MLB Power Rankings June 23

The Dodgers And Red Sox Are Widening The Gap Between Them And The Rest Of The League [MLB Power Rankings]

6/23/09 in MLB   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

Last week, I hinted that I might eventually drop the Dodgers down because their division is horrifically weak. Well... this is the week. Even though the Giants and Rockies are actually doing pretty well, the bottom line is that (as I'll mention in the Rankings) any non-Dodgers team in the NL West would be no better than 5th place in the AL East.

This week, there are a lot of shake-ups in the rankings. Feel free to rip them as much as you'd like, or provide your thoughts on where each team should be. Let me hear it in the comments.

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Here's this week's rankings. Enjoy. By the way, anything in italics is courtesy of people who sent in suggestions. I wish I could take credit, but those are not my words. Good stuff guys, thanks!

Rank
(LW)
Hi/Lo

Team
Record
L10

Notes
1
(2)
1/16
42-27
7-3
 The Red Sox are dominating the league right now. Their incredible pitching depth is what pushes them over the edge. "With Dice-K sitting on the DL, the hopes for the Red Sox winning every fifth day just dramatically increased." -arv3403
2
(1)
1/3
46-24
6-4
 This is the week where I finally punish the Dodgers for playing in a weak division, because as well as the Rockies and Giants are doing, I think they'd still be in 5th place in the AL East.
3
(8)
3/10
38-31
5-5
 The Tigers are looking good, and rebounding nicely from their last place finish last year, wouldn't you say?
4
(12)
3/12
39-32
6-4
 The Cardinals need to find a way to bring in just a little more talent (preferably a big bat), and this division is as good as theirs.
5
(11)
5/29
37-33
9-1
 The Rockies are the hottest team in baseball right now, reminiscent of their streak to end 2007. Can they repeat the end results, though? Not likely.
6
(7)
4/27
37-32
4-6
 The Brewers are still holding on, but let's just say that I'm not terribly optimistic for them in the long run.
7
(14)
1/14
38-33
4-6
With apologies to Zack Grienke, Roy Halladay (10-1, 2.53 ERA) is the best pitcher in baseball.
8
(10)
8/27
37-34
7-3
 Rays slowly rising because bullpen has been effective: only 8 ER over the last 40 innings. Rays continue to lead the majors in runs scored. World Series rematch with Phils up next. -MarkTheShark
9
(5)
3/18
38-31
4-6
 The Yankees take a huge hit, thanks to their series loss against the Nationals. That's simply unacceptable, especially when you have a $201M payroll.
10
(9)
9/26
37-32
6-4
 Pablo Sandoval (.336, 8 HR, 33 RBI) is really coming into his own. This kid will be a solid hitter down the line.
11
(4)
3/18
37-31
4-6
 Chris Davis is the fastest player in the history of the MLB to get to 100 strikeouts. Pathetic. -drn0iswatr
12
(6)
6/25
36-32
7-3
 By this time next week, the Angels will be atop the AL West. And once that happens, they'll stay there for the rest of the year.
13
(3)
2/20
36-31
2-8
 The Phillies are falling apart at the seams, despite monster production from now-injured Raul Ibanez (22 HR, 59 RBI) and Ryan Howard (20 HR, 54 RBI).
14
(16)
6/16
34-32
5-5
 The Cubs are looking like... well... a team that hasn't won the World Series in over a century, and won't win one this year, either.
15
(13)
5/25
35-33
4-6
 The Mets are obviously being aggressive this year, starting their annual choke job a little early. This is not exactly a good-looking team right now.
16
(23)
5/24
35-34
6-4
 The Mariners are at a crucial point in their organization right now. Play for now, and hope to improve, with maybe a key acquisition? Or blow up it and build for the future?
17
(17)
17/21
35-36
5-5
 The Twins are 24-15 at home, but their atrocious 11-21 road record is killing them. They need to find a way to schedule more games in Minnesota.
18
(15)
1/25
35-36
6-4
 Josh Johnson (7-1, 2.66 ERA) is growing into a sneaky Cy Young candidate.
19
(19)
9/19
34-34
3-7
 Johnny Cueto is pitching very well, but the Reds don't really have much else going for them right now in the ultra-competitive NL Central.
20
(28)
18/29
32-37
7-3
 Matt Wieters might be a great player at some point, but it looks like he might be a bit over his head right now. Give him time.
21
(22)
9/26
33-36
6-4
 Are the White Sox ready to be sellers yet? It's only a matter of time.
22
(21)
19/29
32-35
6-4
 What's wrong with the 'Stros? Hint: They score the 5th-least runs in all of baseball.
23
(18)
13/23
33-36
4-6
 Looks like the McLouth trade isn't panning out... yet. The Braves need at least one more bat if they want to legitimately compete in the NL East.
24
(27)
20/29
31-38
4-6
 Much like the Moneyball movie, the A's season is going to be on the scrap heap soon. Anyone want Matt Holliday?
25
(26)
3/26
30-38
3-7
 FREE JAKE PEAVY!!! Well... he's not free, but I'm sure if you can convince him to waive his no-trade clause, you can get him for cheap.
26
(20)
3/27
31-38
4-6
 You know why I love the Pirates? Because they keep those Pittsburgh douchebags grounded. Yeah, sure you won the Super Bowl and the Stanley Cup. But how 'bout them Pirates? Yeah...exactly.
27
(29)
20/29
29-41
4-6
 Dan Haren has an NL-best 2.23 ERA... but is only 6-4. That should tell you how bad the Diamondbacks offense is.
28
(24)
7/28
29-39
4-6
 Aside from Zack Greinke, they are a completely terrible baseball team. And even he is struggling right now. His ERA has gone up a full run in his last 4 starts, and the Royals are 0-4 in those games.
29
(25)
25/30
29-42
3-7
 I'm starting the Cliff Lee trade watch today. Day 1... Cliff Lee is on his way out. Book it. Done.
30
(30)
29/30
20-47
5-5
 In case you ever forget, just take a look at the NatsFAIL tag. And some NatsFail posts aren't even tagged. That list is not conclusive by any stretch.
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7/11/09   |   Astromike07   |   80 respect

