College football creates a playoff system, but was it really necessary?

What controversy? Stop Crying!

6/27/12 in NCAAF   |   MortonsLaw   |   156 respect

Most people appear to be taking the negative approach to the announcement of the new 4-team playoff system college football that will debut in the 2014 season. I've read and heard all those who feel there is a need for a 8-team, 10-team; some have gone as far as a 16-team playoff.

Jan 9, 2012; New Orleans, LA, USA;  Alabama Crimson Tide defensive back Dre Kirkpatrick (21) kisses the crystal football which is the BCS National Championship trophy after his team defeated the LSU Tigers  at the Louisiana Superdome.  Mandatory Credit: Marvin Gentry-US PRESSWIRENow some will dismiss my opinions as an Alabama fan and SEC supporter (some may have clicked off the page by now), but please listen to why the system wasn't broken, and if there's a need for a playoff system, this new 4-team system is more than enough to get it right.

For starters, the SEC has now won 6 consecutive National Championships. For years we have watched the SEC dominate the Big Ten and Big 12 in National Championship games. The only recent close game was Auburn over Oregon (Pac 12). How embarrassing were some of those games? Whether it was Oklahoma, Texas or Ohio State, the SEC just made it look like the SEC was the most dominant conference in America.

Last year the Nation watched LSU dominate the regular season; arguably one of the most dominant regular seasons in the history of college football. After their overtime win over Alabama in Tuscaloosa, nobody thought LSU could lose. Then, after their SEC championship game win, some said (including me) LSU earned at least a co-share of the National Championship regardless their bowl outcome.

Nobody thought in a million years Oklahoma State would lose to Iowa State. They were installed as a 24 point favorite on the road by Vegas odds makers. They were set up to face LSU for the National Championship. They didn't need to win by 24 points; all they had to do was win. When they lost that game in Overtime it opened the door for Alabama to be considered for a re-match. Despite not winning the SEC west, Alabama was granted a re-match for the National Championship.

Oklahoma State supporters went nuts. Head coach (I'm a man, I'm 40) Mike Gundy made his case and thought his team deserved that chance despite losing to Iowa State. Even before the loss to Iowa State, I was amused at the success of this team and their ability to survive certain games despite their 118 ranked defense. Could you imagine what LSU would do to this team in a National Championship game? I had predicted a score of 44-17.

Based on previous history of a great defense against a great offense, the great defense wins 99% of the time. Who wanted to see that movie again? I wanted to create an alternate universe just to shut up Ok State supporters, so we could witness LSU embarrass such an overrated team from a conference having a down year.

People tried to make cases for Stanford and Oregon. They actually cancelled the other out based on Andrew having no luck when he threw 3 interceptions against Oregon's mediocre at best defense. The Ducks then laid an egg against USC; proving they weren't deserving of their re-match against LSU.

Once the re-match was announced I knew Alabama was going to win the game. I still felt LSU deserved to be co-National Champions, well, until the game was played. The way Alabama dominated LSU, it had to shut up those who felt other schools were deserving. In my opinion the BCS got it right. Had Oklahoma State lost to any other Big 12 school earlier in the year, they would've been playing for the National Championship. Losing to Iowa State changed everything.

By the way, for those who made cases for Ok State, Oregon and Stanford; they all forgot about Arkansas, whose only 2 losses on the season came at the hands of LSU and Alabama. Arkansas then went on to beat up a Big 12 school (K-State) in a bowl game. A case can be made the 3 best schools in 2011 came from the SEC. So for all those crying and claiming conference bias--the numbers don't lie. If you do the math--Arkansas beat Kansas State, who Oklahoma State struggled to beat. Alabama and LSU destroyed Arkansas. Get it?

For years the nation has cried to get rid of college football's version of the evil empire aka the BCS. The Boise State's, Utah's and TCU's of the world feel they have been snubbed of their opportunity to play for a National Championship. The only problem with their undefeated seasons was the lack of competition every week in lesser conferences. They clearly proved they could play with the big boys in bowl games, but the body of work is what matters most. Would said schools really have gone unbeaten playing in any major conference?

