Just like the previous 3 or 4 games The Steelers offensive line HAS BEEN EXPOSED. Big Ben like any other quarterback will pick you apart with time to throw. But with a big pass rush coming at him and these things will stay in his head he is proving that the line needs help. ITS TIME FOR AN UPGRADED.

Apparently Pat isn't that knowledgeable about football. Ben is one of the top 3 QB's in the league. The last interception thrown, if you watch the replay, Holmes started across the middle and then almost stopped. Ben was throwing to where Holmes should have been. That's not on the QB. Ben also won the Super Bowl in his second season, not his first. His first season they lost to the Pat's in the AFC title game. He has a 45-19 and has been in the top5 in qb rating 3 of his first 4 years. Fan or not, that means he does more good than bad.

Yeah... you're probably right. I'm a total idiot.

The Steelers' Super Bowl run came in Roethlisberger's first full season as a starter. Perhaps I should have clarified, but it seemed obvious enough to everyone else.

As for the 3rd pick... that's nice, but what about the other two? The fact of the matter is that Ben Roethlisberger is NOT one of the top 3 QB's in the league. He's not even close. Brady (when healthy), both Mannings, McNabb, Brees, Romo, Cutler, Rivers... Hell, Kurt Warner is a better QB than Big Ben.

Stop being delusional and making excuses for your awful QB. Move on, and maybe someday you'll have a QB that won't play to lose.

p.s. No PLAYER has a win-loss record, period. Wins and losses are a team stat. For example, Big Ben put up one of the worst Super Bowl performances ever, and his team still won. Does Ben deserve a "win" for that? Of course not. Because it was his TEAM, not him, who got the victory.

This game, however, could be chalked up as a loss for Big Ben. If he had sucked ANY less, they could have won.

 man...if ben is one of the 3 top qbs in the league...then im wondering how come the guy cant and has not gotten me any points on my fantasy team....i finally benched his overpaid....broken down self and put in matt shaub...and thank god i did....ben is done...they need to pull the man out and let him heal before he drags that steeler team into the basement and out of the playoffs....they will do fine without him for a few weeks.....but had to laugh and then comment about ben being one of the top 3 in the league...thanks for that comment...i was havin a slow start to my day,but that made of us here at work get a good laugh!!!!!!!

I think the article was a bit excessive, but I do agree with the post to an extent.  The team has the best defense in the NFL, aside from the Philly game the offense has played good enough to win.  Aside from the stupid throws Ben makes, or holding on to the ball for too long this team should be 8-1.  

I do agree with the one reply that the O line is god awful.  The Steelers couldn't even run the ball on the 25h ranked rush defense.  That interception at the end of the first half was one of the more moronic throws I have seen Ben make.  That one really hurt since the Colts had the ball on the 30 and punched in an easy TD, then got the ball right back.  If he's hurt then he should sit, I was at the MNF game last week, Leftwich came in cold off of the bench and moved the team down the field.  I still think Ben can be a great QB, but if he's hurt he needs to sit and heal.  

It could be worse, the Browns who were supposed to be a top team in the AFC are 3-6 and their top players are accusing their team of quitting last week to the Broncos.   

I think the problem is many players don't want to admit they're hurt, so they won't lose their job or just based out of pride. I mean look at Peyton Manning. He clearly hasn't been 100% for most of the year due to his knee surgeries.

All that said, Leftwich really should have played yesterday, and at this rate, he'll play soon enough.

You couldn't be more wrong in your assessment of Ben.  They would have never gotten to the Super Bowl that year if it wasnt for him.  Of course you site the one bad game he had in the playoffs that year.  How about posting his stats in the three playoff games leading up to the Super Bowl??  Oh, that's right, those stats don't support your arguement.

And for the record, first season means first season, not first full season.  He came in the 3rd game of his rookie year and started 13 games.  He only started 12 games the year they won it all.

Get your facts straight before you spout off such nonsense.

The reason he did so well statistically was because they dumbed the offense down for him. If they had done the same for Tommy Maddox, they would have done just as well, if Maddox had stayed healthy the whole time.

I just wonder if you feel he was to hurt to win when they were up 20-17. Or if it also was his shoulder that caused that AWESOME #1 D to allow Indy to march right down the field multiple times in the 2nd half. Seriously, if that D is so great they should have held Indy to a FG on that last drive, short field or not.  Just think if Ike Taylor could catch, Wayne would have never caught the first TD pass and Ike could have had at least one more Int. Ben didn't have the greatest game but it's been the defense holding it down all year and they didn't have a spectacular performance either. A great team finds a way to get it done, period. And a great team the Steelers are not, at least not yet.

"A great team finds a way to get it done, period. And a great team the Steelers are not, at least not yet."

And a good QB doesn't continuously put his team in a position to lose. And a good QB Ben is not, at least not yet.

Perhaps you forgot that there was a road to the Super Bowl that year, going through the #1, 2, and 3 teams in the AFC? Let's look at those games:

@ CIN - 14 of 19 208 yds 3 TDs 0 INT QB Rat - 148.7
@ IND - 14 of 24 197 yds 2 TDs 1 INT QB Rat - 95.3
@ DEN - 21 of 29 275 yds 2 TDs 0 INT 1 Rush TD QB Rat - 124.9

Yeah, I guess he didn't have much to do with their Super Bowl, did he? You're telling me Tommy maddox would have won those games? Did you see any of those playoff games with Maddox? Weren't they 6-10 with Maddox in his only full year as a starter? And when he went down they went 13-0 with Ben the next year? You're insane and you are trying to justify your hating on Ben and your outrageously biased remarks. He may have screwed in the Super Bowl, but he made enough plays to win, and he was only 23 years old - youngest QB in the super bowl. What the hell were you doing at 23?