Pat wrote:
4 games is a pretty big margin this early, actually. And the Red Sox have owned the Yankees (8-0 against them).
(Edited by Astromike07)

Uh...yea the Red Sox "widened" their 4 game lead to with in 1 game in the division.  Good call Pat.

7/3/09   |   elevenbravo138again   |   1163 respect

Pat wrote:
I don't understand how you can't recognize that the Rays are a legit threat. Their lineup is solid, and their pitching is outstanding. They're young, and will be a threat for years. Get used to it.

I will go so far as to say that the Rays remind me just a bit of Finley's A's in 1969-1970 just before they began their run, now they don't have a Reggie Jackson-type 'straw to stir the drink' yet but they have some guys who are still growing into their power and they don't quite have 'Catfish' Hunter, Vida Blue, Ken Holtzman, John "Blue Moon" Odom, Chuck Dobson and Rollie Fingers toeing the rubber but they have very promising young arms.  If this core of the team stays together they are a threat for easily the next 5 years. 

7/3/09   |   elevenbravo138again   |   1163 respect

Raider_Dave wrote:
After spending so much time being underappreciated by the league and wasting away in Pittsburgh, I doubt Bay does either.  And don't sleep on the A's just yet, their young arms are really pulling it together.  If they are still lurking within 4 or 5 games coming into the break, I think Holliday stays. 

I do love the fact that the Yankees are such a peaks and valleys team this season too, ESPN and the other media outlets are exploding on a weekly basis with all of the end of the world talk.  Should be a very interesting September out there.

I wondering when/if the Yankees will make that classic 'old school' Yankee move where they move a bunch of young talent for a slightly past his peak semi-stud and if they do who will he/they be?

6/29/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

FYI, if anyone thinks Julio Lugo is a great backup, then I'd be more than willing to work out a trade. We'll give you a bucket of baseballs to take him and his horrifically overinflated contract off our hands, thank you very much.

6/29/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

wrote:
With Tampa's cast offs we're ahead in the standings. What's the point?

not exactly household names as you stated :

and not the household name backups the other teams have.

If they are Rays castoffs they are DEFINITELY NOT household names...lol
I have a updated (June 29 2009)Computer Power Ranking that has the Rays second behind the Dodgers.....but I'm sure they are not the second best team in baseball.

You know I've put the ball in your court many times and I haven't seen it come back. I'm kinda tiring of this..suffice to say if you don't want to except the Rays as one of the top 6-8 teams in baseball that's your prerogative but the reality also is this: if the Yankees or Red Sox or Dodgers had recorded 100 HR's and 100 steals in a season earlier than any team EVER in the 110+ years of major league baseball the media outlets that fawn over the demographics of those teams would be shouting it from dusk to dawn.
Opinions are great unless they tend to make you look like a neophyte...or worse: someone who just refuses to acknowledge facts.

6/29/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

wrote:
When the season is done CC, Burnett and Pettitte will have better numbers than Kasmir,Garza and Shields. For Re3d Sox backups you forgot Lugo and Baldelli. What division does the Domincan league play in? Daske  was a super star in the WBC. Where's that getting us? The vPower rankings for teams came out Red Sox 2  Tigers3, Yanks 4 , Blue Jays 6,  Rangers 10,  and Tampa 13.  The ranking considered batting and pitching stats and was on Yahoo's MLB site. As I said before stats say what vyou want them to say. We'll see who's right at end oof the year.

