Joe Paterno dies in State College at 85 years old

Joe Paterno, dead at 85

1/22/12 in NCAAF   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

After several months of battling lung cancer, Joe Paterno is dead, according to a statement released by his family.

Paterno died in State College, PA, where he built a legacy as one of college football's greatest coaches of all time.

Paterno set an NCAA record with 409 total wins as a head coach. His teams won 2 National Championships and 3 Big Ten championships. He won 24 bowl games, also a record.

Paterno was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2007.

The only stain on his otherwise stellar legacy is the child molestation scandal that broke late last year.

The family has continued to request privacy, and thanked fans for their support.
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1/24/12   |   nikihockeyrocks   |   112 respect

ugh. So sad. Just SO sad...

1/24/12   |   ParkAvenueMillionair   |   1 respect

Joe had a choice to make.  He chose a path he could not live with.  He'd been dieing inside for quite some time.  I wrote about the problem in my blog recently.  StiffLeftJab.com

1/24/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

wrote:
Umm...ignore my remark about "accident" It was tooo early in the morning and I misread your statement   Those ways you listed would be pretty bad and no, you didn't say "hooray for cancer"...you may not have meant it the way I took it.  Like I said, I've lost family to cancer so it's something I feel very strongly about. And we really don't know each other so it's easy to mistake what the other one means in a post :)  There's things out there people are dying from that some people never even heard of.  I have a 36 yr old niece dying from "Arachnoiditis"  Never heard of this until she was diagnosed a little over 2 yrs ago (& she was given a max of 2 yrs) but it's another horrible thing to watch. It will eventually literally smother her to death. But this isn't the place to post about that so I'll quit here :)   

that sounds like a horrible way to go as well...also sounds like spiders are involved

1/23/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

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For as long as that horrible disease has been around and as much money as they've used for research, much less the humans used to do the research on (or human guinea pigs) you'd think there would be a cure and I've said for years there is a cure...it's all about the almighty dollar, but that's just my thinking.

 "Ain't no money in the cure"

1/23/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

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Cancer of any kind is an awful way to go no matter what a person does.  And you're saying a drug addict OD's and it's an accident?  There are warnings for drugs also INCLUDING overdose.  Watch someone struggle to breathe, walk, eat, talk...their body wasting away before your eyes, them praying to die...a disease so horrible, it literally sucks the life out of a person...then ask why it's an awful way to go. Simply because a person smokes or drinks does not necessarily mean they'll die from cancer anymore than a person who doesn't smoke won't die from lung cancer.   

 Unless an addict says, man I hope this heroin needle I stick in my arm today kills me, yeah its an accident.  and i said 6x that any cancer is a horrible way to go, but I would imagine being eaten by wolves or drowning or even AIDS are pretty crappy ways to go as well.  I never once said Hooray for Cancer.  

1/23/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

kobe_lova wrote:
Um no, he should've done something else. F*** it being his job to only report it (trying to keep his job is possibly why he did nothing else. I'm hoping it's not because he just didn't care), as a person, he should've done more to stop it. It does supersede everything else. He may not have been at the top, but he was in a position to do more. The pedo also did a lot of charitable things. Is he excused? If someone was molesting my child, and you told someone who did nothing, and left it at that which led to it continuously happening to my child and others, I'd probably shoot you. There is no way in hell, as an adult, that I would not have made sure that it stopped, at least at my "job". This justification of it is pissing me off. The day his greatness as a coach becomes more important than his neglect of those kids is a very sh***y day. This is partly why I hate people. F***, this has bugged me on a nice Sunday...I'm done.

While I think that Sandusky should be executed the second he's found guilty, to hang what he did on Paterno is pretty ignorant.  I know a lot of people say that they'd do more if they were in his position, but I seriously doubt that's the case.  Maybe you would, but I honestly feel like you would be the minority.  Having said that, Paterno could and should have done more, but to put all the blame entirely on him because he's JoePa is every bit as irresponsible as Paterno doing only what was 'legally' required of him.  It's kind of like blaming the 9/11 attacks on the US because it's a better place to live than Afganistan.

1/23/12   |   originalcrash78   |   7104 respect

R.I.P. Joe 
(that's all I have to say about that)

1/23/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

kteacher wrote:
Cancer....no matter what caused it, sucks and is a horrible way to go for the one who has it and especially for those who have to watch it all unfold. 

Your comment pisses me off, so I'll just end right now. 

 BTW, said cancer is a crappy way to go...and I would also bet a shi*ton of money there is a cure, but i guess thats just me

1/23/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

kteacher wrote:
Cancer....no matter what caused it, sucks and is a horrible way to go for the one who has it and especially for those who have to watch it all unfold. 

Your comment pisses me off, so I'll just end right now. 

