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3/1/09
Denver Broncos Offered More For Matt Cassel Than The Chiefs, But Were Turned Down
The Matt Cassel Trade Is Looking More And More Suspect
A lot of people are, how do I put this, not happy with the fact that the Patriots traded Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to the Chiefs for the 34th pick in this year's draft. I'll agree with that assessment, because that's not much back for the QB of the future and a still decent linebacker.

But now it's getting even weirder. It turns out that the Denver Broncos, who were trying to trade Jay Cutler in a three-way deal involving themselves, the Pats, and the Bucs, were actually offering an even better deal than the Chiefs to get their hands on Cassel, but were turned down by the Pats.

Denver offered the Pats their first round draft pick (12th overall), in a three-way trade that would've sent Broncos quarterback Cutler to the Bucs, Cassel to Denver, and compensation to the Pats from the Bucs. The question is why in the hell would the Pats turn down a deal that was vastly superior to the one they agreed to?

No one knows for certain, but there are a few rumors out there.

1. Chiefs GM Scott Pioli and Bill Belichick know each other well. This was a deal that had been agreed to a while back, and nothing was going to change that.
2. Bill Belichick doesn't like having to spend money on first round draft picks.
3. Belichick didn't want to help out Josh McDaniels in Denver.
4. This is all part of a plan by the Patriots to ultimately trade for Julius Peppers.

What's also interesting about all of this is that the paper that broke the story on Cutler potentially being in the mix to get traded was the Boston Globe, not the Denver Post. So one has to assume that the Patriots leaked the information on the potential Cutler trade, which has since infuriated Cutler to the point where he now wants to be traded.

So, it's totally possible that this move had already been agreed to by Pioli and Belichick, and then they also were presented with the opportunity to dick over McDaniels in the process, which they did. It works for Belichick, because he doesn't want to see any of his assistants become a better coach than he is, and it helps Pioli because the Broncos are in his division. Something smells pretty rotten in this deal, if you ask me. And I'm not the only one. Jay Mariotti, who I don't really like, thinks the NFL should investigate this trade, and I actually agree.

But, as I said, perhaps this is some incredibly complex chain of events that leads to the Patriots grabbing Julius Peppers. But until that happens, this Cassel trade warrants some serious questions.

Why would Pats turn down 12th pick for Cassel? [
ESPN]
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3/1/09
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(Edited by billywa)
 What a stupid trade.  Jerry Jones is such a dumb f..........

Oh sorry, I saw "stupid trade" and automatically assumed Jerry was at work again.

Never mind!

3/1/09
8
Bigger question... what type of brain dead teams offers up Jay Cutler and the 12th pick in the draft for Matt Cassel?  Josh McDaniels and the whole Denver front office should be fired on the spot for that.

3/1/09
18
(Edited by Raider_Dave)
The Pats doing something shady? How bizzare is that?

3/1/09
2
i think my team wants julius peppers :)( pats) yup somethings up, alright bills not stupid definatly up to something....

3/1/09
0
Yeah and apparently the Lions wanted in on the deal too...They were allegedly going to acquire Cassel Probably for the 20th overall pick, then send him to Denver for Cutler.

3/1/09
2
People sure love to start crap about New England.

3/1/09
4
I love the fact that when the Pats make a suspect move..everyone fears Belichick's "brilliance".
When any other team makes a trade like this they are skewered across the blogosphere.

3/1/09
3

This is just plain weird.  Period.


3/1/09
25
(Edited by billywa)
 What a stupid trade.  Jerry Jones is such a dumb f..........

Oh sorry, I saw "stupid trade" and automatically assumed Jerry was at work again.

Never mind!

3/1/09
2
Pat Bowlen needs to get out of his business and go back to being an owner and McDaniels and crew should resign without being asked. The Denver fans could probably make answering the phone a real chore for the Bronco front office.

3/1/09
7
1. Chiefs GM Scott Pioli and Bill Belichick know each other well. This was a deal that had been agreed to a while back, and nothing was going to change that.
 
I had not heard of this.

2. Bill Belichick doesn't like having to spend money on first round draft picks.

Yes! yes! I heard about this.

3. Belichick didn't want to help out Josh McDaniels in Denver.

Simply diabolical!...I had not heard this.