This new playoff system is as close to a plus 1 game as we're going to get. While I do believe we may see an 8-team or more playoff system in the future--I feel it isn't needed. Roll Tide!!!!!
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7/17/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

ML31 wrote:
Fair enough.  The only thing I will say to that is that internet threads are filled with opinions along the lines of "pineapples suck".  In my opinion I think it would be best to not take such comments so personally if one feels the need to take part in message boards and threads.  For the most part there is nothing personal meant by any of it. 

well if ti's by someone I don't care to know I really don't care what they say.  Language is an art as well as grammar.  They taught in it school for a reason.  Sadly most seemed to have slept through that class.  I see language almost like good grooming and hygiene and manners.  Sad that people often think they can get away with bad behavior and rudeness because it's online in the cyber-sphere.  Yes, people want to boil things down to "pineapples suck"  lol  Takes little to no thought and fast and easy like fast food.  It is the fast food equivalent to language and communication.  Screw decorum and civility... it's a free for all!  yeaaaahaaaaa!  lol

7/17/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

Hilblee wrote:
point proven

Thank you.  This is a rarity around here...  Someone actually conceding a point. 

7/17/12   |   Hilblee   |   1544 respect

ML31 wrote:
And you say I will argue about anything....

point proven

7/17/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

Hilblee wrote:
Whatever

And you say I will argue about anything....

7/17/12   |   Hilblee   |   1544 respect

Hilblee wrote:
Whats subjective about cow poop stinking?  I've been around them all my life and never came across a pile that didnt stink. 

Again----you'd argue about anything.

Whatever

7/17/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

Hilblee wrote:
Whats subjective about cow poop stinking?  I've been around them all my life and never came across a pile that didnt stink. 

Again----you'd argue about anything.

The funny thing here is you have no idea how incredibly hypocritical your comment is.

You are actually arguing over the subjectivity of cow poop stinking.   (sigh)

7/17/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

PurrsAlot wrote:
if someone says "I love pineapples" and the person replies "Pineapples suck"   That says two things... 1. the person hates pineapples and 2. your opinion is irrelevant and I don't care what you think!''

The sensitive way to deal with it would be "Really?  You like them?  I never liked that way they tasted. To me there were too acidic.  But that's just me.  I do like mango though.

This just shows a different opinion without implying No you are wrong they suck.  There are thoughts and words between the lines.  Ask any playwright, any author.  90% of their craft is knowing what not to say just as much as what to say.  Maybe on a site like this it's WTF and brazen and showing lack of regard for one another's thoughts and feelings.  I find that rabid sports fans often say stuff that is outrageous... "that team sucks!"  well they are a professional team with professionals on it... if they suck so bad then why isn't the person being the armchair quarterback on the field proving it?  

talk talk talk and no regard for others.  I'm sure this will probably illicit you are nit picking and being too sensitive.  Well maybe I am.  I didn't mean to sound like I was lecturing.  But I just felt like I just got lectured to about how I am again wrong.  It's just how I feel.  How Samantha feels.  And nothing anyone can say will make me feel less for it.

Fair enough.  The only thing I will say to that is that internet threads are filled with opinions along the lines of "pineapples suck".  In my opinion I think it would be best to not take such comments so personally if one feels the need to take part in message boards and threads.  For the most part there is nothing personal meant by any of it. 

7/17/12   |   Hilblee   |   1544 respect

ML31 wrote:
You would get no argument from me if you said cow poop stunk.  Not only would I agree with the comment but it is a subjective one to begin with. 

Your attempt to present me in an unfavorable light has failed!

Whats subjective about cow poop stinking?  I've been around them all my life and never came across a pile that didnt stink. 

Again----you'd argue about anything.

7/17/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

ps - as they say in the NBA... "win or go home"

7/17/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

Last year the Nation watched LSU dominate the regular season; arguably one of the most dominant regular seasons in the history of college football. After their overtime win over Alabama in Tuscaloosa, 

if they were so DOMINATE how come it took overtime to beat Alabama in that first game????
they got their butts kicked in the championship game.  They lost.  Alabama won.  Do the math.  The game that mattered...they lost.  The Spurs had an amazing season and ohhhhhh, they lost in the playoffs.  The LA Kings entered the playoffs the 8th Seed and won it all!  They won the game(s) that had to win to WIN.

How about the boxer that is getting his ass kicked for 7 rounds then in the 8th lands the "lucky" punch and the guy goes down and is counted out.  So does the guy that got knocked out claim it should be a draw because he won 7 of the rounds?   LSU lost!  Get over it.

