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11/23/08
Donovan McNabb Benched. Is It Time To Change Things In Philadelphia?
It's Time To Get Rid Of McNabb And Reid
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Today the Donovan McNabb era may have officially come to an end. And I know many people are hoping that's the case.

Despite the fact that laid back Andy Reid lit into his team this week about tying the Bengals last weekend, it didn't produce much at all today, particularly out of McNabb. Despite being in an absolute must win game, McNabb went 8-18 in the first half and threw a horrible pick to Samari Rolle that Rolle returned inside the Philadelphia five-yard line, leading to an eventual Baltimore touchdown.

What's interesting about McNabb's season this year is that it started out extremely well, but some recent uninspiring performances, combined with McNabb's admission that he had no clue that there were ties in the NFL, has made him cannon fodder for criticism.

And the truth is that he deserves it. McNabb's biggest problem has always been that he shrinks up in big games, so we should hardly be surprised that he sucked once again in another critical game.

Also, don't hit me with the "well he went to four straight NFC championships and he made one Super Bowl" argument. That just reinforces my point. You know what McNabb's passer rating in those three NFC Championship loses? 50.5. That's horrible. He also threw two critical INTs in the Super Bowl against the Pats (3 in total) and threw up during Philly's final drive.

I mean seriously, what more evidence do you need? The guy sucks in huge games, and he's getting up there in years for a quarterback. There's no point in sticking with him now that he's clearly on the downward end of his career. He couldn't win the big ones for you 4 or 5 years ago, so what in the hell makes you think he'll suddenly do it now?

But I'm not going to just dump on McNabb. I also believe that it's time for Andy Reid to go as well. He's been McNabb's biggest supporter through the years and if McNabb goes, so should Reid. Not to mention the fact that Reid may be the worst clock management coach in the game.

The Eagles are clearly getting stagnant with a quarterback who isn't going to take them to the promised land and a coach who isn't smart enough to get them their either. Reid's contract is done at the end of the season and the Eagles shouldn't renew it. As for McNabb, he's still in a $115 million contract spread out over 12 years that he's not even close to completing, so it may be somewhat tricky for the Eagles to get rid of him.

But all that said, what should happen is that McNabb and Reid's respective eras come to end after this season. The Eagles came close with these two guys a few times, but at this point in time, that won't happen anymore. If the Eagles ever want to sniff another Super Bowl, then It's time to commit to rebuilding in Philly immediately.
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11/23/08
8
bhopp4p1 wrote:
I just don't know why you pull McNabb at halftime when your only down by 3.
Because losing by 30 just seemed so much better.

Or maybe it was out of respect for all that McNabb has done for the team, putting up huge numbers year after year even though TO was the only legit WR he's ever had.

This was a dick move by Andy Reid, plain and simple. He was trying to throw McNabb under the bus and use him as a scapegoat for Andy's mediocrity, and it backfired enormously.

That being said, Kolb (or someone else) is the future of the franchise. If they are going to return to the level they were at for a while, they'll need someone other than McNabb.

11/23/08
5
The bad thing for the Eagles is, they aren't any better off with Kevin Kolb.  McNabb is still the best QB they have.  I know they could probably save a ton of money getting rid of him, but it really solves nothing, at least for the short term.

As for Reid, his playcall is absurd.  You have Brian Westbrook, RUN THE BALL.  I think the awful playcall over the years is a big reason for the struggles.  Throwing 50 passes a game will cause a passing game to fail.

11/23/08
2
I am just glad that I benched McNabb on my fantasy team

11/23/08
2
MrNFL wrote:
The bad thing for the Eagles is, they aren't any better off with Kevin Kolb.  McNabb is still the best QB they have.  I know they could probably save a ton of money getting rid of him, but it really solves nothing, at least for the short term.

As for Reid, his playcall is absurd.  You have Brian Westbrook, RUN THE BALL.  I think the awful playcall over the years is a big reason for the struggles.  Throwing 50 passes a game will cause a passing game to fail.
Even though he's probably done, I think he's probably earned himself another head coaching job somewhere down the road.  Dude's had a lot more good seasons' then bad. 

