Boston Red Sox vs. Tampa Bay Rays 2008 ALCS Preview And Prediction [MLB Playoffs]

The Rays Won The East, But Will The Red Sox's Experience Pay Off In The Playoffs?

10/7/08 in MLB   |   Pat   |   5235 respect


The 2008 American League Championship Series between the upstart Tampa Bay Rays and defending World Series champion Boston Red Sox starts on Friday at 8:37pm EST. While the Rays won the season series 10-8, the Red Sox have experience on their side. Who will win out? We'll find out shortly.

The Rays made quick work of the Chicago White Sox, beating 3-1 in the first playoff series in Rays franchise history. This year was not only the first year that they made the playoffs, it was the first time that the team had ever even finished about .500.

The Red Sox similarly dominated the Angels in their ALDS series. The Angels had won the regular season series 8 games to 1, but the Red Sox stepped it up in the playoffs, and were able to move on. Jon Lester and Jason Bay were the stars for the Sox. Lester pitched 14 innings, gave up no earned runs, and struck out 11, while allowing only 13 total base runners. Bay, in his first career postseason series, hit for a .417 batting average with 2 HR and 5 RBI in only 4 games. His OPS was a ridiculous 1.356 in the series against the Angels, who have some of the best pitching in the league.

The Red Sox and Rays have quite the history, considering the brevity of the Rays' existence. Back in 2000, Sox pitcher Pedro Martinez hit Rays' leadoff hitter Gerald Williams in the elbow with a pitch. Since then, there has always been some hostility between the two teams. It has continuted even to this season, as a brawl broke out in June after an incident involving Coco Crisp and James Shields.

This series should be incredibly exciting. The Rays and Red Sox are arguably the two best teams in baseball, and both teams have lots of you, passionate players.

The edge in pitching goes to the Rays. Their staff had an ERA of 3.82 in the regular season. That was 3rd best in all of baseball, and well ahead of the Red Sox (4.02). However, the Red Sox hitters were the 3rd best in baseball, scoring about half a run per game more than the Rays.

The old adage "pitching wins championships" still applies, but the Red Sox' rotation and lineup are far more battle-tested than the Rays. While the Rays beat up on the White Sox, it wasn't nearly as impressive as the Red Sox manhandling the Angels. The Angels were the best team in baseball during the regular season, and the Red Sox simply shut down their offense, while finding a way to manufacture runs against their outstanding pitching. The Whtie Sox had the 2nd worst record out of all the playoff teams, and were worn out after basically playing 3 elimination games before the ALDS even started. Their team lacked the talent level of most of the other playoff teams, and it was apparent in their series with the Rays.

The Red Sox have no such shortage of talent, and are the most experienced playoff team in baseball. They have many players who were on last year's championship team, and a few who were on the team when they won back in 2004, as well.
 
The Rays have had an amazing season, but their run will come to an end here, as their inexperience will finally catch up to them.

Prediction: Red Sox in 6.

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10/13/08   |   Chris   |   3 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
and if that happens it will count the same as a one-run extra inning game......Have you Red Sox fans not learned through these 162+ games (I know Pat has) these Rays will not just lie down....it will never happen. They will fight until the last out of an inning, game, series....It's Red Sox fans that just are so slow on the uptake that makes me think the majority of them are more interested in rooting for a "winner" than actually analyzing the whole picture.....but maybe that's why I'm here.

refer to my comments in Game 1. I've never counted these guys out. I even called them the Cinderella Rays before the announcers did. They are the unexpected team marching toward an unexpected title. Like Pat said, it's foolish to count them out... they ARE in the ALCS tied 1-1 at this moment. I think we might be able to scratch Yankees and replace them with the Rays, because this will be the AL-East battleground the next few seasons.

10/12/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
and if that happens it will count the same as a one-run extra inning game......Have you Red Sox fans not learned through these 162+ games (I know Pat has) these Rays will not just lie down....it will never happen. They will fight until the last out of an inning, game, series....It's Red Sox fans that just are so slow on the uptake that makes me think the majority of them are more interested in rooting for a "winner" than actually analyzing the whole picture.....but maybe that's why I'm here.

That's why I appreciate you, Mark. (Almost) Always the voice of reason.

While I still think the Red Sox will win this series, it's obvious that anyone who is counting the Rays out, underestimating them, or who thinks that they will simply roll over is only fooling themselves.

10/12/08   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

Chris wrote:
And in 11 innings to boot! What a Red Sox beatdown! o...m....g! LOL! How are they going to carry that momentum to Boston? They probably burned up so much energy last night that they might not show up in Fenway for game 3. That's going to be the biggest win of this series. Boston will win by 4+ in game 3.

and if that happens it will count the same as a one-run extra inning game......Have you Red Sox fans not learned through these 162+ games (I know Pat has) these Rays will not just lie down....it will never happen. They will fight until the last out of an inning, game, series....It's Red Sox fans that just are so slow on the uptake that makes me think the majority of them are more interested in rooting for a "winner" than actually analyzing the whole picture.....but maybe that's why I'm here.

10/12/08   |   Chris   |   3 respect

And in 11 innings to boot! What a Red Sox beatdown! o...m....g! LOL! How are they going to carry that momentum to Boston? They probably burned up so much energy last night that they might not show up in Fenway for game 3. That's going to be the biggest win of this series. Boston will win by 4+ in game 3.

10/12/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

pritchxox8 wrote:
 RAYS IN 6! AT HOME! 

last nights game was amazing ! rays are on fire !

Yes... on fire. An amazing 1-game winning streak

10/12/08   |   pritchxox8

 RAYS IN 6! AT HOME! 

last nights game was amazing ! rays are on fire !

10/9/08   |   gmaned14

MannyStiles wrote:
I thought you meant that "we all know what happens when a team in Florida wins a World Series" was the traditional "The Rays will do what the Marlins did - dismantle for a profit...

I simply misunderstood you and am overanxious to defend Stu Sternberg's philosophy like a rabid pitbull in a heartbeat.

Rays in 5, we agree!

Agreed RAYS in five.......

10/9/08   |   gmaned14

Pat wrote:
I would say that it will more likely start tomorrow, if anything.

You are right once again it starts tomorrow.

10/9/08   |   danny_n94   |   114 respect

Boy, I hope this series lives up to all the smack thats on here. I would feel let down otherwise.
I would love to see Boston/LA in the WS

10/9/08   |   MannyStiles

gmaned14 wrote:
Here let me educate you on Florida baseball teams. This is the first year the RAYS have made the playoffs and they will do well. The last two times were the FLORIDA MARLINS who won both years they played.  So how is that for some knowledge and for my assessment youth and hungry players will prevail in this ALCS. Starting with tonite and by the way don't feel bad about being wrong about my previous reply.... We all make mistakes..... 

