Jay Cutler Traded From The Broncos To The Bears For Kyle Orton And Draft Picks

In A No-Win Situation, The Broncos Did As Well As They Possibly Could.

4/2/09 in NFL   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

As you all probably already know, Jay Cutler has been traded to the Chicago Bears along with a 5th round pick for Kyle Orton, 2 first round picks and a 3rd rounder.

3 draft picks and a somewhat serviceable quarterback is about as much as the Broncos could possibly have gotten in return for Cutler. Everyone knew that he already had one foot out the door, and he had no interest in playing for coach Josh McDaniels, regardless of his recent comments saying he never wanted to be traded.

So in a sense, the Broncos did well. That being said, they have now lost the most important single component of their formerly potent offense, which was the only bright spot on the team.

Their defense is awful, and now their offense is without a legitimate quarterback, and they also really don't have a quality running back. Their 2 excellent receivers, Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal, will not live up to their potential with the weak-armed Kyle Orton, as they could have with Cutler.

While the extra draft picks will certainly help the Broncos, they will need to strike gold on at least one of them for them to have a viable replacement for Cutler, and those draft picks will be needed to take care of the Broncos defense, one of the worst in the league last year.

The Broncos are still a long way from being true Super Bowl contenders, and trading away their franchise QB for a couple draft picks and a mediocre Kyle Orton wasn't exactly the smartest move.

The Bears also hurt themselves with this trade. While they certainly have a guy who can be their QB for the next decade or so, barring injury, they have very little else on the offensive side of the ball. Their defense isn't dominant enough to bring them to the Super Bowl as it did back in Super Bowl XLI, so they will need some help from their offense.

Unfortunately for the Bears, that offense won't be able to help too much for at least a few years. Their offensive line is still bad, and they still don't have the receivers that it would take for us to see the Cutler that we saw make the Pro Bowl this year. Matt Forte is very good, but he'll only get so far behind that offensive line.

The Bears clearly gave up far more than they should have in this one. Many people speculated that once the Broncos demanded 2 first round picks, it was a sign that they weren't really interested in trading Cutler, and were just trying to scare off other teams by high-balling them with such insane demands.

The only thing crazier than the Broncos asking for 2 first rounders is the fact that the Bears actually gave it to them... and more. It's not often that a trade hurts both teams involved, but unless one of them pulls off a miracle in some of the upcoming drafts, that's how this one is shaping up.
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4/3/09   |   MarinersBraves

 i wasn't trying to "go out on a limb". i was just stating what I think is the truth. I don't ever remember saying that Cutler has hit the pinnacle of his career. I just said that he hasn't proven to me at least that he is a great QB. Name one accomplishment that has made him rise above all other QB's.  it may be true that Jay Cutler is a better QB then Orton. A lot of people who agree to that. And i never meant to say Orton was better then Cutler. My whole argument is that Denver got the better trade. Seeing as I am not a fan of either team I am just stating my oppinion. Both teams will still suck. It will not drastically Change either team. Neither team will make the playoffs next year. But Denver will do better without Cutler. 

4/3/09   |   IlliniBob72   |   83 respect

You're not exactly going out on a limb there, considering that 23 different teams have made the playoffs in just the last three seasons.

And after two full NFL seasons, you've determined that Cutler has already hit the pinnacle of his career? Even if he doesn't get better, I'm sure the Bears will somehow live with a Pro Bowl season every year.

4/3/09   |   MarinersBraves

 Mark my words Denver will get to the playoffs in the next couple years, or at least do better without cutler. Orton truely may not be a great QB when compared to names like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, he is a satisfactory QB. Jay Cutler despite all the hype was not a good match for denver. He didn't even want to be there. Coming back to the subject of Orton, look at matt cassel. last year was his first season as starter. When he lost the first game no one gave him a chance. Hes the same age as Orton and look what hes made of himself. Just give Orton a chance. Jay Cutler has never done anything to make me believe he can be better then he already is. When has he ever proven himself??

4/3/09   |   Rrbhaunoch   |   9 respect

Orton is a perfect quarterback for a rebuilding team...which is what the Broncos are right now (and would have been even with Cutler).  A good quarterback with good leadership skills , 2 draft picks and upgrading a 5th round pick to a third will surely help them. IF they can draft well.  We'll see how McCoach does with his dual roles and drafting in a few years.

