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Brand Loyalty and the Fan
by badsam1956
5/30/08

With the introduction of the Toyota into the Sprint Cup mix last year, I wondered if brand loyalty means anything today in NASCAR. I grew up in a MOPAR family with a parent that owned and ran a Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth dealership. So, I was indoctrinated early in life to factory auto racing. I attended many NASCAR events as guest of either Dodge or Plymouth and met many of the drivers of that era. In those days as today a driver would go from team to team if they didn’t own their own team. I remember Bobby Allison driving the 22 Dodge and as soon as he went to Chevrolet, I didn’t pull for him to win. The reason was easy for me. Bobby had deserted my manufacturer and gone over to an enemy camp. The reasons for him leaving were simple in those days. Chevrolet having spent more money influenced NASCAR into ruling the big block engines such as the HEMI and the BOSS out of competition. The small block ruled and Chevrolet was the so-called king of the hill in that category. The company also went after the best drivers of that day and only the most steadfast Ford and MOPAR teams stuck it out. So why are we so irritated at Toyota for doing the very same thing today?


I can on surmise that fans are more brands affected than even they believed. I am a great MOPAR fan and get very excited when a Dodge pulls into the Winners Circle. I am also a Kyle Bush fan and I enjoy one of his wins as well, but if Kyle and his brother Kurt are battling neck to neck, I have to pull for Kurt because he drives a Dodge. I have heard a few of Tony Stewart’s fans belittle him now because he drives a Toyota. I tell them to get a grip, because Stewart has a contract and drives whatever his team fields. Gibbs Racing is who jumped ship and Tony has no say about it. The bigger question is why Gibbs jumped ship. I heard the same story when Bill Elliot jumped the Ford ship for Dodge and the same for Kurt Busch. It isn’t a bit difference than when Chevrolet started buying teams to race for them. Now, top ranked Chevrolet teams are feeling the bite. Fans don’t seem to understand how important the manufacturer battle is to NASCAR.


If all of the manufacturers pull out and leave a generic design to race, then you have a situation much like the IRL-CART series. They have a basic generic car to race that has proven to be extremely boring. All cars at this year’s Indianapolis 500 were powered by a Honda engine, Dallara chassis and used Firestone tires. Yet when all was said and done, the winner was still the team that had the most resources. It had little to do with driver skill or even his make of engine/chassis. Yet in the old days, the Indy 500 was filled with different engines, chassis and even tire companies. It was exciting then. Every year a big deal was made of the different combinations. Stock-block, Offenhouser, Lotus, turbine, turbocharged, supercharged and many other engine designs were there. Many of the teams also offered chassis designs. Chaparral, Coyote, Lotus, McLaren, and home builds were prevalent and part of the stories coming out of Gasoline Alley. Unfortunately, NASCAR has wanted to follow the IRL lead in recent years with the COT and eventual generic engine for all teams. Chassis design has already become virtually generic with all teams running the same suspensions. I don’t know about anyone else, but I have no desire to watch generic cars in a so-called “STOCK CAR,” series.


So when you watch a NASCAR race, think back to this blog and see if you really care or not. Manufacturers are very important and brand loyalty is the most important aspect of “STOCK CAR,” racing. Cheer for your favorite driver, but also recognize the brand he drives. It is important to NASCAR and it is important to the future health of this sport. Don’t look upon Toyota as the worse thing to happen to NASCAR. Welcome them warmly and then demand from your favorite manufacturer more participation. Ask GM why they pulled Pontiac, Buick or Oldsmobile out of NASCAR, ask Ford why they discontinued their Mercury racing program, and ask Chrysler why they discontinued the Plymouth brand. It is all related to how NASCAR does business. NASCAR is as bad as a $10 whore is, when it comes to taking money from a manufacture. They play a favorites game depending on the money put into their coffer. Years ago, it was GM, then Ford, then back to GM with the Chevrolet and now it is Toyota pouring money to NASCAR. NASCAR should be impartial.