I thought you meant that "we all know what happens when a team in Florida wins a World Series" was the traditional "The Rays will do what the Marlins did - dismantle for a profit...

I simply misunderstood you and am overanxious to defend Stu Sternberg's philosophy like a rabid pitbull in a heartbeat.

Rays in 5, we agree!

10/9/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

gmaned14 wrote:
Here let me educate you on Florida baseball teams. This is the first year the RAYS have made the playoffs and they will do well. The last two times were the FLORIDA MARLINS who won both years they played.  So how is that for some knowledge and for my assessment youth and hungry players will prevail in this ALCS. Starting with tonite and by the way don't feel bad about being wrong about my previous reply.... We all make mistakes..... 

I would say that it will more likely start tomorrow, if anything.

10/9/08   |   gmaned14

MannyStiles wrote:
Are you on Drugs? Or don't you know ANYTHING about the Rays' owner? Stu Sternberg and the ownership group has PLENTY of dough...  All of the key players are locked up longterm except for Upton and Navarro - who will both likely be re-signed.

PLUS, the Rays are one of the youngest teams in baseball, still have the best farm system and several of the top prospects in all of baseball.
 
Don't confuse fiscal responsibility with cheapness. And don't confuse your ability to speak with sheer ignorance as a form of expounding "knowledge".

You won't just be wrong in your assessment, you are already wrong and will continue to be VERY wrong for a long time...
(Edited by gmaned14)

Here let me educate you on Florida baseball teams. This is the first year the RAYS have made the playoffs and they will do well. The last two times were the FLORIDA MARLINS who won both years they played.  So how is that for some knowledge and for my assessment youth and hungry players will prevail in this ALCS. Starting with tonite and by the way don't feel bad about being wrong about my previous reply.... We all make mistakes..... 

10/9/08   |   losthope13

MannyStiles wrote:
What did they do with the Manny Merchandise? The same thing they did with their Nomar merchandise and Pedro Merchandise...

Let the NEXT 86 years begin!!!

.....yeah they acted as though they never supported them!!!  They had to destroy their shrines to the former bandwagon crusaders!!!!!  HA HA HA HA  Boston fans should never put down Rays fans as they have trendy hat wearers across the globe!!! Come on.... fans coming out of the woodwork for a magical season is better than fans found everywhere because they saw a movie about the Red Sox while reading about a curse!!!   That my friend(PAT) is not a fan it is a groupie!

10/9/08   |   MannyStiles

Pat wrote:
That makes me want to do a little bit of this:





And maybe some of this:


Just log off. It's much easier than trolling for a flame war...

10/8/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

Chris wrote:
Pat... i'm getting vibes of the battle we had with ML31 last year... LOL!

...Deja Vu?

That makes me want to do a little bit of this:





And maybe some of this:


10/8/08   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

kantwistaye wrote:
 Who thought before the season that a Tampa Bay Ray's post in October would have 65 comments on it?  Anyone who says they did is full of crap.

Well, I DID think that they would trade for Brett Favre

10/8/08   |   Chris   |   3 respect

Pat wrote:

I might be going out on a limb here, but perhaps he was responding to the statement "we all know what happens when a World Series comes to Florida....."

(Edited by Chris)

Pat... i'm getting vibes of the battle we had with ML31 last year... LOL!

...Deja Vu?

10/8/08   |   Chris   |   3 respect

MannyStiles wrote:
What did they do with the Manny Merchandise? The same thing they did with their Nomar merchandise and Pedro Merchandise...

Let the NEXT 86 years begin!!!

dude, that has come and gone... let the 86 years go.... don't live in the past, it's not so pretty.

10/8/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

MannyStiles wrote:
Are you on Drugs? Or don't you know ANYTHING about the Rays' owner? Stu Sternberg and the ownership group has PLENTY of dough...  All of the key players are locked up longterm except for Upton and Navarro - who will both likely be re-signed.

PLUS, the Rays are one of the youngest teams in baseball, still have the best farm system and several of the top prospects in all of baseball.
 
Don't confuse fiscal responsibility with cheapness. And don't confuse your ability to speak with sheer ignorance as a form of expounding "knowledge".

You won't just be wrong in your assessment, you are already wrong and will continue to be VERY wrong for a long time...

I might be going out on a limb here, but perhaps he was responding to the statement "we all know what happens when a World Series comes to Florida....."

10/8/08   |   MannyStiles

kantwistaye wrote:
 Who thought before the season that a Tampa Bay Ray's post in October would have 65 comments on it?  Anyone who says they did is full of crap.

65 is half a cake walk... I'm not nicknamed "Dr. Commento" because I run out of things to say...

10/8/08   |   kantwistaye   |   4219 respect

 Who thought before the season that a Tampa Bay Ray's post in October would have 65 comments on it?  Anyone who says they did is full of crap.

10/8/08   |   MannyStiles

wrote:
They completely dismantle the team & become one of the worst teams in MLB over the next several seasons.

Are you on Drugs? Or don't you know ANYTHING about the Rays' owner? Stu Sternberg and the ownership group has PLENTY of dough...  All of the key players are locked up longterm except for Upton and Navarro - who will both likely be re-signed.

PLUS, the Rays are one of the youngest teams in baseball, still have the best farm system and several of the top prospects in all of baseball.
 
Don't confuse fiscal responsibility with cheapness. And don't confuse your ability to speak with sheer ignorance as a form of expounding "knowledge".

You won't just be wrong in your assessment, you are already wrong and will continue to be VERY wrong for a long time...

10/8/08   |   gmaned14

wrote:
They completely dismantle the team & become one of the worst teams in MLB over the next several seasons.

Until a bunch of hungry young players get together and beat a power house team like they did in 2003...... Watch your popcorn they might be hungry for it too.

10/8/08   |   gmaned14

Pat wrote:
The NL wins?

You are right Pat the NL did win but it was the young and the hungry who provided does wins and these Rays are that.

10/8/08   |   MannyStiles

Yeah, now that the Patriots bandwagon has a broken wheel, other bandwagons are picking up the slack..

If you REALLY want to educate yourself on what the Rays were doing coming into this season, here's your lesson:
www.armchairgm.com/Article:2008_Tampa_Bay_Rays_UltraMega_Preview_by_ManRays_%28Part_1_of_3%29

10/8/08   |   MannyStiles

losthope13 wrote:
... and with the "curse" lifted Red Sox fans are the equivalent of trendy Yankee fans acting as though it is acceptable to outspend the competition and consider your team admirable.  I call that buying your trophy....... but the Rays would actually earn it.  Bandwagon riding is the Red Sox fan's innate being, did you really believe it was a curse,  or better yet what to do with all the beloved Manny merchandise?  Hurry up and get aboard the forever changing bandwagon ride called Red Sox Nation!!!!!  Selling out game to game to keep up with the lack of integrity your team has toward real competitive sportsmanship and buying your way to "greatness"  Win or lose, how can you respect a team that has to buy its way to the top?  At least it can be called a magical run by the Rays as any run for the Red Sox can be called dull at best.  