The Bears on the other hand have an aging defense, but rebuilding that side of the ball is at least 3-4 years away.  Locking in Cutler now gives us a chance to win big now, and then to have the offense be something to hang the Bears hats on when Urlacher, Ogunleye and others get ready to retire.  Jerry Angelo is aweful at drafting in the first round anyway, and pretty much altogether bad at drafting for the offensive side of the ball, so I'm happy with that.  Assuming the Bears make the playoffs this year (which I think will happen), the Broncos get say they 24th+ pick next year, the 18th pick this year and Orton and the upgrade from 5th to 3rd rounder in this years draft.  It's a big price, but with JA drafting, none of those players would probably even be a starter in three years, and Cutler has proven that he can excel at the NFL level. 

I'm satisfied as a Bears fan, and as objectively as I can view it, think that both teams made out very well.

4/3/09   |   primo   |   1 respect

give Orton some credit...dude is a good QB on a bad offensive team in chicago. cutler will not make chicago a better team, but orton will lead the broncos to the playoffs, something which cutler failed to do in denver

4/3/09   |   IlliniBob72   |   83 respect

WhoDat12 wrote:
Cutler has no receivers, Orton has no arm. I can see how that worked out for everyone.

The reciever problem can be remedied. The arm problem...not so much.

4/3/09   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

Cutler has no receivers, Orton has no arm. I can see how that worked out for everyone.

4/3/09   |   IlliniBob72   |   83 respect

donm454 wrote:
How is a "proven" franchise quarterback a guy who has never made the playoffs, never had a winning season, and not a leader at all?

Jay Cutler has proven nothing, and the Bear completely overpayed for him.  Broncos got the MUCH better deal.

I find it funny that people are spouting "He's never made the playoffs!" He's only been the starter for two seasons!!! He is 0-for-2, not 0-for-10, people! The Broncos and Cutler were 13-1 in games in which the defense held the opponent to 21 points or under. That is telling.

Rex Grossman had a winning record. Hell, he got his team to the Super Bowl! Would you rather have Sexy Rexy?

4/3/09   |   donm454   |   20 respect

dumpsterdave6 wrote:
How is it good for the Broncos short term? They have Orton instead of Cutler and draft picks which are always a crapshoot. They traded away a proven franchise quarterback.

How is a "proven" franchise quarterback a guy who has never made the playoffs, never had a winning season, and not a leader at all?

Jay Cutler has proven nothing, and the Bear completely overpayed for him.  Broncos got the MUCH better deal.

4/3/09   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

MarinersBraves wrote:
oh well see i don't call losing 3 straight games at the end of the season to lose your division title a "very good QB" as you put it. true he will most likely get better, but how much better is hard to tell. In the long term this might have been a good trade for Chicago but in the short term it was a great trade for denver (in my opinion). also he has never led his team to the playoffs. 

Cutler is certainly one of the better QBs in the league, and while Orton is an improvement from Rex Grossman, he's far from being "above average."

4/3/09   |   Michael_Luchies   |   17 respect

Even with all of the franchise quarterback talk, I am very impressed with Denver getting this much out of the trade.  I think out of the three picks and Orton they will receive greater benefits then out of Cutler.  Cutler is a good QB, but too moody.  If Orton can start, they now have two new picks (1st and 3rd round) to improve their defense and then a 2010 1st rounder to address their biggest need next year.  I honestly like their move, and don't blame the Bears for making the move either.

4/3/09   |   dumpsterdave6   |   1 respect

Heyhey1970 wrote:
I don't know if this deal will look great this year, but I'm confident that it's a nice long-term deal.  I feel like the franchise re-committed to winning today.  That's all I can ask as a fan.

And on the Aaron Rodgers issue... it's not PC for a Bears fan to say this, but I love the way that guy plays.  He was better than his team this year.  His future is bright.

The Chicago/Green Bay rivalry is back on! Now we have two young quarterbacks going at it year after year!

4/3/09   |   dumpsterdave6   |   1 respect

MarinersBraves wrote:
oh well see i don't call losing 3 straight games at the end of the season to lose your division title a "very good QB" as you put it. true he will most likely get better, but how much better is hard to tell. In the long term this might have been a good trade for Chicago but in the short term it was a great trade for denver (in my opinion). also he has never led his team to the playoffs. 