If you're gonna trash Ben talk about the last few games or the year after the Super Bowl and motorcycle accident. But don't doubt that he has played some amazing games and is still a top QB in the NFL. And he still plays through injury, unlike some wimpy QBs like Romo, leaving his team's fate in the hands of Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger. Let's see you play in the NFL with a seperated shoulder? You probably couldn't even muster up the strength to jerk yourself off.

Leftwich played 1 half and you're gonna say that the offense is "far better" with him? Do you remember Byron Leftwich? Have you even watched football for more than a year or two? Come on now. You think it's easy to just find a championship-caliber QB and sign him? And how come most of these "championship-caliber" QBs have no rings? Other than Brady and Peyton Manning these guys haven't won big games like Ben. And I remember Manning having some awful games for years in the playoffs, and I'm sure some douchebag like you was calling for him to be replaced at the time, probably right after Ben and Pittsburgh took them out at home when they were the No. 1 seed!

If you're going to accuse someone of not having their facts straight, practice what you preach.  It was the second game of the 2004 season when Maddox broke his arm against the Ravens and Ben stepped in.

Yeah, Peyton and Eli never put their teams in position to lose. Even Brady threw 4 picks against San Diego last year in the damn AFC championship! But Ben screws up in some regular season games and he's not even a good QB? Pat, you are ridiculous. Just stop hating, it's really very petty.

Pat waits for an opportunity to bash Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers like this.  He will NEVER say anything good about them, EVER!  They could be the best team in the league, have one bad game, and he will make a blog specifically dedicated to bashing the entire team because he has so much hatred for them.  Unless the player's name is Hines Ward or Willie Parker, Pat hates him if he plays for the Steelers.  So the next time Roethlisberger wins a game for the Steelers, like he did in Jacksonville, I demand that Pat writes a blog praising Big Ben.

Key word: continuously. Ben does it all the time.

I agree with Kramer, name another QB that makes those throws against Jacksonville while being pulled down like that? Brady? No he crumbles to the ground when hit. Manning? Both of them would panic and fumble. Romo, Warner, Cutler? Give me a break.

"And he still plays through injury, unlike some wimpy QBs like Romo, leaving his team's fate in the hands of Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger. Let's see you play in the NFL with a seperated shoulder? You probably couldn't even muster up the strength to jerk yourself off."

Obviously you are missing the point. I will spell it out for you, since I understand you are a Steelers fan, and may not be the brighest bulb in the room.

IF HE IS PLAYING HURT, HE IS HURTING HIS TEAM. Ben Roethlisberger at 100% is mediocre enough. An injured Ben Roethlisberger flat out loses games.

Byron Leftwich would have done better in his place, and the Steelers probably would have won the game if Ben weren't playing. Therefore, there is NOTHING good about his "toughness" when it's costing his team football games. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

So you're telling me Brady shouldn't have started the AFC Championship last year? He was hurt, threw 4 picks, and the only reason they won is cause L.T. didn't play and Rivers was hurt even more.

By the way the coach decides who plays and Ben must have still looked better then Leftwich for him to get the start.

Byron Leftwich PROVED last week that he was a capable backup. He performed better than Roethlisberger, without a shadow of a doubt.

Who was the capable backup that the Patriots had? Who was their guy that they knew could be better than Brady in that situation?

Also, don't ever compare Brady to Roethlisberger again. That's an insult to everyone's intelligence. Brady is a better QB RIGHT NOW than Big Ben. Yes, I mean right now, as he's recovering from an ACL and MCL injury.

And don't compare a Week 10 matchup with a losing team to the AFC Championship, especially when you're talking about Tom Brady, a guy who already HAD 3 AFC Championships under his belt. You are just sounding ridiculous here.

Brady got rocked in that first AFC championship and didn't finish. Bledsoe had to come in and take over for Brady, who didn't lead his team to even a field goal. But I bet you didn't hop on the Pats bandwagon till 2003 so you probably don't remember that game.

Pat, stop riding Leftwich's jock. He got cut from Atlanta for Joey Harrington! Joey F#@%*&G Harrington!

Actually, I have been a Patriots fan since before they drafted Bledsoe. You know... back when they were winning 1 and 2 games a year? Good try, though. A pathetic attempt to change the subject, since you have nothing of importance to say.

I'm not talking about mop up duty for a half after Maddox got hurt.  He started from the 3rd game on.

Saying he's better than Roethlisberger isn't riding his jock. Ben played horrible. Based on Ben's performance on Sunday, and Leftwich's performance last week, are you telling me you don't think he could have done better than 0 TD, 3 INT and a fumble? Seriously?

That's not a compliment to Leftwich... there are dozens of other guys who could have replaced Ben and the Steelers would have won. Leftwich just happens to be the one who's on their roster.

Pat, you sound more ridiculous with every post.  If he does well, it's because the Steelers dumbed down the offense.  If he does poor, he sucks.  You dont like the Steelers or Ben, WE GET IT, so please stop posting biased, nonsensical opinions.

No, I don't think he would. Watch Leftwich throw. He's drops the ball down to his waist before he starts his windup to throw. He also is one of the least mobile QB's in the league. Mix that with the Steelers pitiful O'line and you have the recipe for disaster.  He wouldn't even have a roster spot in the league if it weren't for Charlie Batch getting injured early in the year. Well, maybe Detroit would've grabbed him. But that's not exactly a roster spot in the league.