What did they do with the Manny Merchandise? The same thing they did with their Nomar merchandise and Pedro Merchandise...

Let the NEXT 86 years begin!!!

10/8/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

Wow... it's amazing how many Rays fans are suddenly crawling out of the woodwork. If you guys need a crash course, here you go.

10/8/08   |   losthope13

sf351 wrote:

all you people on the rays back you probably didnt know 5 people on the team last year...your all on it cuz you wanna be a part of there magical run ....well thats about to end  there running into the world series champ 2 times of the past 4 years the best pitching staff out there and 5 guys in the lineup who can easily take anyone of the pitchers deep..oh yeah hope david price works out seeing how hes pitched about 12 innings in his career and how u call him a legend considering hes about 22

(Edited by losthope13)

... and with the "curse" lifted Red Sox fans are the equivalent of trendy Yankee fans acting as though it is acceptable to outspend the competition and consider your team admirable.  I call that buying your trophy....... but the Rays would actually earn it.  Bandwagon riding is the Red Sox fan's innate being, did you really believe it was a curse,  or better yet what to do with all the beloved Manny merchandise?  Hurry up and get aboard the forever changing bandwagon ride called Red Sox Nation!!!!!  Selling out game to game to keep up with the lack of integrity your team has toward real competitive sportsmanship and buying your way to "greatness"  Win or lose, how can you respect a team that has to buy its way to the top?  At least it can be called a magical run by the Rays as any run for the Red Sox can be called dull at best.  

10/8/08   |   losthope13

MarkTheShark wrote:
So, the ALCS thread has 53 54 comments and the NLCS thread has ......3   um, where are the Dodger and Philly fans.....all getting ready for the Flyers and Kings openers I suppose
(Edited by losthope13)

The Rays story is nothing short of remarkable!  Living in Tampa during the formation of the current lineup allowed me to see the transformation of a team first hand.  The Rays may lack experience in the playoffs as it is a first, but regardless of history this is sure to be one of the most exciting ALCS in the history of baseball.  In a world where money dominates and the working class suffers at the hands of the capitalist, wouldn't it be nice to see a team that couldn't buy their way into the playoffs beat the Red Sox?  The Red Sox are just the new version of the Yankees and buy and sell their way to the top.  I don't think there is a player on the Rays that would give up their place on the team regardless of money.  The Rays have talent, speed, endurance and fight.  They are not going to lay down for the Red Sox, they are out to prove the world wrong.  Regardless of the outcome this series will not disappoint!  This might as well be the world series as the winner takes it all, but it will be nice to see Manny watch the former team celebrate if The Red Sox win.  Rays in 5

10/8/08   |   pritchxox8

 RAYSRAYSRAYS!!!!

THEY ARE 8-1 just at home! I'm going to the game sat & they better win! red sox are overrated and the rays deserve it more! 

10/8/08   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

So, the ALCS thread has 53 54 comments and the NLCS thread has ......3   um, where are the Dodger and Philly fans.....all getting ready for the Flyers and Kings openers I suppose

10/7/08   |   Chris   |   3 respect

The front page wants at least 4 more Sox-Angels duels... guess that was an oops. As for Tampa Bay, they are neck-and-neck with Boston talent-wise, but the veteran leadership combined with the developing youth of the Red Sox will be the trump card in this series. The Rays can hit, and they can pitch, but the Red Sox have those extra intangibles that will lift them over the Rays in this series. Boston has Varitek, who has been the best catcher guiding veteran starters and new growing starters like Lester and Matsuzaka. With the exceptional leadership also favoring the Red Sox, even though Tampa has the homefield, it's an edge for Boston to win the series. If they split the first two, Boston can easily sweep the homestand to close the series. I don't think so, i'm saying Boston in 6, but bias aside, the leadership and veteran support combined with so much more postseason experience, and "Red Sox" momentum [they topped the 100-win Angels, best in the MLB team], the Red Sox are the team to beat.

Good luck to Tampa Bay and also to Boston. This is going to be one hell of a series.

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

gmaned14 wrote:
The Rays will dominate this series in 5 games. They will win the ALCS and bring the World Series to Florida and we all know what happens when a World Series comes to Florida.....

The NL wins?

10/7/08   |   gmaned14

The Rays will dominate this series in 5 games. They will win the ALCS and bring the World Series to Florida and we all know what happens when a World Series comes to Florida.....

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
I know Pat, not even Valtrex can control you....

Yup... that's me... the gift that keeps on giving.

10/7/08   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

Pat wrote:
Remember XOSDER?

Well... don't worry... the Sox won't lose, and no matter what, you know I'll always be around.

I know Pat, not even Valtrex can control you....

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
ok and after the Sox lose..we...will...never...see.. you.. on..this..site ... again

Remember XOSDER?

Well... don't worry... the Sox won't lose, and no matter what, you know I'll always be around.

10/7/08   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

sf351 wrote:

all you people on the rays back you probably didnt know 5 people on the team last year...your all on it cuz you wanna be a part of there magical run ....well thats about to end  there running into the world series champ 2 times of the past 4 years the best pitching staff out there and 5 guys in the lineup who can easily take anyone of the pitchers deep..oh yeah hope david price works out seeing how hes pitched about 12 innings in his career and how u call him a legend considering hes about 22

ok and after the Sox lose..we...will...never...see.. you.. on..this..site ... again

10/7/08   |   sf351

all you people on the rays back you probably didnt know 5 people on the team last year...your all on it cuz you wanna be a part of there magical run ....well thats about to end  there running into the world series champ 2 times of the past 4 years the best pitching staff out there and 5 guys in the lineup who can easily take anyone of the pitchers deep..oh yeah hope david price works out seeing how hes pitched about 12 innings in his career and how u call him a legend considering hes about 22

10/7/08   |   sf351

ok

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
So what you are saying is    A) The Rays defeated the White Sox TOO EASILY
                                  B)The Rays leading the AL in walk-off wins and having the     best                                        record in 1-run games in the season is not having a knack for coming up big in big games. Alrighty then.
I take the Schuyler crack  back.
The Rays beat both Papelbon and Rivera this year. I think we both didn't watch the other team enough (except when they played each other) to form really solid, informed opinions about them. I know that's true with most Red Sox fans who just about all felt the Rays were a 'good little team.'
I'm not ashamed to admit: hell they OUGHTA be good, look at how many high draft picks are proving their worth: Upton (#2 overall) Longoria (#3 overall) Price (#1) Not that the new management hasn't struck gold with some of their free agent pickups off the scrap heap: Pena, Hinske, Percival and trades Kazmir, Bartlett, Wheeler but this team has had these young guys together (throw in Baldelli and Crawford) for a while now.

