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College Football Scores: Louisville Displays Weak Big East Defense, Cincinnati's Saves The Day

9/7/07 in NCAAF   |   CriticalFanatic   |   respect

Thursday's college football recap ...

The Big East was front and center tonight. One team impressed, the other did not.

First, the good. Cincinnati's defense worked over Oregon State, a Pac-10 team many AP voters placed in the Top 20. I suspected that was a mistake, now we know for sure. They have no quarterback.

The Big East is full of bad defenses, but just don't include the Bearcats in that category. Cincinnati played the 2nd toughest schedule in the country last season, yet finished among the Top 30 defenses. Hopefully, you realize that's impressive. Cinci has the best D in the Big East and that was on full display tonight. Bearcats 34, Beavers 3 and the offense did very little. Watch out for Brian Kelly this season. They're going to sneak ahead of Rutgers in the Big East (IMO).

Now the bad. Mid Tennessee State rolled up 42 points and 559 yards against #8 Louisville. That's atrocious. The Blue Raiders are very well coached and have a few play makers, but that's no excuse for a team that would like to play themselves off as a national title contender. Yes, the Cardinals didn't lose to a I-AA team, but they're going to fall several spots in my rankings and if voters want to keep their privileges they'll do the same. Again, Middle Tennessee State rolled 42 points on Louisville. How many points would a California score?

Thanks to Cincinnati the Big East has some positives to draw from, but yet again the top two teams need to prove they can play some D.
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7/19/09   |   kantwistaye   |   4212 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
You nailed the Michigan - Oregon game.

And you got the USF game perfectly.  I'm glad a thread that makes me look smart was found.

7/19/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

kantwistaye wrote:
Ha.. nice.  Its alway fun looking at old threads and wondering what the heck was I or someone else thinking at that time.

You nailed the Michigan - Oregon game.

7/19/09   |   kantwistaye   |   4212 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
I didn't, some Raider fan chick gave my first comment a thumbs up...I said hmmm ..clicked on it......and smiled.

Ha.. nice.  Its alway fun looking at old threads and wondering what the heck was I or someone else thinking at that time.

7/19/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

kantwistaye wrote:
I thoroughly enjoy that this thread is 2 years old and you found it.

I didn't, some Raider fan chick gave my first comment a thumbs up...I said hmmm ..clicked on it......and smiled.

7/19/09   |   kantwistaye   |   4212 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
Damn I'm good.

I thoroughly enjoy that this thread is 2 years old and you found it.

7/19/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:

I know...just givin you a hard time. The excuses I've already built in because I'm willing myself to believe that they will lose even though my gut says they will actually pull off the upset. Cox will be under duress if they try to pass on USF. My thinking is both teams will try to run on the others defense.

The outcome will come down to these two things: Will Auburn be allowed to hold when the USF pass rush comes on to Cox and can Mike Ford run on a real SEC defense. If the answers are yes and no then Auburn comfortably covers the 7.5 point spread. (7.5!, wow, if you would've asked someone what the spread of this game would have been in June probably would've gotten 24 for an answer) If the answers are no and yes, USF could actually win this game and will definitely cover the spread.

Damn I'm good.

9/7/07   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

CriticalFanatic wrote:
Look a few posts up ... I mentioned SF having a decent D.

Hmm, already coming up with excuses for Saturday? Just kidding, I'd be worried about that, too.

I know...just givin you a hard time. The excuses I've already built in because I'm willing myself to believe that they will lose even though my gut says they will actually pull off the upset. Cox will be under duress if they try to pass on USF. My thinking is both teams will try to run on the others defense.

The outcome will come down to these two things: Will Auburn be allowed to hold when the USF pass rush comes on to Cox and can Mike Ford run on a real SEC defense. If the answers are yes and no then Auburn comfortably covers the 7.5 point spread. (7.5!, wow, if you would've asked someone what the spread of this game would have been in June probably would've gotten 24 for an answer) If the answers are no and yes, USF could actually win this game and will definitely cover the spread.

9/7/07   |   CriticalFanatic

MarkTheShark wrote:

South Florida's D will show up in Auburn Sat night, then CF will say the Big East has Two good D's and then Rutgers will show him that there are three good defenses in the Big east, etc.

