Honda Indy Toronto Live Thread

IndyCar Heads North for a Demolition Derby [Honda Indy Toronto Live Thread]

7/8/12 in IndyCar   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Blog Photo - Honda Indy Toronto Live ThreadThe IndyCar Series is known for being a finesse series, one where rubbin' isn't racin', since the cars won't let that happen. IndyCars are seen as cars where you must get around your opponent, not run through them.

Toronto is the exception.

For whatever reason, the last few races at Toronto have been wreck-fests, primarily in Turn 3, the main passing zone. This video with last year's "highlights," and the accompanying music, shows how chaotic it was. This race last year is where Dario punted Will Power, and Will responded by saying "I always race him clean, and he always races me dirty." It heated up their rivalry, which of course went through the season and the championship hunt, won by Dario yet again. This is the also the race where Power famously called Alex Tagliani a wanker.

So far this weekend, there doesn't seem to be much evidence this race will much different. Power has already had feuds this weekend with Simon Pagenaud, Takuma Sato, and this morning Ryan Hunter-Reay. In the morning warm-up, Hunter-Reay hit Power in the infamous Turn 3. That has significance since Hunter-Reay, on the strength of back-to-back wins, trails Power by just 3 points in the championship. More serious though was an incident in the pits Friday, when Justin Wilson and Sebastien Bourdais collided, injuring four crew members.

On the track, Dario Franchitti ended up taking the pole from Power at the last minute by just .0247 seconds. The two will start on the front row. Wilson and Bourdais rebounded from their mishap on Friday to take the second row. The big Canadian hopeful this week, Toronto native James Hinchcliffe, will start in the back in 19th, thanks to a 10 spot engine change penalty. That 10 spot penalty affects the other Canadian in the field, Tagliani, dropping him to 16th on the grid.

There's been an important change this week, as Push-to-Pass, has been reimplemented. To put PTP in, the boost on the engine has been reduced when running normally. The PTP will give the engine a temporary boost. This seems like a silly decision since the racing has been pretty good this year, and given the biggest complaint about the new car is that it needs *more* power. This, along with a lot of other crap right now I won't get into, has left many IndyCar fans the last two weeks wondering yet again about the stability and long-term future of this series.

Luckily for us, we finally have a race to focus on instead of off-track issues. Green flag is at 1:00 on ABC. My pick is, reluctantly given how this race goes, is Power, and I won't even hazard a darkhorse guess. Timing and scoring can be found here, and More Front Wing's Event Summary can be found here.

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7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Also, I'm traveling in 2 weeks (start of vacation) and will miss the Edmonton race, so it's on you Debi if we have a live thread. wink

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Debi_L wrote:
Liking that finish :)

So with today's finish, the talk of IndyCar adopting GWC is back, most of it from NASCAR people. Some of it is legitimate inquiry (Jenna Fryer), some of it is people being snarky dicks (Jim Utter). What do you think? To me, it just feels so gimmicky, and I think copying NASCAR is just a bad idea overall for the most part.

7/8/12   |   Debi_L   |   11297 respect

Liking that finish :)

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Unofficial Results:

1. Ryan Hunter-Reay
2. Charlie Kimball (fantastic drive for him and well deserved career high finish)
3. Mike Conway
4. Tony Kanaan
5. Oriol Servia
6. Helio Castroneves
7. JR Hildebrand
8. James Jakes (career high for Jakes, although helped by the last restart insanity)
9. Takuma Sato
10. Alex Tagliani
11. Rubens Barrichello
12. Simon Pagenaud
13. Josef Newgarden -1 lap (so close, and yet so far away)
14. Sebastien Bourdais -1 lap
15. Will Power -1 lap
16. Marco Andretti -1 lap
17. Dario Franchitti -1 lap
18. Ed Carpenter -1 lap
19. Ryan Briscoe -2 laps
20. EJ Viso -4 laps
21. Justin Wilson DNF (Contact)
22. James Hinchcliffe DNF (Mechanical)
23. Graham Rahal DNF (Contact)
24. Simona de Silvestro DNF (Mechanical)
25. Scott Dixon DNF (Mechanical)

Points situation to come shortly. RHR is up 34 on Power.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

So, this is how the last restart happened. It started in turn 1 when Conway went inside of Kimball. Conway hit Kimball, who thus ran into Bourdais on the outside. Bourdais ended up in the tires, and later Rubens spun for some reason.