I think you're missing the point a bit. I am saying that the Rays finished off the White Sox just as easily as the Red Sox finished off the Angels, but it was far less impressive, since the White Sox were a far less impressive opponent. I think we can all agree on that.

And sorry, but even the best of regular season games don't compare to the postseason. This is another thing that we saw demonstrated beautifully with the Angels, who were among the league leaders in 1-run wins, and had so many close games that K-Rod was able to rack up a ton of saves without even pitching that well. And they lost in the playoffs to the Red Sox.

I'm not questioning the quality of the Rays' players, nor am I trying to downplay the season that they've had. I merely believe that the Red Sox are playing better right now, and are the better playoff team. And I believe that will be proven shortly.

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

MannyStiles wrote:

The regular season means SOMETHING - it means Home Field Advantage for the Rays...

You root for teams based on their fans? Yet you choose Red Sox fans??? Wow... that is an oxymoron. Get yourself a pink hat, STAT!

The regular season meant NOTHING in the ALDS.

10/7/08   |   MannyStiles

danny_n94 wrote:
 Clowns like you make it so easy to root against the Rays, If you knew anything I am not even a Sox fan, but will be rooting for them. I so want them to go down. Yes all the regular season means home field, and that worked wonders for the Angels and Cubs, right? 

I wear big shoes, love polka dotted shirts and have a red nose - so that makes me a clown?

I don't even have a blue mohawk (yet)!!!

Go ahead and root for Goliath, but please don't blame it on me - it has more to do with your inferiority complex, if anything. Attach yourselves to the "reigning champs"and bask in their reflected glow!!! Bask!!!

A new Ray of sunshine is upon the horizon and it will bring darkness to Boston!!!

Yeah, it's only Tuesday... this is gonna be fun.

10/7/08   |   Jengirrl   |   6930 respect

wrote:
The Rays have never been here. If you're basing continued success on a crappy and tired White Sox team without their best offensive player, good luck with that. I'll take experience over the fabricated 'holes' you're claiming will destroy Boston.

I think hope the Rays will win, but it's not going to be easy. The players should act like they've been here before, but the fans need to calm the hell down.

Like the restraint that Boston's fans have shown over the years?  Please!!  This is Tampa's first playoff run; let them enjoy it...however long it is!! =)

10/7/08   |   danny_n94   |   114 respect

MannyStiles wrote:

The regular season means SOMETHING - it means Home Field Advantage for the Rays...

You root for teams based on their fans? Yet you choose Red Sox fans??? Wow... that is an oxymoron. Get yourself a pink hat, STAT!

 Clowns like you make it so easy to root against the Rays, If you knew anything I am not even a Sox fan, but will be rooting for them. I so want them to go down. Yes all the regular season means home field, and that worked wonders for the Angels and Cubs, right? 

10/7/08   |   MannyStiles

danny_n94 wrote:
I will take the Sox in 6. The regular season doesnt mean squat now.

Plus some of the Rays fans act makes it easier for me to root for Boston

The regular season means SOMETHING - it means Home Field Advantage for the Rays...

You root for teams based on their fans? Yet you choose Red Sox fans??? Wow... that is an oxymoron. Get yourself a pink hat, STAT!

10/7/08   |   danny_n94   |   114 respect

I will take the Sox in 6. The regular season doesnt mean squat now.

Plus some of the Rays fans act makes it easier for me to root for Boston

10/7/08   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

Pat wrote:
Did you see very many fans at ALL at the Trop in 2000?

Not too many, no...but it was easier to get a beer and go pee  ...lol

10/7/08   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

Pat wrote:
Mark... I respect your opinion (a lot more than some other peoples, who will remain nameless), but the illusion that the Rays played better in the ALDS can easily be attributed to the fact that they played an injury-depleted and worn-out Chicago team, while the Sox played the team with the best record in baseball, who had ample time to set up their pitching rotation to their ideal conditions.

Don't get me wrong... I have nothing against the Rays. In the end, I will be rooting for the winner of this series to win it all, even if it's the Rays. I have said from the start that if the Sox don't win the WS, I want the Rays to do it. They DO have the talent, and they ARE capable.

But honestly, I don't like their chances right now. The Red Sox have many players who have a knack for coming up big in big games. The Rays, quite frankly, don't. At least not yet. Maybe this series will change that, but I doubt it.

So what you are saying is    A) The Rays defeated the White Sox TOO EASILY
                                  B)The Rays leading the AL in walk-off wins and having the     best                                        record in 1-run games in the season is not having a knack for coming up big in big games. Alrighty then.
I take the Schuyler crack  back.
The Rays beat both Papelbon and Rivera this year. I think we both didn't watch the other team enough (except when they played each other) to form really solid, informed opinions about them. I know that's true with most Red Sox fans who just about all felt the Rays were a 'good little team.'
I'm not ashamed to admit: hell they OUGHTA be good, look at how many high draft picks are proving their worth: Upton (#2 overall) Longoria (#3 overall) Price (#1) Not that the new management hasn't struck gold with some of their free agent pickups off the scrap heap: Pena, Hinske, Percival and trades Kazmir, Bartlett, Wheeler but this team has had these young guys together (throw in Baldelli and Crawford) for a while now.

10/7/08   |   MannyStiles

MarkTheShark wrote:
It's funny you talk about bandwagons...when I had season tickets in 2000 I never saw very many Sawx fans at the Trop....but after their World Series win suddenly you see 7500 or more of them...I never saw any Red Sox bumper stickers suddenly they were everywhere in FL. Now in the last series here at the Trop there were fewer than 5000 again (liked the one that got taken away by security "Don't taze me bro) The Yankee fans here in the Bay area have always been here, the Red Sox fans are as bandwagon as they come. Also Yankee fans are more knowledgable about the game.

"Red Sox fans are as bandwagon as they come. Also Yankee fans are more knowledgable about the game."

Truer words have never been spoken.

10/7/08   |   MannyStiles

Pat wrote:
Yes. 14 innings into his career, let's give him "legend" status. Because people like you are ALWAYS right when you say stuff like that.

"people like me"?

Trust me when I say this - there are no other people like me!

I've only said it once, so when he becomes a legend, yes, I will ALWAYS be right, won't I?

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
It's funny you talk about bandwagons...when I had season tickets in 2000 I never saw very many Sawx fans at the Trop....but after their World Series win suddenly you see 7500 or more of them...I never saw any Red Sox bumper stickers suddenly they were everywhere in FL. Now in the last series here at the Trop there were fewer than 5000 again (liked the one that got taken away by security "Don't taze me bro) The Yankee fans here in the Bay area have always been here, the Red Sox fans are as bandwagon as they come. Also Yankee fans are more knowledgable about the game.

