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Can you honestly be shocked about anything Barry does anymore?

1/11/07 in MLB   |   chuck23   |   0 respect

Out of the, "Now there is a shocker" category, it appears that Mr. Bonds failed his amphetamine drug test last year.  This will now cause Barry to submit to drug test for the next six months.  Under Major League Baseball's new drug policy implemented last season, his name did not have to be released and if he were to fail again, he will face a suspension of 25 games.

Oh, by the way......... nice job Barry throwing teammate Mark Sweeney under the bus.  If I were Sweeney and innocent..... I would make sure Barry's contract for this upcoming season be sent over to my agent and let Barry work for free, due to defamation of character......which is the only type of character Bonds will ever have!

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1/11/07   |   chuck23

Interesting discussion, and the conversation is going the way I was hoping it would.  Amphetamines are not steroids, however they are still illegal even though MLB only started banning and testing for them last season.  There have been many ex ballplayers openly admit to saying that amphetamines were as much a part of the game as the actual baseball is.  Large punch bowls of pills sitting on the table in the club house full of whatever you need to make it through the season.   My point is,  cheating is cheating regardless of the  substance  that the player is taking.    There is an old saying......"You can go to hell just as quick for lying as you can for stealing, so you may as well go rich."  The baseball writers and many in the public have decided to all of the sudden gain some sort of holier then thou attitude about baseball players more then any other athletes. They build up these guys when they need a good article and then rip them to shreds years later so they don't end up with egg on their face.  Hypocrisy is disgusting on every level, and if they have never wondered about steroid use up until a few years ago, they are fools, and need to have their B.B.W.A.  membership card revoked.  This has been talked about since at least 1987,  as a kid I used to remember joking about Jose Canseco more then anyone using steroids, it was obvious.  If these players qualify as Hall of Fame material, I say let them in.  Mac, Bonds, and even Palmerio, they are not the first such "known" cheaters, and I gurantee you that they won't be the last.

1/11/07   |   Amazin698607

They dont care about numbers look at Pete Rose numbers. Have you heard what the voters are saying they are not letting him in 25% of the vote you need 75% to get in. That will be the biggest turn around in voting. The voters care whether you cheated, lied and disrespected the team. Three things Bonds has done very well. He is a selfish prick who cares only for himself. He to me is the worst thing in baseball and I hope the Giants now dont sign him. So everyone knows its not a common thing to fail this test because Bonds is the first that we know of to fail the amphetamine drug test.

1/11/07   |   CriticalFanatic

Tron wrote:
The voters will have to let him in. His numbers are way too good. I think the voters will wait until the 2nd or 3rd ballot to make a point, but he gets in. Once they let Bonds in then McGuire probably gets in.

It's McGwire ... p.s.

1/11/07   |   Tron

Amazin698607 wrote:
OK still baseball isnt even celebrating his homerun record and the voters arent gonna vote him in. It doesnt matter what he has done or is gonna do. He is the focal point in the Steroids Era.

The voters will have to let him in. His numbers are way too good. I think the voters will wait until the 2nd or 3rd ballot to make a point, but he gets in. Once they let Bonds in then McGuire probably gets in.

1/11/07   |   Amazin698607

OK still baseball isnt even celebrating his homerun record and the voters arent gonna vote him in. It doesnt matter what he has done or is gonna do. He is the focal point in the Steroids Era.

1/11/07   |   drewstapes

Pat wrote:
I'm not saying that he was taking steroids his whole career, but do we REALLY know when Barry "blossomed"?

If you believe the books he started taking steroids somewhere in 98-99.  Most people close to the giants think it was before the 99 season to recover from knee surgury.  He also tore a triceps muscle in early in 99 ( classic steroids injury) which supposedly led him to get "smarter" about 'roids and starting working with Greg Anderson.

 

If 98 was his last pure year - it was a good one. - about 90 extra base hits if I remember right.  Of course he got no attention because of Mac and Sosa.

 

 

1/11/07   |   CriticalFanatic

Pat wrote:
I'm not saying that he was taking steroids his whole career, but do we REALLY know when Barry "blossomed"?
(Edited by CriticalFanatic)

Um yes ... when his hat size nearly doubled.

How do we know a say Rod Carew wasn't taking amphetamines in his day. It's pretty well know they've been a part of baseball for a long time. Only in the mid to late 90s did it turn into human growth hormones and streroids.

Bonds was tiny and among the best in the league for the Pirates and throughout his early years with San Fran before he added about 50 lbs. Take a look at his career stats. I think you can tell when he might have changed a bit.