So support your favorite brand and pray that NASCAR will one day be ripped from the grip of the greedy France family. Hope that one day, NASCAR will have an impartial board with a real commissioner so they can be the premier auto sport on the planet. Until that day comes, be prepared for domination from whichever manufacturer can pay the France’s the most cash. You can also be assured that many people will laugh at NASCAR as being a non-sport until that event takes place. As Tony Stewart alleged last season, NASCAR works a lot like pro wrestling with NASCAR dictating the winners. Tony was told to shut up or not race. Well racing is Tony’s business so he shut up. But was he wrong? 


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Brand Loyalty and the Fan
The France family has run NASCAR since its beginning in 1948. After running NASCAR as a virtual Monarchy it is (more...)
(Q1 of 3) Should NASCAR be independent of control by the France family?
8% Yes
38% No
27% Not Yet
4% Badly Overdue
23% No Opinion
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Asked 5/30/08

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In racing, the teams with the most resources always win regardless of how many manufacturers there are. In F1, it's the two teams; in IndyCar, it's the top three; and in NASCAR, it's the top six or seven (I checked, only six teams won in 2007).

Second, Scott Dixon *is* one of the best drivers in IndyCar. He might be the best period. The car helped, as it always does, but Dixon is far from a slouch in the cockpit.

Third, IndyCar did not choose to be a spec series. Every other manufacturer other than Honda and Dallara left open wheel. Hopefully with unification, new manufacturers will come into the series when the new car debuts in 2010 or 2011.

Finally, as great as all those manufacturers were, there are two advantages to a spec series. One, the cars don't fail as much. There are very few engines failures in IndyCar. Two, and more importantly, the cars stay close together for the most part. In the olden days, they were many manufacturers, but people also won races by entire laps (I believe that was the case with NASCAR too, but I don't know for certain).

I don't know enough from the NASCAR end to comment on that, but I wanted to clear up some things from the IndyCar perspective.
 
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In racing, the teams with the most resources always win regardless of how many manufacturers there are. In F1, it's the two teams; in IndyCar, it's the top three; and in NASCAR, it's the top six or seven (I checked, only six teams won in 2007).

Second, Scott Dixon *is* one of the best drivers in IndyCar. He might be the best period. The car helped, as it always does, but Dixon is far from a slouch in the cockpit.

Third, IndyCar did not choose to be a spec series. Every other manufacturer other than Honda and Dallara left open wheel. Hopefully with unification, new manufacturers will come into the series when the new car debuts in 2010 or 2011.

Finally, as great as all those manufacturers were, there are two advantages to a spec series. One, the cars don't fail as much. There are very few engines failures in IndyCar. Two, and more importantly, the cars stay close together for the most part. In the olden days, they were many manufacturers, but people also won races by entire laps (I believe that was the case with NASCAR too, but I don't know for certain).

I don't know enough from the NASCAR end to comment on that, but I wanted to clear up some things from the IndyCar perspective.

In some ways I agree and disagree with you Eric. First thing first, the FIA or Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile rules F1, and they have for years favored the European manufacturers over anyone else. That is history that can be looked at and verified. http://217.204.13.141/index_1024.html is the FIA webpage and they have a history of the sport. No American has ever been welcomed with open arms over there and no non-European manufacturer has ever won the F1 Championship as far as I know. They are very inclusive when it concerns European manufacturers, but will penalize a non-European manufacturer with weight or some other means to slow them down. Who are the big dogs in F1? Ferrari, Mercedes-Benz, and BMW lead the pack with Renault trying to make up the field. Honda and Toyota with all of their resources are a second tier teams. There are no American manufacturers as the Ford engine that ruled for so many years are no longer competitive. Now the reasons are many folds. Engine size is restricted in the Ford, weight is added, and they are limited to a non-turbo engine. Therefore, you have NO Ford Cosworth engines any longer. Their Sports Car series is just as bad. Look at the rules if you like. Look at our American Le Mans series where many European and Japanese manufacturers are dominate. I’m an old SCCA racer and have had to deal with those A-holes when I wanted to race in Europe. I drove Datsun/Nissan Z cars in those days and the regs were not level as compared to a European make. Therefore, I don’t have much use for the FIA unless their organization is made the template for NASCAR.