Did you see very many fans at ALL at the Trop in 2000?

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

Yes. 14 innings into his career, let's give him "legend" status. Because people like you are ALWAYS right when you say stuff like that.

10/7/08   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

sf351 wrote:
you have to be dumb to think the sox wont take this one..experience best pitching staff..and jon lester will win both his starts regradless as he is becomnig one of the best pitchers in the MLB..so go and ride the on the banwagon of the rays as they werent supposed to be here at the start of the season..but when push comes to shove...the sox in 6

It's funny you talk about bandwagons...when I had season tickets in 2000 I never saw very many Sawx fans at the Trop....but after their World Series win suddenly you see 7500 or more of them...I never saw any Red Sox bumper stickers suddenly they were everywhere in FL. Now in the last series here at the Trop there were fewer than 5000 again (liked the one that got taken away by security "Don't taze me bro) The Yankee fans here in the Bay area have always been here, the Red Sox fans are as bandwagon as they come. Also Yankee fans are more knowledgable about the game.

10/7/08   |   MannyStiles

Pat wrote:
Yes... David Price is going to go straight from AA and mow down one of the the best lineups in baseball in the ALCS.

I'll believe it when me s*** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert.

You better like the smell of rainbow sherbert! It's gonna look like you're drowning Barney every time you sit down on the toilet for the next 12-15 years!

He's no ordinary "rookie", he's a legend in the making in his first season.

Price did have a stop in AAA before coming to Tampa Bay, and he started the season at Single A ball, but who's counting? And yes, IF the Rays need him, he WILL mow the Red Sox down...

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

Yes... David Price is going to go straight from AA and mow down one of the the best lineups in baseball in the ALCS.

I'll believe it when me s*** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert.

10/7/08   |   MannyStiles

Pat wrote:
"WHO CARES what either team did what in the ALDS - what are they going to do against each other?"

I've already told you. The Red Sox are going to beat the Rays in 6 games.

"It's times like this that "experience" does play a factor - as in my "experience"... I've been watching (as well as playing) baseball since before you were born."

Then why are you still so clueless?

"I'm not trying to be arrogant or "better than you" but I really don't think you have a very objective opinion on this series. I watched EVERY SINGLE Rays-Red Sox game this year but one... that was in Spring Training. In all honesty, if I was even slightlky nervous about the Rays chances in this series, I would say so..."

You wouldn't say so. And if you're not even slightly nervous, then you're just not smart enough to realize what's going on.

"They slayed the dragon. The Rays won the AL East. They took on the Yankees AND Red Sox and didn't back down. They won at Fenway. They BEAT Papelbon in his home park with two XBH in one inning - how many others times has that happened? None."

The Red Sox have played MUCH better so far in the playoffs than they did in the regular season. And you already said that how these teams played in the ALDS doesn't matter. So how can you sit there and dwell on what happened in the regular season? Ask the Angels how their regular season performance against the Red Sox worked out for them.

"They BEAT the Red Sox in September - when the Rays were slumping, without Longoria, without Crawford and mostly without Upton while the Red Sox were playing their BEST baseball of the season (Only the Astros had more wins in August and September than the Sawx)... and the Rays beat them 4 of 6 in VERY close games. Close games are what Playoff games are made of... oh yeah, the Rays led the Majors in one run victories, comeback victories AND last AB victories this season... THAT is the kind of experience a team needs come October - a BELIEF that they can win no matter what."

The Angels beat the Sox 8 out of 9 times. Look where that got them.

"The Rays aren't afraid of the Red Sox in the least. You're about to get an education in baseball history and in reality."

No one is asking for the Rays to be scared. They shouldn't be. They're a major league baseball team. The fact that the word "scared" is even in your vocabulary is a testament to the low expectation levels you have for your team.

Also, please explain to me how, even IF the Rays win, it would have anything to do with a baseball history lesson? You don't even make sense. You just spout out random crap, and hope no one pays attention.

"Teams that have seasons like the Rays had this season tend to carry that through October, not just to it. They've been proving themselves since March, why would they stop now?"

Because they're facing a better team. Right now, the Red Sox are playing better than the Rays, plain and simple. Deal with it, get used to it, and accept it. Maybe next year, Rays fans.

Pat, you're being ridiculous and acting like a typical thinks-he-knows-it-all Boston fan. You really don't know me, do you? If there was a shred of doubt, I'd tell you.

Turn around whatever I say that you want. Read it again next week and it will "magically" be much more clear to you. The Red Sox blew their load to beat the Angels. The Rays still have all their tricks up their sleeves. Hell, David Price hasn't even had to throw a pitch yet!!!

(Remember when I told you all about him and you said "He hasn't even thrown pitch in the majors yet"??? You're gonna get a dose of him in this series and you're gonna crap your pants worrying about him for the next decade and a half)

Attempting to shout me down - plain and simple, deal with it, get used to it and all your other cliches too - isn't going to help the Red Sox even a little bit.

And yes, the Rays will be here next year, too.

Let's let the games speak for us now!

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
That was one of your least intelligent comebacks ever Pat...I'm surprised...that was so bad you sounded like Schuyler....OUCH!
One could easily argue the Rays are playing better than the Sox. Both teams played two homes and two aways Rays scored more runs and Boston's bullpen gave up 5 to TB's 1. The starting pitching will about a wash as both team's hitters will get both team's starters in trouble with high pitch counts. It will come down to players like Okajima (horrible in the DS) DelCarmen (the Rays own him) vs. JP Howell (can go 2/3 or 2 and 2/3) and Grant Balfour ( he of the cursing everyone and throwing heat). I like the Rays chances...
Rays in seven unless they take the first two at the Trop then I like the Rays in six


Mark... I respect your opinion (a lot more than some other peoples, who will remain nameless), but the illusion that the Rays played better in the ALDS can easily be attributed to the fact that they played an injury-depleted and worn-out Chicago team, while the Sox played the team with the best record in baseball, who had ample time to set up their pitching rotation to their ideal conditions.

Don't get me wrong... I have nothing against the Rays. In the end, I will be rooting for the winner of this series to win it all, even if it's the Rays. I have said from the start that if the Sox don't win the WS, I want the Rays to do it. They DO have the talent, and they ARE capable.

But honestly, I don't like their chances right now. The Red Sox have many players who have a knack for coming up big in big games. The Rays, quite frankly, don't. At least not yet. Maybe this series will change that, but I doubt it.

10/7/08   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

Pat wrote:
"WHO CARES what either team did what in the ALDS - what are they going to do against each other?"

I've already told you. The Red Sox are going to beat the Rays in 6 games.

"It's times like this that "experience" does play a factor - as in my "experience"... I've been watching (as well as playing) baseball since before you were born."