How is it good for the Broncos short term? They have Orton instead of Cutler and draft picks which are always a crapshoot. They traded away a proven franchise quarterback.

4/3/09   |   MarinersBraves

IlliniBob72 wrote:
I sure hope you aren't an NFL scout. In the same post you stated that Orton is above average and that Cutler is not that good. Seeing as Cutler is younger and indeed better than Orton, I've got to think that Cutler is at least "very good".

oh well see i don't call losing 3 straight games at the end of the season to lose your division title a "very good QB" as you put it. true he will most likely get better, but how much better is hard to tell. In the long term this might have been a good trade for Chicago but in the short term it was a great trade for denver (in my opinion). also he has never led his team to the playoffs. 

4/3/09   |   Michael_Luchies   |   17 respect

wrote:
I DON'T THINK i WOULD HAVE TAKEN A QB FROM THE BEARS !

lol, but why stop at 3 draft picks...might as well take their starting QB too right?

4/3/09   |   IlliniBob72   |   83 respect

MarinersBraves wrote:
 No win situation?? that is total BS. Broncos got 2 first round draft picks, an above average QB an a 3rd round pick. Granted Orton is not the most satisfactory QB but with 2 1st round picks they could draft one. Am i the only one who sees that Denver got a good deal for a QB that didn't even want to play there anymore. come on Jay Cutler is not even that good!!!!

I sure hope you aren't an NFL scout. In the same post you stated that Orton is above average and that Cutler is not that good. Seeing as Cutler is younger and indeed better than Orton, I've got to think that Cutler is at least "very good".

4/3/09   |   Heyhey1970   |   194 respect

I don't know if this deal will look great this year, but I'm confident that it's a nice long-term deal.  I feel like the franchise re-committed to winning today.  That's all I can ask as a fan.

And on the Aaron Rodgers issue... it's not PC for a Bears fan to say this, but I love the way that guy plays.  He was better than his team this year.  His future is bright.

4/2/09   |   Michael_G   |   37921 respect

(Edited by Michael_G)

I'm not sure if everyone is clear on the fact that the 1st rd picks are for 2009 and 2010, not both in the upcoming draft

4/2/09   |   MarinersBraves

 No win situation?? that is total BS. Broncos got 2 first round draft picks, an above average QB an a 3rd round pick. Granted Orton is not the most satisfactory QB but with 2 1st round picks they could draft one. Am i the only one who sees that Denver got a good deal for a QB that didn't even want to play there anymore. come on Jay Cutler is not even that good!!!!

4/2/09   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

UgodawgsW wrote:
Well, the Broncos are screwed, but if the Bears can get some help with their 2nd round pick this year and next year, they could be a very good football team. Also, imo, I don't think that Aaron Rodgers is a franchise QB to me. He hasn't shown me much, same with Flacco, but I believe in him more than Rodgers...

You've gotta be kidding me. You think believe in Flacco more than Rodgers? Flacco if he wasn't playing with that vaunted Ravens defense would have been nothing last year.

QB ratings from last year

Rodgers: 93.8 for 6th best in the league
Flacco: 80.3 for 22nd best in the league

Rodgers also threw twice as many TDs (28 to 14) and threw only one more pick than Flacco despite throwing the ball 100+ times more.

This isn't even debatable. Rogders is better than Flacco right now, period.

4/2/09   |   choolaidavid   |   7 respect

Its because of self Confident

4/2/09   |   UgodawgsW

Well, the Broncos are screwed, but if the Bears can get some help with their 2nd round pick this year and next year, they could be a very good football team. Also, imo, I don't think that Aaron Rodgers is a franchise QB to me. He hasn't shown me much, same with Flacco, but I believe in him more than Rodgers...

4/2/09   |   kantwistaye   |   4214 respect

The Bears have their QB of the next 10+ years and gave up 2 first round picks.  That's more than worth it (assuming Cutler continues to progress the way he should).  There are not many young franchise QBs in the league (Ryan, Flacco, Cutler, Rodgers, Rivers) and the Bears have one of them.

The thing I don't get it is with the Broncos.  Yes, they did as well as they could but as you said it was a no win situation.  They still didn't win.  They have nothing to build around and have to hope these 2 first rounders turn out to be very good players or they are screwed for the foreseeable future.