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2/21/08
Crushing The Yankees' and Derek Jeter's Response To The UPENN Report That Says He Sucks
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As I'm sure all of you know, the University of Pennsylvania recently did a thorough study that concluded that Derek Jeter was one the worst shortstop in the majors.
I have no beef with this. Jeter is a bad shortstop, period. He has no range whatsoever. How he won three Gold Gloves is a complete mystery. Well, actually, no it isn't. It's because he's in New York.

But now Jeter and the Yankees are in damage control. And that's where I have a beef. A huge beef. So let's see what Jeter and the Yanks had to say about the study.
"Maybe it was a computer glitch. Every [shortstop] doesn't stay in the same spot, everyone doesn't have the same pitching. Everyone doesn't have the same hitters running, it's impossible to do that."
And here's what the Yankees brass said.
"Something like that is a disgrace,"senior advisor Gene Michael said. "It made me ill when I read that article. First of all, what pitching staff was out there? Each team has a different staff. Derek doesn't really have a sinkerball pitching staff whereas other shortstops, you sit behind certain pitchers, you're going to get a lot of ground balls.
So basically what they're saying is, Jeter's lack of range is the result of his pitching staff, not Jeter himself.

Except that isn't true at all. And here's the evidence to prove that.

Back in 2002, Jeter and the New York media were trying to push to get him his first gold glove, but ESPN's Rob Neyer, who's a great writer by the way, was having none of it. To prove Jeter wasn't any better than he'd ever been in the past, Neyer did a study of Derek Jeter's range in comparison to his teammate Enrique Wilson.

Here's what he turned up.

In 2001, Jeter made 3.8 plays per nine innings.
Through August of 2002, when Neyer wrote the article, Jeter had made 3.7 plays per nine innings.

Here's what Enrique Wilson did during the same stretch.

In 2001, Enrique Wilson made 4.3 plays per nine innings.
Through August of 2002, Enrique Wilson had made 4.3 plays per nine innings.

Here's the simple conclusion. Enrique was playing with the same pitchers and more or less against the same opponents as Jeter. He consistently, over almost two seasons, was getting to half-a-ball more than Jeter was per game. That's at least a potential 81 more outs for Wilson than Jeter if we don't count any double play balls and theoretically say they both played 162 games.

There's nothing more to say except Jeter's range is terrible, and it always has been, regardless of how much crap the Yankees and Jeter spew out to refute that.

You're a bad shortstop Jeter. You're just lucky you can hit.
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I still can't believe this is a controversy. The stats say Jeter's a poor defender. The scouts say Jeter's a poor defender. The only people who don't seem to believe this are the New York media and certain Yankee fans (I'm not saying anyone here necessarily).
 
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RenegadeLG wrote:
Nevermind he's one of the most clutch post-season performers in the history of baseball.  Quit hatin'.
Yeah, and he was awesome this last postseason as well. Oh wait, no.
 
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This just confirms what I said all those years ago when New York got A-Rod: the Yankees are idiots for not shifting Jeter to third instead.
 
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The Wakka Man wrote:
This just confirms what I said all those years ago when New York got A-Rod: the Yankees are idiots for not shifting Jeter to third instead.
I don't think Jeter would have been better at third, mainly because of his range limitations. Should have moved him to the outfield.
 
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RenegadeLG wrote:
Now that would have been embarrassing.

DJ is Troy Tulowitkzi's idol.  That's funny since Tulo has the best arm in baseball.  Still, it's a ringing endorsement and good enough for me.
I think Jeter could make a solid outfielder. He has speed and hopefully would be able to read the ball well enough off the bat to get good jumps. He doesn't have a bad arm.
Eventually he'll be playing a position other than SS as he gets older...
 
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RenegadeLG wrote:
Nah.  Come on.  He's a Shortstop for life.  If he wasn't bowing down to A-Rod he's never going to.
I'm not saying A-Rod would then play SS. It wouldn't have anything to do with "bowing down" to him. The fact is Jeter's going to be a Yankee for life and eventually he just won't be able to play the position of SS. The general consensus at this point, from what I hear on the radio and read in the paper, is that he'll probably be moved to a corner outfield spot.
 