Then why are you still so clueless?

"I'm not trying to be arrogant or "better than you" but I really don't think you have a very objective opinion on this series. I watched EVERY SINGLE Rays-Red Sox game this year but one... that was in Spring Training. In all honesty, if I was even slightlky nervous about the Rays chances in this series, I would say so..."

You wouldn't say so. And if you're not even slightly nervous, then you're just not smart enough to realize what's going on.

"They slayed the dragon. The Rays won the AL East. They took on the Yankees AND Red Sox and didn't back down. They won at Fenway. They BEAT Papelbon in his home park with two XBH in one inning - how many others times has that happened? None."

The Red Sox have played MUCH better so far in the playoffs than they did in the regular season. And you already said that how these teams played in the ALDS doesn't matter. So how can you sit there and dwell on what happened in the regular season? Ask the Angels how their regular season performance against the Red Sox worked out for them.

"They BEAT the Red Sox in September - when the Rays were slumping, without Longoria, without Crawford and mostly without Upton while the Red Sox were playing their BEST baseball of the season (Only the Astros had more wins in August and September than the Sawx)... and the Rays beat them 4 of 6 in VERY close games. Close games are what Playoff games are made of... oh yeah, the Rays led the Majors in one run victories, comeback victories AND last AB victories this season... THAT is the kind of experience a team needs come October - a BELIEF that they can win no matter what."

The Angels beat the Sox 8 out of 9 times. Look where that got them.

"The Rays aren't afraid of the Red Sox in the least. You're about to get an education in baseball history and in reality."

No one is asking for the Rays to be scared. They shouldn't be. They're a major league baseball team. The fact that the word "scared" is even in your vocabulary is a testament to the low expectation levels you have for your team.

Also, please explain to me how, even IF the Rays win, it would have anything to do with a baseball history lesson? You don't even make sense. You just spout out random crap, and hope no one pays attention.

"Teams that have seasons like the Rays had this season tend to carry that through October, not just to it. They've been proving themselves since March, why would they stop now?"

Because they're facing a better team. Right now, the Red Sox are playing better than the Rays, plain and simple. Deal with it, get used to it, and accept it. Maybe next year, Rays fans.

That was one of your least intelligent comebacks ever Pat...I'm surprised...that was so bad you sounded like Schuyler....OUCH!
One could easily argue the Rays are playing better than the Sox. Both teams played two homes and two aways Rays scored more runs and Boston's bullpen gave up 5 to TB's 1. The starting pitching will about a wash as both team's hitters will get both team's starters in trouble with high pitch counts. It will come down to players like Okajima (horrible in the DS) DelCarmen (the Rays own him) vs. JP Howell (can go 2/3 or 2 and 2/3) and Grant Balfour ( he of the cursing everyone and throwing heat). I like the Rays chances...
Rays in seven unless they take the first two at the Trop then I like the Rays in six


10/7/08   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

Eric_ wrote:
I'm not saying this is a battle between good and evil, but..well, I don't know how to finish that sentence.

That's a post i'll be doing on Thursday.

10/7/08   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

I'm not saying this is a battle between good and evil, but..well, I don't know how to finish that sentence.

10/7/08   |   MannyStiles

I'm not "riding the bandwagon", I was picked to drive it...

And yes, I actually DID say the Rays were going to be here this year. None of this has been a surprise to me - or the Rays players or management.

Keep squawking, Boston Sports fans... Just make sure your words are sweet because you'll be eating them soon enough.

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

MannyStiles wrote:
"You're in for a rude awakening, and I hope you realize how badly I will rub your arrogance in your face when the Rays lose in 5 or 6 games."

OK... (yawn)

Impressions don't win games... scoring more runs does.

WHO CARES what either team did what in the ALDS - what are they going to do against each other?

It's times like this that "experience" does play a factor - as in my "experience"... I've been watching (as well as playing) baseball since before you were born. 

I'm not trying to be arrogant or "better than you" but I really don't think you have a very objective opinion on this series. I watched EVERY SINGLE Rays-Red Sox game this year but one... that was in Spring Training. In all honesty, if I was even slightlky nervous about the Rays chances in this series, I would say so...

They slayed the dragon. The Rays won the AL East. They took on the Yankees AND Red Sox and didn't back down. They won at Fenway. They BEAT Papelbon in his home park with two XBH in one inning - how many others times has that happened? None.

They BEAT the Red Sox in September - when the Rays were slumping, without Longoria, without Crawford and mostly without Upton while the Red Sox were playing their BEST baseball of the season (Only the Astros had more wins in August and September than the Sawx)... and the Rays beat them 4 of 6 in VERY close games. Close games are what Playoff games are made of... oh yeah, the Rays led the Majors in one run victories, comeback victories AND last AB victories this season... THAT is the kind of experience a team needs come October - a BELIEF that they can win no matter what.

The Rays aren't afraid of the Red Sox in the least. You're about to get an education in baseball history and in reality. Teams that have seasons like the Rays had this season tend to carry that through October, not just to it. They've been proving themselves since March, why would they stop now?

"WHO CARES what either team did what in the ALDS - what are they going to do against each other?"

I've already told you. The Red Sox are going to beat the Rays in 6 games.

"It's times like this that "experience" does play a factor - as in my "experience"... I've been watching (as well as playing) baseball since before you were born."

Then why are you still so clueless?

"I'm not trying to be arrogant or "better than you" but I really don't think you have a very objective opinion on this series. I watched EVERY SINGLE Rays-Red Sox game this year but one... that was in Spring Training. In all honesty, if I was even slightlky nervous about the Rays chances in this series, I would say so..."

You wouldn't say so. And if you're not even slightly nervous, then you're just not smart enough to realize what's going on.

"They slayed the dragon. The Rays won the AL East. They took on the Yankees AND Red Sox and didn't back down. They won at Fenway. They BEAT Papelbon in his home park with two XBH in one inning - how many others times has that happened? None."

The Red Sox have played MUCH better so far in the playoffs than they did in the regular season. And you already said that how these teams played in the ALDS doesn't matter. So how can you sit there and dwell on what happened in the regular season? Ask the Angels how their regular season performance against the Red Sox worked out for them.

"They BEAT the Red Sox in September - when the Rays were slumping, without Longoria, without Crawford and mostly without Upton while the Red Sox were playing their BEST baseball of the season (Only the Astros had more wins in August and September than the Sawx)... and the Rays beat them 4 of 6 in VERY close games. Close games are what Playoff games are made of... oh yeah, the Rays led the Majors in one run victories, comeback victories AND last AB victories this season... THAT is the kind of experience a team needs come October - a BELIEF that they can win no matter what."

The Angels beat the Sox 8 out of 9 times. Look where that got them.

"The Rays aren't afraid of the Red Sox in the least. You're about to get an education in baseball history and in reality."

