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2/13/08
Jason Kidd Traded To Dallas Mavericks, New Jersey Nets Acquire Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse and Three Others
This is getting ridiculous. Let's just trade all Eastern Conference talent to the West. Either the East will eventually develop all this trade bait into a power, or it's going to turn into an advanced NBDL.

The Dallas Mavericks and New Jersey Nets have agreed in principle to a trade involving Jason Kidd. Here's the breakdown:

Nets Get:
Devin Harris
Jerry Stackhouse
DeSagna Diop
Devean George
Maurice Ager

Mavericks Get:
Jason Kidd
Malik Allen

The Lakers made their championship push in acquiring Pau Gasol, Phoenix took a big gamble with Shaq, and now it's Mark Cuban's turn.

It's fair to say New Jersey didn't lose this trade, they've exchanged an older point guard with a huge contract for a young talent in Devin Harris, but they certainly don't win. Kidd will be an effective defender on Steve Nash and increase Dirk Nowitzki and Josh Howard's overall effectiveness.

Where does this put the Mavs in the Western race? I'd still put the Suns and Lakers over the Mavs.
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2/13/08
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I am pretty sure we could find the 12 best basketball players on FanIQ and at least capture the 8th seed in the East.

2/13/08
0

Dang-- I just heard about this trade going down....  Good move for the Mavs.

 

Well, my money is on the next player to be traded is.....

 

Jermaine O'Neal

 

And the next player after him to be traded is.....

 

Vince Carter

 

Let the firesale on Eastern Conference all-star talent continue


2/13/08
1
(Edited by CriticalFanatic)
I'd be more than happy if the Bulls perceived "talent" gets raided.

2/13/08
0
This is an improvement for the Mavericks, but probably not enough.  The Mavs were the one team where trading for Shaq actually would've made sense, and I think that would've been bigger than bringing in J-Kidd (even though Kidd is clearly the better player of the two.)  So who does San Antonio go after? Mike Miller?

2/13/08
1
As soon as Mark Cuban said this trade wasn't going to happen...I knew it was only a matter of time.

2/13/08
0
Horrible horrible trade, woooow the Nets are doomed for the time being

2/13/08
1
Ugh... f-you Rod Thorn. It's just a matter of time before he loses his job over this. Amazingly, the Nets are going to be even worse off because of this trade.

2/13/08
0
(Edited by kantwistaye)
PresEmart wrote:
Horrible horrible trade, woooow the Nets are doomed for the time being

They got Devin Harris and were forced into trading Jason Kidd.  This was a good trade considering the situation.  If they could get rid of VC's horrible contract (for maybe Jermaine O'Neal) and add another decent peice through the draft they'll be back in the top half of the East.  Rod Thorn knows what he's doing. New Jersey will be fine.

 

Edit to add: According to the neat new lil feature on ESPN's trade machine, Dallas is making a huge mistake.  They'd be effecting their winning percentage by -17% or so.  I don't buy into that, but I do think this trade isn't as big of a win for Dallas as its being made out to be, if at all.


2/13/08
0
kantwistaye wrote:

They got Devin Harris and were forced into trading Jason Kidd.  This was a good trade considering the situation.  If they could get rid of VC's horrible contract (for maybe Jermaine O'Neal) and add another decent peice through the draft they'll be back in the top half of the East.  Rod Thorn knows what he's doing. New Jersey will be fine.

 

Edit to add: According to the neat new lil feature on ESPN's trade machine, Dallas is making a huge mistake.  They'd be effecting their winning percentage by -17% or so.  I don't buy into that, but I do think this trade isn't as big of a win for Dallas as its being made out to be, if at all.

Thorn does have a decent trade record as far as the players he's shipped out. Just about all of them have gone down hill. That said, he'd have to score big with someone like Ager coming along if this is perceived to be a good trade.

2/13/08
0
CriticalFanatic wrote:
Thorn does have a decent trade record as far as the players he's shipped out. Just about all of them have gone down hill. That said, he'd have to score big with someone like Ager coming along if this is perceived to be a good trade.
Key word is percieved.  They already got their long term point guard in Harris, which was the key concern when Kidd left.  In my opinion, there's no way they lost this trade, and if a guy like Ager does end up contributing they most certainly won.  Its also possible that both teams win, but the only way Dallas wins is if they win the championship with Kidd.  Otherwise it would have to be considered a loss because they gave up their future long term point guard.

