God Bless Jim Hendry

12/8/06 in MLB   |   chuck23   |   0 respect

According to early reports from WGN Radio out of Chicago, the Chicago Cubs have moved to plan B after missing out on signing Gil Meche and have signed former St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Jason Marquis for a 3 year, 27 million dollar contract, with incentives that could allow the pitcher to make upwards of 30 million over the length of the contract.  If Mr. Hendry has indeed reached an agreement with Marquis, he has greatly improved his biggest rivals, the St. Louis Cardinals.

My initial reaction to this was (A) Mr. Hendry has not yet shaken off the medications he has been receiving while being hospitalized down in Florida, or (B) The doctor performing the angioplasty and caring for him is a Cardinals fan, and has been sending him subliminal messages while medicating his patient

To Cardinals fans:
Once (IF) this signing becomes official, it is our duty as loyal fans and self proclaimed "Best Baseball fans in America" to add Jim Hendry to our Christmas card list. (He wasn't on the list already???)

To Cub fans:
Once (IF) this signing becomes official, I highly recommend those of you attending games out on Waveland Avenue to warm up your arms early as to not hurt yourself, if you plan on keeping that time honored tradition of throwing back home runs hit by opposing teams. (Which should only be allowed at Wrigley, but that rant will be for another time)

(Editor's Note: I don't approve of this message for I am an eternal optimist bordering on delusional, as required by a card carrying member of Cubdom. And was Gil Meche really plan A ... dude really need his heart checked didn't he)
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12/9/06   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Maurer wrote:
Once again, he is only a 4 million dollar risk, plus he was injured a lot of the year last year, marquis wasn't. Bottomw line for me is, the cubs gave marquis WAY too much money. And could end up paying for it BIG TIME

I'm talking 2007, and thus talking more talent wise than monetary wise, and frankly, I don't think Kip Wells is that good. So, if Reyes and Wainwright don't perform well (which they certainly can do), the Cards are going to have rotation problems.

12/9/06   |   Maurer   |   2 respect

Once again, he is only a 4 million dollar risk, plus he was injured a lot of the year last year, marquis wasn't. Bottomw line for me is, the cubs gave marquis WAY too much money. And could end up paying for it BIG TIME

12/9/06   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Both the Cubs and Cardinals have risks in their rotation, the only difference is the Cubs spent more money for their risks. The Cards need Reyes to break through, for Wainwright to get back in the swing of being a starter, and Wells to stay healthy and now post an ERA in the 6's again.

The Cubs main risk is Marquis obviously, but Lilly should be good to eat innings and be league average. BTW, Marquis' ERA was 6.02 last year, Wells 6.50. Both teams have question marks. If the question marks work out, they could win what will probably be another crappy NL Central. My team thinks Jay Payton is the answer at left field and will finish 4th again.

12/9/06   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Maurer wrote:
Plus gearhead, theres a huge difference in giving a guy 1 million guaranteed for one year, another 27 millions guaranteed for 3 years. Ponson was a risk, but a low risk, Marquis a multi-year is a HUGE risk. And with very little chance for success, just like Ponson. However, if there is success, it could be a HUGE payoff. I wouldn't be optimistic however.

I'm aware of that, although I can't believe you'd think Sir Fatso would be a success.

12/9/06   |   Maurer   |   2 respect

Plus gearhead, theres a huge difference in giving a guy 1 million guaranteed for one year, another 27 millions guaranteed for 3 years. Ponson was a risk, but a low risk, Marquis a multi-year is a HUGE risk. And with very little chance for success, just like Ponson. However, if there is success, it could be a HUGE payoff. I wouldn't be optimistic however.

12/9/06   |   chuck23

I think I posted something at the beginning of the season about this past year being Jason Marquis breakout year.... I was also rather optimistic about Ponson, after reading all the reports on Sidney Ponson, I felt that he was going to turn the corner.  Both of these  pitchers have / had an enormous upside, my feeling was put them in an environment like St. Louis, where there is pressure to win, yet the media is very forgiving and rarely holds the player's feet to the proverbial fire. 
   Ponson was an absolute bust simple as that.  Marquis on the other hand, I would not call a bust, he had a few key games but was way too streaky for a contending major league team.  My personal feeling is that if you can wear Marquis down, you would be better off.  Will he ever be a # 2 or # 3 starter?  no, but he will be a durable # 4 to 5 that can eat plenty of innings.  I honestly wish him well, except when he plays the Cardinals, I will add this question for Cub fans.  When is the last time the Cubs signed a Cardinals player as a free agent and the signing actually worked in favor of the Cubs?

12/8/06   |   Scott   |   54133 respect

Eric_ wrote:
What I'm trying to figure out is how Cards fans can gripe about Marquis when they started the year with Sidney Ponson?

Cardinal fans werent expecting much from Sidney Ponson.  He was one of those guys the Cards got off the scrap heap hoping to be a decent 5th starter so Reyes could stay in AAA.  Jason Marquis has always been an engima for the Cardinals.  Yes, the ability is there but he doesnt seem to be able to use it consistently and he doesnt seem to have the mental makeup to get thru when someone makes a mistake behind him or a call goes his way.  Once Marquis gets it through his head that he isnt a power pitcher and that his sinker is his bets pitch, then he will consistently succeed as a pitcher.  Dave Duncan realized that and tried to tell Marquis but he didnt listen.  Instead, his ERA ballooned to near 6, Cards management grew frustrated with his attitude, he was left off the postseason roster for all 3 rounds and now his Cardinal tenure is over 

12/8/06   |   CriticalFanatic

wrote:
don't you know?? We gripe about everything!!