No one is asking for the Rays to be scared. They shouldn't be. They're a major league baseball team. The fact that the word "scared" is even in your vocabulary is a testament to the low expectation levels you have for your team.

Also, please explain to me how, even IF the Rays win, it would have anything to do with a baseball history lesson? You don't even make sense. You just spout out random crap, and hope no one pays attention.

"Teams that have seasons like the Rays had this season tend to carry that through October, not just to it. They've been proving themselves since March, why would they stop now?"

Because they're facing a better team. Right now, the Red Sox are playing better than the Rays, plain and simple. Deal with it, get used to it, and accept it. Maybe next year, Rays fans.

10/7/08   |   sf351

sox in 6   to much experience   pedoria has 3 off days to get his swing back to form and the pitching staff led by lester who is unbelivable in the post season and dice k who went 18-3...pitch them 7 innings each night papelbon to close it out...enough of the rays beleivers this is were there magical ride ends

10/7/08   |   sf351

you have to be dumb to think the sox wont take this one..experience best pitching staff..and jon lester will win both his starts regradless as he is becomnig one of the best pitchers in the MLB..so go and ride the on the banwagon of the rays as they werent supposed to be here at the start of the season..but when push comes to shove...the sox in 6

10/7/08   |   hartley51592   |   2462 respect

MannyStiles wrote:
Ummm... Matsuzaka has never pitched on 3 days rest in his career and his career splits indicate that he is MUCH more effective on five (3.41 in 150.1 IP) or even SIX (3.22 in 64 IP) days rest than on four (4.22 in 158 IP).

I REALLY wish you were the manager of the Red Sox...

"The Red Sox will be fine"

With No Mike Lowell and a weaker 1B in Kotsay? JD Drew still isn't 100% no matter what he says and Jacoby Ellensbury isn't the same lucky bastard he was last year...

Say "fine" all you want, but in reality, they are giving up advantages to the Rays all over the field (including Home Field Advantage) - the Sawx are in deep doo doo...

you can't tell me that kotsay is bad at 1B with the plays he made last night. he made high quality plays for being inexperienced at first. Inexperience will no doubt hinder the Rays. Yes, your history lesson does prove some things, but for a team never in the playoffs before? The D-Backs had more than enough leadership with Randy Johnson and Schlling, plus Craig Counsell and Luis Gonzalez. I couldn't tell you about the Angels though, because i dont know enough of their WS roster.

10/7/08   |   MannyStiles

"You're in for a rude awakening, and I hope you realize how badly I will rub your arrogance in your face when the Rays lose in 5 or 6 games."

OK... (yawn)

Impressions don't win games... scoring more runs does.

WHO CARES what either team did what in the ALDS - what are they going to do against each other?

It's times like this that "experience" does play a factor - as in my "experience"... I've been watching (as well as playing) baseball since before you were born. 

I'm not trying to be arrogant or "better than you" but I really don't think you have a very objective opinion on this series. I watched EVERY SINGLE Rays-Red Sox game this year but one... that was in Spring Training. In all honesty, if I was even slightlky nervous about the Rays chances in this series, I would say so...

They slayed the dragon. The Rays won the AL East. They took on the Yankees AND Red Sox and didn't back down. They won at Fenway. They BEAT Papelbon in his home park with two XBH in one inning - how many others times has that happened? None.

They BEAT the Red Sox in September - when the Rays were slumping, without Longoria, without Crawford and mostly without Upton while the Red Sox were playing their BEST baseball of the season (Only the Astros had more wins in August and September than the Sawx)... and the Rays beat them 4 of 6 in VERY close games. Close games are what Playoff games are made of... oh yeah, the Rays led the Majors in one run victories, comeback victories AND last AB victories this season... THAT is the kind of experience a team needs come October - a BELIEF that they can win no matter what.

The Rays aren't afraid of the Red Sox in the least. You're about to get an education in baseball history and in reality. Teams that have seasons like the Rays had this season tend to carry that through October, not just to it. They've been proving themselves since March, why would they stop now?

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

MannyStiles wrote:
"Ummm... Nearly the entire Rays' roster has never played in an ALCS. What's your point?"

My point is the past results mean nothing. Each team is 0-0 going into the series. Experience doesn't win games scoring more runs than the other team does.

If "experience" was so neccessary than the Yankees would have won every World Series this decade, right. The Braves would have won every World Series in the 90's... 

The 2001 Diamondbacks had never played in an CS, the players on the 2002 Angels never played in a CS, the players on the '03 Marlins, the '05 White Sox... yeah, recent history indicates that "experience in the playoffs" is SUCH a neccessity, doesn't it?

Did YOU just start watching baseball in 2007?

BTW how many of the of the 2004 W.S. Champs Red Sox were on the team last year? Four - Manny, Papi, Cueballis and Wakefield. So even the Red Sox last year had some inexperience - Pedroia, Ellsbury, Lester, Matsuzaka, Papelbon, Drew, Cora, Okajima, Crisp, and Julio Lugo  had "never been there before" in a ALCS yet they did just fine, eh?

What about the Red Sox who have "never been there" this year? Jed Lowrie has no experience, OH! No!!!  Is Jason Bay going to suddenly forget how to play because of his inexperience? Is Mark Kotsay "experienced" enough?

Play the experience card ALL YOU WANT - the Rays will give the Red Sox the experience of LOSING the ALCS...

There's far too many assumptions going on in this series - ask yourself ONE SIMPLE QUESTION - who is the better team?

I can't WAIT to get this over with...

"There's far too many assumptions going on in this series - ask yourself ONE SIMPLE QUESTION - who is the better team?"

Honestly, I believe it's the Red Sox. I haven't been impressed ENOUGH with the Rays to believe that they can win this series. Have I been impressed? Yes. But mostly because expectations were for another underachieving year, like they've always had.

The Red Sox beat arguably the best team in baseball in their divisional series. The Rays beat arguable the worst team in the playoffs, who were worn out after having to play extra games just to get in. Personally, I believe Jon Lester is better than any pitcher on the Rays' staff, Daisuke is as good as anything the Rays have to offer, and Beckett will have some time to rest up, and will be back to his normal postseason self. Tim Wakefield will be able to eat innings whenever the Sox need him to, and aside from the one hit by Aaron Boone, he has been a very good pitcher in LCS games.

The Sox' lineup, even without Lowell, is stacked. And it's stacked with guys who have hit well in the postseason, not only in the past, but this year as well. Jason Bay has been great, Jacoby is still solid, Youkilis is an excellent hitter, Pedroia is turning the corner, JD Drew can provide the big hit when needed, and Jed Lowrie also showed an ability to come through in the clutch.

You're in for a rude awakening, and I hope you realize how badly I will rub your arrogance in your face when the Rays lose in 5 or 6 games.

