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Kansas High School Football Team (Smith Center) Scores 72 Points in 1st Quarter, Bill Belichick Applauds

10/31/07 in HS Football   |   CriticalFanatic   |   respect

Bill Belichick, you have an admirer in Kansas. Smith Center High School in Smith Center, Kansas scored 72 points in just the first quarter of a playoff game Tuesday night.

The Salina, Kansas, Journal says Smith Center forced six turnovers in the first quarter as it racked up what is believed to be a record for points in a quarter by a high school team. The paper said the previous record was 66 set in Arizona by Prescott High School in 1925.


Smith Center has outscored its opponents 640-0 so far this season. That includes a 69-0 win earlier this year over Plainville High, the same team it beat last night.

It should be noted, however, that Smith Center only went on to score 14 more points the rest of the game. By the way, 640-0? Shouldn't that team move up a division?

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11/6/09   |   bryanlinscott

Kansas High school football, where you can make the play offs at 1-8 or miss the play offs at 8-1! Go Kansas!

11/6/09   |   bryanlinscott

Peeper wrote:
Dear holy god!!! How do you give up 72 F-ing points in a game let alone the first quarter? 

You play a team who finished the regular season 1-8, only in Kansas! Believe it or not, Plainville wasn't the only team in Kansas to finish the season 1-8 and make the play offs. Wabaunsee also made it in along with Maize 3-6, Blue valley 3-6, Liberal 3-6, Shawnee Heights 3-6, Baldwin 2-7, Concordia 2-7, Rock creek 3-6, Augusta 2-7, Clearwater 3-6, Jayhawk-linn 2-7, Sabetha 3-6, Moundridge 3-6, Sedan 2-7, Sterling 3-6, and 16 other teams at 4-5. Makes you wonder if anyone didn't make the playoffs!

11/8/07   |   Peeper

Dear holy god!!! How do you give up 72 F-ing points in a game let alone the first quarter? 

11/1/07   |   amstall

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By the way, 640-0? Shouldn't that team move up a division?

This might sound dumb, but it wouldn't really be fair.  Smith Center is a 2A school; my high school was a Kansas 3A school in the same region, and we only had about 200 people in my entire 4-year school (smith center's enrollment is probably closer to 130 or so).  To really move up to their current level of play, they would probably have to go up to 5A or 6A, with high schools with enrollments of nearly 1500 or so;  that would put them at a huge disadvantage and they would get smoked.

My guess is that there are a couple players who are outstanding and are really carrying them against some really crappy local competition, but once these few players leave, they will probably be similar to their class competition again.

Before a few years ago...about 2004 or so Smith Center was a 3A team. They were good but not like they are today.

And a little FYI Roger Barta's son Brooks coach's Holton KS' football team and they have also been pretty dominate in recent history.

11/1/07   |   jeffkan1

staffbb43 wrote:

jeffkan, i disagree. he had all his offensive starters out midway through the 1st, and ordered the team to stop scoring tds. if you read the article on espn, you can tell he's clearly embarassed.

 

as far as extra points, i grew up at an 8-man school also....95% of the teams don't kick - ever. even field goals. when you have less than 20 kids out, you normally can't find one that can regularly kick it through the uprights.

 

how would you like to be a senior on that team? you've probably played less than the jv squad, and probably less than some of those normally relegated to the freshman team.

 

again, it's not smith center's fault plainville couldn't ever stop them. i think it's a reason the kansas playoff system should be re-done. plainville was 4-5 and made the playoffs, thanks to winning a couple of district games at the end of the season. the whole thing needs to be overhauled.

(Edited by jeffkan1)

Staffbb43, no problem, you're welcome to disagree.     I read the Salina Journal article which has details. I'm unable to find an article on ESPN with more than 3 paragraphs.

 

I haven't seen info. that said he pulled all of his offensive starters out halfway through the first quarter.  If he did, great.  Did he pull all of his defensive starters too?  Certainly can when you're up 40-0 in the first quarter.

 

Smith Center is not an 8-man school.  I understand what you're saying though, that most teams don't kick the PAT.  But Smith Center found a way to kick (and make) a field goal in the 2nd half, so they had someone that could kick.  I'm fairly certain that they have more than 20 kids out for football.

