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8/27/09
Mel Kiper's Early Big Board For 2010 NFL Draft
Mel Kiper Has Posted His Early Big Board, And Tim Tebow Is Thankfully Nowhere To Be Seen
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Mel Kiper has announced his initial top 25 for his "Big Board". These are the guys who he would take with the top 25 picks, if the 2010 NFL Draft were to be held today.

There are a couple no-brainers, including the #1 pick, last year's Heisman Trophy winner Sam Bradford. Tennessee safety Eric Berry is #2 on the list, and obviously the first defensive player.

There are 13 defensive players and 12 offensive players. Defensive lineman were represented well, with 8 of the 25 players being defensive ends or defensive tackles.

The Oklahoma Sooners led the way with 4 players. Florida, Mississippi, Oklahoma State, USC and Texas each had 2 players, and no other team had more than 1.

One possibly controversial omission is that of Florida QB Tim Tebow. He won a Heisman in his sophomore year, led the Gators to the National Championship in his junior year, and is arguably the best college football player ever. He doesn't make Kiper's list, however, mostly because he does not appear to be a solid pro-style QQB prospect, and may even end up at a different position once he gets to the NFL.

Here's the list, which you can also see over at ESPN's website, if you have an insider subscription:

1. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2. Eric Berry, DB, Tennessee
3. Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
4. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
5. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
6. Taylor Mays, DB, USC
7. Jevan Snead, QB, Mississippi
8. Dez Bryant. WR, Oklahoma State
9. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
10. Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois
11. Colt McCoy, QB, Texas
12. Arthur Jones, DT, Syracuse
13. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech
14. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
15. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
16. Greg Hardy, DE, Mississippi
17. Brandon Spikes, LB, Florida
18. Jerry Hughes, DE, TCU
19. Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama
20. Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri
21. Jahvid Best, RB, California
22. Damian Williams, WR, USC
23. Sergio Kindle, LB, Texas
24. Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
25. Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan

Let us know what you think of these initial rankings. Do you think someone was snubbed? Is someone ranked way too high? Would you have swapped some of these players? What do you think?
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8/27/09
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(Edited by 100%InjuryRate)
This list is missing Michael Crabtree.

/shakes head in disgust

8/27/09
3
I want to see as much Dez Bryant as I can this year, because I hope he'll be far enough down in the 1st round so the Bears can take him.   They need that tall, powerful guy who can go get the ball.

8/27/09
4
i do think its a bit to early to be ranking people..but thats just me

8/27/09
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(Edited by 100%InjuryRate)
This list is missing Michael Crabtree.

/shakes head in disgust

8/27/09
4
Suh will be a better pro than McCoy....but I guess you can call it a coin flip, seems that's what Kiper did.

8/27/09
4
100%InjuryRate wrote:
This list is missing Michael Crabtree.

/shakes head in disgust
 Crabtree got drafted by the 49ers. Why would he be on this list?

8/27/09
1
VoodooChild1970 wrote:
 Crabtree got drafted by the 49ers. Why would he be on this list?
Because there were rumors about him not signing with the 49ers, and re-entering the Draft in 2010.

8/27/09
4
MarkTheShark wrote:
Suh will be a better pro than McCoy....but I guess you can call it a coin flip, seems that's what Kiper did.
I don't know, McCoy is unblockable by a single guy. He always demands double teams. Also, I am a homer.

8/27/09
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Pat wrote:
Because there were rumors about him not signing with the 49ers, and re-entering the Draft in 2010.
He is going to be a big drama queen.

8/27/09
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
I don't know, McCoy is unblockable by a single guy. He always demands double teams. Also, I am a homer.
Same with Suh...it will depend on what systems and the coaching they get..I just like what I see from Suh.....although he could be more of an injury liability than McCoy.

8/27/09
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MarkTheShark wrote:
Same with Suh...it will depend on what systems and the coaching they get..I just like what I see from Suh.....although he could be more of an injury liability than McCoy.
Very true, those guys are both amazing DT's. OU's defense will be loaded this year. 9 more days...

8/27/09
7
Mel Krapper Jr is a joke. How he still gets paid I will never understand. 