7/17/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

ML31 wrote:
Fully aware of the massive advantages to hearing the voice and seeing the person speaking over the written text.  You are preaching to the choir on that one.   That said, there are some things that are normally quite obvious in text form with no need to clarify.  Case in point, when someone is referring to their own point as "THE point" it is not necessary to substitute "my" for "the". The reader knows whose point it is by the context of the comment.  Or when someone says "pineapples suck!".  There is absolutely no need to clarity that as "In MY OPINION, pineapples suck.".  It is quite clear to all the comment is subjective to begin with and ought to be taken as such without giving the author grief about a nit pick.

if someone says "I love pineapples" and the person replies "Pineapples suck"   That says two things... 1. the person hates pineapples and 2. your opinion is irrelevant and I don't care what you think!''

The sensitive way to deal with it would be "Really?  You like them?  I never liked that way they tasted. To me there were too acidic.  But that's just me.  I do like mango though.

This just shows a different opinion without implying No you are wrong they suck.  There are thoughts and words between the lines.  Ask any playwright, any author.  90% of their craft is knowing what not to say just as much as what to say.  Maybe on a site like this it's WTF and brazen and showing lack of regard for one another's thoughts and feelings.  I find that rabid sports fans often say stuff that is outrageous... "that team sucks!"  well they are a professional team with professionals on it... if they suck so bad then why isn't the person being the armchair quarterback on the field proving it?  

talk talk talk and no regard for others.  I'm sure this will probably illicit you are nit picking and being too sensitive.  Well maybe I am.  I didn't mean to sound like I was lecturing.  But I just felt like I just got lectured to about how I am again wrong.  It's just how I feel.  How Samantha feels.  And nothing anyone can say will make me feel less for it.

7/17/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

PurrsAlot wrote:
I am an actress, words are specific. Online we ONLY have words, that was my point. Words are subject to interpretation. Lets not go there again. It's not personal. It's about words. Not you as a person. Not me as a person. It's about the conundrum of modern, faceless communication reduced to only words, not expressions, no tone of voice, no body language. That's all I'm saying.

Fully aware of the massive advantages to hearing the voice and seeing the person speaking over the written text.  You are preaching to the choir on that one.   That said, there are some things that are normally quite obvious in text form with no need to clarify.  Case in point, when someone is referring to their own point as "THE point" it is not necessary to substitute "my" for "the". The reader knows whose point it is by the context of the comment.  Or when someone says "pineapples suck!".  There is absolutely no need to clarity that as "In MY OPINION, pineapples suck.".  It is quite clear to all the comment is subjective to begin with and ought to be taken as such without giving the author grief about a nit pick.

7/17/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

PurrsAlot wrote:
well i'm into "words" and the power of words. And syntax matters. as in the following: " It's been a while since I have seen someone miss the point and be as wrong as you were in that post. " miss THE point? Is there only ONE point and that is the RIGHT one? or should it be "Miss my point" so it's just another opinion? and to say someone is "wrong" means that in turn "you" are right. Irregardless of the intent it comes across in black and white as dismissive. But we buried that hatchet... (no in anyone's back either!) arf arf arf

I am an actress, words are specific. Online we ONLY have words, that was my point. Words are subject to interpretation. Lets not go there again. It's not personal. It's about words. Not you as a person. Not me as a person. It's about the conundrum of modern, faceless communication reduced to only words, not expressions, no tone of voice, no body language. That's all I'm saying.

7/17/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

PurrsAlot wrote:
well i'm into "words" and the power of words. And syntax matters. as in the following: " It's been a while since I have seen someone miss the point and be as wrong as you were in that post. " miss THE point? Is there only ONE point and that is the RIGHT one? or should it be "Miss my point" so it's just another opinion? and to say someone is "wrong" means that in turn "you" are right. Irregardless of the intent it comes across in black and white as dismissive. But we buried that hatchet... (no in anyone's back either!) arf arf arf

Well...  When I say THE point when talking about my own comment I should think it is pretty darn obvious what point I am talking about.  (MY point, in case anyone is still confused)  No need to split hairs over the whole thing.

7/17/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

(Edited by ML31)

I am interested in reality.  Not Wikiality.  I concede points and am no more argumentive as anyone else. 

But no worries.  Many on internet threads don't let the facts get in the way of their opinions.  I just don't let it bother me.   By all means...   Continue with your unsupported conclusions. 