 I didn't say cancer was cool teach, I just said if the warnings are there don't be surprised.  If a person is a habitual drunk driver, don't be surprised if they die in a car accident...I hope u get my drift

1/23/12   |   Yetta   |   474 respect

ML31 wrote:
Sadly for him he is going to be linked forever to the atrocities that went down while he was coach.

And the superiors that he reported the crime to left him out to hang and nothing is mention of those great people.  May they hang their heads in shame forever.  I guest that is why God is in charge and we are not.  Only time will show how he is remembered.  I choose to see his goodness.Thank God he didn't commit the act. 

1/23/12   |   kteacher   |   34390 respect

derms33 wrote:
 You are pretty smart guy, so let me ask, do you really feel like lung cancer is an awful way to go for someone who smokes a pack a day or more?  Or liver disease or Pancreatitis for an alcoholic?  they are shi**y diseases but the warnings are for real.  When a drug addict dies from an overdose people call them stupid, thats usually an accident,  smoking and drinking yourself to death is not.  Again, Paterno allegedly never smoked so this shouldn't apply to him, but I was just wondering why its an awful way to go.   You gotta see it coming if you are an alcoholic or chain smoker.  I would say lung cancer for a non smoker, liver disease for a non drinker, breast cancer for anyone, or any other cancer is a horrible way to go.

Cancer....no matter what caused it, sucks and is a horrible way to go for the one who has it and especially for those who have to watch it all unfold. 

Your comment pisses me off, so I'll just end right now. 

1/23/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

Eric_ wrote:
First off, regardless of what one has or hasn't done, lung cancer is an awful way to go. From personal experience I know that it wastes a person away, and the end is far from pretty. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Obviously the Sandusky situation complicates Paterno's legacy. The question is does one colossal error in judgment completely wipe out a lifetime of good deeds. I'm not sure that's a question that can be answered now. It's a question that can only be answered with time. There is no question Paterno's legacy is forever tarnished. History will judge to what degree.

As a Penn State fan (at least I was, and think I still am), I'm certainly feeling a degree of sadness with JoePa's passing. Until two months ago though, I never would've thought my feelings on it would be this conflicted.

 You are pretty smart guy, so let me ask, do you really feel like lung cancer is an awful way to go for someone who smokes a pack a day or more?  Or liver disease or Pancreatitis for an alcoholic?  they are shi**y diseases but the warnings are for real.  When a drug addict dies from an overdose people call them stupid, thats usually an accident,  smoking and drinking yourself to death is not.  Again, Paterno allegedly never smoked so this shouldn't apply to him, but I was just wondering why its an awful way to go.   You gotta see it coming if you are an alcoholic or chain smoker.  I would say lung cancer for a non smoker, liver disease for a non drinker, breast cancer for anyone, or any other cancer is a horrible way to go.

1/23/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

 Coached 62 years and won 2 championships...by that comparison Nick Saban may be" tebowish", not impressive when your wins are basically longevity related.  BTW, 2 championships with a pedophile d-coordinator, should be taken away anyways.   Come on NCAA, taking away wins is your thing.

1/23/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

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85 may be old, but someone dying from cancer, no matter the age, is a tragedy!  It's a horrible death. I was with my 80 yr old step-father when he left this world and it hurt to watch him suffer for 3 years!  It was heartbreaking to watch him suffer, to watch him pass on but knowing he suffers no longer is a relief. Cancer is a horrible, cruel, devestating disease for the victim and the family whether the victim is young or old! 

 My mom is a cancer survivor, don't talk about tragedies and cancer like I have no clue.  He was 85 thats old and he didn't suffer too long, he was merely 85 and his body couldn't fight any longer.  You want to live to be 85? I don't.  Hell, I'll be lucky to see 55.  Cancer is the worst disease there is and Joepa got a bad deal, haven't allegedly never smoked and got lung cancer but again, what he went thru for a few months with chemo, cancer, etc, pales in comparison to the innocence lost and the upcoming ruined events in the lives of the victims that he never spoke for...he was supposed to be a mentor, but he was delusional and self-centered.  I will not pay homage to a man that has no morals.  

1/23/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

First off, regardless of what one has or hasn't done, lung cancer is an awful way to go. From personal experience I know that it wastes a person away, and the end is far from pretty. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Obviously the Sandusky situation complicates Paterno's legacy. The question is does one colossal error in judgment completely wipe out a lifetime of good deeds. I'm not sure that's a question that can be answered now. It's a question that can only be answered with time. There is no question Paterno's legacy is forever tarnished. History will judge to what degree.

As a Penn State fan (at least I was, and think I still am), I'm certainly feeling a degree of sadness with JoePa's passing. Until two months ago though, I never would've thought my feelings on it would be this conflicted.