11/23/08
1
(Edited by sharapovasthigh)
MrNFL wrote:
The bad thing for the Eagles is, they aren't any better off with Kevin Kolb.  McNabb is still the best QB they have.  I know they could probably save a ton of money getting rid of him, but it really solves nothing, at least for the short term.

As for Reid, his playcall is absurd.  You have Brian Westbrook, RUN THE BALL.  I think the awful playcall over the years is a big reason for the struggles.  Throwing 50 passes a game will cause a passing game to fail.
Yep. There's no way Kolb gives them a better chance to win right now. If they're already looking towards the future, sure, there's nothing wrong with giving Kolb a chance, but they are not a better team with him running the show at this moment, and that's sure to piss off the rest of the team.

11/23/08
2
It might not solve anything in the short term, but the Eagles aren't doing anything in the short term anyway.  Right now is irrelevant to the Eagles.  They need to build for the future instead of hanging on to what could have been.

11/23/08
2
(Edited by 100%InjuryRate)
Thank u Mr. NFL.  I mean that's my beef, stop letting him play call the BEST they played recently was when Marty was play calling and the offense was balance.  Let's be honest I'm an Eagles fan and here's their problems: They don't have a stud WR, TE isn't a very strong position for an outlet (though Celek has been a surprise), Westbrook can shoulder the load but it'd be nice to have a compliment i.e. NYG, DAL, MIA, JAX to keep him fresher for the season. Lastly the D may need some overhauling, I love'em but we may need to bench Dawkins for a younger play and use Dawkins at run situations and get someonen who's a big name on D that's physical.  The Asante pickup was cool but... not what we needed, we need someone who's a stud at LB to let Bradley develope more.  the Eagles have lots of money under the cap (or used too) they need to step up and just make sure they PAY for some players.  I know the big game argument is made and I agree to an extent I think Nabb gets nervous cause the bigger the game the more he has to do with the lack of talent around him.

PS.  There's no reason with that O line that they should not be able to run that's utter bullsh*t.  They have hogs across the whole line that's unacceptable.

11/23/08
3
The whole situation is a mess.  We need to run the ball when we pass, and we need to pass when we run.  When Marty Moorinweg was play caller the Eagles went into deep playoff runs, since Reid took over the calling we've turned into a one dimensional team who got lucky with Jeff Garcia.  I'm not gonna start praising Kolb as our savor and god, but give the guy a chance.  Give him a line that he can stay in and not have to roll out every single play.  He fits well into a west coast offense, has an effective runner, and has receivers that can stretch the field.

Bill Cowher for the win!

11/23/08
0
Adam wrote:
The whole situation is a mess.  We need to run the ball when we pass, and we need to pass when we run.  When Marty Moorinweg was play caller the Eagles went into deep playoff runs, since Reid took over the calling we've turned into a one dimensional team who got lucky with Jeff Garcia.  I'm not gonna start praising Kolb as our savor and god, but give the guy a chance.  Give him a line that he can stay in and not have to roll out every single play.  He fits well into a west coast offense, has an effective runner, and has receivers that can stretch the field.

Bill Cowher for the win!
I'm so glad u recognized the point with Marty too cause honestly they took off that season when Reid gave up play calling.

11/23/08
0
I just don't know why you pull McNabb at halftime when your only down by 3.

11/23/08
8
bhopp4p1 wrote:
I just don't know why you pull McNabb at halftime when your only down by 3.
Because losing by 30 just seemed so much better.

Or maybe it was out of respect for all that McNabb has done for the team, putting up huge numbers year after year even though TO was the only legit WR he's ever had.

This was a dick move by Andy Reid, plain and simple. He was trying to throw McNabb under the bus and use him as a scapegoat for Andy's mediocrity, and it backfired enormously.

That being said, Kolb (or someone else) is the future of the franchise. If they are going to return to the level they were at for a while, they'll need someone other than McNabb.

11/23/08
1
McNabb still has a ridiculous arm and can still move very well, but we never see it because for some stupid reason Andy Reid thinks he has a dropback pocket QB on his team.

I'll quote my best friend who is also a Philly Eagles fan and what he said today.  "Andy Reid is a bad coach and a worse father."

11/23/08
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
I am just glad that I benched McNabb on my fantasy team
So did I, for Kerry Collins.

