were given 2 minutes for "roughing". 

Fighting might be down because officially they aren't fighting!

1/7/09
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Yeah there are a lot more Euro skill guys coming over but still there's some big menz that come over and get it done too.

1/7/09
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ML31 wrote:
Look, all you so-called hockey purists will hate this comment, but it is the God's honest truth.  As long as fighting is tolerated and part of the hockey lifestyle, it will never, and I mean NEVER grow to be bigger than a minor cult sport in the USA.  The fights are what non-hockey people mock about hockey.  If the fights were removed, the sport has a chance to grow and be more popular.  Maybe you will find more games on national TV outlets like NBC and ESPN.  I know hockey people would like the game to grow and be more popular.  But to achieve that end, you have to lose an element you think is a "part of the game".  There are a lot of hockey fans who love the fights.  Sure.  But the cold hard fact is that the fights are keeping people away more than they are bringing them in.
Hey ML I always value your opinion but we are not in agreement with this one. and I could be wrong but I would love to have a nationwide poll on should hockey ban fighting but only sports fans in general. and they do not have to be hockey purists and I am willing to put my house on they vote NOTTO REMOVE FIGHTING. just my thinking

1/7/09
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azcardsfan wrote:
Hey ML I always value your opinion but we are not in agreement with this one. and I could be wrong but I would love to have a nationwide poll on should hockey ban fighting but only sports fans in general. and they do not have to be hockey purists and I am willing to put my house on they vote NOTTO REMOVE FIGHTING. just my thinking
You may be right, but I think it depends on how one words the question.  For example, there are a lot of football cheering, nascar loving southerners who have only seen ice in their drinks who would say sure, leave the fights in.  That doesn't mean they will start to take notice of hockey or even consider it a "legitimate" sport.  Non sports fans would be a better gauge.  Those are folks who would be more likely to enter the fray if they discovered the greatness of hockey.   It is the non sports fan who drives up the ratings for televised events.  The hard core guys will watch no matter what.  It's the fringe folk that the NHL needs to win over.  And I can promise you that as long as the NHL has the reputation of boxing on ice (which I will admit is not as bad as it was a couple of decades ago, but it STILL exists and is a hard reputation to shake) it will never grow bigger than it is.

1/7/09
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ML31 wrote:
You may be right, but I think it depends on how one words the question.  For example, there are a lot of football cheering, nascar loving southerners who have only seen ice in their drinks who would say sure, leave the fights in.  That doesn't mean they will start to take notice of hockey or even consider it a "legitimate" sport.  Non sports fans would be a better gauge.  Those are folks who would be more likely to enter the fray if they discovered the greatness of hockey.   It is the non sports fan who drives up the ratings for televised events.  The hard core guys will watch no matter what.  It's the fringe folk that the NHL needs to win over.  And I can promise you that as long as the NHL has the reputation of boxing on ice (which I will admit is not as bad as it was a couple of decades ago, but it STILL exists and is a hard reputation to shake) it will never grow bigger than it is.
Love you to death kid but STILL disagree.

1/8/09
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ML31 wrote:
Look, all you so-called hockey purists will hate this comment, but it is the God's honest truth.  As long as fighting is tolerated and part of the hockey lifestyle, it will never, and I mean NEVER grow to be bigger than a minor cult sport in the USA.  The fights are what non-hockey people mock about hockey.  If the fights were removed, the sport has a chance to grow and be more popular.  Maybe you will find more games on national TV outlets like NBC and ESPN.  I know hockey people would like the game to grow and be more popular.  But to achieve that end, you have to lose an element you think is a "part of the game".  There are a lot of hockey fans who love the fights.  Sure.  But the cold hard fact is that the fights are keeping people away more than they are bringing them in.
As much as I am a fan of hockey and think that fighting should not be removed, I do agree that if fighting was abolished it would help the NHL regain its traction that it lost with the lockout. My biggest gripe about the NHL is it isnt on ESPN. But its not a great sport for TV, and I think that has as much to do with the NFL not being a major sport anymore