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What the article doesnt tell you is that Jeter played more then Wilson in 2001!

 

It works the same way with a batting average, if i bat one time and get a hit, i am batting .1000....now if you want to compare that to Jeter who after a ton of AB's is batting .320 is it fair to say that i am better?? hell no!

 
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This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Jeter is an excellent shortstop, sure he doesn't get too many ground balls up the middle but there aren't too many who do. It also doesn't help that he's not as fast as someone like Jose Reyes. Jeter has made so many excellent plays in which he ran both ways to make. Who can forget that play when Jeter dove into the stands behind third base and caught that pop fly, if that wasn't a good play I don't know what is, and all those times where he makes those amazing jumping throws to first after backhanding the ball. There are very few shortstops in the game who have enough power to throw the ball from Shortstop to First without having their feet planted. Next time, don't try to critcize one of if not the best shortstops in the Majors.
 
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Hold on now. I have a problem with ALL of this crap. Because the guy has no range, he is now a terrible short stop? That's a RIDICULOUS statement by you and the University of Pennsylvania.
 
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gearhead wrote:
I still can't believe this is a controversy. The stats say Jeter's a poor defender. The scouts say Jeter's a poor defender. The only people who don't seem to believe this are the New York media and certain Yankee fans (I'm not saying anyone here necessarily).
All those things say that he has a poor arm, which is basically true. To call him a poor defender is an overstatement to say the least.
 
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Gazzo wrote:
All those things say that he has a poor arm, which is basically true. To call him a poor defender is an overstatement to say the least.
Wait a minute. You admit he has a poor arm and no range. Doesn't that pretty much mean bad defensive shortstop. He might not be the worst defensively, and he's still top 2-3 at worst offensively at the position, but defense is still his weakness, despite what the NY Post says.
 
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gearhead wrote:
Wait a minute. You admit he has a poor arm and no range. Doesn't that pretty much mean bad defensive shortstop. He might not be the worst defensively, and he's still top 2-3 at worst offensively at the position, but defense is still his weakness, despite what the NY Post says.
Correct. That doesn't make him a poor defender. He just has limited range. He's also 36.
 
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Gazzo wrote:
Correct. That doesn't make him a poor defender. He just has limited range. He's also 36.
He's actually 33, 34 in June (thank you, once again, baseball-reference), and poor range is not a good thing for a shortstop. Again, this does not take away at all what Jeter does offensively. The defense just isn't at that level.
 
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Gazzo wrote:
Hold on now. I have a problem with ALL of this crap. Because the guy has no range, he is now a terrible short stop? That's a RIDICULOUS statement by you and the University of Pennsylvania.
Well if you can't get to the ball... then yes you're a horrible shortstop.  That means balls are getting to the outfield, runners are gettin on base, and runs are going up on the scoreboard.  I'd take a questionable defender with great range over a "solid" defender with no range any day.
 
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RenegadeLG wrote:
Even if, as stated before, that supposedly sub-par defender is clutch and has a handful of rings?
Uh... yes.  The Yankees won those handful of rings with Derek Jeter, not solely because of Derek Jeter.
 
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Which would you rather have... Jeter at short or A-Rod? And would Jeter be a starting shortstop if he was in the NL where defense and pitching wins? Besides, he Jeter can hit so if the Yankees brass (or anyone else for that matter) wanted to keep DJ's bat around, they'll move him somewhere else in the playing field. Remember Mike Piazza at first and in the outfield?

 
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RenegadeLG wrote:
No, nobody remembers Piazza playing anywhere but Catcher.
Exactly. And an DJ error on my behalf, Piazza was only used at 1st besides C and DH. He played a total of 69 games at 1st (1 in 2003, and 68 in 2004 with the Mets).
 
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kantwistaye wrote:
Well if you can't get to the ball... then yes you're a horrible shortstop.  That means balls are getting to the outfield, runners are gettin on base, and runs are going up on the scoreboard.  I'd take a questionable defender with great range over a "solid" defender with no range any day.
The range that is being referred to here is his throwing range. Nobody can doubt that Derek Jeter has probably the greatest "defensive" range in the AL. Anyone who does is just not looking at facts.
 
 
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