1/11/07   |   Jon   |   5 respect

Amazin698607 wrote:

Substances which can cause false positives

Ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, propylephedrine, phenylephrine, or desoxyephedrine (Nyquil, Contact, Sudafed, Allerest, Tavist-D, Dimetapp, etc) Phenegan-D, Robitussin Cold and Flu, Vicks Nyquil, Over-the-counter diet aids with phenylpropanolamine (Dexatrim, Accutrim) Over-the-counter nasal sprays (Vicks inhaler, Afrin) Asthma medications (Marax, Bronkaid tablets, Primatine Tablets) Prescription medications (Amfepramone, Cathne, Etafediabe, Morazone, phendimetrazine, phenmetrazine, benzphetamine, fenfluramine, dexfenfluramine, dexdenfluramine,Redux, mephentermine, Mesocarb, methoxyphenamine, phentermine, amineptine, Pholedrine, hydroymethamphetamine, Dexedrine, amifepramone, clobenzorex, fenproyorex, mefenorex, fenelylline, Didrex, dextroamphetamine, methphenidate, Ritalin, pemoline, Cylert, selegiline, Deprenyl, Eldepryl, Famprofazone).


Well, given Barry's expanding waistline, we know it wasn't Dexatrim.

1/11/07   |   Pat   |   5134 respect

CriticalFanatic wrote:
The difference is McGwire was just ok before he ... umm blossomed. Barry Bonds was one of the best players in the game. 40/40 season ... you name it.

I'm not saying that he was taking steroids his whole career, but do we REALLY know when Barry "blossomed"?

1/11/07   |   CriticalFanatic

Amazin698607 wrote:
Well hes not getting in if McGwire didnt. Steroid Era players are gonna have a tough time convincing people they belong.

The difference is McGwire was just ok before he ... umm blossomed. Barry Bonds was one of the best players in the game. 40/40 season ... you name it.

1/11/07   |   Amazin698607

Well hes not getting in if McGwire didnt. Steroid Era players are gonna have a tough time convincing people they belong.

1/11/07   |   CriticalFanatic

Tron wrote:
I think Bonds gets in. He was a HOFer before he began taking steroids. You can't not have the home run king in the hall of fame.

I agree ... Bonds was pretty sweet before the Steroid Era began. Frankly I'm not sure why he needed to go in this direction.

1/11/07   |   Tron

Amazin698607 wrote:
No matter what Bonds is using drugs and wont get into the Hall of Fame. It will be interesting to have the Homerun King not elected. I hope he fails another drug test and gets suspended.  

I think Bonds gets in. He was a HOFer before he began taking steroids. You can't not have the home run king in the hall of fame.

1/11/07   |   Amazin698607

The Giant organization didnt know about the failed drug test. What is holding up the contract are small things that Bonds has to agree to for instance like who he is allowed to have in locker room with him.  I see this as maybe this deal might not get done.

1/11/07   |   CriticalFanatic

So that's why his contract has yet to be signed

1/11/07   |   Amazin698607

Substances which can cause false positives

Ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, propylephedrine, phenylephrine, or desoxyephedrine (Nyquil, Contact, Sudafed, Allerest, Tavist-D, Dimetapp, etc) Phenegan-D, Robitussin Cold and Flu, Vicks Nyquil, Over-the-counter diet aids with phenylpropanolamine (Dexatrim, Accutrim) Over-the-counter nasal sprays (Vicks inhaler, Afrin) Asthma medications (Marax, Bronkaid tablets, Primatine Tablets) Prescription medications (Amfepramone, Cathne, Etafediabe, Morazone, phendimetrazine, phenmetrazine, benzphetamine, fenfluramine, dexfenfluramine, dexdenfluramine,Redux, mephentermine, Mesocarb, methoxyphenamine, phentermine, amineptine, Pholedrine, hydroymethamphetamine, Dexedrine, amifepramone, clobenzorex, fenproyorex, mefenorex, fenelylline, Didrex, dextroamphetamine, methphenidate, Ritalin, pemoline, Cylert, selegiline, Deprenyl, Eldepryl, Famprofazone).


1/11/07   |   Amazin698607

No matter what Bonds is using drugs and wont get into the Hall of Fame. It will be interesting to have the Homerun King not elected. I hope he fails another drug test and gets suspended.  

1/11/07   |   CriticalFanatic

Several ways to go here ... first of which is Sweeney's agent saying:

"Mark was made aware of the fact that his name had been brought up," Sweeney's agent Barry Axelrod told the Daily News.

"But he did not give Barry Bonds anything, and there was nothing he could have given Barry Bonds."

 

Is Bonds just trying to use his name and power against a less known guy?


But let's get back to the amphetamine part. Is really a shock if 75% of the league was tested for them? They've never been tested and I feel comfortable saying over 75% of major leaguers dating back through the history of time have used some form of them. Technically drinking several cups of coffee would qualify. (in that case I'm guilty too)

I think where our stories differ chuck is that this happened over the summer and Bonds has already gone through those 6 months of testing for all drugs. Which I guess we can assume he passed ... which to me is a more interesting element of the story.

1/11/07   |   CPops

Nothing surprises me with Bonds as you said, although I think too much is being made over a postive amphetamine test.  I don't think amphetamines have been illegal until this past season.  I would guess that a majority of the Hall of Famers that played since WWII have taken amphetamines at one point or another during their playing careers.