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11/13/08
Lou Piniella Won NL Manager Of The Year Over Charlie Manuel, But Did He Really Deserve It?
Sweet Lou Over Charlie Manuel For Manager Of The Year? You're Kidding Me, Right?
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I'm all fired up right now.  I mean I'm seriously fired up, like rip-roarin', expletive-yelling, a-massive-freak-out-is-imminent kind of fired up.

Let me first say this: I agree completely with Joe Maddon being named the AL Manager of the Year.  Kudos to Maddon for getting his team of young ballplayers to the World Series.  The Rays played consistently well in the 2008 season; because of this, they took their first trip to the Fall Classic, and they played well there, too.  They didn't win, but they played well, and a lot of that is a reflection of Maddon's skill and influence.

So the manager of the AL team that lost the World Series got named AL Manager of the Year.  Understandable.  He deserves it.  Again, kudos to him.

But how did the manager of the NL team that won the World Series not get named NL Manager of the Year?

I know, I know.  This award isn't based on postseason performance.  But it's not as if the Phillies gave a shoddy performance in their regular season.  Far from it, in fact.  And it was their aggressive style of playing in the regular season, their ability to not give up, to be the team that would surprise you by being down the whole damn game and then knockin' in enough key runs to win the game that everyone thought they were gonna lose--it was this attitude and mentality, which Manuel fostered in this team, that made them winners this year.

The Phillies are a team that people have referred to as being the losingest team in baseball.  They're a team that doesn't have the huge stars like Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, or Albert Pujols.  They're a team of guys who weren't stars a few years ago but who have turned into big names recently.  Yeah, we've known for a while that Ryan Howard and Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley were good, but all of a sudden this Victorino guy's stealing bases behind your back and then mowing down your catcher as he slides into home, this young Hamels dude is sending fastballs whizzing past your head, some guy named Werth is hittin' all kinds of line drives, and this pitcher by the name of Myers is terrorizing opposing pitchers when he's at the plate because he has an uncanny knack for actually hitting the ball.

Charlie Manuel was the one to turn this team of scrappy guys into a team of World Series champions.  He motivated them to fight for first place all season, helped them to achieve it, and motivated them to be the best they could be--and it turns out that this year, they were the best in all of baseball.

How did he get aced out by a manager whose team didn't make it past the first round of the playoffs?

I get it.  The Cubs are a fan favorite.  The Cubs haven't won a World Series in, like, a million years.  The Cubs are the underdog.  And who doesn't want the underdog to win eventually?

But this year, the Cubs didn't win anything except the NL Central division title.  What good does a fantastic regular season record do you if you choke in the postseason?

While the Phillies were out there playing NLCS and World Series games, the Cubs were probably at home, lounging on their couches, drinking beer and watching the playoff games on TV.  What else did they have to do?  Their season was over. 

And again, I ask you: how did the manager of this team win NL Manager of the Year when it wasn't exactly the Cubs' year?  (If it was, they would have been the World Series champions this year.  Let me remind you again--they weren't.)

I get that this award is based on a team's regular season performance.  Fine.  But during the regular season, the Phillies started out absolutely huge (thanks to Chase Utley and Pat Burrell being totally en fuego in the early part of the season), then slumped for a little while, and then--for the second year in a row--managed to claw their way back to the top to clinch a playoff berth.  They rallied hard against the division rival Mets, who put up a darn good fight.  Just because they didn't clinch that coveted NL East title sooner or with a better record doesn't mean they didn't deserve or earn it.  They played hard, fought their way back, and earned themselves that playoff berth for the second year in a row.  In the end of the regular season, the Phillies came out on top.  And because of their regular season performance, they managed to not only get into the playoffs, but then clobber their playoff competition, and eventually come out on top of everyone.  And Manuel was the leader behind all this clobbering.