1/22/12   |   Drummer99   |   4020 respect

I never, never, ever thought Paterno's career would end like this.


RIP Joe Paterno,

1/22/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

Sadly for him he is going to be linked forever to the atrocities that went down while he was coach.

1/22/12   |   Yetta   |   474 respect

kramer wrote:
Seniority wise, you're right.  However, I'll say it again.  As with any job, it's up to you to report it to the higher ups, and he did.  The administration not reporting it to the authorities is where it really went awry.  You actually saying his legacy of 46 years of charity and incredible work for not just football, but the university itself is tarnished because he DIDN'T go to the police is naive on your part.

i AGREE WITH YOU KRAMER!!!

1/22/12   |   billywa   |   658 respect

 Weird that Paterno, like Bear Bryant, passes less than six months leaving coaching...

1/22/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

kramer wrote:
The tragedy for Joe Pa isn't the lung cancer, it's that the board of trustees didn't have the fortitude to tell him to his face that he was fired.  Really?  A letter delivered by some random guy with a number to call?  That's pathetic.

 I agree with that, it was cowardly, but they had to act quickly, or so they thought

1/22/12   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

derms33 wrote:
 In addition, this is not a tragedy he was 8 friggin 5 for christ's sake.  You act like he was a 21 yr old kid.  Cancer kills many younger people every single day.  85 is old folks.

The tragedy for Joe Pa isn't the lung cancer, it's that the board of trustees didn't have the fortitude to tell him to his face that he was fired.  Really?  A letter delivered by some random guy with a number to call?  That's pathetic.

1/22/12   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

derms33 wrote:
Come on Kramer.  He was PENN STATE he carried more clout than any individual to step on campus.  He should have had Sandusky barred from campus, called the police to follow up on the actions and possibly reached out to the Victims.  You can't seriously be that naive.   And not to mention the actions of Sandusky had been going on a looooong time.  Paterno just didn't care. Its plain and simple.  He cared about football and his players and Penn St. Thats it.  People who try to make McQueary the bad guy make me sick.  McQueary reported the incident to HIS Superior, and on Penn St and in State College, NO ONE is Superior to Joe Paterno, nobody

Seniority wise, you're right.  However, I'll say it again.  As with any job, it's up to you to report it to the higher ups, and he did.  The administration not reporting it to the authorities is where it really went awry.  You actually saying his legacy of 46 years of charity and incredible work for not just football, but the university itself is tarnished because he DIDN'T go to the police is naive on your part.

1/22/12   |   Yetta   |   474 respect

No matter the age, death hurts the ones left to grieve.  I am not judging Paterno's sins because that is not really left for any of  us to do.  The moral situation was grave and will probably never be forgotten.  Preventing someone else from doing things immoral  is a task!!!  We can all say (including Paterno) this should have been handled differently.  It probably wouldn't have stop the molestation.  People of that mindset are just as bad as the overusers of drugs or sellers of drugs.  You stop them in one way, they just find another. Then we blame all the people around them for their failure.  We have institutions to help with their problems but the ultimate success is the person's commitment to do better.  Paterno didn't commit the act.  We can say he should have done a lot of things but the real demon is the perpetrator.  Rest in Peace Paterno.  No more pain. No more suffering. No more grief. No more sorrow. Just eternal PEACE!   

1/22/12   |   Tigers2010   |   646 respect

 There more to life then  foootball!!!

1/22/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

 In addition, this is not a tragedy he was 8 friggin 5 for christ's sake.  You act like he was a 21 yr old kid.  Cancer kills many younger people every single day.  85 is old folks.

1/22/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

kobe_lova wrote:
Um no, he should've done something else. F*** it being his job to only report it (trying to keep his job is possibly why he did nothing else. I'm hoping it's not because he just didn't care), as a person, he should've done more to stop it. It does supersede everything else. He may not have been at the top, but he was in a position to do more. The pedo also did a lot of charitable things. Is he excused? If someone was molesting my child, and you told someone who did nothing, and left it at that which led to it continuously happening to my child and others, I'd probably shoot you. There is no way in hell, as an adult, that I would not have made sure that it stopped, at least at my "job". This justification of it is pissing me off. The day his greatness as a coach becomes more important than his neglect of those kids is a very sh***y day. This is partly why I hate people. F***, this has bugged me on a nice Sunday...I'm done.

 its absolutely pathetic and sad that people think his charity and football wins outweigh the innocence lost of children.  I am not even a parent and absolutely disgusted by it, i guess because I am a human being I care about the kids.  WHo cares about Penn State and their campus?  I'd try and tear that statue down personally if i was near it.  The family issued a statement that even said he "changed the lives of many"...notice they didn't use the typical "touched"...guess that was left up to his asst. coach

1/22/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

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Come on Kramer.  He was PENN STATE he carried more clout than any individual to step on campus.  He should have had Sandusky barred from campus, called the police to follow up on the actions and possibly reached out to the Victims.  You can't seriously be that naive.   And not to mention the actions of Sandusky had been going on a looooong time.  Paterno just didn't care. Its plain and simple.  He cared about football and his players and Penn St. Thats it.  People who try to make McQueary the bad guy make me sick.  McQueary reported the incident to HIS Superior, and on Penn St and in State College, NO ONE is Superior to Joe Paterno, nobody

1/22/12   |   xtra_ill   |   539 respect

A couple of things to keep in mind......