2/13/08
2

Jeesh, this is turning into some turn of the 1900's arms race!  Did I miss something by watching Fox News? Has the Kaiser moved out to the western U.S. and begun mobilizing forces against the Czar?  It's not the worst trade EVER, I guess!  It would take a lot to out-stink that Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale trade to Boston for a nobody.  Hell, it's not even the worst trade this year as that would be the Pau Gasol theft trade for Kwame Brown.  The Nets are gonna be opening their brand new state of the art arena next year in NYC with Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse, and DeSagna Diop.  Gotham can't be down with that!  Guess it is good thing for the Nets that the Knicks show no signs of crawling out of the commode and wiping off the reeking, brown, sewage slime that has grown permanently encrusted upon them in the Isaiah Thomas era.

Signed,

Chachi "I hate that post stealing Eddie Guerrero" Azzhola


2/13/08
7
I am pretty sure we could find the 12 best basketball players on FanIQ and at least capture the 8th seed in the East.

2/13/08
1
Chachi_Azzhola wrote:

Jeesh, this is turning into some turn of the 1900's arms race!  Did I miss something by watching Fox News? Has the Kaiser moved out to the western U.S. and begun mobilizing forces against the Czar?  It's not the worst trade EVER, I guess!  It would take a lot to out-stink that Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale trade to Boston for a nobody.  Hell, it's not even the worst trade this year as that would be the Pau Gasol theft trade for Kwame Brown.  The Nets are gonna be opening their brand new state of the art arena next year in NYC with Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse, and DeSagna Diop.  Gotham can't be down with that!  Guess it is good thing for the Nets that the Knicks show no signs of crawling out of the commode and wiping off the reeking, brown, sewage slime that has grown permanently encrusted upon them in the Isaiah Thomas era.

Signed,

Chachi "I hate that post stealing Eddie Guerrero" Azzhola

Hey Joe Barley Breathing was a great pick up for the Warriors.

 

But it does appear that we may be seeing the Basketballs of April unfolding in the NBA. Whats next? Steve Kerr is going to try to execute the Von Schleffen Plan for the Western Conference Playoffs? Will the Lakers defend the sovereignty of the Pacers if they are invaded? This could all spin out of control and then the next thing you know we have DOG AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER. MASS HYSTERIA!

 

 


2/13/08
2

DAmn, who REALLY posted the above?  I'll give you a "smart" tag and a "thumbs up" for working in Guns of August and Schlieffen Plan references into the same e-mail.  Post again, Bro, to get your props 'cause we all know aint no one post Spurs fan really wrote that!

Signed,

Chachi "I hate Post-Thievers" Azzhola


2/13/08
0
(Edited by Boski93)

Looking at this deal, I just don't know.

 

It helps getting Kidd, and you can see the Mavs see that they need to make something happen so get a play-maker. My big concerns with it for them is that this makes the Mavs even softer inside. Especially if your going to send Diop out. Who is going to be on the boards and D'ing up the big men. I mean is Dirk really going to clamp down on Gasol, Duncan, O'Neal? If so then I will have you talk to Mr. Spreewell for financial advise. The Mavs also were able to get rid of some waste which will give them flexibility for next season. Yes I am talking about you Devon George, and yes they were ashamed of you. There I said it. 

 

As for the Nets, I if they play this right they might be alright? They play in the East so it only a fox hole they have dug not a well. I really like Harris and I think he could be an All-Star, but that is still a big if. But these are the Nets and this could blow up in their face. It will be fascinating to see this all go down.

 

Now since I am not an NBA GM, or that any of my fantasy hoop team have ever done well. I could be very wrong about this and it is great for the both teams or it could burn them both for years to come. 

 

Good to see the NBA add some drama and intrigue to the season. It will definitely help come playoff time, because at least out West you are going to have some very compelling match ups.

 

And yes there will be blood!