I'm particularly incensed by the comments made by Matt Snyder in this article, posted over at MLB Fanhouse.  Snyder said that the reason Piniella was picked was clearly because he led the Cubs "to the most victories the franchise has had since 1945."  While I agree that that's a fantastic achievement, the question still remains: exactly how did all these victories help the Cubs in October?  Oh, that's right--they didn't.  (That's not a knock on Piniella--he's a fantastic manager, and has been an excellent manager for a long time.  But based on the Cubs' achievements this year, did he really deserve the Manager of the Year award?  I'm not convinced.)  The Cubs weren't the only team to make it to their second consecutive postseason this year.  Can you guess which other team also was in their second conseuctive postseason this year?  (If you guessed the Phillies, you'd be right!)

Snyder--who, by the way, managed to misspell Sweet Lou's last name every time he wrote it in his article--also said (sarcastically) that he's certain Manuel was "...really worried about not winning, considering the ring and trophy he earned in the playoffs."  Wait a second.  Is he suggesting that because Manuel already got plenty of accolades this season, in the forms of a World Series ring and trophy, that somehow Manuel already received enough and, because of this, is less deserving of this award than Piniella is?

Through a season's worth of hard work, perseverance, determination, faith, and a whole lotta heart, Charlie Manuel and his Phillies earned their rings.  They earned their trophy.  After 28 years, the Phillies (and their city) earned their pride, glory, and braggin' rights.

And although Manuel wasn't given the title of NL Manager of the Year - I'm convinced he earned that, too.

NIKKI is the snarky little so-and-so behind the humor blog RED PEN, INC.  She also talks baseball over at THE BILF REPORT.
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11/13/08
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(Edited by dillo19)
  First, I would like to congratulate Lou Piniella on being chosen NL Manager of the Year.  That being said, you made a compelling case as to why Charlie Manuel should have been chosen NL Manager of the Year.  I am fairly certain that he is one happy man right now, and is content with the World Series trophy.  I am betting that Mr. Piniella would gladly trade places with Mr. Manuel.

11/13/08
4
I agree with many of your points! 

I don't ever see the awards including post-season accomplishments, though. 

At least we have that championship banner to console us!   

11/13/08
3
92 wins, 2nd best record in the NL, 5th best in all of baseball, with Rollins missing 25 games... that's not spectacular? The Cubs only finished 5 games better, and I think that it's safe to say that they have a bit more talent on their roster.

11/13/08
2
The regular season the Phillies had was perhaps one of their better ones in quite some time, because for the most part, after their trip to LA, they were counted for dead and after the Brewers came to town did anyone even mentioned that they even had a pulse left, but when it finally counted during Sept, the Phillies showed their mettle and proceeded to win their division title from a Mets team that alot of people had favored and drooled over. Not only that, but their nbr 2 starter was sent down to the minors for a brief time and emerged as a force and as well had injuries to several people like Rollins and Victorino and still managed to come out on top, not only with their talent because if it only took talent to win a division or a World Series, the Phillies wouldn't be serious contenders according to the press. But, as stated above, it takes heart, hard work and determination to overcome when your enemies believes they have you down and that's what it took from the Phillies to win and that's why Charlie Manuel should've been NL Manager of the year.

11/13/08
2
I have to agree. Lou lead the Cubs to the best record in the NL. And this is a regular season award. People tend to forget that when these awards are announced.