Ok... well... based on his results last week, where he actually did pretty well, I think that he could have done better than the pitiful excuse for a performance that the Steelers got from Roethlisberger.

And yes, rooch18, when he did "well" early in his career, it's because the Steelers simplified the offense, went with their running game more often, and only made Ben throw it 15-20 times per game. No bias there, just the facts. The Patriots did the same thing with Brady at first, as well. It's just smart strategy.

The difference is, when Brady was given more opportunities, he improved. Big Ben, on the other hand, gets exposed as a fraud whenever the Steelers are forced to rely heavily on his arm.

Dude, are you for real???

He did well LAST YEAR.  The stats speak for themselves.  He was second in qb rating, threw 32 td's and only 11 picks.  Oh yeah, he threw over 400 times.  He also had a running game and a better o-line.

Fottball is the ultimate team game.  The offense as a whole has regressed.  They lost Faneca, their best 2 o-lineman are out, and their top 2 rb's are out.  The whole offense isnt as good, you cant just blame him. 

The "15-20" times theory is bogus too.  In the playoffs against Indy and Denver in 05 he threw 24 and 29 times.  He totaled 472 yards, 4 td's, and 1 pick.

It's funny you are sticking to his results against the Skins, not his career where it really matters. The Steelers D was so hard against the Skins they didn't even need a QB. Byron also has a bad history against Indy, another reason the decision to start Ben may have been made.  I don't think there's any doubt that Ben is the better QB, even with his current condition. I also agree he's hasn't been playing his greatest. But like I said earlier a great team gets it done.  No excuses.  You should take a trip down memory lane to a similar team, the 2000 Ravens. Yeah, those Ravens that were led by Trent Dilfer.  Another team with an excellent defense and questions at QB. If I recall correctly they won the Super Bowl that year.  So, back to the original point. To blame Pittsburgh's problems on Ben is ludacris. He's the best option at the current point. The D will need to pick up Ben and the O at certain points just as Ben and the O has done before. 

Ben's # of pass attempts in his first season:
19, 28, 19, 17, 20, 21, 16, 18, 24, 25, 21, 25, 22, 20

Average: 22.5

Tommy Maddox averaged 32.4 pass attempts per game during the previous season. If you don't think that 10 less pass attempts per game isn't an example of simplifying the offense for the QB, then I have no idea what to say to you. Clearly you live on your own planet, where facts are meaningless.

Have I ever mentioned his rookie year???.  Post his stats from last year.  You would agree he did well last year right???  He averaged well over 20 attempts a game last year didnt he??

And where did that get them?

As long as the offense depends on Ben Roethlisberger, the Steelers will never get over the hump. One good year doesn't make a guy a top 3 QB in the league.

So you dont think they depended on him during the playoff run his second year??  I just wanna make sure what you are getting at.

Also, I never said he was top 3, but he is most certainly top 10.  You are acting like he is the worst qb in the league and they should release him today.

I merely said that in the Super Bowl, he played like he had money on the Seahawks. The Steelers won DESPITE him, not because of him.

And I don't think they should release him, but it might be a good idea to draft a new QB for the future, because Big Ben simply isn't gonna cut it if they want another Super Bowl, unless they cut down his passing attempts and reign him in again.

He's overrated as hell.

Would they have gotten to the Super Bowl without him?  Tommy Maddox sure the hell wouldnt have gotten them there.  He had an awful game and his teammates picked him up.  The previous 3 playoff games they won BECAUSE of him. 

Keep on hating buddy.

Lmao. This is ridiculous. So Ben has had a bad stretch of games and now he's been cast off as a bum. Do some research and tell us how many games Ben has had with a perfect QB rating. Then tell us where that stands in NFL history. Oh, read this while you're at it Genius Pat.

It's official: Big Ben one of the best

http://coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2440_It's_official:_Big_Ben_one_of_the_best.html

If they had used Tommy Maddox properly, yes. Tommy wasn't good enough to be the gunslinger that they tried to make him. Neither is Ben, but they adjusted the offense to fit him. If they had done that earlier with Maddox, they would have been much better off.

"Clearly you live on your own planet, where facts are meaningless."

Haha, facts, Pat's favorite.

Did you just say they would have made the Super Bowl with Tommy "Gun" Maddox???   LOL

Bye bye credibilty.

Says the guy who is happy with 3 INT's and a fumble with no TD's...

When did I say I was happy with Ben's performance yesterday?  Show me.

Also, show me a qb who has never thrown 3 picks in a game.

Maddox passed 32 times a game and they were 6-10. Ben passed 22.5 and they were 15-1, in his ROOKIE year. Sounds like they got smarter with the offense. Plus Ben lead quite a few 4th quarter drives to win games that year and has ever since.

BTW, the Pats lost to PIT 34-20 that year and a healthy Brady threw 2 picks, sacked 4 times and lost a fumble. Unlike yesterday's game that one wasn't even close. But I get the feeling you weren't writing negative blogs calling for Brady to be benched and Jim Miller, a former starter who couldn't find a job like Leftwich, to get the start the start the next game, were you?

Ben is 45-19 as an NFL starter. That does NOT happen by accident.

End of discussion.

You're right. It happens through a TEAM effort. Ben DOES NOT HAVE a win-loss record, the Steelers do.