2/13/08
1
Chachi_Azzhola wrote:

DAmn, who REALLY posted the above?  I'll give you a "smart" tag and a "thumbs up" for working in Guns of August and Schlieffen Plan references into the same e-mail.  Post again, Bro, to get your props 'cause we all know aint no one post Spurs fan really wrote that!

Signed,

Chachi "I hate Post-Thievers" Azzhola

I will take credit for that one. I do not know why it did that and not have my info on there but it did. Hey anytime you can put NBA trades and Barbra Tucuman together you got yourself a party.

 

Yes, I am history nerd. There I said it.


2/13/08
0
Jon wrote:
I am pretty sure we could find the 12 best basketball players on FanIQ and at least capture the 8th seed in the East.
I am down for that. I can run the point.

2/13/08
1
(Edited by Chachi_Azzhola)
Boski93 wrote:

I will take credit for that one. I do not know why it did that and not have my info on there but it did. Hey anytime you can put NBA trades and Barbra Tucuman together you got yourself a party.

 

Yes, I am history nerd. There I said it.

Gave you your well-deserved thumb for the earlier post!  Had trouble deciding between smart and funny choices though.  Went "smart" as figured others would give you "funny".  No prob on that history nerd down here.  I picked up a completely unnecessary master's degree in the stuff.  Never used the freakin' degree, of course, - it doesn't really come into play much in the real world -- but I got one. Definitely let me know the next time you and Mrs. Tuchman are partyin'!  I love WWI references!

2/13/08
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Chachi_Azzhola wrote:
Gave you your well-deserved thumb for the earlier post!  Had trouble deciding between smart and funny choices though.  Went "smart" as figured others would give you "funny".  No prob on that history nerd down here.  I picked up a completely unnecessary master's degree in the stuff.  Never used the freakin' degree, of course, - it doesn't really come into play much in the real world -- but I got one. Definitely let me know the next time you and Mrs. Tuchman are partyin'!  I love WWI references!

Done and done. I am glad I could provide amusement.

 

Now I have to bolt, my manager is about to Battle of the Somme on me for not having my coversheet for the TPX report.


2/13/08
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Honestly, I think this is a steal for the Mavs. We get Stack back in 30 days anyways after he resigns.

According to ESPN.com
"The Nets are expected to buy out Stackhouse's contract immediately, which could enable him to re-sign with Dallas if he waits 30 days."

  "I feel great. I get 30 days to rest, then I'll be right back," Stackhouse said. "I ain't going nowhere.""

2/13/08
0
"Where does this put the Mavs in the Western race? I'd still put the Suns and Lakers over the Mavs." - Critical Fanatic

I'm not too sure of that. Pheonix's pick up of Shaq hurt them when it comes to head to head vs. Dallas. Hack a Shaq is what the Mavs have always done to him. Now that he's on the Suns, it will not change. Shaq will hurt their numbers against us. Amare was better against the Mavericks than Shaq ever was and ever will be.

The Lakers do scare me a little bit now though. We'll just have to wait until we see them with Gasol.

2/13/08
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(Edited by Eric)
Are you kidding me? Obviously you don't watch many Maverick games. Stackhouse is old, but he's able to shoot from anywhere and play defense well. He averages 10 PPG and only plays 24 MPG. He shoots 88% from the line, and averages 2.5 assists. He's great 6th man quality. I wouldn't want him starting, but I do like his presence. Not to mention that as a guard he has 2.4 RPG.

2/13/08
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(Edited by Eric)
The starting rotation for the Mavs will be a lot better with Kidd.

C - Erik Dampier
F - Dirk
F - Josh Howard
G - Jason Terry
G - Jason Kidd

Back-ups aren't bad either.

Bass, Stackhouse (in 30 days), Barea, Eddie Jones, Juwan Howard.

2/13/08
0
(Edited by Eric)
Well, so far the trade is a no-go. George used his "no trade clause" and veto'd the trade.

ESPN.com - George veto's trade

2/13/08
0
Eric wrote:
Well, so far the trade is a no-go. George used his "no trade clause" and veto'd the trade.

ESPN.com - George veto's trade
Wow... that is hilarious.  Didn't he want out just a few days ago?  I understand he may not want to go to New Jersey, but it is ridiculously selfish to be a throw in and actually use a no trade clause.