Lugo and Baldelli are Rays castoffs..lol... good players but still

6/28/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

wrote:
How can you say they have depth? Aybar, Dillon Hernandez, Kapler and not the household name backups the other teams have. Now after Kasmir, hurt, Price, Ganza . Where is their depth in pitching? We knock Rivera around overselves.  Thev Yanks have cracks in their pitching, but if Kasmoir dopesn't produce or Price that won't matter.

Willy Aybar STARTED on the Domincan Republic's WBC team. He doesn't start for the Rays, but is a very valuable backup. Ben Zobrist will be in the All-Star Game because he is fourth in the AL in OPS and has started ever since Iwamura was lost for the season. Hernandez is as good as Kotteras. You kinda forgot about the Rays most consistent pitcher: James Shields. If you put Garza, Shields, Price, Niemann and Kazmir up against ALL five of the Yankees starters you would be surprised: Sabathia, Burnett, Pettite, Chamberlain, Hughes/Wang I think you would be surprised to see that the Rays group has a better ERA and more Quality Starts

6/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

wrote:
How can you say they have depth? Aybar, Dillon Hernandez, Kapler and not the household name backups the other teams have. Now after Kasmir, hurt, Price, Ganza . Where is their depth in pitching? We knock Rivera around overselves.  Thev Yanks have cracks in their pitching, but if Kasmoir dopesn't produce or Price that won't matter.

The Sox and Yankees have household names as backups? Do you consider them to be household names because you've heard of them? Because I guarantee you there are a lot of people around the country who have never heard of Mark Kotsay, Jeff Bailey, Nick Green, etc.

6/28/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

wrote:
Just like we own the Yankees this year, but I'd be stupid to rule them out as a threat. Tampa was one out from sitting out the Series. The playoff between Tampa and the Sox was great and the better team on the field won.  Stomping your feet and calling us ignorant won't change the fact the Red Sox are going to go deep into the playoffs and Tampa will be the Rockiues of vthis year watch thev Series onn TV. Good teams are in it every year bor a period of vtime like the Sox and  Ouch the Yanks.

If I ruled out the Yankees I apologize but I do see a lot more cracks in that Yankee team than I do in the Rays: The Rays have already knocked Rivera out of the GAME not once..but TWICE this season...Yes Joe Giradi had to walk out to the mound and REMOVE Rivera from the game...TWICE vs. the Rays! It'll be the Red Sox and their superior bullpen, chemistry, and Francona that will win the East but to denigrate the depth of talent that the Rays possess is just..well, I'll say it again: ignorant.

6/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

wrote:
You must be the ignorant Sox fans he's talking about. Apologizing to someone who thinks the Rays will  compete with the Yanks or Red Sox. Don't you remember the great young Colorado Rockies. Where were they the next year. It's frustrating that our answer won't be known til the end of the season. The East 1. Red Sox, 2.Yankees, 3.Toronto, 4.Tampa. This is fun, but I think it will be more fun at the end of the season.

But they're not the Rockies. The Rockies were mediocre team all year, and got hot at the end to miraculously make the playoffs. The Rays, on the other hand, were in first place nearly from wire to wire, and dominated the AL. And they're in contention with the Yankees right now, who have a payroll that is more than 3 times more than theirs.

If the Rays aren't going to contend, then please tell me why they won't. Where are their weaknesses? Just tell me that.

6/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

This is embarrassing. I apologize for the ignorance of my fellow Sox fans.

6/28/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

wrote:
No just reality. I can't contest youyr facts, but numbers only tell part of the story and they can be made to lead either way. We won't know who is right til the season plays out.  The numbers showed the Red Sox should have won last year, but we can't celebrate that. 

HOW!!!??? That's what I love about you stupid Sawx fans. I have one here in Tampa..The Rays OWNED you left and right in 2008. Face it: the 2008 Rays were BETTER than the 2008 Red Sox. Own it dude. Just OWN it...jeez

6/28/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

wrote:
I never said otherwise as I was not a part of this site. Tampa had a great year playing over their head as Colorado did. I never said they weren't a good team. I said over the long season they will be third or fourth in the East. Bad taste no. If you were on the same sports site I was I gave Tampa their due. I was disappointed as all Red Sox fans and injuries are a part of all sports so I our ace not being 100% is no excuse.  I nhate the Yanks I wish I could say we'd cbe fighting Tampoa for the East title.

So how many years will the Rays play over their heads? btw, the Rays had just as many injuries (or more when it comes to position players) as the Sawx.
The Rays sucked for 10 years: Fact.
The Rays were the best team in the American League last season: Fact.
The Rays are the earliest team in the history of the American League to reach 100 HR's  AND 100 SB's this season: Fact.
The Rays have as good a starting five in the majors and the bullpen is pitching to an ERA of 1.00 in their last 54 innings: Fact.
Why is it so hard to see facts? ..could it be the media outlets you expose yourself to?