Joe Paterno said Mike McQueary informed him that "he had witnessed an incident in the shower ... but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report."

McQueary reported the incident to Joe Paterno, who informed Athletic Director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, senior vice president for finance and business, who oversaw the Penn State police department at the time. Ultimately, the only action taken by Curley and Schultz was to order Sandusky not to bring any children from Second Mile to the football building — an action that was approved by school president Graham Spanier.

1/22/12   |   kobe_lova   |   61938 respect

Um no, he should've done something else. F*** it being his job to only report it (trying to keep his job is possibly why he did nothing else. I'm hoping it's not because he just didn't care), as a person, he should've done more to stop it. It does supersede everything else. He may not have been at the top, but he was in a position to do more. The pedo also did a lot of charitable things. Is he excused? If someone was molesting my child, and you told someone who did nothing, and left it at that which led to it continuously happening to my child and others, I'd probably shoot you. There is no way in hell, as an adult, that I would not have made sure that it stopped, at least at my "job". This justification of it is pissing me off. The day his greatness as a coach becomes more important than his neglect of those kids is a very sh***y day. This is partly why I hate people. F***, this has bugged me on a nice Sunday...I'm done.

1/22/12   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

Football was his life, and the way it was taken from him was as pitiful as the scandal itself.  The PSU powers that be showed that they were scared of Joe Pa the night he was fired.  That did tear him apart, and he probably was sick prior to that.  However, to have everything taken away from you in that manner, he probably did feel like he had nothing left to live for.  An 85-year-old man under that much stress is going to have more problems.  I just hope that people realize that his legacy outweighs this scandal.

1/22/12   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

derms33 wrote:
 His life was Penn State.  WHen it was taken from him thats was the end for him.  His charity and wins mean nothing and pale in comparison for his LACK of morals.  I am sure the victims in the "showers that Paterno built" aren't shedding a tear.  And neither am I.

He reported it to his superiors, who turned the other way and never reported the incidents to the police.  In any job if you see something wrong happening, it's your job to report it to your boss who should then deal with that employee appropriately.

1/22/12   |   Jeff_P   |   19893 respect

kteacher wrote:
I sympathize with his family. Losing a loved one (especially watching them struggle with cancer) is tough.

That being said, it is hard for me to get over the fact that he could have prevented the destruction of many young boys' lives and did nothing. 

it is SAD.....but at the time JOE thought he did the right thing....reported it to HIS SUPERIOR.......who did nothing further on the accusations..........

1/22/12   |   kteacher   |   34390 respect

I sympathize with his family. Losing a loved one (especially watching them struggle with cancer) is tough.

That being said, it is hard for me to get over the fact that he could have prevented the destruction of many young boys' lives and did nothing. 

1/22/12   |   derms33   |   17645 respect

 His life was Penn State.  WHen it was taken from him thats was the end for him.  His charity and wins mean nothing and pale in comparison for his LACK of morals.  I am sure the victims in the "showers that Paterno built" aren't shedding a tear.  And neither am I.

1/22/12   |   irmacourt   |   2828 respect

Scott wrote:
Even with his one giant omission in the final years, I hope people do not forget all the good things Paterno did (from player graduation rates to charitable donations).  His failure to uphold basic moral responsiblity is a black spot on his overall record... it doesn't supersede it. 

R.I.P. JOE NOW PLAY FOOTBALL WITH THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN

1/22/12   |   Jeff_P   |   19893 respect

Scott wrote:
Even with his one giant omission in the final years, I hope people do not forget all the good things Paterno did (from player graduation rates to charitable donations).  His failure to uphold basic moral responsiblity is a black spot on his overall record... it doesn't supersede it. 

VERY VERY sad ending to a GREAT CAREER,,,,,,,R.I.P.JOE PA............:(

1/22/12   |   Scott   |   53704 respect

Even with his one giant omission in the final years, I hope people do not forget all the good things Paterno did (from player graduation rates to charitable donations).  His failure to uphold basic moral responsiblity is a black spot on his overall record... it doesn't supersede it.