2/13/08
0
(Edited by Eric)
20 points per 48 minutes is more than most bench warmers.

Here's bench warmers on your team that aren't old and averaging less than 20 per 48 minutes:

Kelenna Azubuike
Matt Barnes
Marco Belinelli
Andris Biedrins
Austin Croshere
Patrick O'Bryant
Kosta Perovic
Mickael Pietrus
C.J. Watson
Chris Webber - Now that's washed up!
Brandan Wright

That's 11 people on a 15 man roster on a team that averages a million and a half points a game.

2/13/08
0
kantwistaye wrote:
Wow... that is hilarious.  Didn't he want out just a few days ago?  I understand he may not want to go to New Jersey, but it is ridiculously selfish to be a throw in and actually use a no trade clause.
Yeah, he was lobbying for a trade a few days ago. I'm not quite sure what he's thinking. Did he really think any other team would want him?

2/13/08
0

Maybe bias, but even if this goes through, Dallas = 0. No matter how good they get, they just can't get it done when it matters. Unfortunately, Golden State will be in the playoffs. Good chance they could meet first round again.

 

Even if this trade goes through, here are my seeds in the West:

 

1. Phoenix

2. San Antonio

3. Dallas

4. Utah Jazz - Division Winner

5. L.A. Lakers (4th overall record, tie with Dallas)

6. New Orleans

7. Golden State

8. Houston Rockets - They will sneak in.


2/13/08
0

On schedule, Spurs are kicking it up a notch. Ginobili put up 46 tonight. Suns will do good just because of the supporting staff. Shaq will slow them down, but they have shooters. It spreads the floor, and that is why Phoenix can STILL win. Shaq will absorb defense, and that opens the perimeter where Barbosa, Bell, and Nash can bomb long 2s and 3s. One big hit to the Suns is their free throws. Expect that % to take a dive. Mavericks need something, but this trade won't kick in right off the bat. New Orleans is starting to bump losses on the board so i had to (hard to do) put them at #6. Lakers are good, very good. I could easily put them over Dallas but it is too damn close. Freaking West is too dang close this year. ARGHHH!!!


2/13/08
0
Chris wrote:

Maybe bias, but even if this goes through, Dallas = 0. No matter how good they get, they just can't get it done when it matters. Unfortunately, Golden State will be in the playoffs. Good chance they could meet first round again.

 

Even if this trade goes through, here are my seeds in the West:

 

1. Phoenix

2. San Antonio

3. Dallas

4. Utah Jazz - Division Winner

5. L.A. Lakers (4th overall record, tie with Dallas)

6. New Orleans

7. Golden State

8. Houston Rockets - They will sneak in.

1) Does this mean you think the Shaq trade was good? 

2) San Antonio must make a move if they're going to be the 2 seed, the West is just too good right now.

3) How ridiculous is the West that T-Mac and Yao have to sneak into the playoffs?  The playoffs are gonna be mighty fun this year.


2/13/08
0
(Edited by Eric)
Chris wrote:

Maybe bias, but even if this goes through, Dallas = 0. No matter how good they get, they just can't get it done when it matters. Unfortunately, Golden State will be in the playoffs. Good chance they could meet first round again.

 

Even if this trade goes through, here are my seeds in the West:

 

1. Phoenix

2. San Antonio

3. Dallas

4. Utah Jazz - Division Winner

5. L.A. Lakers (4th overall record, tie with Dallas)

6. New Orleans

7. Golden State

8. Houston Rockets - They will sneak in.

The only reason the Spurs get it done is because of Tim Duncan and his uncanny abilities to get free throws crying to the ref every shot.

The Mavs getting it done in the playoffs was not part of this discussion. It was about who was benefiting from the trade. If we want to change the topic we can.

If the Mavs/Nets can rework this deal it may have to involve Barea or Bass now. I'm not sure that the Mavs will give Bass or barea up. We'll see.

2/13/08
0
Whoops... I'm an idiot. I will admit that. I meant to check Denver's roster... but I clicked on Golden State... I was wondering why the rosters looked different that it was supposed too... It's been too long of a day. My apologies.