Actually, you guys aren't too bad. (turning my head and looking eastward)

If we had more fans from those squads ... oh boy, watchout.

12/8/06   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

What I'm trying to figure out is how Cards fans can gripe about Marquis when they started the year with Sidney Ponson?

12/8/06   |   CriticalFanatic

Maurer wrote:
Are you kidding Critical, I can't think of a fan on here that wasn't absolutely pissed at Marquis and his mentality, why do you think that the Cardinals showed NO INTEREST in signing the guy. He's a moron, and he is a not a good pitcher, good luck. You'll need it with him. Oh yeah, Carpenter, Wells, Reyes, Wainwright, and someone that Walt picks up, looks a lot better then that foolish rotation... So I have no idea what your point was there, reguardless, we have a ring, and you wont be getting one with that rotation...

Nothing personal ... I just hadn't recalled hearing Cards fan bashing Marquis like, but I don't spend time reading the cards forums so I thought I'd ask an honest question.

"regardless we have a ring, and you won't be  getting one with that rotation ..."

If I'm ever to claim the Cubs are going to get a ring, check my pulse and then call the doctor. Are you feeling okay today Mauer?

12/8/06   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Maurer wrote:
Are you kidding Critical, I can't think of a fan on here that wasn't absolutely pissed at Marquis and his mentality, why do you think that the Cardinals showed NO INTEREST in signing the guy. He's a moron, and he is a not a good pitcher, good luck. You'll need it with him. Oh yeah, Carpenter, Wells, Reyes, Wainwright, and someone that Walt picks up, looks a lot better then that foolish rotation... So I have no idea what your point was there, reguardless, we have a ring, and you wont be getting one with that rotation...

So Wainwright isn't staying in the bullpen? Even so, I don't think there's that much difference between the two rotations at this point. At least not until Reyes and Wainwright establish themselves as starters.

12/8/06   |   Maurer   |   2 respect

Are you kidding Critical, I can't think of a fan on here that wasn't absolutely pissed at Marquis and his mentality, why do you think that the Cardinals showed NO INTEREST in signing the guy. He's a moron, and he is a not a good pitcher, good luck. You'll need it with him. Oh yeah, Carpenter, Wells, Reyes, Wainwright, and someone that Walt picks up, looks a lot better then that foolish rotation... So I have no idea what your point was there, reguardless, we have a ring, and you wont be getting one with that rotation...

12/8/06   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

CriticalFanatic wrote:
Easy guys ... December through the end of the April are the only months I get to enjoy being a Cubs fan ;)

As "bad" as Lilly and Marquis may be ... they are an improvement from last years staff. I know that's not saying much, but hey ... baby cub steps.

It looks like the Cubs are going with Zambrano-Lilly-Hill-Marquis, and anything they get from Prior, Miller, or the rest of the flotsam is a bonus, which is probably the way to go.

Now about that offense...

So, what exactly is the Cards rotation at this point? Carpenter and...?

12/8/06   |   CriticalFanatic

Were you guys all saying these things about Marquis during the season? Wow. I guess I don't remember.

12/8/06   |   Maurer   |   2 respect

Only a Cub fan would rationalize this signing, the dudes a joke, he flat out is an idiot, he wants to pitch his own way, and his own way is awful. Rothschild isn't going to get him to pitch any different then Duncan could, those two pitching coachs seem to do OK as far as every other pitcher in the game, because IMHO, they are they two best in the game. NOTHING can merit giving this guy 27 million over 3 years. He's not worth it. And never will be.

12/8/06   |   TheDondino

Scott wrote:

I think someone needs to check Hendry's meds.  Jason Marquis has been managed by two of the best pitching coaches in baseball and still has nothing to show for it.  He doesnt listen and he gives up a bunch of homeruns because he refuses to throw his best pitch.  There is no way he's going to succeed while pitching half his games in Wrigley. 

He's never gotten along very well with Mazzone and Duncan, which I think is why he's always shown flashes of great stuff, but could never consistently put it all together.  Reports out of Chicago say he's talked numerous times with Larry Rothschild and the two already have a great relationship.  If Larry can unlock the potential, then this could be a great signing.  But that's a big IF.

 

This is a big "upside" signing if it goes through.  I'd rather the Cubs go with something a little more proven, like Suppan, especially for the reported $9 mil per year, but I'm not the GM.  Larry thinks he can unleash the potential, so I'll go along with it since the staff seems to know what they are getting themselves into.

12/8/06   |   CriticalFanatic

Easy guys ... December through the end of the April are the only months I get to enjoy being a Cubs fan ;)

As "bad" as Lilly and Marquis may be ... they are an improvement from last years staff. I know that's not saying much, but hey ... baby cub steps.

12/8/06   |   chuck23

One thing is for sure, if in fact the signing becomes official.......the Cubs will have the best two hitting pitchers in all of baseball.

12/8/06   |   Scott   |   54133 respect

(Edited by Scott)

I think someone needs to check Hendry's meds.  Jason Marquis has been managed by two of the best pitching coaches in baseball and still has nothing to show for it.  He doesnt listen and he gives up a bunch of homeruns because he refuses to throw his best pitch.  There is no way he's going to succeed while pitching half his games in Wrigley.