6/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

wrote:
We can hem and Haw, but when the season is over you'll be the one getting use to it.

Ummm... I'm a Red Sox fan. I've already gotten used to it. The Rays are a good team. I think the Sox are a little better, but there's no denying that the Rays are good as well.

6/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
Pat, good call on the Cards...they brought in DeRosa...while maybe not a BIG bat..certainly an impactful offensive player. So do the Cards take the Central?

Yes. I really believe DeRosa is one of those "glue" guys, who can make the difference. They could still use some protection for Pujols, but if they stay as is and everyone stays healthy, I think they win the division.

6/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

wrote:
We shall see. I said they will fade this year and it will be the Yanks and cSox to the wire. We will see who's baseball ignorant  at the end of year.

I don't understand how you can't recognize that the Rays are a legit threat. Their lineup is solid, and their pitching is outstanding. They're young, and will be a threat for years. Get used to it.

6/28/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

wrote:
We shall see. I said they will fade this year and it will be the Yanks and cSox to the wire. We will see who's baseball ignorant  at the end of year.

Oh, so now it's they will fade this year..Why didn't you say that in the first place? Still got that bitter taste in your mouth from last year huh? Had to mention the Cinderella word and look dumb in light of this year's results so far.
Do you REALLY think the Yankees and Red Sox's rosters are better than the Rays? Not their respective resources, but the actual 40 man rosters?

6/28/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

(Edited by MarkTheShark)

Pat, good call on the Cards...they brought in DeRosa...while maybe not a BIG bat..certainly an impactful offensive player. So do the Cards take the Central?

6/28/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

wrote:
No, I just joined a month ago. Last year was like Colorado. The cinderella team who played over their heads and faded away the year after.

How have they faded away?
They lead the MAJOR LEAGUES in runs scored.
They are six games out with a record that would LEAD BOTH the other divisions in the AL.
They have WHIPPED Boston AND the Yankees time and again this season.
Just another typical IGNORANT Sawx fan that tastes the garbage that Bob Ryan regurgitates to them...do you even know that there are 29 other teams playing in the majors?

6/28/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

wrote:
It will make sense when you see Tampa fade. They don't have the offense that will hold up fopr the season .Red Sox and Yankees are powerhouses.  As I said the Yanks pitching problems who give Tampa a wild card chance.Again their are teams in the other Divisions who could burst their bubble.
(Edited by MarkTheShark)

Just curious, did you say the same thing last year?
I'm quite sure you did, as the Rays bats have been MUCH more potent than last year....exactly how can you say the Yankees lineup is better than the Rays:
Upton > Cabrera    
Bartlett > Jeter 
Zobrist > Cano
Crawford > Matsui/Gardner
Longoria > A Rod or at least =
same with Teixieira and Pena

6/27/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

wrote:

I think if anyone closes on the Sox it will be the Yankees, who will get the wild card. You don't know hard that was to say for a Sox fan. The Yanks have to much talent to fall to far behind.  Their weakness is their pitching it's not to deep  and could give Tampa a ray of hope.

(Edited by MarkTheShark)

That doesn't make sense: the Red Sox are EIGHT and OH vs the Yankees this year...meanwhile Boston has had a losing record vs the Rays since the beginning of 2008: Last season  8-10 ....ALCS  3-4 ....this season   4-6....including a 13-0 one hit BEATDOWN at the hands of Garza (the Sawx Kryptonite)...Folks I'm starting to think that this Rays offense can score on anybody, they lead the majors in runs scored...can hit homers, steal bases...if the bullpen continues to tighten it will be another September race between the Rays and Sawx

6/27/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

Pat wrote:
Since it's at 4 and it's not even the All Star break, they're on pace to extend it to 8. Give it time.
(Edited by MarkTheShark)

While I think the Red Sox will eventually win the East...eight game leads are out of the question: the Rays will continue to play at a .700 clip and eventually close on the Red Sox.
You , Pat should know...this is the freaking AL East...any of the top 4 teams could be leading every division in baseball except maybe the NL West..and heck even Baltimore beats teams outside of the East the majority of the time.

6/27/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

Astromike07 wrote:
Ehh....When they extend their lead to about 8 games I will be more convinced.  I am NOT a Yankees fan either,  just being real.  And as far as the Red Sox owning the Yankees....well that may be,  but obviously they play many more teams then just each other.  Seems like they play each other all the time tho lol.

Since it's at 4 and it's not even the All Star break, they're on pace to extend it to 8. Give it time.