Collins got me 15 points, McNabb would have gotten me -1.

...and I started Baltimore's D. :)

11/23/08
0
snbslugger wrote:
So did I, for Kerry Collins.

Collins got me 15 points, McNabb would have gotten me -1.

...and I started Baltimore's D. :)
Nice, I went with Jason Campbell. To think I was actually debating McNabb or Brees. I made the right call on that one too.

11/23/08
0
I got absolutely destroyed in fantasy football this week...

If Drew Brees gets more than 8 fantasy points tomorrow, then all 5 of my teams will lose this week.

11/23/08
0
Pat wrote:
I got absolutely destroyed in fantasy football this week...

If Drew Brees gets more than 8 fantasy points tomorrow, then all 5 of my teams will lose this week.
I had Warner, TO, and Matt Forte against gearhead so I probably kicked his ass this week and clinched my playoff spot.

11/23/08
2
Jubanator14 wrote:
I had Warner, TO, and Matt Forte against gearhead so I probably kicked his ass this week and clinched my playoff spot.
Appropriately enough, this has been my Andy Reid year in fantasy. I might as well just gain a hundred pounds and call it done.

11/23/08
0
gearhead wrote:
Appropriately enough, this has been my Andy Reid year in fantasy. I might as well just gain a hundred pounds and call it done.
Unless Brees goes off tomorrow night.

11/23/08
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Unless Brees goes off tomorrow night.
Do I really want that to happen?

11/23/08
0
(Edited by Jubanator14)
Exactly....catch-22. Especially since I have Brees on another team and I might need him to win but beating a stranger isn't as fun 

11/24/08
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Exactly....catch-22. Especially since I have Brees on another team and I might need him to win but beating a stranger isn't as fun 
That's why I try to draft identical teams so as to not have this issue... good thing I started my other studs to combat my McNizzlation for this week.

11/24/08
0
snbslugger wrote:
McNabb still has a ridiculous arm and can still move very well, but we never see it because for some stupid reason Andy Reid thinks he has a dropback pocket QB on his team.

I'll quote my best friend who is also a Philly Eagles fan and what he said today.  "Andy Reid is a bad coach and a worse father."
That's a great quote,  I don't think he's a bad coach I think he's a bad GM and bad O coordinator as of late.  Get a single guy to be a GM cause I've seen Andy hold grudges (like we never should have let Trotter go in the first place before he came back).  Also really can we spend money?  I know there's a economic depression but break some cheddar off for someone!!?!?!

11/24/08
0
MrNFL wrote:
Even though he's probably done, I think he's probably earned himself another head coaching job somewhere down the road.  Dude's had a lot more good seasons' then bad. 
This year and MAYBE next year we have seen the last of McNabb in Philly. Andy may go soon after. The Eagles have run their course with this set of personnel. Change is necessary because the division they're in has gotten a lot tougher. Once it looked like the whole division would make the playoffs and NOW The Eagles are the first to fall. They still have good players but need better leadership.

11/24/08
1
The whole situation is a mess but hey Mcnabb since the Browns cant draft a Qb worth a crap then come over and join the squad.. lol

11/24/08
0
I don't know how this can be a split arguement. Anyone that doesn't think they need to blow it up and start over in Philly has blinders on. They are going nowhere with that roster and coaching staff.

11/24/08
1
No way is Kevin Kolb the answer but Reid will have another couple years to get it right (strictly outta loyalty)...McNabb is done in Philly

11/24/08
0
Completely agree. They have no better options for QB or head coach anywhere in that organization. Time to blow it up and get some draft picks. Their window is definately shut.

11/24/08
1
It's impossibly too early to decide whether Kolb is the answer or not.  Eli Manning was terrible for a while before everyone got behind him ... there was even speculation among experts on tv about him possibly being let go if he didn't improve.

Now that McFlabb has been benched they might as well leave him there.  He's done about all he can for this organization.  Kolb deserves more than 2 quarters to prove his worth, so the rest of the season ought to be up to him to make or break.  After a couple game everyone will know whether he needs to be canc'd or kept.

11/25/08
0
LOL ... And we'll all sing Kumbyah

11/26/08
1
YESSSS!!!

I'll meet you at the altar!  hahahahahahaha

 
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