BTW Auburn will have SEC officials with them Sat night so look for a Oregon- Oklahoma repeat

Look a few posts up ... I mentioned SF having a decent D.

Hmm, already coming up with excuses for Saturday? Just kidding, I'd be worried about that, too.

9/7/07   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

South Florida's D will show up in Auburn Sat night, then CF will say the Big East has Two good D's and then Rutgers will show him that there are three good defenses in the Big east, etc.

BTW Auburn will have SEC officials with them Sat night so look for a Oregon- Oklahoma repeat

9/7/07   |   Flousc

Any Big East fan that can convince me that Louisville is a top 10 team....well nevermind that isn't possible. They have a horrible defense and UK will score 70 on them next week.

9/7/07   |   Marshall

CriticalFanatic wrote:
Actually, I predicted Michigan to win and cover the spread. I can honestly say, that's one of the hardest games we've had to predict in a long time.

You can justify the game going in every direction. I think the Pac-10 will represent in all other games (UCLA over BYU, Cal by a lot over Co St, ASU over Co, Wash over Boise). But I'm not so sure yet about that Mich-Ore game.

I've seriously talked for hours with my Michigan friends (and I have A LOT) about the game.  Of course, they want to assume that it was a fluke, an unprepared fluke and they'll come out blazing. That's basically what I went with. It concerns me that Houston ran all over Oregon with a worse rushing attack than Michigan possesses. Then again, Oregon better work over the Michigan D. They have precisely the right offense to fool the Wolverines.

Totally stumped. Going with 42-31 for right now.

It wasn't a fluke.......Three games, Three spread offenses, and Three losses. And the fact that App St. IS GOOD. Michigan will win this game though. They'll do what they should have done last week open the playbook and score the 45 they'll need to win every week.

9/7/07   |   Todd

kantwistaye wrote:

I have trouble buying the talk that Michigan just wasn't prepared.  That works for the 1st quarter, but it shouldn't take too long to realize that App St was legit and that they ran the spread.  A decent high school coach can adjust to that. 

 

To me the hardest thing to judge is Michigan's emotions going into the game.  In all the quotes I've heard or read they've seemed like the season's done for (which is kind of is) and defeated.  They could come out angrier than ever and bring down a whooping, or already throw in the towl.  I don't think it helpes much that everyone knows that Carr is done at the end of the season either. 

 

Right now I'm going with Oregon 45-35.  I think Dennis Dixon is going to have a feild day on Michigan's defense.  Mike Hart will probably return the favor, but I don't think he'll be enough on his own.

It'll be the Dennis Dixon - Mike Hart show, no matter what happens in the end.

9/7/07   |   Todd

CriticalFanatic wrote:
Well, I think you probably had the game tabbed right, aside from forgetting the Big East does have one good defensive team. It's an anomaly. (S Fla is pretty solid too).

What was so odd was that the turnover margin. Oregon State outgained the Bearcats. But Cinci scored on every turnover (i think).

OSU outgained Cincy by 5 yards - 36 to 31 (total).  Bernard had 30 yds rush, 17 yds catch.  Without him feeding the offense, Duck fans are saying OOOOOOOOOO, ESSSSSSSSSS, Who? LOL

9/7/07   |   kantwistaye   |   4212 respect

I have trouble buying the talk that Michigan just wasn't prepared.  That works for the 1st quarter, but it shouldn't take too long to realize that App St was legit and that they ran the spread.  A decent high school coach can adjust to that. 

 

To me the hardest thing to judge is Michigan's emotions going into the game.  In all the quotes I've heard or read they've seemed like the season's done for (which is kind of is) and defeated.  They could come out angrier than ever and bring down a whooping, or already throw in the towl.  I don't think it helpes much that everyone knows that Carr is done at the end of the season either. 

 

Right now I'm going with Oregon 45-35.  I think Dennis Dixon is going to have a feild day on Michigan's defense.  Mike Hart will probably return the favor, but I don't think he'll be enough on his own.

9/7/07   |   CriticalFanatic

Todd wrote:

Everyone in this state knew (or should've known) that the Beavers wouldn't be the same from last year.  Beaver fans not thinking this were wearing orange-colored glasses before tonight.  So yes, I'm in agreement with you, that's why I picked Oregon State eighth.

 

However, I did think the Beavers would make it a close game, with me picking Cincinnati to squeak by, here on the Q.