6/27/09   |   Astromike07   |   80 respect

Pat wrote:
4 games is a pretty big margin this early, actually. And the Red Sox have owned the Yankees (8-0 against them).

Ehh....When they extend their lead to about 8 games I will be more convinced.  I am NOT a Yankees fan either,  just being real.  And as far as the Red Sox owning the Yankees....well that may be,  but obviously they play many more teams then just each other.  Seems like they play each other all the time tho lol.

6/27/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

Astromike07 wrote:
I dont know if I agree at this point in time (6-27) as far as the Red Sox.  The Yankees (as much as I hate em) are still nipping at their heels (red sox  45-28,  yanks 41-32).   There is still plenty of time left, and the Sox lead in the division isn't that great.  So...I coulnt really say the Red Sox are running away with the division just yet.

4 games is a pretty big margin this early, actually. And the Red Sox have owned the Yankees (8-0 against them).

6/27/09   |   Astromike07   |   80 respect

(Edited by Astromike07)

I dont know if I agree at this point in time (6-27) as far as the Red Sox.  The Yankees (as much as I hate em) are still nipping at their heels (red sox  45-28,  yanks 41-32).   There is still plenty of time left, and the Sox lead in the division isn't that great.  So...I coulnt really say the Red Sox are running away with the division just yet.

6/26/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

drn0iswatr wrote:
 I agree - it seems since Hamilton went on the DL they have basically tucked their tail b/n their legs and called it a day.

Hopefully Vizquel setting the all time hits record for a Venezulan born player and winning that game last night in 12 innings is the spark they are needing. I live in AZ, so it was great to see the Rangers take 2 of 3 from the D-Backs.

Also, Davis finally got something going last night, getting his avg over the mendoza line and hitting that HR. Hopefully that puts him on a little roll too. And how big was that HR from Murphy! Won the game for them.

6/26/09   |   drn0iswatr   |   731 respect

BluDevil wrote:
Yeah, and then the throw back to the picher gets away and a run scores? Clearly the ump raised his hand, signalling time was called.. but whatever.

My real point is how come Washington didn't come out and fight that call so hard that he got tossed out of the game? The Rangers need a spark right now, Washington had a perfect chance to get it right there and instead it was all "Ho hum, we lost again, we're the Rangers, we suck, we'll just go home now".

I mean, come on! Can't this team show some fight?

 I agree - it seems since Hamilton went on the DL they have basically tucked their tail b/n their legs and called it a day.

6/26/09   |   MIKELIN8   |   1388 respect

Pat wrote:
Yeah, I'm biased as well. I have no problem admitting it. But I also honestly think that if the Sox and Dodgers played a 7 game series right now, the Sox would win.

Thanks for acknowledging my point...many would have argued that they were being unbiased, and basing their rankings on cold, immutable numbers. It is refreshing to have you admit that you are a fan!

6/26/09   |   roseameede

Mavlous it is well for the York Yankees if they win

6/26/09   |   arielsullivan

to the New York Yankees: Win one for the gipper!

6/25/09   |   arv3403   |   20 respect

Pat wrote:
The teams that they passed all had crappy weeks, and the Tigers basically held steady. The Angels are the only team that they passed who had a winning record in the past 10 games, but they had lost 3 straight, and I wanted to keep the Rangers ahead of them for one last week, because I have a feeling that's the last time the Rangers will be leading them this season, record-wise.

 thanks for the reply!

6/25/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

MIKELIN8 wrote:
Oh, Pat...I didn't know you are from Cape Cod...now I understand...

Yeah, I'm biased as well. I have no problem admitting it. But I also honestly think that if the Sox and Dodgers played a 7 game series right now, the Sox would win.

6/25/09   |   MIKELIN8   |   1388 respect

Oh, Pat...I didn't know you are from Cape Cod...now I understand...

6/25/09   |   MIKELIN8   |   1388 respect

Pat wrote:
June 10, actually, which was a loss to the mighty San Diego Padres. And they have played 36 games so far against division opponents, and have gone 26-10 against those teams. At the time of these rankings, that would make them 20-14 against the rest of the league... which is solid, but not dominant by any stretch. Their lead over the rest of the league has been cut in half in the past 3 weeks, when they haven't had many division opponents.

So, they have won three straight series against "superior" competition (I'm assuming that's your point), they remain the best record in Baseball, and they go down a place because you have been dazzled by the Red Sox?  Might you think that the rest of the division (NL West) is doing better (Rox and Giants in the top 10) because they are NOT playing the Dodgers? 

6/25/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

MIKELIN8 wrote:
Hey Pat, when is the last time the Dodgers played a team from the "weak" NL West?