 

I'm not sure how I would like to be a senior on that team.  Might be difficult to not play as much as the JV squad.  Life's unfair.  How would you like to be Plainville's starting QB who got hurt in their first game against Smith Center earlier in the year?  His season was ruined.  Just to be clear here, I'm not saying it's unfair for Smith Center to run up the score.  I'm saying it's bad judgement and unnecessary.

 

I don't think it's Smith Center's fault that Plainville couldn't stop them.  What was Smith Center supposed to do, let Plainville tackle them? This coach at Smith Center has been around a long time though, he knows what could be done and not done to not run up the score.

 

And agreed, the Kansas HS playoff system should be re-done.  Many teams with losing records make the playoffs each year.  Some teams with 6-3 and 7-2 records don't get in.  I do agree with ya there.

 

Now I wasn't at this game, so is it possible that the coach put in all the youngest, inexperienced players that he had suited up, as soon as it was 40-0 in the first quarter?  Sure, he may have done that.  In that case, the coach did all that he could do to keep the score down.  But anything short of that is a bad idea.  The Salina Journal article claims that the coach doesn't want to "be part of something like that again".  I'm saying he had ample opportunity to avoid it while it was happening.  

 

P.S.  I just found the long article on ESPN, good piece.  Defensive starters stayed in until end of half.  Folks are worried about the starters getting enough reps?  You're kidding, right?  The next team they play they'll beat by 30 pts at least. And the coach decides after they're up by 70 that they aren't supposed to score any more?  Hey, that's quite generous of him.

11/1/07   |   tpowell25   |   1627 respect

staffbb43 wrote:

let me clue you guys in

 

1) plainville (the team they played) had 5 fumbles and an interception - returned for a touchdown - in that 1st quarter....i believe 2 of the fumbles were on the kickoffs.

 

2) smith center just ran the ball up the gut - touchdown runs of 50, 9, 38, 20, 3, 25, and 60 yards...it's not their fault plainville couldn't tackle them

 

3) after the 1st quarter, the coach told them to run out of bounds inside the 5, hence the lack of scoring afterwards (they even kicked a field goal on 1st and goal from the 1).

 

4) smith center has an enrollment around 150. there's no way they could move up and compete against schools that have enrollment's over 500.

That's 13 TD's.  I thought they just scored 10.  (not that 10 isn't a lot.  I just wanna make sure we got our stories straight here.)

 

I don't care how they were scored and who was playing.  72 points is still unbelievable.

11/1/07   |   staffbb43   |   3 respect

jeffkan, i disagree. he had all his offensive starters out midway through the 1st, and ordered the team to stop scoring tds. if you read the article on espn, you can tell he's clearly embarassed.

 

as far as extra points, i grew up at an 8-man school also....95% of the teams don't kick - ever. even field goals. when you have less than 20 kids out, you normally can't find one that can regularly kick it through the uprights.

 

how would you like to be a senior on that team? you've probably played less than the jv squad, and probably less than some of those normally relegated to the freshman team.

 

again, it's not smith center's fault plainville couldn't ever stop them. i think it's a reason the kansas playoff system should be re-done. plainville was 4-5 and made the playoffs, thanks to winning a couple of district games at the end of the season. the whole thing needs to be overhauled.

11/1/07   |   jeffkan1

Hey gang, I live in a town that's in Smith Center's league.  I didn't see the game that they beat us 60-0, but we're in a higher division, and won our opening playoff game. After this game against Plainville, Smith Center coach was quoted as saying "we didn't know what to do", referring to how to pull back and not run up the score so much. Plainville started their 3rd string QB, as they had 2 QBs get hurt during the season.  Smith Center played them earlier in the year and completely killed them, and knew they were starting a 3rd string QB, so Smith Center HAD to know things would get ugly quickly. But in the world of high school football, just as in love and war, all is fair.

 

As far as Kansas not having depth in football talent, hey, it's a state with less than 2.5 million people, with most of those people concentrated in 3 cities.  Some small schools have football tradition, some don't.  Smith Center is one of those that do.  When a boy is born, they offer the baby a basketball and a football.  If the baby chooses the basketball, it's put up for adoption!    Juuuuust teasin'.

