Hold off on the Brodeur love fest please! He's not as close to the record as you think!

10/20/08 in NHL   |   Gazzo   |   18 respect

    Stop the presses! Put a hold on that order of Martin Brodeur autographed curtains! NEWS FLASH, he's not really 9 wins away from tying Patrick Roy for the most wins all time! While you're at it, scrap that plaque you bought in the mall commemorating his breaking the single season wins record. Yup you guessed it Sherlock! He doesn't hold that record either.

    You're pretty confused at this point. Blame Gary Bettman. O yea and that crazy little thing called a shootout.

    In reality, Mr. Brodeur has 515 wins NOT 542. At least in the reality of "Hey I wanna pass the all time wins record, and put possibly the best goalie ever in the #2 spot". Patrick Roy did NOT have the benefit of a Shootout. If he did, this discussion wouldn't even be on the horizon, because you can bet your autographed curtains that he would have won at least half of his 131 ties. Yea sure Brodeur played most of his career with ties too, but he only has 105. Assuming they both win half of their ties, that's another 65 wins for Roy and 52 for Brodeur. That would leave him 49 wins shy of the record, and like I said, this conversation doesn't happen this season.

    Back to reality. Obviously the game of hockey has changed over the years, as all sports do. This makes it very hard for statisticians to keep a fair count on records and who holds them. I understand this. But this situation is pretty clear. Martin Brodeur IS NOT the single season record holder for wins (neither is Luongo for the same reasons). It's still Bernie Parent. He didn't have shootouts either, yet still managed to win 47 games. As for the career record, shootouts are obviously now part of the game. However that doesn't mean that we should start handing out records to players who haven't really earned them. I have no problem with Brodeur being the all-time leader so long as he earns it! That means he needs to win another 36 games in regulation or OT to claim the record.

     Am I wasting my breath with this whole thing? It's debatable, since the last time Brodeur failed to win at least 36 games was the 96-97 season. So it's more than fair to say that he breaks the record this season either way. The career one anyway. He'll never be the single season leader.
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10/22/08   |   nyrangers   |   192 respect

kramer wrote:
The Pens certainly don't have anything wrapped up without Gonchar & Whitney.  They also won't win anything if they play sit on the lead like they did last week against the Devils & Caps.

But the point is that once you have secured a playoff spot, there is no need to overplay your goaltender. If you want to overplay your starter at the begining of the year until you clinch a playoff spot towards the end of the season, I have no problem with that, but you need to rest him at least a little before playoff time when it matters

Regardless, if you can't win games without your starting goaltender in net, you don't deserve to win the Cup, or be in the playoffs for that matter (unless the backup is the biggest scrub on the planet)

10/21/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

Gazzo wrote:
Yea but if you have the damn thing wrapped up already who cares what your back up does?

The Pens certainly don't have anything wrapped up without Gonchar & Whitney.  They also won't win anything if they play sit on the lead like they did last week against the Devils & Caps.

10/21/08   |   Gazzo   |   18 respect

kramer wrote:
I agree there, the problem is they don't have anyone who can be a solid backup.  I could say the same thing about the Pens, as now that Conklin is gone, they have no depth at goalie IMO.  As far as I'm concerned, Sabourin is garbage.  I'm thinking that's probably why the Devils kinda have to play Brodeur as much as possible, likewise the Pens have to play Fleury as much as they can.

Yea but if you have the damn thing wrapped up already who cares what your back up does?

10/20/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

nyrangers wrote:
The Devils still play Broduer continuously even after they clinch a playoff spot. I can understand they want a high seed, but if I recall correctly, they still don't give him a break, just like in the 06-07 season when he "broke" the most wins record. He looked very shotty in the Tampa Bay series

I agree there, the problem is they don't have anyone who can be a solid backup.  I could say the same thing about the Pens, as now that Conklin is gone, they have no depth at goalie IMO.  As far as I'm concerned, Sabourin is garbage.  I'm thinking that's probably why the Devils kinda have to play Brodeur as much as possible, likewise the Pens have to play Fleury as much as they can.

10/20/08   |   nyrangers   |   192 respect

kramer wrote:
To be perfectly honest, the Devils have no choice but to overplay Brodeur if they want to even get to the playoffs.  They don't have that great of a backup goalie.

The Devils still play Broduer continuously even after they clinch a playoff spot. I can understand they want a high seed, but if I recall correctly, they still don't give him a break, just like in the 06-07 season when he "broke" the most wins record. He looked very shotty in the Tampa Bay series

10/20/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

nyrangers wrote:
Either way, you know the Devils are going to overplay him just so he can break/lengthen records, which will incidentally cause him to be worn out for the playoffs when it REALLY matters

To be perfectly honest, the Devils have no choice but to overplay Brodeur if they want to even get to the playoffs.  They don't have that great of a backup goalie.

10/20/08   |   nyrangers   |   192 respect

Either way, you know the Devils are going to overplay him just so he can break/lengthen records, which will incidentally cause him to be worn out for the playoffs when it REALLY matters

10/20/08   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

Gazzo wrote:
I meant to say that in there. Yea I think so.

Ok, cool. I agree with that. It's kinda like the whole hub-bub with Maris breaking Ruth's single season HR record, but playing in a 162-game season instead of 154. Once someone hit more than 60 HR in the first 154 games of a season, that argument became extinct.

10/20/08   |   Gazzo   |   18 respect

Pat wrote:
Once he breaks the record "for real", does it become acceptable to count the shootout wins too, since everyone from here on out will have the same advantage?

I meant to say that in there. Yea I think so.

10/20/08   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

Once he breaks the record "for real", does it become acceptable to count the shootout wins too, since everyone from here on out will have the same advantage?

10/20/08   |   Gazzo   |   18 respect

Jess wrote:
Do we want to start a countdown here of the Regulation wins so we know when he really breaks the record?

I think that would be an awesome idea! Though the Devils fans might protest!

10/20/08   |   Jess   |   34876 respect

Do we want to start a countdown here of the Regulation wins so we know when he really breaks the record?