7/16/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

Hilblee wrote:
Miss Purrs, ya have to understand that ML31 would argue with you if you said cow poop stunk!  He would come up with something like, its the grass mixed with the digestive juices of the cow that ACTUALLY causes the meloderous smell, not the poop itself.

well i'm into "words" and the power of words. And syntax matters. as in the following: " It's been a while since I have seen someone miss the point and be as wrong as you were in that post. " miss THE point? Is there only ONE point and that is the RIGHT one? or should it be "Miss my point" so it's just another opinion? and to say someone is "wrong" means that in turn "you" are right. Irregardless of the intent it comes across in black and white as dismissive. But we buried that hatchet... (no in anyone's back either!) arf arf arf

7/16/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

PurrsAlot wrote:
bottom line, it's not you or me. Just tired of all this talk talk talk about what should be done or not done. Meanwhile nothing gets done. then when they do they say not until 2014. I like the simplicity of the Nike ad "Just Do It" people overthink problems and never solve anything. We will never please everyone. But somebody please do something. And the press plays up all this "drama". I ultimately don't give a rat's a##. Just like the whole Dwight Howard nonsense. Go or stay. Get on with it you overpaid brat! ok, i'm done :) have a fabulous day! xxx samantha

hahahahahahahahahaha

7/16/12   |   Hilblee   |   1544 respect

Hilblee wrote:
Miss Purrs, ya have to understand that ML31 would argue with you if you said cow poop stunk!  He would come up with something like, its the grass mixed with the digestive juices of the cow that ACTUALLY causes the meloderous smell, not the poop itself.

Ya think? Ask about anyone else on here if they think you are argumentative. Not only are you argumentative, you would never, ever concede a point.

7/16/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

(Edited by ML31)

You would get no argument from me if you said cow poop stunk.  Not only would I agree with the comment but it is a subjective one to begin with. 

Your attempt to present me in an unfavorable light has failed!

7/16/12   |   Hilblee   |   1544 respect

PurrsAlot wrote:
bottom line, it's not you or me. Just tired of all this talk talk talk about what should be done or not done. Meanwhile nothing gets done. then when they do they say not until 2014. I like the simplicity of the Nike ad "Just Do It" people overthink problems and never solve anything. We will never please everyone. But somebody please do something. And the press plays up all this "drama". I ultimately don't give a rat's a##. Just like the whole Dwight Howard nonsense. Go or stay. Get on with it you overpaid brat! ok, i'm done :) have a fabulous day! xxx samantha

Miss Purrs, ya have to understand that ML31 would argue with you if you said cow poop stunk!  He would come up with something like, its the grass mixed with the digestive juices of the cow that ACTUALLY causes the meloderous smell, not the poop itself.

7/16/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

ML31 wrote:
Wow...  It's been a while since I have seen someone miss the point and be as wrong as you were in that post. 

I am 100% FOR the college football playoff.  You also couldn't be more wrong when you claim I hold college football as the "holy grail of sports".  Nothing could be further from the truth.   In fact I think the NCAA is probably just as corrupt as FIFA.

If there was any arrogance it came from you, ms upset-the-applecart.  I was merely poking holes in some of your comments. 

bottom line, it's not you or me. Just tired of all this talk talk talk about what should be done or not done. Meanwhile nothing gets done. then when they do they say not until 2014. I like the simplicity of the Nike ad "Just Do It" people overthink problems and never solve anything. We will never please everyone. But somebody please do something. And the press plays up all this "drama". I ultimately don't give a rat's a##. Just like the whole Dwight Howard nonsense. Go or stay. Get on with it you overpaid brat! ok, i'm done :) have a fabulous day! xxx samantha

7/16/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

ML31 wrote:
Wow...  It's been a while since I have seen someone miss the point and be as wrong as you were in that post. 

I am 100% FOR the college football playoff.  You also couldn't be more wrong when you claim I hold college football as the "holy grail of sports".  Nothing could be further from the truth.   In fact I think the NCAA is probably just as corrupt as FIFA.

If there was any arrogance it came from you, ms upset-the-applecart.  I was merely poking holes in some of your comments. 

all we have online are words and words without inflection or humor.  and capsulizing my statements as LAUGHABLE was rude and didn't even take anything I said into consideration.  You could have said.  "well you do make a point on that but think about this..."  or "i see where you are coming from but I feel that regardless of that ..."