June 10, actually, which was a loss to the mighty San Diego Padres. And they have played 36 games so far against division opponents, and have gone 26-10 against those teams. At the time of these rankings, that would make them 20-14 against the rest of the league... which is solid, but not dominant by any stretch. Their lead over the rest of the league has been cut in half in the past 3 weeks, when they haven't had many division opponents.

6/24/09   |   MIKELIN8   |   1388 respect

Hey Pat, when is the last time the Dodgers played a team from the "weak" NL West?

6/24/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

drn0iswatr wrote:
 hopefully you didn't have to watch last night....they are killing me. 5 straight...ouch.

Yeah, and then the throw back to the picher gets away and a run scores? Clearly the ump raised his hand, signalling time was called.. but whatever.

My real point is how come Washington didn't come out and fight that call so hard that he got tossed out of the game? The Rangers need a spark right now, Washington had a perfect chance to get it right there and instead it was all "Ho hum, we lost again, we're the Rangers, we suck, we'll just go home now".

I mean, come on! Can't this team show some fight?

6/24/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

arv3403 wrote:
 I guess pat if I had one question on this list, it would be why did the tigers climb so high this week, given their 5-5 record, they do have some fantastic pitching, but they really do have a problem with the galaraga spot, not to mention their lineup has quieted down recently. I like them as a team for the stretch, and I feel like their bull pen can pick up too, its just I didn't see anything fantastic from them this week. Just curious on your thoughts.

The teams that they passed all had crappy weeks, and the Tigers basically held steady. The Angels are the only team that they passed who had a winning record in the past 10 games, but they had lost 3 straight, and I wanted to keep the Rangers ahead of them for one last week, because I have a feeling that's the last time the Rangers will be leading them this season, record-wise.

6/24/09   |   drn0iswatr   |   731 respect

BluDevil wrote:
Got that right, three straight 1 run losses. I knew that would hurt the Rangers in the rankings but I didn't expect they'd drop to 11th.

Oh well, at least the Rangers are in AZ now so I get to see the games!

 hopefully you didn't have to watch last night....they are killing me. 5 straight...ouch.

6/23/09   |   arv3403   |   20 respect

(Edited by arv3403)

 I guess pat if I had one question on this list, it would be why did the tigers climb so high this week, given their 5-5 record, they do have some fantastic pitching, but they really do have a problem with the galaraga spot, not to mention their lineup has quieted down recently. I like them as a team for the stretch, and I feel like their bull pen can pick up too, its just I didn't see anything fantastic from them this week. Just curious on your thoughts.

6/23/09   |   arv3403   |   20 respect

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 Wow this is pretty funny. A 12 year old rookie chump comes out of the bushes and tries to tell me something. 

 wow, this post blows my mind. Like, *sigh. There is so much fail here, I, I, I'm speechless.

6/23/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

drn0iswatr wrote:
they sure can brutalize the AL West....insert expletive about getting swept by the Giants over the weekend...stupid rangers....

Got that right, three straight 1 run losses. I knew that would hurt the Rangers in the rankings but I didn't expect they'd drop to 11th.

Oh well, at least the Rangers are in AZ now so I get to see the games!

6/23/09   |   twins_10m   |   34 respect

Good job twins just stay above .500 and keep in this would u.

6/23/09   |   ChargerJim   |   80 respect

I would give anything for the biggest problem in my life to be where Pat has my team ranked.

6/23/09   |   TonyBaronie

Joey Votto is finally coming of the DL which is a great thing for the Reds.

6/23/09   |   ojlulu

 N Yourk yankees my friend.

6/23/09   |   tpowell25   |   1627 respect

To give everyone an idea of how "all pitching and no hitting" the Braves are, check this out:

As of Sunday, they are 29-7 when scoring 4 runs or more, and they are 3-29 when scoring 3 runs or less.

The worst part of that?  They've scored 3 runs or less 32 times.  Ouch.

6/23/09   |   tpowell25   |   1627 respect

You might have the Braves slightly higher than I would.  The only thing keeping them afloat right now is their pitching.  Pitching has been outstanding as a whole so far.  But the hitting is atrocious.

We're about to find out how much mettle the Braves have.  They have a brutal stretch of games coming up (vs NYY, BOS, and PHI).  They are about to get blasted out of the water and the season will potentially be over, or they will play some good ball and (hopefully) finish over .500 after this stretch.  Which (in my own fantasy world) will light a spark under their butt and they will go on a tear.

Some might laugh at the "go on a tear" statement.  But if their bats will wake up and pretend to know how to hit, the pitching is strong enough to carry this team into a win streak.  That's a big if (and extreme homerism).

6/23/09   |   drn0iswatr   |   731 respect

Pat wrote:
They crack my top 10 because right now, they're playing well, and my Power Rankings emphasize the "right now". But they're not 3 of the best 10 teams overall. Do you honestly think that the Giants or Rockies could compete in the AL East?

they sure can brutalize the AL West....insert expletive about getting swept by the Giants over the weekend...stupid rangers....