8/27/09
2
1     Lions Carlos Dunlap Florida DE
2     Rams Sam Bradford Oklahoma QB
3     Browns Eric Berry Tennesee FS
4     Raiders Gerald McCoy Oklahoma DT
5     Broncos Brandon Spikes Florida MLB
6     49'ers Taylor Mays USC SS
7     Dolphins Joe Haden Florida CB
8     Bucs Russell Okung Oklahoma State OT
9     Packers Arrelious Benn Illinios WR
10     Bengals C.J Spiller Clemson HB
11     Billls Jermaine Gressham Oklahoma TE
12     Panthers Jevon Snead Ole Miss QB
13     Jets Trevard Lindley Kentucky CB
14     Cheifs Bryan Bulaga Iowa OT
15     Titans Ndamukong Suh Nebraska DT
16     Saints Daryl Washington TCU MLB
17     Redskins Terrence Cody Alabama DT
18     Texans Rashard Jones Georgia FS
19     Cowboys Brandon Lafell LSU WR
20     Seahawks Chris Brown Oklahoma HB
21     Vikings Ahmad Black Florida FS
22     Cardinals Tim Tebow Florida QB
23     Colts Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame QB
24     Giants Kris O'Dowd USC C
25     Steelers Brandon Graham Michigan DE
26     Eagles Damion Williams USC WR
27     Jaguars Golden Tate Notre Dame WR
28     Chargers Dez Bryant Oklahoma State WR
29     Falcons George Selvie South Florida DE
30     Ravens Geno Atkins Georgia DT
31     Broncos (Bears) Colt McCoy Texas QB
32     Patriots Ciron Black LSU OT

8/27/09
2
we should wait for like the 4th week of the season and see where everyone is at....and start placing them

8/27/09
4
Mel Kiper's Hair has been know to give small Children Nightmares......and well some adults also.
if his "Big Board" was ever knocked over - i think he would have a heart attack.

8/27/09
3
 Pat, I hope the world wide leader in SMUG doesn't come down to hard on you for posting something public from their insider page.

8/27/09
1
johnshirey54 wrote:
1     Lions Carlos Dunlap Florida DE
2     Rams Sam Bradford Oklahoma QB
3     Browns Eric Berry Tennesee FS
4     Raiders Gerald McCoy Oklahoma DT
5     Broncos Brandon Spikes Florida MLB
6     49'ers Taylor Mays USC SS
7     Dolphins Joe Haden Florida CB
8     Bucs Russell Okung Oklahoma State OT
9     Packers Arrelious Benn Illinios WR
10     Bengals C.J Spiller Clemson HB
11     Billls Jermaine Gressham Oklahoma TE
12     Panthers Jevon Snead Ole Miss QB
13     Jets Trevard Lindley Kentucky CB
14     Cheifs Bryan Bulaga Iowa OT
15     Titans Ndamukong Suh Nebraska DT
16     Saints Daryl Washington TCU MLB
17     Redskins Terrence Cody Alabama DT
18     Texans Rashard Jones Georgia FS
19     Cowboys Brandon Lafell LSU WR
20     Seahawks Chris Brown Oklahoma HB
21     Vikings Ahmad Black Florida FS
22     Cardinals Tim Tebow Florida QB
23     Colts Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame QB
24     Giants Kris O'Dowd USC C
25     Steelers Brandon Graham Michigan DE
26     Eagles Damion Williams USC WR
27     Jaguars Golden Tate Notre Dame WR
28     Chargers Dez Bryant Oklahoma State WR
29     Falcons George Selvie South Florida DE
30     Ravens Geno Atkins Georgia DT
31     Broncos (Bears) Colt McCoy Texas QB
32     Patriots Ciron Black LSU OT

A few observations:

1. The Dolphins just spent their first pick on CB Vontae Davis, so I doubt they'd drop another top-10 pick at that position. Plus, 7th overall seems a little low for them this year.

2. The Packers have Greg Jennings, a Pro Bowl WR, plus a still-effective Donald Driver and a nice prospect in James Jones, so Benn is a bit of a reach.

3. Unless he gets injured or is very underwhelming, Suh will go higher than 15th. Look at how Tyson Jackson flew up boards this year.

4. Dez Bryant is definitely going to go higher than 28th overall, though I think the Chargers could very well be in the market for a WR, especially if they let Chambers walk in the offseason.

5. MAYBE the Colts reach for a backup QB, but I doubt it. Manning isn't slowing down and has been bulletproof throughout his career. They especially wouldn't go for Clausen, who would have to have a huge season AND leave early to go this high.

6. The Eagles spent their top picks in the last two drafts on wideouts (Jackson and Maclin). No way do they pick a third straight wideout.

I do love Spiller to the Bengals at 10, Gresham to the Bills at 11, and Snead to the Panthers at 12. I also like the Seahawks picking a RB, but they might be able to get someone better than Brown.