No consideration from you at all.  Came off as lecturing.  IF that wasn't your intent then so be it.  But I'm telling you how it read from this end.  Water under the bridge.

7/16/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

ML31 wrote:
Wow...  It's been a while since I have seen someone miss the point and be as wrong as you were in that post. 

I am 100% FOR the college football playoff.  You also couldn't be more wrong when you claim I hold college football as the "holy grail of sports".  Nothing could be further from the truth.   In fact I think the NCAA is probably just as corrupt as FIFA.

If there was any arrogance it came from you, ms upset-the-applecart.  I was merely poking holes in some of your comments. 

you said my comments WERE LAUGHABLE
that is arrogant
check what you originally wrote
putting yourself in the judgment seat

I am very easy going but you saying my comments are laughable is akin to calling me stupid.

7/16/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

PurrsAlot wrote:
your sarcasm and arrogance makes me not even want to consider your point of view.  Being lectured SUCKS!!!!  and you among other micro think this like college football is the holy grail of sports.  JUST have playoffs!!!!  lighten up!  It's not the end of the world no one dies... just start somewhere then perfect it as it goes.  But sitting back and analyzing every single idea and ripping it to shreds is nonsense.  as they say "Sh#t or get off the pot!"   how is that for arrogance??????

Wow...  It's been a while since I have seen someone miss the point and be as wrong as you were in that post. 

I am 100% FOR the college football playoff.  You also couldn't be more wrong when you claim I hold college football as the "holy grail of sports".  Nothing could be further from the truth.   In fact I think the NCAA is probably just as corrupt as FIFA.

If there was any arrogance it came from you, ms upset-the-applecart.  I was merely poking holes in some of your comments. 

7/16/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

ML31 wrote:
Apples and oranges.  For one thing, in those other sports you mentioned there are more playoff spots than divisions.  (In the case of MLB that is just plain stupid and has hurt the game but that is another argument for another time).

With 9 Division ! conferences and some independents, it seems redundant to include 2 teams from the same Conference.  They already competed against each other directly for the title.  Now if the field were expanded to 16 that's another matter...

PS..  Comparing it to the NBA or NHL is also laughable.  If the NCAA put in a comparable number of football playoff teams the field would be 64.  While 4 is way too few 64 is way too many.

your sarcasm and arrogance makes me not even want to consider your point of view.  Being lectured SUCKS!!!!  and you among other micro think this like college football is the holy grail of sports.  JUST have playoffs!!!!  lighten up!  It's not the end of the world no one dies... just start somewhere then perfect it as it goes.  But sitting back and analyzing every single idea and ripping it to shreds is nonsense.  as they say "Sh#t or get off the pot!"   how is that for arrogance??????

7/16/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

PurrsAlot wrote:
The NBA has playoffs worked out.  Some think now too many.  But at least you get a good cross-section of the teams in the league.  Then you have baseball.  Seems something non-political and "sports" oriented could be easily worked out.  Screw the power schools!  If a team is worthy they get in the playoffs.  Case in point.  The LA Kings... the 8th seed takes it all!  Upset the applecart!

Apples and oranges.  For one thing, in those other sports you mentioned there are more playoff spots than divisions.  (In the case of MLB that is just plain stupid and has hurt the game but that is another argument for another time).

With 9 Division ! conferences and some independents, it seems redundant to include 2 teams from the same Conference.  They already competed against each other directly for the title.  Now if the field were expanded to 16 that's another matter...

PS..  Comparing it to the NBA or NHL is also laughable.  If the NCAA put in a comparable number of football playoff teams the field would be 64.  While 4 is way too few 64 is way too many.

7/15/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

ML31 wrote:
I don't really have a dog in this fight...  But as an impartial observer I think if the field is made up of a mere 4 teams then there should only be ONE team from a given Conference involved.  If there is more than one that renders the conferences (not to mention Conference Championship games) 100% worthless.

The NBA has playoffs worked out.  Some think now too many.  But at least you get a good cross-section of the teams in the league.  Then you have baseball.  Seems something non-political and "sports" oriented could be easily worked out.  Screw the power schools!  If a team is worthy they get in the playoffs.  Case in point.  The LA Kings... the 8th seed takes it all!  Upset the applecart!