A few things to remember:
1) His division has sucked, for the most part, since he has been in the league
2) This week will be the 3rd in the last 4 that he has been completely atrocious
3) Your grandmother could have outplayed him against the Colts

He's 26-14 outside of the division. That's not exactly shabby. Although his INT's were ridiculous, he still completed 71% of his passes yesterday.

Is a Pats fan talking about another team playing in a crappy division? Give me a break. My grandmother could have led the Pats to the playoffs the last 6 years in the AFC East.

Weren't the Browns 10-6 last year? Ravens 13-3 2 years ago? Pitt beat the Bengals who were 11-5 3 years ago. When was the last time an AFC East team other than NE won more than 10 games? 2001?

Pat, if Ben does not play his butt off in Denver or make that tackle in Indy. We dont even reach the Super Bowl.

PS. Did you see his numbers last year?

Do you realize how bad this statement contradicts the headline of your original post?  The game was lost because of mistakes by the team, not just Ben. There's only so much more BS you can pull out. It's pretty safe to say - You're wrong about this.

Bledsoe was drafted 15 years ago, what were you 8? Looks like your maturity level hasn't changed much since then. A pathetic attempt to act like you have any knowledge of football history, even with your own team.

I'm guessing you've seen like 3 Steelers games:

1 game from 2002 when Tommy Maddox did good.
The Super Bowl where Ben threw some bad picks but also a nice pass to Ward to set up a touchdown, as well as converting big third downs in the 4th quarter to seal the game.
Yesterday's sportscenter highlights, I doubt you even watched the whole game.

Pat, I have to agree with you that Ben has had some bad games this year. A banged up O-line, 3rd string running backs, and his own injuries have all contributed to this.  But it hard to believe that a guy that has had a few bad games for a team that is 6-3 is horrible and should not play. 

Although Leftwich had an impressive showing against the Skins, Ben has done alot for the Steelers franchise; and he is able to give it a go, the coaches are going to put him out there. Leftwich has proven over and over that he can blow important games (see Jacksonville). It is possible that Byron might have done a better job, but the fact of the matter is that Ben IS the starter. Steeler fans want Ben out there as badly as Pats fans want Brady out there, regardless of who the backup may be. Once these guys have rings and good seasons statistically, it is hard to find a reason to put them on the pine (unless it is a severe injury).

Your posts mainly show that you dislike Ben and the Steelers. And that's fine. I hate the Cowboys. But to say that Ben should be benched and is a horrible QB because of a couple of bad games is ridiculous. You cannot argue with Ben's performances leading up to the Super Bowl victory over the Seahawks. His Super Bowl performance wasn't great, but most of his other games have been stellar. A couple of bad games doesn't make a QB terrible, or else every QB in history is just plain awful by your standards.

Romo, Eli. Cutler and Rivers aren't better than Roethlisberger. They are not as consistant as he is. But also look at the stats of those guys who all have O-Lines compared to Big Ben who has an awful O-Line.

As for the article, good effort with it, but your way off base. Roethlisberger isn't healthy this year, like his 3 year in the leauge, and we all saw how that went, the Steelers really need to make decision whether to pull him purely for his own health and career longgevity. As for saying we won't win another Super Bowl, please do you watch this guy on a regular basis, and during the SB run in 05? He was one of the main reasons we won, yes he was poor in the SB but he was great on the way to that game and was the reason the Steelers had a shot at the SB. But Roethlisberger's struggles this year are down to severl things, him not being helthy, not having confidence in his O-Line[47 sacks last year] his OC no calling a game plan that plays to his strengths in his current position, next no running game or RB's and WR's dropping passes and Roethlisberger himself taking to many hits and making mistakes by trying to win the game byhimself to often becasue he doesn't have the confidence to let his offensive unit help him. Now Roethlisberger after last year was a top 3-5 QB but this year he's sliding down the list and rightly so, but he's still a top 10 QB. One thing you need to take into account also is that Roethlisberger doesn't practice during the week so how is he supposed to get any sort of rythm with his WR's? He needs to practice more and get into a grove, that's been a big problem the past 3-4 weeks, but he still been poor no matter how you look at it. But this off-season the Steelers need to get a FA RT and a Franchise LT in the 1st round and if we are lucky one of the top OC/OG prospects if they fall, give Roethlisberger an O-Line that will protect him and an OC that's not a retard and I think we will see more of the Roethlisberger we saw last year.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/12/05/sports/05steelers.jpg

That's what Roethlisberger faces every week, some of it is his own doing, but most of it is his crappy O-Line. Now all the QB's that are 'better than him' can't produce under pressure like that nor will they ever. Also they all have some sort of consistant running game.

This article just shows me you hate the Steelers and Roethlisberger and now is a good time to bash him, fair enough your a Pats fan but come on, you don't lead your team to a 45-19 record 6th seed SB winand two division titles as a starter by accident, Roethlisberger is a good QB, he just needs an O-Line and a clean bill of health to prove what he can really do.

I don't know why you hate the Steelers so much dude.  You say the facts don't lie.  Maybe they don't lie for this season, I agree he has not been very good this season, but look at his offensive line, they have a terrible offensive line who can't block, a third string running back, and receivers that would rather get arrested than catch balls ... you preach football as a team sport, so how is it one guys fault?  Your being hypocritical in your own words ... Kurt Warner might be a better QB right now, but look at his receivers, the two best in the game, a good running back, and a healthy offensive line ... Rivers is not in the same class as Big Ben, and his team is healthy (for the most part), Brady is the best QB in the league, period, I'm not debating that, if Peyton was healthy, he is better than Ben too, but if Ben had any type of O-Line and Willie healthy he would be the third best in the league, period.