2/13/08
0
When he gets 30 FTs per game, he only has to make 40% of them to make a difference.

2/13/08
0
ooh i forgot about Denver. They are 7th right now, and Houston is gelling. They are stringing a lot of wins. If they move in and G.S. stays in... that means Denver is out. Houston wins, Denver loses, Nuggets are out and Rockets are in. It's that easy. I think the strongest West teams will string more wins that New Orleans to close the year, and since its so damn close, they can easily drop 4 seeds. So i'm not a fool. Oops... "tool".

2/13/08
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Eric wrote:
The only reason the Spurs get it done is because of Tim Duncan and his uncanny abilities to get free throws crying to the ref every shot.

The Mavs getting it done in the playoffs was not part of this discussion. It was about who was benefiting from the trade. If we want to change the topic we can.

If the Mavs/Nets can rework this deal it may have to involve Barea or Bass now. I'm not sure that the Mavs will give Bass or barea up. We'll see.

um... blurting out on how the Spurs get it done wasn't a part of the discussion either. Duncan doesn't take 30 attempts anyway. Don't hate.

 

Also, i said EVEN IF THE TRADE GOES THROUGH, it won't do anything for the Mavs because they choke every damn year. So, i'm saying it won't matter. Nets suck this year, and nothing will save the Mavericks.


2/13/08
0
Yeah, and the reason Stackhouse isn't on that list is because he didn't qualify. He's 147th out of over 400 people. That still puts him in the top 30% in the league

2/13/08
0
(Edited by Eric)
Not during the playoffs. Well, even at that, it's only 8 FTA per game... but still. Well, I'll admit defeat in that argument. NEXT!

2/13/08
0
and hits 70%. Not bad for Tim.

2/13/08
0
uh... but one big slip and Denver, Houston, or Golden State can fall out... look at the standings. It's close. I'm saying it's either Denver or Houston to get the 8th seed, and Houston is playing good ball. Yao and T-Mac haven't done anything in the postseason, but Yao is playing the way a huge mountain should, and they have won 7 straight, going for 8 and looking good tonight.

2/13/08
0
kantwistaye wrote:

1) Does this mean you think the Shaq trade was good? 

2) San Antonio must make a move if they're going to be the 2 seed, the West is just too good right now.

3) How ridiculous is the West that T-Mac and Yao have to sneak into the playoffs?  The playoffs are gonna be mighty fun this year.

1. No, i think it will still hurt the Suns, but as i said- he will absorb defenders down low, and open up the perimeter for the Suns, where they excel.

 

2. Nah, they don't need to. They are tied for 3rd record wise in the West. So they are close. Also, most of the games remaining are at home since they just went 6-3 on the Rodeo road trip. Also, Tony Parker returns next week.

 

3. It is insane. 5 games split the top 9 teams. Freaking mad. It will be hard for the last seed. One slip and you could be out!


2/13/08
0

Done? Did the Spurs not lock down the Suns to win 84-81 on the road recently? Beat Dallas without Duncan in game 19? Spurs aren't done. You want to hop on that wagon, you might cause a repeat. Same thing happened last year and "Hey! What's on my wall here? DYNASTY." and a 2007 Championship hat. Niiiice.


2/13/08
1
Chris wrote:

1. No, i think it will still hurt the Suns, but as i said- he will absorb defenders down low, and open up the perimeter for the Suns, where they excel.

 

2. Nah, they don't need to. They are tied for 3rd record wise in the West. So they are close. Also, most of the games remaining are at home since they just went 6-3 on the Rodeo road trip. Also, Tony Parker returns next week.

 

3. It is insane. 5 games split the top 9 teams. Freaking mad. It will be hard for the last seed. One slip and you could be out!

To me the Suns/Shaq trade is horrible for their half-court offense.  Unless he goes back a couple years, he isn't going to bring in too many defenders to defend him.  Secondly, it takes away Nash's drive because he'll run right into Shaq's defender who is clogging up the land.  Finally, it takes away the Nash n' Amare pick n' roll.  Shaq completely kills the Suns half court offense, which had no issues to start with.  The only move the Suns needed to make was another big guy who could run and defend Duncan and Bynum.  Shaq was the opposite of that.