11/13/08
2
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First, the voters vote on this award before the playoffs start. Therefore, what ever happens in the playoffs has NO effect on the award. I am a huge Phillies fan, and have been going to games since I was 5. This year I probably only missed watching 5 games all year. Before, I say anything, I want you to know that I do like Charlie Manuel. I understand that his strength is “managing” his players, and his weakness is in strategy.  
Honestly I am not upset that Charlie did not win the award because the Phillies struggled to win the NL East, whereas they should have ran away with the division with the talent on this team compared to the rest on the division. There were 2 times (middle of June and beg of July) when the Phillies were in 1st place up by 4 games on the Mets or Marlins, and then go on a losing skid (3-8 and 3-7). Furthermore, their losing skids occurred at the same time the Mets and Marlins went on losing skids too because the Phillies remained in 1st place after both the losing skids were over. My point is that the Phillies had multiple chances to distance themselves from the rest of the teams, but failed to do so. Instead, in the middle of September, more precisely the weekend when they swept a four game series against the Brewers, the Phillies were 3.5 games back in the Division . If the Mets played above .500 the final 17 games of the season, then the Mets would have won the Division. The Mets were 7-10 the final 17 games, but if they went 11-6, then they would have won the Division. If the latter occurred, then us (Phillies Fans) would be calling for Charlie’s Head because he had multiple chances to pull away and win the NL East earlier in the season.
One of the main reasons they were unable to pull away in the NL East when they had a chance to was because the team would have stretches when they struggled to score runs, one time period that comes to mind is when they were playing the interleague games. The reason why they were unable to score runs was because they relied too many times on HRs to produce runs, and were horrible at manufacturing runs throughout the game. The Phillies as a team had a .241 Avg with RISP and ..237 with RISP and 2 Outs. Manuel very rarely would bunt runners over when the situation presented itself, except when a pitcher was up to bat. Also, the Phillies struggled all season trying to score a run by a Sac Fly.  
In my opinion, I thought Fredi Gonzalez should have been Manager of Year. He was not given a team with a lot of talent (Yes, I know Ramirez is there), but was able to get the most out of his players. The Marlins remained in the race for the NL East the majority of the season, and until the middle/end of August was only 1 to 3 games out of 1st place. Also, the Marlins were only 5 games out of 1st in the middle of September, the same time the Phillies were 3.5 games out. Therefore, since the Mets did collapse the Marlins had a shot at winning the NL East. If they had swept the Phillies during their series in late September, then they would have been 3 games out with 7 games to left.  
Two things about your article. First, the reason Lou probably won the Manager of the Year is that he ran away with the NL Central, the best division in the NL, and probably the 2nd best division in Baseball behind the AL East. No team really ever came close to catching them, and when there was a chance the Brewers could have either been tied with the Cubs or 1 game out the Cubs swept them in a 4 games series at Milwaukee. Also, they had one of the best home records in Baseball, and were 1 of 5 teams in Baseball to be both above .500 at both home and on the road. Finally, as a Phillies fan, I disagree with your statement, “They're a team of guys who weren't stars a few years ago but who have turned into big names recently. Yeah, we've known for a while that Ryan Howard and Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley were good……”. Ryan Howard and Jimmy Rollins were Super Stars before this year because they did win the NL MVP in 2006 and 2007. Chase Utley has started in the All Star game the last two seasons. The national media began talking about Cole Hamels last year when he was an All Star. Now, I can see your point about the national media not knowing about Victronio, but as Phillies fan’s we know that he emerged as a great player last year, and team’s learned to respect his arm in RF last year about half way through the season. I really disagree with you about the National Media did not know about Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, and Cole Hamels until some time this year. Also, you might want to look at the team objectively rather than subjectively.
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11/13/08
2
Ryan wrote:
I agree with many of your points! 

I don't ever see the awards including post-season accomplishments, though. 

At least we have that championship banner to console us!   
I love that championship banner!  I'm still basking in the glow of a Phillies World Series win--the first one in my lifetime!  :)

11/13/08
1
Batman9 wrote:
The regular season the Phillies had was perhaps one of their better ones in quite some time, because for the most part, after their trip to LA, they were counted for dead and after the Brewers came to town did anyone even mentioned that they even had a pulse left, but when it finally counted during Sept, the Phillies showed their mettle and proceeded to win their division title from a Mets team that alot of people had favored and drooled over. Not only that, but their nbr 2 starter was sent down to the minors for a brief time and emerged as a force and as well had injuries to several people like Rollins and Victorino and still managed to come out on top, not only with their talent because if it only took talent to win a division or a World Series, the Phillies wouldn't be serious contenders according to the press. But, as stated above, it takes heart, hard work and determination to overcome when your enemies believes they have you down and that's what it took from the Phillies to win and that's why Charlie Manuel should've been NL Manager of the year.
The Phillies are the Comeback Kids.  I love it!  That battle against the Mets was hard-fought and well-fought.  At least it didn't come down to the VERY last day of the regular season this year!

