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2/6/08
McNamee Claims to Have Physical Evidence on Clemens. Clemens Is Officially Screwed.
The bell tolls for thee, Roger Clemens.

The New York Daily News is reporting today that Brian McNamee has physical evidence that Roger Clemens used performance-enhancing drugs. Considering Clemens just got done yesterday giving a deposition - under oath - to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, he better hope that physical evidence doesn't prove to show anything.

Otherwise, Clemens is officially going to fall into Barry Bonds territory - as in getting charged with perjury.

But in Bonds's case, there's basically only circumstantial evidence to nail him to the perjury charge.

However, with Clemens having given 5 hours of sworn deposition yesterday denying ever using anything, if McNamee's evidence pans out, we might as well just put Clemens in cuffs.

McNamee gave the Justice Department's BALCO investigators vials with traces of steroids and growth hormone, as well as blood-stained syringes and gauze pads that may contain the Rocket's DNA.

I'm not sure why in God's name McNamee would have hung onto syringes, but if he actually did, then he's smarter than us all - provided there's some steroid residue in there. Otherwise, it'll match Clemens's tale that he just got injected with Lidocaine and B12.

McNamee plans to discuss the evidence with the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform tomorrow, when he is interviewed by the panel's attorneys in preparation for next Wednesday's congressional hearing on the challenges Clemens raised about the Mitchell Report.

McNamee seemingly has no rational reason to make this up, since he's facing jail time himself if he's lying. But one should probably ask why didn't he bring this evidence out earlier?

Regardless, I don't think McNamee's lying. And I think we're finally going to have real proof that Clemens was a full-fledged, official member of the Steroid Era.

Couldn't happen to a better guy.
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Monica Lewinsky thinks that Brian McNamee is weird and gross.
 
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He would've been a whole lot better off saying he made a mistake that he regrets.  Eventually we all would've swept it under the rug for him, instead of him trying to do it and digger an even larger hole for himself.
 
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Even if he has syringes with Clemens's DNA and steroid residue, how would you prove there were steroids in it when used on Clemens? If you drink coffee from a mug and then I pour whiskey into it after you use it, just because your prints are on the mug doesn't prove you downed the whiskey.

 

I believe Clemens probably did use performance enhancers, but I don't see how this would prove it.

 
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This is simple. If they only find traces of steroids in the syringe, then Clemens was getting injected with steroids. Period.

I mean, if that's all they find in the syringe, what else would he have been getting injected with, air?
 
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100%InjuryRate wrote:
This is simple. If they only find traces of steroids in the syringe, then Clemens was getting injected with steroids. Period.

I mean, if that's all they find in the syringe, what else would he have been getting injected with, air?
This kind of evidence would never hold up in a court of law unless it it could be proven that none of the items in question had been contaminated between then and now. How was everything stored?

And also, why the hell didn't he give this stuff to the Feds during the summer when they were first questioning him? If part of his deal with them was to talk to Mitchell and to give Mitchell and the Feds everything he knows in this case (information and, I would assume, otherwise), then wouldn't this be a breach of that deal? Withholding evidence?

I'm not saying this make Clemens guilty or innocent. It's a smoking gun, for sure, but I need to see some fire (ie. positive DNA tests... or hell, even just someone to corroborate the damn story... which perhaps Pettitte will do/has done). But McNamee sure is doing a good job of creeping me out. That is so not sanitary to keep stuff like that lying around.
 
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RenegadeLG wrote:
You missed the point entirely.  Who's to say steroids weren't placed in the syringe after the fact?  Not likely, but not impossible - and thus not at all incriminating.
No, you're missing the point entirely. The only way that steroids would be placed into the syringe after the fact would be if Clemens was injected with B-12, then McNamee cleaned out the syringe, then put in steroids.

Just think about that for a second. That's beyond conspiracy theory-ish.

At best, Clemens better hope there are trace elements of both in there. That's the only thing that would help him. If it's straight steroids in the syringe with his blood on there, he's done man. DONE.
 
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100%InjuryRate wrote:
No, you're missing the point entirely. The only way that steroids would be placed into the syringe after the fact would be if Clemens was injected with B-12, then McNamee cleaned out the syringe, then put in steroids.

Just think about that for a second. That's beyond conspiracy theory-ish.

At best, Clemens better hope there are trace elements of both in there. That's the only thing that would help him. If it's straight steroids in the syringe with his blood on there, he's done man. DONE.
Now that is kind of funny! You are dismissing the possibility of the syringe being cleaned out and sterilized and steroids being put in after the fact as "beyond conspiracy theory-ish", yet you accept that the guy kept Clemens's blood on gauze and syringes for 7 years as perfectly normal and unquestionable.
 
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OJ DID IT!!!
 
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ISUMatt wrote:
OJ DID IT!!!
No he didn't but he is going to find out who really did. First place he will look... Golf Courses.
 
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OH BOY, here comes the SMEAR campaign led in full force by Clemens Lawyer, claiming this is just like the Duke LAX case
 
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Buttons wrote:

You do realize of course, if the needle were sterilized and the contents replaced with steroids, hgh, heroin, whatever, that any and all remnants of Clemens' DNA would be removed in the sterilization process, right? 

 

I'm not defending Clemens, but the evidence is shaky at best, and to "plant" steroids in the syringe would be nearly impossible without the evidence being comprimised, and that being detected during the forensic testing.  This whole situation is getting carried away.  Just think if Clemens had just said "I did it and I'm sorry," we'd have forgotten it by now.  I guess asking for accountability from athletes is a bit much nowadays. 

 

****Sorry this was supposed to be a reply to IlliniBob72's comment above ISUMatt's...my bad, this entire comment can now be ignored as it is evidence of incompetence.****

You very well could be right. If you ask my wife, I can't even wash a coffee mug, so I sure as hell don't know how to sterilize a syringe. I was thinking that you could sterilize the inside of the syringe while not disturbing any blood or DNA on the needle. Maybe that is impossible though.
 
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I was speaking to someone about this earlier today who is in the medial profession. I was wondering why the heck someone would keep this stuff in a medical waste box in their basement for 7 or 8 years. To summarize, if one has medical waste that they need to dispose of, you have to be registered to get rid of it in a proper way. It's not the easiest thing to get registered, especially if you are just a trainer, as was the case with McNamee.
 
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RenegadeLG wrote:
But it's just syringes and gauze.  Even if it's illegal to do so, a normal joe is throwing it in the trash.  Think the FBI is going through every garbage can in the country?  Beyond that, McNamee probably was registered for disposal as a big part of his job is injecting people with various substances.
I'm not sure McNamee was actually a licensed medical trainer. I've heard conflicting reports.

But you are right, the average guy is just going to throw that stuff out. This whole situation is just bizarre!
 
 
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