10/7/08   |   MannyStiles

"Ummm... Nearly the entire Rays' roster has never played in an ALCS. What's your point?"

My point is the past results mean nothing. Each team is 0-0 going into the series. Experience doesn't win games scoring more runs than the other team does.

If "experience" was so neccessary than the Yankees would have won every World Series this decade, right. The Braves would have won every World Series in the 90's... 

The 2001 Diamondbacks had never played in an CS, the players on the 2002 Angels never played in a CS, the players on the '03 Marlins, the '05 White Sox... yeah, recent history indicates that "experience in the playoffs" is SUCH a neccessity, doesn't it?

Did YOU just start watching baseball in 2007?

BTW how many of the of the 2004 W.S. Champs Red Sox were on the team last year? Four - Manny, Papi, Cueballis and Wakefield. So even the Red Sox last year had some inexperience - Pedroia, Ellsbury, Lester, Matsuzaka, Papelbon, Drew, Cora, Okajima, Crisp, and Julio Lugo  had "never been there before" in a ALCS yet they did just fine, eh?

What about the Red Sox who have "never been there" this year? Jed Lowrie has no experience, OH! No!!!  Is Jason Bay going to suddenly forget how to play because of his inexperience? Is Mark Kotsay "experienced" enough?

Play the experience card ALL YOU WANT - the Rays will give the Red Sox the experience of LOSING the ALCS...

There's far too many assumptions going on in this series - ask yourself ONE SIMPLE QUESTION - who is the better team?

I can't WAIT to get this over with...

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

wrote:
How does not having to force a 50% Mike Lowell into the lineup HAMPER the Red Sox, anyway?

Crazy part is... he went 0-8 in 2 games, and the Sox still won one of them pretty easily, and if not for Mike Napoli having the game of his life, they would have won the other one as well. Even with Mike Lowell at his worst, the Red Sox are capable of beating anyone in the league... including the team with the best record in baseball in the regular season, and the team who had owned the Red Sox unlike any other team in the league.

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

MannyStiles wrote:
Ummm... Matsuzaka has never pitched on 3 days rest in his career and his career splits indicate that he is MUCH more effective on five (3.41 in 150.1 IP) or even SIX (3.22 in 64 IP) days rest than on four (4.22 in 158 IP).

I REALLY wish you were the manager of the Red Sox...

"The Red Sox will be fine"

With No Mike Lowell and a weaker 1B in Kotsay? JD Drew still isn't 100% no matter what he says and Jacoby Ellensbury isn't the same lucky bastard he was last year...

Say "fine" all you want, but in reality, they are giving up advantages to the Rays all over the field (including Home Field Advantage) - the Sawx are in deep doo doo...

Ummm... Nearly the entire Rays' roster has never played in an ALCS. What's your point?

How did home field advantage work out for the Angels?

It's obvious to anyone who isn't blinded by bias that the Red Sox are playing better right now than they've played all year. When the playoffs roll around, no one is immune to this team, and no one can put them in the "deep doo doo" that you seem to think that they are in, especially not before the series even starts.

I'd love to hear how you think that Jacoby Ellsbury isn't playing as well as last year. He's batting .333, and was a huge reason the Sox won game 1.

Sometimes, you sound kinda smart. But sometimes, you just go way past the line of intelligence, make too many reaches with your blinders on, and you just start to sound like a guy who just started watching baseball this past May.

10/7/08   |   MannyStiles

Pat wrote:
The ALDS ended on Monday night. The ALCS begins on Thursday. Even if Francona DOES stick with the 3-man rotation, and doesn't tweak it at all, it will be:

Matsuzaka on 6 days rest
Beckett on 5 days rest
Lester on 6 days rest
Matsuzaka on 3 days rest
Beckett on 4 days rest
Lester on 4 days rest
Matsuzaka 4 on days rest

So in all reality, the only pitcher that would go on short rest would be Matsuzaka for one outing. Beyond that, they will be working on normal or extra rest. I suppose I could have mentioned that, but to be honest, one outing on 3 days' rest for Daisuke is hardly worth concern. That guy's problem isn't pitch count or getting enough rest. It's keeping the walks down, and keeping runners off base.

The Red Sox will be fine.

Ummm... Matsuzaka has never pitched on 3 days rest in his career and his career splits indicate that he is MUCH more effective on five (3.41 in 150.1 IP) or even SIX (3.22 in 64 IP) days rest than on four (4.22 in 158 IP).

I REALLY wish you were the manager of the Red Sox...

"The Red Sox will be fine"

With No Mike Lowell and a weaker 1B in Kotsay? JD Drew still isn't 100% no matter what he says and Jacoby Ellensbury isn't the same lucky bastard he was last year...

Say "fine" all you want, but in reality, they are giving up advantages to the Rays all over the field (including Home Field Advantage) - the Sawx are in deep doo doo...

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

100%InjuryRate wrote:
Rays baby. Rays all the way.

Booooooo!!!

10/7/08   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

Rays baby. Rays all the way.

10/7/08   |   Pat   |   5235 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
Each team will win once in the other's park. Rays win game 7 with a resounding run away win at the Trop.
Curious that you didn't address the Red Sox plan for starting pitching, Pat. Jon Lester is no Curt Schilling. It will definitely catchup with all three of those Red Sox pitchers if Francona continues with three man rotation. Beckett's been ailing all year and the Rays have handled him. Matsuzaka throws a large pitch count every time out as it is, and while I think Lester is awesome, so is CC Sabathia and ask the Brewers how that worked out in the end.

The ALDS ended on Monday night. The ALCS begins on Thursday. Even if Francona DOES stick with the 3-man rotation, and doesn't tweak it at all, it will be:

Matsuzaka on 6 days rest
Beckett on 5 days rest
Lester on 6 days rest
Matsuzaka on 3 days rest
Beckett on 4 days rest
Lester on 4 days rest
Matsuzaka 4 on days rest

So in all reality, the only pitcher that would go on short rest would be Matsuzaka for one outing. Beyond that, they will be working on normal or extra rest. I suppose I could have mentioned that, but to be honest, one outing on 3 days' rest for Daisuke is hardly worth concern. That guy's problem isn't pitch count or getting enough rest. It's keeping the walks down, and keeping runners off base.

The Red Sox will be fine.

10/7/08   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

Each team will win once in the other's park. Rays win game 7 with a resounding run away win at the Trop.
Curious that you didn't address the Red Sox plan for starting pitching, Pat. Jon Lester is no Curt Schilling. It will definitely catchup with all three of those Red Sox pitchers if Francona continues with three man rotation. Beckett's been ailing all year and the Rays have handled him. Matsuzaka throws a large pitch count every time out as it is, and while I think Lester is awesome, so is CC Sabathia and ask the Brewers how that worked out in the end.