7/15/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

really a hot button topic.  Wow.  It is like enacting an act of Congress!  ugh.

7/13/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

I don't really have a dog in this fight...  But as an impartial observer I think if the field is made up of a mere 4 teams then there should only be ONE team from a given Conference involved.  If there is more than one that renders the conferences (not to mention Conference Championship games) 100% worthless.

7/2/12   |   Pat   |   5234 respect

MortonsLaw wrote:
You do realize I'm not opposed to the playoff system, I'm just saying you will see that it won't matter. For all the success Butler had in the NCAA tournament--they still came up short. Also, if you're a sports fan you would've heard about how little the players of teams like Oklahoma and Alabama cared about those BCS games, knowing they couldn't win the National Championship. Don't dismiss players not getting up for games deemed meaningless after their seasons technically ended in conference championship games.

But it DOES matter. It may not affect the final result, but at least it will lend some legitimacy to the process. That's what people really want. It doesn't matter if we end up with the same champ that we would have gotten with the BCS still in place, as long as we get there in a more fair and reasonable manner.

The BCS would have been like if Barack Obama were simply appointed president in 2008 by the Supreme Court. Sure, it's the same result that happened with the election, but wouldn't we all prefer a fair process?

7/2/12   |   MortonsLaw   |   156 respect

MortonsLaw wrote:
Pat, How can you call Ok State a great team when they lost to ISU as a 24 point favorite? A great team doesn't have that kind of hiccup that late in the season and expect to play for a National Championship. Plus, they were 118th in defense. Had it not been for Stanford's idiot coaching staff, setting up for a 35-yard FG attempt with a freshman kicker when Andrew Luck is on the field, Ok state loses that game too. They survived several shootouts in the big 12. LSU or Alabama would've embarrassed them. If you disagree with that then you haven't been watching the recent National Championship games involving the SEC and any other conference.

You do know long before the BCS there were multiple unbeaten teams in a given season? Not all of them could win the National Championship. Sometimes there were co-National Champions based on different voting systems ie. AP, UPI and then later on the Coaches' Poll.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a playoff system. I welcome it. It will just further prove my point--that the SEC will continue to show it is the best conference in America.

I just don't understand the logic of rewarding a team who plays nobody but is unbeaten at the end of the year. What does it mean? You actually think 2 and 3 star recruits can beat 4 and 5 star recruits? Just look at how many pros LSU and Alabama produced in this past draft. How many pros has Boise State, TCU and Utah produced in the last 5-7 years during their unbeaten seasons?

You do realize I'm not opposed to the playoff system, I'm just saying you will see that it won't matter. For all the success Butler had in the NCAA tournament--they still came up short. Also, if you're a sports fan you would've heard about how little the players of teams like Oklahoma and Alabama cared about those BCS games, knowing they couldn't win the National Championship. Don't dismiss players not getting up for games deemed meaningless after their seasons technically ended in conference championship games.

7/1/12   |   Pat   |   5234 respect

MortonsLaw wrote:
Pat, How can you call Ok State a great team when they lost to ISU as a 24 point favorite? A great team doesn't have that kind of hiccup that late in the season and expect to play for a National Championship. Plus, they were 118th in defense. Had it not been for Stanford's idiot coaching staff, setting up for a 35-yard FG attempt with a freshman kicker when Andrew Luck is on the field, Ok state loses that game too. They survived several shootouts in the big 12. LSU or Alabama would've embarrassed them. If you disagree with that then you haven't been watching the recent National Championship games involving the SEC and any other conference.

You do know long before the BCS there were multiple unbeaten teams in a given season? Not all of them could win the National Championship. Sometimes there were co-National Champions based on different voting systems ie. AP, UPI and then later on the Coaches' Poll.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a playoff system. I welcome it. It will just further prove my point--that the SEC will continue to show it is the best conference in America.

I just don't understand the logic of rewarding a team who plays nobody but is unbeaten at the end of the year. What does it mean? You actually think 2 and 3 star recruits can beat 4 and 5 star recruits? Just look at how many pros LSU and Alabama produced in this past draft. How many pros has Boise State, TCU and Utah produced in the last 5-7 years during their unbeaten seasons?

Lots of Heisman winners have been NFL busts. Some 2-star recruits have gone on to be Hall of Famers. And we've already seen Boise State and Utah beat Oklahoma and Alabama in BCS bowls.