You're basing your assumption on three games and his rookie year, look at what he has done in the last few years, a super bowl win, two division titles, and a pro bowl ... you said it yourself, the proof is in the stats ... stop hating on Ben and move on ... so he had a bad game and he is having a rough season thus far, last time I checked he was not the first player in the NFL to have that happen to him ... LT has rushed for only four touchdowns this year, and 649 yards ... so if you think Ben is overrated because of a bad season, how about we start the LT is overrated debate, maybe the Chargers should start looking for another running back because his stats are down, sounds like a great idea ... back off of Ben!

"look at what he has done in the last few years, a super bowl win"

Stop. Just stop. HE "did" the Super Bowl win? Really? You must not have watched that game, because he absolutely sucked. No if's and's or but's about it, he was awful.

refresh my memory, he does have a super bowl win correct, with the steelers????? I agree he was terrible in the super bowl, but they still won is the point ... he was a big part of the reason, not the main reason, but a big part of the reason why they were in the super bowl in the first place ... you have to agree he was great in the playoffs up until the super bowl.  To base your assessment off of a handful of games this year is ridiculous ...Just so I'm clear, are you saying that when the Steelers win its the team winning and when the Steelers lose it is Ben's fault, is that about right?

This Pat chowdhead has to be the biggest moron on the entire 'net. The only reason the Steelers were even in the game Sunday is because of Roethlisberger -- the run game was non-existent and the protection sucked as usual. Not only that, but the second pick was on Holmes, and the last one was a Hail Mary (that by the way hit Nate Washington right in the hands). Dummy doesn't mention that, does he?

Now, repeat after me: Tom Brady, Super Bowl Loser. Say it loud, say it chowd!

P.S. The Giants say hello.

 "We're only going to score 17? Tee hee!"

--Tom "Giggles" Brady, Super Bowl Loser, before going out and losing in the Super Bowl

P.S.S. Just got done watching a replay of the Tuck Rule game. What was that about refs helping a team win again?

Fact: the Steelers never even sniff the Super Bowl if not for Ben Roethlisberger.

Fact: the Steeler run game couldn't break a stinking THREE yards a carry in the AFC playoffs. Meanwhile, Roethlisberger was putting up 125 and 145 rating games. That is a classic case of the quarterback carrying a team. Not just with his arm, but even having to play defense when his RB nearly fumbles away the playoff game in Indianapolis. The Steelers never get past Indy without Roethlisberger.

But to the hatertards, ratings only count when they want, like in the Bowl. Meanwhile, Roethlisberger made one of  the huge plays of the game -- that insane completion on third and twenty seven, that turned away the momentum from Seattle and led to the first TD. Not only that, but check Ben's rating on THIRD DOWN in the Bowl, when it mattered most. You'll see the number of winning plays he made.

But again -- who cares? Fact is, the Steelers NEVER EVEN GET TO THE BOWL WITHOUT ROETHLISBERGER. That's why the hatertards like Pat so crack me up. They're just plain clueless.

Yeah Brady really carried the Pats to the Super Bowl that year.

Got bailed out by the refs when he got sacked and lost the ball = worst call EVER!
Got knocked out of the AFC championship in the 2nd quarter without leading his team to even a field goal.
Only threw for 22 yards more the Ben in the Super Bowl win.

Talk about a dominant run in the playoffs!
But I forgot, apparently Pat didn't start watching football until the 2005 Super Bowl so I guess he doesn't remember any of these games.

Are you having fun?

I'd love to know how hating on Brady helps prove your point. He is, without a doubt, the best QB in the NFL when healthy. Super Bowl loser? Then where did his 3 rings come from?

You're a joke. Try again.

You have to understand, lets_go_bucs_, the strange hatertard fixation that chowds have on Roethlisberger. It has a lot to do with the fact that Ben became the youngest QB ever to win a Bowl, and also how he started stealing the press away from their golden-boy mancrush Brady.
Suddenly they're all jealous and stuff, and they start obsessing about Ben, ripping him, whining that he's overrated blah blah blah. They just can't STAND when Ben gets props in the press, it drives them all nuts.

It'd be funny if it weren't so disturbing.

I got a headline for you:

"Guy From Massachusetts Pulls His Head Out of His Ass and Realizes His Opinions Aren't Even Close to Reality"

Too bad that'll probably never happen...

 Awful quarterback?  Are you kidding me?  The Steelers are perennial contenders and will be for some time with Ben at QB.  You can take Brady and the Mannings.  Great QB's.  Fine.  The rest haven't proved dick yet, other than the fact that they can pile on the stats for mediocre teams.  I'll take Ben any day.  Playing to lose?  Look at our record since he started.  He had a bad game, and I guess it's easy for Brady-worshipping knuckleheads like you to shred him for it.  We'll see where Brees, Romo , Cutler, and Rivers fit into the playoff picture.  My guess is they'll all be watching from home. 

The Super Bowl must have been the only Steeler game you ever watched because you mention it in every post. 

 

Yep, Ben didn't need his DEFENSE to score for him like Brady did in that Bowl. (Oh and speaking of the refs helping out, nice job looking the other way on the roughing call that should've been called for Warner on that Pats' scoring play.)

Bottom line: Brady did nothing in his first Super Bowl, except for one patented "field goal drive" at the end, against a stinking prevent defense. If it weren't for the Pats' defense doing the scoring for him, Brady goes down a loser in his first Super Bowl too.

After Trying So Hard Over And Over Again, Tom Brady Successfully Lost A Super Bowl For The Patriots.