1/8/09
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(Edited by ML31)
danny_n94 wrote:
As much as I am a fan of hockey and think that fighting should not be removed, I do agree that if fighting was abolished it would help the NHL regain its traction that it lost with the lockout. My biggest gripe about the NHL is it isnt on ESPN. But its not a great sport for TV, and I think that has as much to do with the NFL not being a major sport anymore
I don't think hockey lost much if at all from the lockout.  Quite honestly, it didn't have anything to lose.  The fact that it is not on ESPN anymore is part of the issue.  They didn't want to spend money on an event that doesn't get the ratings a poker game got.  And they could air poker for considerably less money.  No one watches because it does not have a broad appeal.  Hockey people refuse to accept this, but the reputation of being nothing but goons on ice is a hard one to shake.  That reputation is a HUGE factor for why people don't take the game seriously.  To sports people who do not give hockey a chance (and there are a LOT of them) a hockey game is a clownish affair BECAUSE they tolerate the fisticuffs.

The last thing...  Sports don't get more major than the NFL.  Their ratings have gone down like everything else on the TV.  But they haven't dripped like baseball and basketball's ratings have.  Which have dropped at a pace beyond everything else.  To most sports people, the NFL is still appointment TV.

1/8/09
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Yea Football will always be huge. 1. its once a week. and 2 the gambling factor plus huge money office pools, I am in a weekly pool that the winner takes home between 4400 hundred and 5gs honestly.

1/8/09
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azcardsfan wrote:
Yea Football will always be huge. 1. its once a week. and 2 the gambling factor plus huge money office pools, I am in a weekly pool that the winner takes home between 4400 hundred and 5gs honestly.
There was a local sports radio host here who said something that I believe to be 100% true.

If somehow, all wagering on the NFL could magically be taken away, the popularity of the NFL would drop by 40%.

The NFL has always poo-pooed gambling on their game.  Yet it is gambling that helps keep them the #1 sport in this country.

1/8/09
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ML31 wrote:
There was a local sports radio host here who said something that I believe to be 100% true.

If somehow, all wagering on the NFL could magically be taken away, the popularity of the NFL would drop by 40%.

The NFL has always poo-pooed gambling on their game.  Yet it is gambling that helps keep them the #1 sport in this country.

Absolutely without gambling their ratings would drop drastically, Gambling is its lifeline. nowadays fantasy don't hurt.


1/9/09
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Well how would you punish the players involved in a fight if you ran the NHL

1/9/09
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ML31 wrote:
I would be all for that rule.  Hell, I would amend the rule to say if you lose throw down your gloves on the ice with obvious intent to fight, you are gone and fined.

But how long would you suspend the players and how big would you make the fine, Because let's not forget about the CBA . Here's just an idea for the amount of a fine if the NHL was to ban fighting . Drop your gloves with another player to fight but you don't throw any punches -$500.00 1st time , each time after that the fine goes up $500.00 each time. And if you are involved in a fight here's how I would do the fines !st time -$ 1'500.00 and each time after that the fine doubles. Plus if you are the one who starts the fight by that I mean the instagator you should get a fine of  $1'000.00 for the 1st fight and the fine doubles for each fight after that .


1/9/09
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littleice2 wrote:

But how long would you suspend the players and how big would you make the fine, Because let's not forget about the CBA . Here's just an idea for the amount of a fine if the NHL was to ban fighting . Drop your gloves with another player to fight but you don't throw any punches -$500.00 1st time , each time after that the fine goes up $500.00 each time. And if you are involved in a fight here's how I would do the fines !st time -$ 1'500.00 and each time after that the fine doubles. Plus if you are the one who starts the fight by that I mean the instagator you should get a fine of  $1'000.00 for the 1st fight and the fine doubles for each fight after that .

Sounds OK to me.  The suspension should keep going up too.

If gloves come off but no punches are thrown, suspended for the rest of the game.  If punches are thrown, then add the next game to the suspension.  2nd offense, then next two games.  3rd offense, 4 games.  4th offense, 8 games...  etc.