I'm not trying to say that Oklahoma State was better than Alabama. I'm just saying that they deserved a chance to prove it on the field, and were denied that chance by an incredibly flawed system.

I'm also not trying to say that the SEC isn't the strongest conference in college football. I don't think anyone is saying that, despite the fact that SEC fans all seem to think that everyone is out to get them.

And yes, I know there were multiple unbeaten teams before the BCS started. And guess what? That system sucked too, in terms of producing a legitimate National Champ.

Nothing you've said even remotely begins to weaken my point. This 4-team playoff is an enormous improvement over the previous system, and there are countless examples to back up that claim. Your "eyeball test" that somehow determines that your favorite team is better than anyone else by default doesn't really hold water when it has been proven wrong on the field multiple times.

6/29/12   |   MortonsLaw   |   156 respect

Pat wrote:
You don't remember other years in which great teams got screwed out of the chance to win a National Championship? This year, it was Oklahoma State. In past years, it has been TCU, Florida, Cincinnati, Texas, USC, Kansas, Utah, Boise State, Auburn, and many other teams over the years. They all had a legitimate case, but were denied an opportunity because of the absurd system that was in place.

The new system isn't perfect, but it is undoubtedly far better. I'd much rather see things settled on the field rather than in a computer or a ballot box.

Pat, How can you call Ok State a great team when they lost to ISU as a 24 point favorite? A great team doesn't have that kind of hiccup that late in the season and expect to play for a National Championship. Plus, they were 118th in defense. Had it not been for Stanford's idiot coaching staff, setting up for a 35-yard FG attempt with a freshman kicker when Andrew Luck is on the field, Ok state loses that game too. They survived several shootouts in the big 12. LSU or Alabama would've embarrassed them. If you disagree with that then you haven't been watching the recent National Championship games involving the SEC and any other conference.

You do know long before the BCS there were multiple unbeaten teams in a given season? Not all of them could win the National Championship. Sometimes there were co-National Champions based on different voting systems ie. AP, UPI and then later on the Coaches' Poll.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a playoff system. I welcome it. It will just further prove my point--that the SEC will continue to show it is the best conference in America.

I just don't understand the logic of rewarding a team who plays nobody but is unbeaten at the end of the year. What does it mean? You actually think 2 and 3 star recruits can beat 4 and 5 star recruits? Just look at how many pros LSU and Alabama produced in this past draft. How many pros has Boise State, TCU and Utah produced in the last 5-7 years during their unbeaten seasons?

6/28/12   |   DallasFan55   |   38115 respect

I'm all for the playoffs. Better to settle it on field then off and at least a 4 teams is a start. Eventually they will probably increase it 8, but to me it just seems to be more fair to the teams that make it there.

6/28/12   |   Jess   |   35092 respect

I'm not sure what the issue is, actually...maybe a 4-team playoff isn't ideal but isn't a playoff what pretty much every college football fan has been wanting? It works on lower levels...I'm not sure why it wouldn't work for the big schools unless a person's school is constantly favored in the current system and they're afraid of what might happen with a new system. And I'm sure that this 4-team thing is a trial thing; if they see that a playoff system is working better than the BCS thing but that there need to be revisions, it's not like they can't revise it.

Like Pat, I would rather see a playoff - however imperfect - than a computer or ballot box decide who plays in championship games.

6/28/12   |   Pat   |   5234 respect

MortonsLaw wrote:
Really? Really? Really? With your infinite wisdom enlighten me on this subject.

You don't remember other years in which great teams got screwed out of the chance to win a National Championship? This year, it was Oklahoma State. In past years, it has been TCU, Florida, Cincinnati, Texas, USC, Kansas, Utah, Boise State, Auburn, and many other teams over the years. They all had a legitimate case, but were denied an opportunity because of the absurd system that was in place.

The new system isn't perfect, but it is undoubtedly far better. I'd much rather see things settled on the field rather than in a computer or a ballot box.

6/27/12   |   MortonsLaw   |   156 respect

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Really? Really? Really? With your infinite wisdom enlighten me on this subject.

6/27/12   |   Pat   |   5234 respect

While your logic is inherently flawed, you're omitting one important detail: We didn't need a playoff ONLY because of last year. We needed it all the other years that teams were getting screwed, too.