4. This is all part of a plan by the Patriots to ultimately trade for Julius Peppers.

This is an outrage!!!...Belichick must be stopped or Gotham City will be ruined!

Sir, you have raised the intrigue factor of this issue stratospherically!!!

I will wait in my Batcave for the outcome.

3/1/09
3
(Edited by kantwistaye)
Also... this confirms that the Cutler wanting out of Denver thing going on is indeed a legitimate story that has just begun. 

3/1/09
2
everyone loves to start crap with us 

3/1/09
2
For those who see Belichek as a Darth Vaderian force of the dark side this will give credence to all there belief in dark machinations, but a crucial part  is that apparently the way the story will be left is that both Detroit and Tampa Bay were willing to give up a first round pick (would have to have been Detroit's 2nd first rounder) for Cassel, BUT ONLY IF Denver would agree to swap Cutler for that pick. When Denver said no, the deal supposedly fell apart.

3/1/09
4
Considering what we already now about Belichek and his willingness to screw over his former assistants....anybody remember the story about how he dissed Mangini to Jets management in an attempt to have them not hire him away from his staff..... I dont think it's out of the realm of possibilty that Belichek would do that to McDaniel.  Throw in Pioli and his past relationship with the Patriots and you definitely have something that smells rotten

3/1/09
0
Looks a helluva lot like the deal between former Boston Celtics Danny Ainge & Kevin McFail.

3/1/09
0
oh please - it's all business! this better not boomerang and hits us on the bum

3/1/09
1
elevenbravo138again wrote:
For those who see Belichek as a Darth Vaderian force of the dark side this will give credence to all there belief in dark machinations, but a crucial part  is that apparently the way the story will be left is that both Detroit and Tampa Bay were willing to give up a first round pick (would have to have been Detroit's 2nd first rounder) for Cassel, BUT ONLY IF Denver would agree to swap Cutler for that pick. When Denver said no, the deal supposedly fell apart.
Yup, that's the way I saw it.  Denver wasn't shopping Cutler out, they were the last on the list to be aware of the proposals and basically had the final word.  When they said "no", Pioli and Lucif...*cough* Belichek went with plan B.

3/1/09
1
billywa wrote:
 What a stupid trade.  Jerry Jones is such a dumb f..........

Oh sorry, I saw "stupid trade" and automatically assumed Jerry was at work again.

Never mind!
Ok dear

3/1/09
1
Hey, how come Pat didn't write this post?

Because if he had......

he probably would have written the same thing just with a rip on the Steelers at the end.

3/2/09
1
I like how people think something fishy is going on anytime the Pats are involved in anything.  Maybe those people should put their tin foil hats on so that Belichek don't start reading their minds next.

3/2/09
0
regardless if you lke the pats or belichek,they are most of the time successful in whatever they do,and if tom brady is totally healthy then i dont think you can keep two no.1 qbs i guess we will have to wait to find out

3/2/09
1
what happens when you spell devil backwards you get Bill Belichick

3/2/09
0
i don't believe it was anything preplanned.  i truely believe that Pioli came into kansas city looking to evaluate every position before making any moves.  once he decided it wasn't going to work with the quarterbacks they had he decided to cut huard and at this point decided to make a move towards matt cassel.
as for the denver broncos part of this.. they wanted cassel and they know it but because bill bilichick is an ass they are now are stuck with a quarterback who is moving from pouting to throwing a 2 year old fit and no matt cassel.

3/2/09
0
that video bull **** was all a scam too ,just to put pressure on the pats just before the superbowl.  bill belicheck is a great coach! and people wish he was coaching  their team thats  what i think   and if he was coaching your team ,you wouldnt be complaining about him.....

3/2/09
1
angels509 wrote:
that video bull **** was all a scam too ,just to put pressure on the pats just before the superbowl.  bill belicheck is a great coach! and people wish he was coaching  their team thats  what i think   and if he was coaching your team ,you wouldnt be complaining about him.....
bill bilicheck is slimy creature who really is only one notch below al davis in terms of direspecting and making a mockery of the game.  if he came to denver i would become a chargers fan.  i would most definitly be complaining if he came to my team.  that man is a joke.