1/9/09
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i am sorry for this family's loss but as with every sport there are rules and precautions one must follow to be part of the sport.every sport has dangers that come with it whether the dangers are big or small.

1/10/09
1
Guys give it a break fighting is and always will be a major part of the game. Ok here is another example Thurs night I was at the Bruins game and the B's were dominating Ottawa 2-0 and then Shawn Thorton & Chris Neil danced well what did that do it woke up Ottawa who came back to and pretty much dominate Boston (but eventually B's won) also just for you guys who REALLY do not understand the CODE OF HOCKEY before the game in pre game skate  Neil & Thorton were having a conversation laughing and then shook hands and skated off. moral of story they both know their job its part of the game. SO LET IT GO.

1/10/09
1
azcardsfan wrote:
Guys give it a break fighting is and always will be a major part of the game. Ok here is another example Thurs night I was at the Bruins game and the B's were dominating Ottawa 2-0 and then Shawn Thorton & Chris Neil danced well what did that do it woke up Ottawa who came back to and pretty much dominate Boston (but eventually B's won) also just for you guys who REALLY do not understand the CODE OF HOCKEY before the game in pre game skate  Neil & Thorton were having a conversation laughing and then shook hands and skated off. moral of story they both know their job its part of the game. SO LET IT GO.
That doesn't justify it.  All it does is keep the sport from becoming mainstream.  Sports fans who do not give hockey a chance mock the fights.  Sportscasters who don't know any better make fun of the game by showing fights on their broadcasts.  (There were at least two here in the Bay Area who did it on a consistent bases before the Sharks arrived)  You may love it.  It may be part of some archaic "code", but it is holding the sport back.  Not only that, but this "code" seems to only exist in the N American Pro Leagues.   If players need a fight to get energized they need to take a deep look at themselves.  I ask again, how much fighting took place during the recently completed World Junior tournament?  Please don't tell me "it's part of the game".  That is utter hogwash.

1/11/09
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good point about world Juniors those were great games.


1/12/09
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I think more people have died from inadvertent pucks flying into the stands than from players fighting

1/12/09
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Well written.  That video is a great example of what makes hockey great.  People die in every sport.  Accidents happen.  They can't take fighting out of hockey.  What would be next?  Touch football?  70mph speed limit in NASCAR?  No play at the plate?  Basketball...uh unchanged?

1/12/09
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(Edited by nyrangers)
ML31 wrote:
OK.  I just saw something that might suggest why "fighting" is down in the NHL today.  In this evenings Sharks-Flames game, Roy came out of the penalty box and went RIGHT for Seminov.  Seminov knew blows were coming so he drops his gloves, Roy drops his gloves and they start pounding on each other.  When it is over, the refs and linesmen escort both men to the penalty box.  One would think they would be getting 5 minutes for fighting.  Not so fast.  The refs didn't think that was fight!  Both players were given 2 minutes for "roughing". 

Fighting might be down because officially they aren't fighting!
Actually, fighting is at its highest since around 1994. The amount of fighting majors assesed per game has increased from less than one per game (meaning one fight every two games) since right after the lockout and has gradually increased to about one-and-a-half fighting majors per game (two fights every three games) this season, currently.

I know I've already had this argument before on this site and it doesn't go anywhere so I'll just stay out of it.

Oh, good article Steve, I pretty much agree with you, as usual

1/12/09
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nyrangers wrote:
Actually, fighting is at its highest since around 1994. The amount of fighting majors assesed per game has increased from less than one per game (meaning one fight every two games) since right after the lockout and has gradually increased to about one-and-a-half fighting majors per game (two fights every three games) this season, currently.

I know I've already had this argument before on this site and it doesn't go anywhere so I'll just stay out of it.

Oh, good article Steve, I pretty much agree with you, as usual
I mention it because I've seed some posts speaking of how fighting has gone down in the NHL recently.  But I have not seen any numbers to back it up.  Mostly I used the comment as an avenue to point out the absurd penalty call.

5/4/09
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this is bullocks.

 
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