"Got knocked out of the AFC championship in the 2nd quarter without leading his team to even a field goal."

That's right, it was Bledsoe who got the job done for Brady. If Tommy Boy had been in there, the Patsies go home. The more you look at it, the more overrated Tom Brady looks.

After Trying So Hard Over And Over Again, Tom Brady Successfully Lost A Super Bowl For The Patriots

No the joke is what a can of worms you've opened with this article, and how it's totally backfired on you. Ha ha ha!

And it's not hating -- it's just going to show how much nerve you have to ever rip on Roethlisberger's first go, when you have Tom Brady as your QB.

Let's compare Ben's and Tommy's first Super Bowl runs, shall we?

Ben: Playoff of runs of 125 and 145 rating games while carrying team on back, with running backs who can't break 3 yards a carry average. Playoff MVP, gets it done on his own. Suffers natural jitters in Bowl as youngest QB to ever play. Still makes several key plays, including historic 3rd down and 27 conversion to turn tide of game in Steelers' favor.

Brady: Game 1, AFC Divisional, needs refs to bail him out on fumble in Tuck Rule game, or else he goes home. Game 2, AFC Championship:  doesn't even contribute, watches as Bledsoe comes in and takes over QB duties. CLEARLY needs others to help him out. Super Bowl: has jitters in first Bowl, can't move ball, needs defense to score 7 of the 20 points -- without defensive points, Rams win game.

Care to argue with any of the above? Tell me which part isn't accurate there, rocket scientist.

Ha ha.

P.S. After Trying So Hard Over And Over Again, [Big Ben] Tom Brady Successfully Loses A  [Game] Super Bowl For The [Steelers] Patriots.

I know he's having a mediocre year, but I would still say Peyton Manning is the best QB in the league. Brady had amazing receivers last year and set all kinds of records, but when it comes to perfect throws Manning can still top anyone. I would go Brady close second, but there's no way you can say "without a doubt" Brady is the best QB just based on last year. Two years ago he threw a pick to SD that would've lost the game if they hadn't fumbled on the return, and then he threw a pick to lose the game against Indy. Plus last year in the playoffs Brady didn't do much after that Jacksonville game. They barely beat a injured San Diego team at home, and only scored 14 points in the Super Bowl, both games featuring crappy performances from the "undisputed best QB" in the league.

Yes, you're right... it totally backfired. Because I'm not sitting here laughing at the bitter Steelers fans who are desperately in denial.

Oh wait, that's not true. I find this completely hilarious.

You're completely off base, just give it up already.  I cant believe you are bashing Ben with the state of qb's in the NFL.  How many qb's would you take right now moving forward over Ben?  I'm just curious.

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
Donovan McNabb
Brett Favre
Trent Edwards
Matt Ryan
Philip Rivers
Jay Cutler
Tony Romo
Kurt Warner
Matt Hasselbeck
Matt Schaub
Aaron Rodgers
Jake Delhomme
David Garrard

Sorry if I missed a couple.

Seriously... Ben Roethlisberger sucks.

Can all of yinz put this to rest?  I'm getting sick of seeing this blog in my unread comments and seeing nothing but Pat's antagonizing and all the Steeler fans who can't seem to get the hint that Pat WANTS you to complain.  You're all giving him more ammo.

Yeah, I'm sick of looking at that stupid picture of this duchebag. Hate all you want, at least he's playing this year, unlike Brady who's career just might be over like Carson Palmers, scared for his life in the pocket. Good luck next year Masshole.

Nice list, you must be missing a chromosome.

I understand... I get tired of looking at that picture too... want me to take down the Roethlisberger pics and replace them with Byron Leftwich, like the Steelers should have done on Sunday?

Btw... Tom Brady could retire today, and he's a lock for the Hall of Fame. Bringing him up, in an attempt to justify Big Ben, is simply asinine.

you never answered my question ... Just so I'm clear, are you saying that when the Steelers win its the team winning and when the Steelers lose it is Ben's fault, is that about right?  This is your argument and you know nothing about football ... if you put David Garrard ahead of Ben Roethilsberger, I'm not really sure you ever watch football, do you know who he plays for or are you just like every other Patriot fan I have ever met .... I am yet to see you make a solid argument to say Ben is a terrible quarterback .... You have based your argument on a handful of games and overlooked the majority of his career .... i'll be waiting!!

I don't need to make my point any more than it has already been made. I posted numbers, facts, and reality. Steelers fans came back with raw emotion, tantrums and team stats.

Wins are not the result of one player. Winning is a team effort. Losing, however, can be accompished single handedly. Especially when that player is the QB.

reality in your narrow minded world .... i'll be waiting

"Bitter"? If Steelers fans posting are bitter, what does that say about a guy who takes the time to create an ENTIRE HATCHET PIECE about Roethlisberger? Oh, talk about sitting here laughing -- ha ha I can't stop.

It's beyond bitter with you... I'm thinking major jilted lover mancrush level here.

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I report the news.

This weeks news: Ben Roethlisberger sucked, therefore his team lost.

Next week, maybe it will be something different. But I doubt it.

It's obvious you don't watch the Steelers. Your just some Boston sports fan tool who's trying to get a rise out of Steelers fans.

Yeah, and if Ben plays and excels next week, you'll be right here reporting on that too -- right?

Ha ha.

Just like you ran to the computer and started "reporting" when Ben singlehandedly beat Jacksonville the other week... oh wait I forgot, you didn't.