 

Just shows you I don't know much about Big East football though.

Well, I think you probably had the game tabbed right, aside from forgetting the Big East does have one good defensive team. It's an anomaly. (S Fla is pretty solid too).

What was so odd was that the turnover margin. Oregon State outgained the Bearcats. But Cinci scored on every turnover (i think).

9/7/07   |   CriticalFanatic

kantwistaye wrote:
Predicting a Oregon win over Michigan?  If you are, I'm there with you I'm just surprised that so few people think that Michigan will lose this game.

Actually, I predicted Michigan to win and cover the spread. I can honestly say, that's one of the hardest games we've had to predict in a long time.

You can justify the game going in every direction. I think the Pac-10 will represent in all other games (UCLA over BYU, Cal by a lot over Co St, ASU over Co, Wash over Boise). But I'm not so sure yet about that Mich-Ore game.

I've seriously talked for hours with my Michigan friends (and I have A LOT) about the game.  Of course, they want to assume that it was a fluke, an unprepared fluke and they'll come out blazing. That's basically what I went with. It concerns me that Houston ran all over Oregon with a worse rushing attack than Michigan possesses. Then again, Oregon better work over the Michigan D. They have precisely the right offense to fool the Wolverines.

Totally stumped. Going with 42-31 for right now.

9/7/07   |   Todd

CriticalFanatic wrote:
You didn't do your home work. Cinci's D was tough last year. Made Rutgers look inept. (you do know who coached that team, right)

This was my concern and criticism on Oregon State in preseason discussions. I picked them to finish at the bottom because of QB play. Thus my being shocked so many AP voters included them in their ballots.

Not a good night for the Pac-10, but I suspect they'll make up for it Saturday.

Everyone in this state knew (or should've known) that the Beavers wouldn't be the same from last year.  Beaver fans not thinking this were wearing orange-colored glasses before tonight.  So yes, I'm in agreement with you, that's why I picked Oregon State eighth.

 

However, I did think the Beavers would make it a close game, with me picking Cincinnati to squeak by, here on the Q.

 

Just shows you I don't know much about Big East football though.

9/7/07   |   kantwistaye   |   4212 respect

CriticalFanatic wrote:
You didn't do your home work. Cinci's D was tough last year. Made Rutgers look inept. (you do know who coached that team, right)

This was my concern and criticism on Oregon State in preseason discussions. I picked them to finish at the bottom because of QB play. Thus my being shocked so many AP voters included them in their ballots.

Not a good night for the Pac-10, but I suspect they'll make up for it Saturday.

Predicting a Oregon win over Michigan?  If you are, I'm there with you I'm just surprised that so few people think that Michigan will lose this game.

9/7/07   |   CriticalFanatic

Todd wrote:

At the beginning of the night, I thought the Big East defenses would perform in reverse... Cincinnati's bad, and Louisville's good. 

 

As far as Oregon State goes, they're as one-dimensional on offense as I'd thought they'd be this year, but they didn't even have that one-dimension (RB Yvenson Bernard) to keep the offense moving against Cincinnati.  And why did WR Sammie Stroughter pick this game to come back?  He clearly wasn't ready to play.  Not even sideline interview chum(p) Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson could've pulled this one out, if he suited up once again for Oregon State.  Unless those young QB's find a way to improve, the Beavs are in for a LOOONG season.

You didn't do your home work. Cinci's D was tough last year. Made Rutgers look inept. (you do know who coached that team, right)

This was my concern and criticism on Oregon State in preseason discussions. I picked them to finish at the bottom because of QB play. Thus my being shocked so many AP voters included them in their ballots.

Not a good night for the Pac-10, but I suspect they'll make up for it Saturday.

9/7/07   |   Todd

At the beginning of the night, I thought the Big East defenses would perform in reverse... Cincinnati's bad, and Louisville's good. 

 

As far as Oregon State goes, they're as one-dimensional on offense as I'd thought they'd be this year, but they didn't even have that one-dimension (RB Yvenson Bernard) to keep the offense moving against Cincinnati.  And why did WR Sammie Stroughter pick this game to come back?  He clearly wasn't ready to play.  Not even sideline interview chum(p) Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson could've pulled this one out, if he suited up once again for Oregon State.  Unless those young QB's find a way to improve, the Beavs are in for a LOOONG season.