Then in the entrance of turn 3, Dario punts Briscoe, who ends up in the wall. Marco then in the corner stops for some reason, collecting Pagenaud (who was due for a drive through penalty) and Carpenter. Completely chaotic and embarrassing. DERP.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Hunter-Reay wins under caution, Kimball 2nd, Conway sneaks into 3rd, then TK and Servia. Full results to come, as well as whatever the hell happened on that last restart.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

There are no words to describe that last restart. Absolute cluster*bleep*

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Pagenaud, Barrichello, and Briscoe pit during the caution. Bourdais now 3rd.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Sarah Fisher is pissed and she has every right to be. Pagenaud screwed her team out of a top 5 finish, if not a podium. He better be penalized.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Pagenaud blocks Newgarden and sends Newgarden in the tires in turn 3. He can't get it refired. Absolute shame that another great run by Josef goes to waste. Full course yellow.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

TK is really dropping back now, down to 7th. Newgarden up to 4th. RHR has long since checked out.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Charlie Kimball with a great move to get by TK and Pagenaud for 2nd! Pagenaud also gets by TK to stay in 3rd. TK back to 4th. Newgarden by Briscoe for 5th.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Hunter-Reay good on fuel with 15 to go. TK and Pagenaud being told to save.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Hunter-Reay up over 5 seconds, and he almost certainly doesn't need to pit. It's looking very good to win.

Something went wrong with Wilson's car. He slowed like a rock, went to the pits, and that was it. He's out.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Best battle on track is Pagenaud and Kimball (yes, Kimball) for 3rd. Simon is making full use of the defending rule.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Power does pit for the new front wing, and he is now 20th and a lap down. Huge with Hunter-Reay in the lead.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Meanwhile, we have a battle for the lead between RHR and TK. Pagenaud is third but doesn't necessarily have the fuel to make it to the end.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Nevermind, they only changed tires, but the wing is clearly broken, and the pit stop obviously didn't help him with track position.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Contact between Barrichello and Power, and Power has to pit for a new front wing! The title chase turns again.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Pit stops starting again.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

TK is ridiculous on restarts. He's up to 3rd despite a drive-through earlier for running over pit equipment.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

T/S was wrong. Power is 12th. Unfortunately, Hinchcliffe is in the pits and looks done.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Yep, Pagenaud inherits the lead, with Briscoe 2nd. Power pitted and still got out 3rd, followed by RHR and Hinchcilffe. Bourdais in 14th in the next best guy who pit. Dario had problems and is now 21st. It's really not Ganassi's day.

7/8/12   |   Debi_L   |   11297 respect

Good morning, Eric.  Lazing around drinking coffee and Carolan's, debating whether to go to the clubhouse to watch the race....but if I do I know I will have to work 

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Graham locks 'em up in turn 2, and ends up in the wall. Full course caution. The leaders hadn't pitted yet. Top guy who has pit is Pagenaud, who should inherit the lead.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Festival of pit strategy now. Without the expected carnage, we're seeing it turn into a usual street race, although there's still some passing down the line.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Dixon is stopped in the run off area in turn 1. Looks like an engine blow. He's 3rd in points. A huge hit for his title chances, and a big break for Power.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Power passes Dario for the lead, and immediately starts trying to check out. Good action so far.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Somehow they got through Turn 3 clean the first two times. Dario jumped the start essentially and has the lead. Wilson got by Power for 2nd.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Alright, I've got the race on TV and the match online. That'll work.

7/8/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

The broadcast has started, although my eye right now is also heavily tied toward Wimbledon at the moment.