As for Scott Dixon, he may be the best thing since sliced bread when it comes to a driver. I never disputed the fact he was good, what I said was all the teams running a Honda is plain assed boring to me. I love the diversity that was once the rule at Indy and all of the former USAC series. Money has the most influence in that series. The big three teams as you put it rule because of that money more than any other factor. I am very mechanically inclined and I look at such things. I was brought up that way. I don’t apologize for that in my character either. I love to go to Indy, walk through the museum, and look at the great diversity that was once Indy. You may love it today, but I absolutely hate it and apparently, I’m not alone. The IRL is about to go belly up. If it weren’t for the re-merger of IRL and CART, they would be looking to close the series within a couple years. That is a fact and it is being discussed over on their website. http://www.indycar.com/ is the IRL website if you’re interested. As for the IRL not being a spec series by choice, then you should go back and read some of the old press clippings when Chevrolet and Oldsmobile were there. Accusations of rule making to favor one manufacturer over another were very rampant. We have it nice in NASCAR right now. Wait until Toyota dominates the Cup series with their BS stolen race engine when the others are denied equal opportunity to design and use a new design. Have you wondered why Chevrolet was allowed the new R03 engine?

As for a spec engine, they can keep the series when that happens. “STOCK” car racing was about taking a vehicle off the showroom, modifying it and then racing. That means running an engine designed for the car that is running on the track. It doesn’t mean a pure race engine or a one manufacturer spec engine. They did that already, it was called IROC, and that is where that idea needs to stay. The car used today is about as close to a factory “STOCK,” car as a Piper Cub is to a F-16. Now I understand the need for safety, so I’ll give them all the safety gear they can have. What I don’t understand is the BS spouted by the NASCAR brass about cost. They say the new car can be run at any track and that’ll save the teams money. Well duh!! Back in the fifties and sixties, they did that all the time. The reason was simple, 75% of the teams couldn’t afford to run more than one car, and the other 25% only had two cars. Those two cars were one for race and one for a backup. It wasn’t until the aero wars of the late sixties and early seventies that you began to see cars for the Super Speedways and another for the shorter tracks. Look at my profile and you’ll see one of the cars I knew well. It is a 1969/1970 Dodge Charger Daytona that Bobby Issac drove at Daytona and Talladega. He also had a 1969 Dodge Charger 500 that he drove on the shorter tracks that same year. NASCAR could have required the same car raced on all tracks and they would have done it. That didn’t happen as higher speeds were the big draw and as the teams got bigger, a new car was designed, the pure racecar with a stock body. They used those vehicles up till the nineties when the complete tube modified car was born. Now we have this blasted COT, this totally away from a “STOCK,” car as any Indy or F1 car is. I will try and post a blog on the engines used at a later time.

As for NASCAR and the old days, cars did win by a lap or more. I was just as excited as I am today. If it was my manufacturer I was ecstatic, if it was another I hooted and booed. That was “STOCK,” car racing and from race to race, the different manufacturers would swap who won. Plymouth would win one week and maybe Ford the next; you never knew what was going to happen. I’ve been to races where almost all the Dodge’s blew engines, because they were slower at that track and was looking for the extra speed. I’ve seen the same thing from all the different makes, but that is “STOCK,” car racing. It was exploring the ragged edge of power and dependability. Now “STOCK,” car racing is more about Budweiser or Miller beer than the cars. So what is auto racing? It isn’t about how fast your beer goes down it’s about the car!!! If you want to see close racing by the driver, then line them up and watch a foot race. Take the car out of the factor and that’s what you have, a foot race.

 
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