2/13/08
0
How good would the other O'neal on the trading block have been in Phoenix?

2/13/08
0
kantwistaye wrote:
To me the Suns/Shaq trade is horrible for their half-court offense.  Unless he goes back a couple years, he isn't going to bring in too many defenders to defend him.  Secondly, it takes away Nash's drive because he'll run right into Shaq's defender who is clogging up the land.  Finally, it takes away the Nash n' Amare pick n' roll.  Shaq completely kills the Suns half court offense, which had no issues to start with.  The only move the Suns needed to make was another big guy who could run and defend Duncan and Bynum.  Shaq was the opposite of that.

thats true. We'll see how D'Antoni fixes that mess. Hahaha. It won't put the Suns in the Finals. Suns < Spurs/Mavs (still) - They just can't get over that big hump.


2/13/08
0
How the hell does a self-professed smart guy like Mark Cuban allow Devin George have a freakin' "no trade" clause in his contract to veto this deal?  Not that I blame George.  No one really wants to go to Jersey... looks like Cuban will be opening his wallet more for George a little more than he planned to make this go down...

2/13/08
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Chachi_Azzhola wrote:
How the hell does a self-professed smart guy like Mark Cuban allow Devin George have a freakin' "no trade" clause in his contract to veto this deal?  Not that I blame George.  No one really wants to go to Jersey... looks like Cuban will be opening his wallet more for George a little more than he planned to make this go down...
they have a curse. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Cuban curse. Nothing will save the Mavericks.

2/13/08
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Janse wrote:
How good would the other O'neal on the trading block have been in Phoenix?
Definitely a much better fit than Shaq.

2/13/08
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kantwistaye wrote:
Definitely a much better fit than Shaq.
it will be easier for them. The offense would at least be more flexible.

2/13/08
0

Are you freaking serious? You're calling San Antonio a toilet border town? Hmm...

 

*1,500,000 people. Near 2,000,000 metropolitan. Wow. Toilet border.

*Still 3 1/2 hours from Mexican border. Toilet border.

*Sea World, Six Flags, Several PGA Practice courses with a PGA course being built here soon, Disney Parks to build in San Antonio, city leads in tourism for U.S. -- toilet. Crap.

 

Just because we only have 2 professional teams doesn't mean anything. San Antonio will be next for an NFL team and maybe in the future an MLB team. We used to have an NHL team but they are gone.

 

As for dynasty, yes. Everything comes to an end-- but it can come back. Look at the Lakers. Celtics. Bulls (two years between 3-peats). Spurs can keep it going.


2/13/08
0
so what. That doesn't make San Antonio a shit city. I'm proud to live here even though we only have 1* professional team as of now. At least San Antonio's ONLY* professional team has won 4 championships, 1st place for Finals win %, 15 divisional titles in 35 years, and 2nd highest win % in NBA history.

2/13/08
0
Positively Hilarious that it happened to Cuban.  Still laughing since I heard it at the beginning of the Warriors-Suns game

2/13/08
1
Maybe it is the remaining effect of San Antonio kicking the Nuggets' ass twice after Denver won the first game. Denver: W-L-L-L-L, W-L-L-L-L = 2 Spurs titles. I'll add two more for Denver: LOL!

2/13/08
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Chachi_Azzhola wrote:
Positively Hilarious that it happened to Cuban.  Still laughing since I heard it at the beginning of the Warriors-Suns game
it has to be the Curse of Cuban. Choking so many times in the playoffs, and then this happening... there has to be a goat or something living in their arena.

2/13/08
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(Edited by Jess)

ok, fine. 1* professional team. You win.

 

Stern had nothing to do with Duncan going to San Antonio. Blame the lottery system. It's luck anyway, so blame luck. You're a freaking jerk. And i'm being generous there. Why do i say that? Because of that last sentence in the first paragraph. I don't "deserve" the Spurs, i chose to become a fan. Happy fan for 12 seasons now and will go on until i die. San Antonio got the Spurs because of Red McCombs, so blame him for us having a professional team in the first place. Robinson couldn't get it done because you had teams like the 89-90 Pistons, 91-92-93-96-97-98 Chicago Bulls w/ Jordan. They almost topped the Rockets during their 94-95 run. So you can't nail Robinson for that. That's messed up. Especially since he is an NBA legend. He didn't have a complete "championship" staff. He came close in 95, but not close enough. He got it in 1998.