6/23/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

radiowave000 wrote:
AL East team dropped 2 of 3 to the Nationals..and you want to brag about how much better the division is than the NL West????  

Yeah, you're right. Three games between two teams are a great indicator of the entire season. Forget the other 66 games, and forget the other 9 teams in both divisions. Lets look at those 3 games, and base our entire opinion on that.

6/23/09   |   MCnine   |   7 respect

After seeing the Phils this week-end (albeit without Lidge, Raúl Ibañez, and Ryan Howard), it's tough to see them as the 13th best team in MLB. Not so much because they got swept by the O's, but because we swept them at CBP. The O's hadn't had a road sweep in years, and the Phils home record is abysmal- something sure to hurt them in the post season

6/23/09   |   radiowave000   |   145 respect

AL East team dropped 2 of 3 to the Nationals..and you want to brag about how much better the division is than the NL West????  

6/23/09   |   Heyhey1970   |   194 respect

I think the Cubs are about where they should be, but the Yankees and Rays will be higher before it's over.

6/23/09   |   ary201   |   213 respect

lavabuster wrote:
Anyways, my mariners are at 16.......and honestly im happy with that, but i think we should just go for it...all we need is an offensive behemoth, or at least someone that will help our run production and we may be competing with the angels for number 1, after all our pitching has the second lowest era in baseball..

M's have some good pitching, but much of it is smoke and mirrors. And offensive behemoth's aren't so easy to come by. If they trade some parts to contenders now, they can keep their young nucleus intact while building for the future.

Try and trade Bedard, Beltre, Washburn and Sweeney. re-sign Felix, keep Aardsma, Morrow, and Branyan.

6/23/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

Pat wrote:
They crack my top 10 because right now, they're playing well, and my Power Rankings emphasize the "right now". But they're not 3 of the best 10 teams overall. Do you honestly think that the Giants or Rockies could compete in the AL East?

No. Jason Hammel has been in the Rox rotation for two months now...the Rays traded him to the Rockies as he had no place with them.

6/23/09   |   Raider_Dave   |   47 respect

Pat wrote:
I definitely have no complaints about Jason Bay, that's for sure.

After spending so much time being underappreciated by the league and wasting away in Pittsburgh, I doubt Bay does either.  And don't sleep on the A's just yet, their young arms are really pulling it together.  If they are still lurking within 4 or 5 games coming into the break, I think Holliday stays. 

I do love the fact that the Yankees are such a peaks and valleys team this season too, ESPN and the other media outlets are exploding on a weekly basis with all of the end of the world talk.  Should be a very interesting September out there.

6/23/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
Good lookin out on Josh Johnson...well this'll probably piss off Nima too: Right now he IS the NL's Cy Young award winner

Anything other than "The Giants are the best team in baseball and Tim Lincecum is the best pitcher ever to walk the face of the planet" pisses him off.

6/23/09   |   Raider_Dave   |   47 respect

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 Save your breath. You're talking to an insolent fool.

No one is asking you to read this, and Pat is trying to generate intelligent discussion by posting this.  Save the negativity man, and if you disagree, say so in a polite and respectful manner.

6/23/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

Raider_Dave wrote:

Honestly, I don't think the Giants or Rockies could compete in many other divisions in the league over the long haul of the season.  However, they are tearing through many different teams currently, so they are showing they can play, at least in stretches.  I personally can't discount either team at the moment with the way those teams are playing, and when or if they begin to sputter, I won't be surprised.  But that part does need to happen first.

I do think the AL West is continuing to improve, when 3 out of the 4 teams in the division really have no business even hanging around .500 at the All-Star break, but they are.  I'm also interested to see how the Rays and Jays hold up in the AL East, but so far it does still look like the Dodgers and Red Sox are poised to meet at the end of October.  Kind of funny how they will inevitably be linked by the Manny trade as long as he is still playing.  Seems to be a trade that is doing well for both sides, despite the 50-game suspension. 

I definitely have no complaints about Jason Bay, that's for sure.

6/23/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

Good lookin out on Josh Johnson...well this'll probably piss off Nima too: Right now he IS the NL's Cy Young award winner

6/23/09   |   Raider_Dave   |   47 respect

Pat wrote:
They crack my top 10 because right now, they're playing well, and my Power Rankings emphasize the "right now". But they're not 3 of the best 10 teams overall. Do you honestly think that the Giants or Rockies could compete in the AL East?

Honestly, I don't think the Giants or Rockies could compete in many other divisions in the league over the long haul of the season.  However, they are tearing through many different teams currently, so they are showing they can play, at least in stretches.  I personally can't discount either team at the moment with the way those teams are playing, and when or if they begin to sputter, I won't be surprised.  But that part does need to happen first.