No, you have some bizarre hater-fetish about Ben, weird since you're a Patsie fan. I'd hate to think where you might have his posters...

So please, spare us the "you're all emotional" and "I'm all objective" crap. You're the one who started this whole garbage-spewing rant.

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When it's the QB huh -- so you'll admit then that Brady was responsible for choking away the AFC Championship Game vs. Indy singlehandedly -- after all, he did throw the game-ending interception. He was the QB, and as you say, the QB is the one player who can lose it all by himself.

So let's hear it: tell us how Brady choked away the AFC Championship AND the Super Bowl, since after all, he was the QB in that game too. But ESPECIALLY that Colts game. C'mon man, let's see how objective you are. Comment on Brady now. We're all waiting!

Psst...it's working because yinz all keep responding!

Seriously. 6 people joined the site for no other reason than to attack me on this post. Clearly I win.

Not really. Personally I always have a knee-slappin' good time pounding idiots who don't know enough about football to realize how good Roethlisberger is.

Keep up the good work!

C'mon don't be too hard on Pat... after all, it's an accomplishment just to get computer time when you're living in your parents' basement , and have to go all the way upstairs every time you post. So why hate? Congratulate!

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Why again am I arguing on the internet with a 24 year-old punk ass from Mass who has no journalistic credibility whatsoever??? Wow, I just realized this....like really.

wow. i think all of you need to grow the fuck up.  I, for one, completely agree with pat.  but this is his post. why dont you go post your own if you are such a steelers fan, and think that "Big Ben" is such a good quarter back.  Post your own shit.  Stop bitchin.

Congratulations for finally realizing that he's not a professional journalist!  Now that you've come to the understanding that you and the other Pittsburgh fans who have responded to this article are being a bunch of babies, are you going to stop attacking Pat?  He and I don't agree on anything when it comes to the Steelers, but I do know that you're only egging him on with the comments all of you have made on this blog.

Whether you want to admit it or not, he's right.  There are 6 people on this blog who have done nothing but attack Pat.  You're one of them.  Prior to this opinionated article he wrote, I had never seen any of you people on this site before, and I've been an active member for a year and a half.

When you spout nonsense, you should expect a little backlash.

Uh, maybe that has something to do with the little FISHING TRIP Pat's been on all over the 'net... posting links like an attention-starved junior-high school girl. Wonder how those people found this rathole in the first place? Ask yourself, Einstein.

Let's see, writing up a hater-piece to rip on a QB, then pimping it on the 'net -- yeah, THAT guy deserves sympathy huh? Aw, poor Pat.

Correction: when you spout nonsense AND tout it on other sites, you should expect a BIG amount of backlash.

My point is if you want Pat to quit bashing Ben, you should stop posting.  You've said your peace, and so have the other new Steelers fans who have commented on this blog.  However, if you don't want Pat to CONTINUE to bash Roethlisberger, stop replying to every comment he makes on this blog.  If you think he's being an attention whore, you're giving him exactly what he wants by replying to his comments...ATTENTION!  If you would all stop posting, he'd quit hating on Roethlisberger on this blog and it would be forgotten sooner than you can imagine, it's an amazing concept, ignore the guy and he'll go away!

For the record, I didn't post this link anywhere except for my facebook site. If anyone else linked it, then that was of their own accord. I didn't "tout" this anywhere, or even send it to anyone.

Apparently someone ELSE thought it was good, and felt the need to do so.

And I never asked for your sympathy. Thanks anyway. I enjoy "backlash". Your homer comments are hilarious to me. Keep it up.

The only way for me to stop bashing Roethlisberger is for him to stop sucking.

Therefore, I won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

You wouldn't still be commenting on this blog if the other Steeler fans would shut up.  That's what I've been trying to get across, but it's not registering.

I suppose you're right... I'd be planning out next weeks post about why Big Ben sucks.

Hey Pat, catch the game last night?

Oh that one's gotta hurt. The J-E-T-S? Ouch.

Maybe it's time for a new piece, something like "Cassel proves ANYBODY can throw for 400 Yards and 3 TDs in the Patriots' system. Even without the benefit of spy-cam cheating." I think it would make for one heck of a little commentary.

I think a more appropriate title would be "Matt Cassel Proves He's Better Than That Scrub On The Steelers"

"Big Ben leads his team to victory, Matt Cassel is a bum"

If Pat writes a blog praising Ben Roethlisberger for no picks and throwing for over 300 yards, will yinz all keep quiet about this article?  Seriously, Pat, if you at least give him some credit for today's game, even though the Steelers never got the ball in the endzone, it might get these guys off your back.

Matt Cassel: 3 TD's
Big Douche: 0 TD's

Good example of him "leading his team to victory".

Give him credit for what? Not being able to close the deal? 300 yards and no TD's isn't any better than your average Jon Kitna game.

You obviously didn't watch this game.  He led the game winning drive, even if it was only a FG.  If you'd put your bias against Roethlisberger aside for 5 seconds, you'd see that.

Oh, and didn't you say before on here that making fun of players' names is stupid?  Practice what your preach.

Steelers win, Pats lose

When did I make fun of his name? I merely called him a big douche.

The Patriots lost in OT, and the Jets had the ball after the coin toss. If you want to blame that on Cassel's 400 yards and 3 TD's, go ahead. Hopefully all your hypocritical Steelers friends call you out, just like they unsuccessfully tried to do to me.

Except they won't, because they're the ones with the TRUE bias, no matter how much they try to accuse me of that.

Judging from your pic, I think that name fits you better.