 

*edited for language*


2/13/08
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Maybe because i didn't quite have the thousands to bet at the tables, so that was my decision. I played on some tables that i know i had a good shot to win, and i actually faired well in Vegas. It takes luck and smarts to actually pull even. Maybe the higher elevation is killing your brain cells. Hah. I was in Denver on my way back from Vegas. Maybe i did become a "Special kind of Retard". Damn. Should've got a layover in Dallas instead of Denver.

2/13/08
0
well, "defensive focused flopping douche bag ugly gay orgy that is the San Antonio Spurs" have the 4th most championships of 30 NBA teams. Orgy on, San Antonio!

2/13/08
2
Enough with the name calling and back to the topic of the Jason Kidd trade or no trade to the Mavericks. Keep it up, and the thread gets shut down.

2/13/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
Enough with the name calling and back to the topic of the Jason Kidd trade or no trade to the Mavericks. Keep it up, and the thread gets shut down.

Yes, i apologize.

 

As a follow-up, as a Spurs fan- i'd like the trade to go through because i think it hurts Dallas slightly more than helps. I thought about it, and yes- Kidd is one hell of a point guard, but he has his inconsistancy and also he has the stats because he is on a Nets squad that has been below par for several years now. It will help the guard area for Dallas, but by dropping size (centers/forwards), clutch shooting from Stackhouse, i thought about it, and i think Dallas goes no where even with Kidd. They gain, they lose a lot, and what about the West's moves? Everyone is stacking up the paint to take out Duncan. Smart move. Dallas is taking weight out from below the rim... that could pull them out of the race... by means of taking down the defending champs and hopes for (still) a first title.


2/13/08
2
Dammit, and I was enjoying watching the duel between Chris and RenegadeLG too.  Oh well it was good while it lasted.  If you guys are gonna get back on the subject, I'm going to bed.  Thanks for the chuckles, guys!

2/13/08
0
No because the trade is not officially dead. Just because it hasn't gone through yet doesn't mean it is a lie.

2/14/08
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Chachi_Azzhola wrote:
Dammit, and I was enjoying watching the duel between Chris and RenegadeLG too.  Oh well it was good while it lasted.  If you guys are gonna get back on the subject, I'm going to bed.  Thanks for the chuckles, guys!
yeah, i wasn't serious i was laughing as i wrote up some good comments. Like the closure. #73. That was funny. That and the W-L-L-L-L W-L-L-L-L ... LOL!

2/14/08
0
It's funny, after the baseball hearing today, I expected to have some sort of emotional reaction to that. Nothing really came to me.

When I heard Kidd was going to the Mavs, I got more upset than I have over any trade I can remember in awhile. The Nets are a bad team, so I can't really blame him for wanting out. Carter has no drive to win whatsoever. Kidd is the main reason I was still able to even watch this team play.

Devean George vetoing the trade has definitely put a kink in things, but the writing's on the wall. Kidd will be leaving the Nets very soon :(

2/14/08
0
most of the "battles" as people call them on here, to me are just laughable rants. Some memorable long 200+ comment thread battles however, i might use different terms, hahaha. I won't forget that mad thread with ML31 ad those rants. Holy crap that fight went on for a week. Seriously. LOL

2/14/08
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Chris wrote:
most of the "battles" as people call them on here, to me are just laughable rants. Some memorable long 200+ comment thread battles however, i might use different terms, hahaha. I won't forget that mad thread with ML31 ad those rants. Holy crap that fight went on for a week. Seriously. LOL
Every "argument" with ML31 went on for weeks. The most memorable one was one ... well, I don't want to get it started again. But you should know which one I'm talking about... lol