I do think the AL West is continuing to improve, when 3 out of the 4 teams in the division really have no business even hanging around .500 at the All-Star break, but they are.  I'm also interested to see how the Rays and Jays hold up in the AL East, but so far it does still look like the Dodgers and Red Sox are poised to meet at the end of October.  Kind of funny how they will inevitably be linked by the Manny trade as long as he is still playing.  Seems to be a trade that is doing well for both sides, despite the 50-game suspension. 

6/23/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

MarkTheShark wrote:
While I don't always agree with Pat either...Are you mad about the Giants slotted 10th? Where exactly should they be?

According to his vote on the poll, they should be at #1. And the Red Sox should be #30, and the Dodgers should be #29. In other words, his opinion is worth slightly less than that of a moderately intelligent pebble.

6/23/09   |   MarkTheShark   |   590 respect

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 You're a joke Pat. I don't know when you're gonna realize you don't know $hit about MLB. Your rankings are a disgrace and your affirmations about how bad of a team the Giants were going to be this year says it all.

Stop pissing me off with your nonsense.

While I don't always agree with Pat either...Are you mad about the Giants slotted 10th? Where exactly should they be?

6/23/09   |   lilkeithw   |   3 respect

I wouldn't say the Mets are choking early.  Their team has been decimated by injuries...Delgado, Reyes, Putz, and now Beltran all are on the DL and yet they are only 1.5 back of the defending world champs who with the addition of Ibanez are a better team than last years "on paper"

6/23/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

Raider_Dave wrote:
Sure the NL West is weak on paper, but the game isn't played on paper and 3 of the teams from that division do crack your Top 10.  I think it's time to get away from that excuse for the time being, since the Giants, Dodgers, and Rockies are currently playing pretty well against the rest of the league.

They crack my top 10 because right now, they're playing well, and my Power Rankings emphasize the "right now". But they're not 3 of the best 10 teams overall. Do you honestly think that the Giants or Rockies could compete in the AL East?

6/23/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 You're a joke Pat. I don't know when you're gonna realize you don't know $hit about MLB. Your rankings are a disgrace and your affirmations about how bad of a team the Giants were going to be this year says it all.

Stop pissing me off with your nonsense.

The Giants are a few games over .500 in a division with some AWFUL teams. If you want to give your opinion, read the paragraphs above the rankings. I started that with you in mind, to be honest, and you're one of the ones who apparently don't care enough to change anything.

If I were you, I'd be happy that the Giants are even at #10, and that the "notes" section was complimentary. They're still not that good of a team at all.

6/23/09   |   bayareabeast21   |   350 respect

Raider_Dave wrote:
Sure the NL West is weak on paper, but the game isn't played on paper and 3 of the teams from that division do crack your Top 10.  I think it's time to get away from that excuse for the time being, since the Giants, Dodgers, and Rockies are currently playing pretty well against the rest of the league.

 Save your breath. You're talking to an insolent fool.

6/23/09   |   Raider_Dave   |   47 respect

Sure the NL West is weak on paper, but the game isn't played on paper and 3 of the teams from that division do crack your Top 10.  I think it's time to get away from that excuse for the time being, since the Giants, Dodgers, and Rockies are currently playing pretty well against the rest of the league.

6/23/09   |   bayareabeast21   |   350 respect

lavabuster wrote:
If you don't like his ranking then don't look at 'em, or better yet...make your own so I can laugh when you put your Giants at no 1......

 Wow this is pretty funny. A 12 year old rookie chump comes out of the bushes and tries to tell me something. 

6/23/09   |   lavabuster   |   30 respect

Anyways, my mariners are at 16.......and honestly im happy with that, but i think we should just go for it...all we need is an offensive behemoth, or at least someone that will help our run production and we may be competing with the angels for number 1, after all our pitching has the second lowest era in baseball..

6/23/09   |   lavabuster   |   30 respect

bayareabeast21 wrote:
 You're a joke Pat. I don't know when you're gonna realize you don't know $hit about MLB. Your rankings are a disgrace and your affirmations about how bad of a team the Giants were going to be this year says it all.

Stop pissing me off with your nonsense.

If you don't like his ranking then don't look at 'em, or better yet...make your own so I can laugh when you put your Giants at no 1......

6/23/09   |   LakerMike   |   2 respect

The Dodgers are doing this WITHOUT the biggest piece of their offense. When they get Manny back they should be a lock to be back on top!

6/23/09   |   bayareabeast21   |   350 respect

 You're a joke Pat. I don't know when you're gonna realize you don't know $hit about MLB. Your rankings are a disgrace and your affirmations about how bad of a team the Giants were going to be this year says it all.

Stop pissing me off with your nonsense.