Says the guy who doesn't have the balls to post his own picture. Your opinion is less than dirt to me.

Correct.  This is what I've been saying all along.  Football is a team game, no 1 player wins or loses it.  I actually like Matt Cassel, I was just trying to get a response.  QB's have great games and their team loses and vice versa.  It happens every week.

Your TD pass arguement is weak. 

Got a little sand in your vagina today???

No 1 player can win it. BUT... it IS possible for one player to lose it. With anyone but Rex Grossman at QB, the Bears would have won the Super Bowl against the Colts. And with anyone but Roethlisberger, the Steelers would have won against the Colts as well.

There is absolutely no way of knowing that. 

But if you are a reasonably intelligent football fan, then you know that it's very likely that my statement is true. Replace one of those guys with an average QB performance, and they would win.

For craps sake Pat, you are such an immature arrogant prick. Ben completed 76% of his passes last night, averaged 7.6 yards a pass, and had the balls to drive his team down the field for the win. He's been doing this for the Steelers for the last four years, but we all know that you already know this. You just refuse to see it.  We all know that you study Ben's every move (HACK) and form your expert opinions on your little message board. But hey, it's a TEAM game, right Pat. Just ask Brad Johnson. Or Ryan Fitzpatrick. Maybe ask Vince Young. Yea, those guys are fabulous football players and have no outcome on the happenings of their teams in 2008. But hey, keep on preaching about how some average schmo would be as successful as Ben in your "team" philosophy. Hey, baseball is a team sport too but don't tell that to the pitchers.

Dude... calm down. You're really starting to sound pathetic now.

And btw, I'd love to hear what Vince Young has to do with anything. Are you saying he's really good, and his team is winning despite his absence? Because that would be wrong. Or are you acknowledging that he sucks, and saying that the Titans are winning despite his suckiness? Because that would be irrelevant, since he's not playing. Where does VY10 fit into all this?

Anyway... I'll throw you a bone, since you keep begging. Here, and here.

If you think the Titans would be 10-0 with Vince Young as their QB then you need to seek some serious medical help. You see, you keep suggesting that the QB play has little to do with these games because it's such a "TEAM" game, as you like to put it. Ben does well and the Steelers win, but you insist that it's because of the "team" and not him. Am I missing something? Are YOU missing something? Hasn't that been your argument in regards to Ben? Way to ignore the Brad Johnson input in place of Romo. Nice.

Ok... so we agree about Vince Young. Glad to hear that, because some people inexplicably like him.

See... that's exactly what I'm saying, though. The Titans would have lost at least a couple games with Young at the helm. And we all know the Cowboys sucked without Romo. The Patriots have a decent fall-back plan with Cassel, but I think we can agree that with Brady, they would probably have beaten at least the Dolphins and Jets, and probably the Chargers as well.

The thing is, when Byron Leftwich came in, he played BETTER than Ben has been playing. So I don't understand how the Brad Johnson reference is even relevant. It's clear to everyone that Tony Romo is the far superior QB of the two. I don't believe you can intelligently make the same case for Roethlisberger over Leftwich right now.

It's not that I ignored it, I just didn't see how it was relevant, since the situations are nearly opposite. One backup sucked, and one backup outplayed the starter.

And just so I don't ignore any of the points you've made... the Bengals would still suck even if Carson Palmer was healthy. He just hasn't been the same since your boys went after his knee.

Well, lookee here, Ben puts up a 300 yard, 96 rating game, completes a whopping 76 percent of his passes, not to mention makes THE clutch throw of the year on 3rd and season... and does "Mr. Objectivity" Pat run and do up a commentary giving him his well-earned props? No, he starts weaseling and qualifying and whining and making excuses as to why he can't.

Wow, who could have predicted it?

And by the way, as for going after knees -- a PATRIOTS FAN complaining about another team doing it? What in the names of Vince Wilfork and Rodney Harrison is going on here?

Dude, haven't you figured out the formula yet?

When the Steelers lose, it's the quarterback's fault. When the Steelers win, it's a team sport.

Actually, Nate Washington was probably over the goal line on that one pass, but of course, passing your team down to the one-inch line doesn't count for anything right?

Right.

Leftwich has about played a total of ONE half this season and you're annointing him as a better option than Ben? Have you even compared these two and their stats over the spans of their careers? Dude, it's not even close. If you think Leftwich is a better option than Ben than you need to watch a few more Steeler games and invest in some highlight DVD's from the last four seasons. You seriously can't be this ridiculous. He has one of the highest passer ratings in NFL history for craps sake.

I said right now. It's proven. The data sample is a small one, but during the game about which I wrote this post, Byron Leftwich would have been the better option. Considering the absolutely mediocrity that Big Ben showed, I'm not sure why anyone would argue otherwise. Would I say that Leftwich was a better long term option? Probably not. But for that game, there's no doubt in my mind that Leftwich would have been the better choice.

And for my money, Vince Wilfork would have been the better choice for cheap shotting the opposing QB's knees. Just ask Losman.

Thank you for your relevant and intelligent contribution to the discussion continued idiocy.

Yes, just like your "Carson Palmer's knee" comment had so much to do with the discussion at hand, Pat. Once again, the hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

To top if off, you did it FIRST. I only shot back. Tsk tsk.

Actually, trjuxal brought up the Bengals, and their ineptitude under Ryan Fitzpatrick. I pointed out the fact that they weren't much better when Carson Palmer was playing, and that he hasn't been the same since injuring his knee against the Steelers. Therefore, it was completely relevant.

Thanks for playing, try again.