2/14/08
2
Chachi_Azzhola wrote:
How the hell does a self-professed smart guy like Mark Cuban allow Devin George have a freakin' "no trade" clause in his contract to veto this deal?  Not that I blame George.  No one really wants to go to Jersey... looks like Cuban will be opening his wallet more for George a little more than he planned to make this go down...
He actually doesn't have a no trade clause. Kobe is the only player in the league with a specific no-trade clause in his contract, league rules dictate that players on a one-year contract -- but who are also eligible for Early Bird free-agent rights at the end of the contract -- cannot be traded without their consent. George, who earns $2.4 million this season, is one of 18 such players in the league at present, afforded the right to either approve or veto trades because those Bird rights are lost if they do get traded. The Bird rights basically give the teams the ability to sign George to a contract that would take them over the salary cap, and if he is traded he loses those rights, and therefore lose that more than likely huge pay day this summer.

2/14/08
1
You'd really make them give you a dozen basketballs for Isiah?

2/14/08
0
(Edited by Chachi_Azzhola)
Jubanator14 wrote:
He actually doesn't have a no trade clause. Kobe is the only player in the league with a specific no-trade clause in his contract, league rules dictate that players on a one-year contract -- but who are also eligible for Early Bird free-agent rights at the end of the contract -- cannot be traded without their consent. George, who earns $2.4 million this season, is one of 18 such players in the league at present, afforded the right to either approve or veto trades because those Bird rights are lost if they do get traded. The Bird rights basically give the teams the ability to sign George to a contract that would take them over the salary cap, and if he is traded he loses those rights, and therefore lose that more than likely huge pay day this summer.
Thanks.  All the so-called experts last night when the story broke did not explain it that well.  I'm guessing some one must have explained it to George, but he didn't look like it chunking those bricks at the basket on his way to a 0-11 night.  He needed to read your post so he would've known everything was gonna be all right for him.

2/14/08
0

How does the checklist look?  Let's see....

 

New Jersey - trade Kidd

Washington - trade Butler and Arenas

Toronto - trade Bosh

Cleveland - trade Lebron  ok, that's not even worthy of a humorous post.

Orlando - trade Howard

Detroit - trade Hamilton and Billups to Atlanta

Boston - trade entire team to Minnesota

 

One trade down, and five more to go, and the Hawks can back their way into the playoffs.  Woo hoo!!!!

 


2/14/08
1
tpowell25 wrote:

How does the checklist look?  Let's see....

 

New Jersey - trade Kidd

Washington - trade Butler and Arenas

Toronto - trade Bosh

Cleveland - trade Lebron  ok, that's not even worthy of a humorous post.

Orlando - trade Howard

Detroit - trade Hamilton and Billups to Atlanta

Boston - trade entire team to Minnesota

 

One trade down, and five more to go, and the Hawks can back their way into the playoffs.  Woo hoo!!!!

 

Yeah, I think the Kidd deal with the Mavs is not going to happen. They can't send any more money over there, and the only reason NJ is giving up Allen is because they'd have too many people on their roster. So, we can't just add 2 more players to the deal to replace George AKA "Gosh, Employment Oportunities for Reserve Guys isn't Everywhere."

2/14/08
0
You do like Thomas or don't you?  I'm getting mixed signals.

2/14/08
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Enough with the name calling and back to the topic of the Jason Kidd trade or no trade to the Mavericks. Keep it up, and the thread gets shut down.
Can't we all just get along???

2/14/08
0
It's more fun when we don't.

2/14/08
0
Chachi_Azzhola wrote:
It's more fun when we don't.
hahahaha i agree..... So whos a Democrat here i wanna argue haahahaha

2/14/08
2
PresEmart wrote:
hahahaha i agree..... So whos a Democrat here i wanna argue haahahaha
Yeah, I love crashing the Dem politcal blogs (also as Chachi_Azzhola) and picking fights there!  It's a blast!!!  Of course, I also crash the Republican sites and do the same just to keep the hate up between the parties.  Damn, I have got to find a REAL hobby...

2/14/08
0
What I meant was... Isn't 12 a little too much to ask for? Hell, I'd take 1 good to mint condition basketball that has no more than 1-years wear and tear.

2/15/08
0
Jon wrote:
I am pretty sure we could find the 12 best basketball players on FanIQ and at least capture the 8th seed in the East.
Ill Be Small Forward!!!!

 
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