 

Anyway, my point is, the Smith Center coach knew exactly what would happen. He was standing there on the sideline when according to the Salina Journal, Plainville fumbled the ball 9 times, lost 6 of them, and threw 1 INT.  All in the first quarter.  At some point BEFORE the 72nd point was scored, he could've pulled his 4 or 5 best players, or 7 or 8, or replaced the whole defense with younger players.  For those 9 TDs scored in the first quarter, did they ever try to kick a PAT?  No, they went for 2 every time, and converted every time.

 

There's a time when competetiveness should be overcome with common sense, and it clearly was not the case here.  Too bad for Smith Center.

11/1/07   |   staffbb43   |   3 respect

let me clue you guys in

 

1) plainville (the team they played) had 5 fumbles and an interception - returned for a touchdown - in that 1st quarter....i believe 2 of the fumbles were on the kickoffs.

 

2) smith center just ran the ball up the gut - touchdown runs of 50, 9, 38, 20, 3, 25, and 60 yards...it's not their fault plainville couldn't tackle them

 

3) after the 1st quarter, the coach told them to run out of bounds inside the 5, hence the lack of scoring afterwards (they even kicked a field goal on 1st and goal from the 1).

 

4) smith center has an enrollment around 150. there's no way they could move up and compete against schools that have enrollment's over 500.

10/31/07   |   MIKE!   |   41 respect

psh, our high school has probably scored 72 points in the last decade, lol

10/31/07   |   tpowell25   |   1627 respect

kappafla211 wrote:
They showed sportsmanship after the first quarter when the cheerleaders took over for the last three quarters.

Who was cheering??????

 

10/31/07   |   kappafla211

Seth wrote:
Yea, but on that last touchdown they should have kicked a field goal instead of going for another touchdown.

You're right maybe they should only kick field goals.

10/31/07   |   kappafla211

tpowell25 wrote:

All Belichick jokes aside (and there is room for plenty here), how the hell do you give up 72 points in one quarter, in a playoff game????

 

14 points the rest of the game? pfft.  They're no Patriots.

They showed sportsmanship after the first quarter when the cheerleaders took over for the last three quarters.

10/31/07   |   CHansen

tpowell25 wrote:

But still....10 touchdowns in 15 minutes is pretty unreal.  No matter how good the winning team is, the oppenents have to be doing something really, really wrong for that to happen.  A couple of 3-and-outs would take a few of those minutes minutes off of the clock, they would hope at least.

 

I'm not saying it couldn't or didn't happen, I'm just saying it is very...what is the word....Wow.  That's all I have.  Sorry.

Yeah, it's still very "wow."  I'm just saying that in the context of Kansas high school football, it's a lot less "wow".  The guy who scored those 63 TD's generally only played the first half or even just the first quarters of his games that year, and with Kansas high school football so unbalanced (Salina teams generally just embarrass its neighbor schools), it takes a little luster off of it. 

It's still ridiculous though, for sure.

10/31/07   |   tpowell25   |   1627 respect

CHansen wrote:
Kansas high schools don't exactly have a lot of depth in talent, which is why the state record-holder for TD's in a single season in Kansas is 63 (held by Jake Sharp).  One or a couple talented guys can run that score up like it's nothing.

But still....10 touchdowns in 15 minutes is pretty unreal.  No matter how good the winning team is, the oppenents have to be doing something really, really wrong for that to happen.  A couple of 3-and-outs would take a few of those minutes minutes off of the clock, they would hope at least.

 

I'm not saying it couldn't or didn't happen, I'm just saying it is very...what is the word....Wow.  That's all I have.  Sorry.

10/31/07   |   CHansen

Kansas high schools don't exactly have a lot of depth in talent, which is why the state record-holder for TD's in a single season in Kansas is 63 (held by Jake Sharp).  One or a couple talented guys can run that score up like it's nothing.

10/31/07   |   kantwistaye   |   4211 respect

... but Belichick was disappointed when Smith Center gave up and fell far short of the 288 they were on pace for, saying that he "has seen way too many comebacks before."

10/31/07   |   tpowell25   |   1627 respect

All Belichick jokes aside (and there is room for plenty here), how the hell do you give up 72 points in one quarter, in a playoff game????

 

14 points the rest of the game? pfft.  They're no Patriots.

10/31/07   |   Seth   |   301 respect

Yea, but on that last touchdown they should have kicked a field goal instead of going for another touchdown.