11/13/08
1
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First, the voters vote on this award before the playoffs start. Therefore, what ever happens in the playoffs has NO effect on the award. I am a huge Phillies fan, and have been going to games since I was 5. This year I probably only missed watching 5 games all year. Before, I say anything, I want you to know that I do like Charlie Manuel. I understand that his strength is “managing” his players, and his weakness is in strategy.  
Honestly I am not upset that Charlie did not win the award because the Phillies struggled to win the NL East, whereas they should have ran away with the division with the talent on this team compared to the rest on the division. There were 2 times (middle of June and beg of July) when the Phillies were in 1st place up by 4 games on the Mets or Marlins, and then go on a losing skid (3-8 and 3-7). Furthermore, their losing skids occurred at the same time the Mets and Marlins went on losing skids too because the Phillies remained in 1st place after both the losing skids were over. My point is that the Phillies had multiple chances to distance themselves from the rest of the teams, but failed to do so. Instead, in the middle of September, more precisely the weekend when they swept a four game series against the Brewers, the Phillies were 3.5 games back in the Division . If the Mets played above .500 the final 17 games of the season, then the Mets would have won the Division. The Mets were 7-10 the final 17 games, but if they went 11-6, then they would have won the Division. If the latter occurred, then us (Phillies Fans) would be calling for Charlie’s Head because he had multiple chances to pull away and win the NL East earlier in the season.
One of the main reasons they were unable to pull away in the NL East when they had a chance to was because the team would have stretches when they struggled to score runs, one time period that comes to mind is when they were playing the interleague games. The reason why they were unable to score runs was because they relied too many times on HRs to produce runs, and were horrible at manufacturing runs throughout the game. The Phillies as a team had a .241 Avg with RISP and ..237 with RISP and 2 Outs. Manuel very rarely would bunt runners over when the situation presented itself, except when a pitcher was up to bat. Also, the Phillies struggled all season trying to score a run by a Sac Fly.  
In my opinion, I thought Fredi Gonzalez should have been Manager of Year. He was not given a team with a lot of talent (Yes, I know Ramirez is there), but was able to get the most out of his players. The Marlins remained in the race for the NL East the majority of the season, and until the middle/end of August was only 1 to 3 games out of 1st place. Also, the Marlins were only 5 games out of 1st in the middle of September, the same time the Phillies were 3.5 games out. Therefore, since the Mets did collapse the Marlins had a shot at winning the NL East. If they had swept the Phillies during their series in late September, then they would have been 3 games out with 7 games to left.  
Two things about your article. First, the reason Lou probably won the Manager of the Year is that he ran away with the NL Central, the best division in the NL, and probably the 2nd best division in Baseball behind the AL East. No team really ever came close to catching them, and when there was a chance the Brewers could have either been tied with the Cubs or 1 game out the Cubs swept them in a 4 games series at Milwaukee. Also, they had one of the best home records in Baseball, and were 1 of 5 teams in Baseball to be both above .500 at both home and on the road. Finally, as a Phillies fan, I disagree with your statement, “They're a team of guys who weren't stars a few years ago but who have turned into big names recently. Yeah, we've known for a while that Ryan Howard and Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley were good……”. Ryan Howard and Jimmy Rollins were Super Stars before this year because they did win the NL MVP in 2006 and 2007. Chase Utley has started in the All Star game the last two seasons. The national media began talking about Cole Hamels last year when he was an All Star. Now, I can see your point about the national media not knowing about Victronio, but as Phillies fan’s we know that he emerged as a great player last year, and team’s learned to respect his arm in RF last year about half way through the season. I really disagree with you about the National Media did not know about Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, and Cole Hamels until some time this year. Also, you might want to look at the team objectively rather than subjectively.
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Actually, I said that folks had known about Howard's/Rollins'/Utley's talent for a while, and then went on to mention that it was the REST of the team whose talent was just started to be noticed (ie Werth, Victorino, etc).  While I agree that people have been talking about Hamels being good for a while, I think this year was the year he really proved it.