3/2/09
1
but he wins superbowls so how stupid can he really be....???? the only reason we were not in it this year is because brady got injured. im going to be nice here..!!

3/2/09
1
angels509 wrote:
but he wins superbowls so how stupid can he really be....???? the only reason we were not in it this year is because brady got injured. im going to be nice here..!!
he might win superbowls.  but when you win a superbowl with a person like belicheck you aren't really sure how you won it.  the man uses some pretty sketchy tactics that i don't believe is right, ex. video taping other teams and lying on official injury reports (saying players who aren't injured are and visaversa).  i want my team to win a superbowl just as bad as the next person but theres a limit to how you go about getting it and if you go past that limit its just stupid and it's like "wow, well the 49'ers could have won the superbowl using the tactics we used."

3/2/09
0
thanks for the back up :) the pats are a great team! and other teams im sure have done there share of taping only nobody ratted them out.at least we owned up to it.

3/2/09
0
angels509 wrote:
thanks for the back up :) the pats are a great team! and other teams im sure have done there share of taping only nobody ratted them out.at least we owned up to it.

not before lying about it didn't work..


3/2/09
0
got caught whatever>>> we still delt with it i dont see any other teams saying they did it do you??

3/2/09
1
"vastly superior"? Get over yourself. 2 2nd round trades is far better than 1 1st round.

Hilarious how people continue to throw a hissy fit when Belichick shows off his genius in the market.

3/2/09
0
angels509 wrote:
got caught whatever>>> we still delt with it i dont see any other teams saying they did it do you??
ha maybe other teams aren't doing it..

3/2/09
1
wow you just dont stop hunh! pats rule and you know it ! admit it already....

3/5/09
0
angels509 wrote:
thanks for the back up :) the pats are a great team! and other teams im sure have done there share of taping only nobody ratted them out.at least we owned up to it.
The Pats very well may be a great team, but their own coach is responsible for whatever taint may be on their image. Not only that, I don't think having your rules infractions publicly exposed qualifies as "owning up to" anything.

3/5/09
0
angels509 wrote:
got caught whatever>>> we still delt with it i dont see any other teams saying they did it do you??
There's more than a "whatever" difference between owning up to something vs. getting caught breaking the rules.  If and/or when another team is confronted with similar evidence of a wrongdoing, are you going to give them kudos for "owning up to" and "dealing with" the allegations?

3/8/09
0
HouTxFan wrote:
There's more than a "whatever" difference between owning up to something vs. getting caught breaking the rules.  If and/or when another team is confronted with similar evidence of a wrongdoing, are you going to give them kudos for "owning up to" and "dealing with" the allegations?
I'm pretty sure if another team got caught doing it the media wouldn't make as big of a deal about it as they did with the Pats.  Two years before the Pats got caught stealing signals there was a story about the Dolphins having the Pats signals.  No one seemed to care about that.  There was also a story about the Broncos taping practices of other teams, but no one seemed to give that much attention either. 

3/8/09
0
arsenault85 wrote:
I'm pretty sure if another team got caught doing it the media wouldn't make as big of a deal about it as they did with the Pats.  Two years before the Pats got caught stealing signals there was a story about the Dolphins having the Pats signals.  No one seemed to care about that.  There was also a story about the Broncos taping practices of other teams, but no one seemed to give that much attention either. 
That may be true...probably is true, but the Patriots still didn't "own up to" anything.  They got caught, plain and simple.

3/8/09
1
arsenault85 wrote:
I'm pretty sure if another team got caught doing it the media wouldn't make as big of a deal about it as they did with the Pats.  Two years before the Pats got caught stealing signals there was a story about the Dolphins having the Pats signals.  No one seemed to care about that.  There was also a story about the Broncos taping practices of other teams, but no one seemed to give that much attention either. 
your right. no one would make as big a deal about it if another team did it because no other team possibly created a "dynasty" by cheating.  if it was the detroit lions and they won 3 superbowls and then it was found out that they cheated every single member of the media would have been on that news. 

4/8/09
0
Den-ace wrote:
The Pats doing something shady? How bizzare is that?
I agree the Pats are some cheating punks. What will they do next? Or more important is what are they doing or done that they are getting away with now. Most of the crap they do is off the field or not on game day.

 
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