11/13/08
7
(Edited by dillo19)
  First, I would like to congratulate Lou Piniella on being chosen NL Manager of the Year.  That being said, you made a compelling case as to why Charlie Manuel should have been chosen NL Manager of the Year.  I am fairly certain that he is one happy man right now, and is content with the World Series trophy.  I am betting that Mr. Piniella would gladly trade places with Mr. Manuel.

11/13/08
1
thegrammarphile wrote:
I love that championship banner!  I'm still basking in the glow of a Phillies World Series win--the first one in my lifetime!  :)
Thanks for reminding me that I'm old enough to kind of remember the first one......


11/13/08
2
dillo19 wrote:
  First, I would like to congratulate Lou Piniella on being chosen NL Manager of the Year.  That being said, you made a compelling case as to why Charlie Manuel should have been chosen NL Manager of the Year.  I am fairly certain that he is one happy man right now, and is content with the World Series trophy.  I am betting that Mr. Piniella would gladly trade places with Mr. Manuel.
Piniella did a good job this year.  Maybe eventually it will be his turn for a World Series trophy, too!  :)  But I'm so glad that THIS year's trophy belongs to Manuel and the Phillies!

11/13/08
2
Ryan wrote:
Thanks for reminding me that I'm old enough to kind of remember the first one......

Ha!  Well, I was actually in the womb when they won in '80 (I'm not THAT much of a young'un!), but being in the womb made trying to watch the games on TV really difficult.  :)

11/13/08
0
Ryan wrote:
Thanks for reminding me that I'm old enough to kind of remember the first one......

I am old enough to really remember the first one!

11/13/08
0
I think it's more of an outrage that Joe Maddon wasn't a unanimous choice in the AL. Second lowest payroll in the majors and in the toughest division in baseball and won it.
While I respect the Twins and Gardenhire, who was that guy that voted Maddon second? He should have to give up his credentials.

11/13/08
1
I'm not sure there is much to be mad about.  There is only one important prize and that's the World Series ring.  I could care less as a Cub fan that Lou Piniella won.  Long after we've forgotten who won the 2008 manager of the year, all of us will remember that the Phillies won the World Series.  It's as hollow as a postseason Alfonso Soriano swing. 

11/13/08
0
If they were so evenly matched, why did so many people pick the Cubs to win the Central in the preseason, and why were they the favorites to get the WS for the NL?  People have ridden off the Phils all year, but when it comes down to this, were even?  I don't think so.

11/13/08
1
I would gladly trade all the regular season individual awards for one world series!

11/13/08
0

We all know what happened when Soriano was out of the lineup, the Cubs forgot how to hit.


11/13/08
0

I wasn't trying to defeat your point.  I was saying that Soriano's absence was huge for the Cubs.  Seriously, that team didn't produce much when he was injured.  It was like someone flipped a switch to "off" on the Cubbies' lineup when he was on the DL.


11/14/08
1
One more reason Lou may not have been the best choice. Everyone and their little sister knows Soriano's not a leadoff hitter.

11/14/08
1
I don't believe there is. And yeah... tons of people were outraged about McLouth winning a GG. Well... as outraged as someone could get over something like GG awards. In the end, everyone with a basic knowledge of the game knows that half of them are a joke anyway, so it's nothing to get worked up about. Of all the yearly awards, that's probably the one that gets screwed up the most, because no one pays attention to defense except for the 5 minutes before they cast their votes for the GG's. Even then, they sometimes just take the top guys in fielding percentage, another thing that most baseball people acknowledge is a highly flawed stat, and not terribly indicative of a players fielding ability.

11/14/08
1
Just an FYI Renegade.... Beltran did win a gold glove:

mlb.mlb.com/mlb/awards/y2008/index.jsp

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12/15/08
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mugash0 wrote:
sorry i don't know .

12/17/08
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Dude, you were awesome in the Rumble in the Jungle

 
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