8/27/09
1
johnshirey54 wrote:
1     Lions Carlos Dunlap Florida DE
2     Rams Sam Bradford Oklahoma QB
3     Browns Eric Berry Tennesee FS
4     Raiders Gerald McCoy Oklahoma DT
5     Broncos Brandon Spikes Florida MLB
6     49'ers Taylor Mays USC SS
7     Dolphins Joe Haden Florida CB
8     Bucs Russell Okung Oklahoma State OT
9     Packers Arrelious Benn Illinios WR
10     Bengals C.J Spiller Clemson HB
11     Billls Jermaine Gressham Oklahoma TE
12     Panthers Jevon Snead Ole Miss QB
13     Jets Trevard Lindley Kentucky CB
14     Cheifs Bryan Bulaga Iowa OT
15     Titans Ndamukong Suh Nebraska DT
16     Saints Daryl Washington TCU MLB
17     Redskins Terrence Cody Alabama DT
18     Texans Rashard Jones Georgia FS
19     Cowboys Brandon Lafell LSU WR
20     Seahawks Chris Brown Oklahoma HB
21     Vikings Ahmad Black Florida FS
22     Cardinals Tim Tebow Florida QB
23     Colts Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame QB
24     Giants Kris O'Dowd USC C
25     Steelers Brandon Graham Michigan DE
26     Eagles Damion Williams USC WR
27     Jaguars Golden Tate Notre Dame WR
28     Chargers Dez Bryant Oklahoma State WR
29     Falcons George Selvie South Florida DE
30     Ravens Geno Atkins Georgia DT
31     Broncos (Bears) Colt McCoy Texas QB
32     Patriots Ciron Black LSU OT
Not a bad attempt at predicting next years draft and draft order ...Seattle will have 2 first rounders they acquired Denver's. Also where is the love for Boise St. corner Kyle Wilson. Most people have him as the second best DB in all of college behind USC safety Taylor Mays.

8/27/09
1
Oops... thanks for your list John... you just reminded me that the Bears will not be getting Dez Bryant, because the Broncos have their first round pick next year.  Good stuff. 

8/27/09
1
johnshirey54 wrote:
1     Lions Carlos Dunlap Florida DE
2     Rams Sam Bradford Oklahoma QB
3     Browns Eric Berry Tennesee FS
4     Raiders Gerald McCoy Oklahoma DT
5     Broncos Brandon Spikes Florida MLB
6     49'ers Taylor Mays USC SS
7     Dolphins Joe Haden Florida CB
8     Bucs Russell Okung Oklahoma State OT
9     Packers Arrelious Benn Illinios WR
10     Bengals C.J Spiller Clemson HB
11     Billls Jermaine Gressham Oklahoma TE
12     Panthers Jevon Snead Ole Miss QB
13     Jets Trevard Lindley Kentucky CB
14     Cheifs Bryan Bulaga Iowa OT
15     Titans Ndamukong Suh Nebraska DT
16     Saints Daryl Washington TCU MLB
17     Redskins Terrence Cody Alabama DT
18     Texans Rashard Jones Georgia FS
19     Cowboys Brandon Lafell LSU WR
20     Seahawks Chris Brown Oklahoma HB
21     Vikings Ahmad Black Florida FS
22     Cardinals Tim Tebow Florida QB
23     Colts Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame QB
24     Giants Kris O'Dowd USC C
25     Steelers Brandon Graham Michigan DE
26     Eagles Damion Williams USC WR
27     Jaguars Golden Tate Notre Dame WR
28     Chargers Dez Bryant Oklahoma State WR
29     Falcons George Selvie South Florida DE
30     Ravens Geno Atkins Georgia DT
31     Broncos (Bears) Colt McCoy Texas QB
32     Patriots Ciron Black LSU OT
The Buccaneers picking at 8..good one my friend....I wish. They will be worse than that this season and absolutely farcical to see them pick ANOTHER OL...won't happen

8/27/09
4
Who's still talking about the 2010 Draft?  Here is my board for the 2019 NFL Draft

1 Lions Edgar Rodriguez Troy K
2 Bengals Antonio Biakabatuka Temple P
3 Browns Hidalgo Venebuenzuela San Jose State CB
....

8/27/09
0
johnshirey54 wrote:
1     Lions Carlos Dunlap Florida DE
2     Rams Sam Bradford Oklahoma QB
3     Browns Eric Berry Tennesee FS
4     Raiders Gerald McCoy Oklahoma DT
5     Broncos Brandon Spikes Florida MLB
6     49'ers Taylor Mays USC SS
7     Dolphins Joe Haden Florida CB
8     Bucs Russell Okung Oklahoma State OT
9     Packers Arrelious Benn Illinios WR
10     Bengals C.J Spiller Clemson HB
11     Billls Jermaine Gressham Oklahoma TE
12     Panthers Jevon Snead Ole Miss QB
13     Jets Trevard Lindley Kentucky CB
14     Cheifs Bryan Bulaga Iowa OT
15     Titans Ndamukong Suh Nebraska DT
16     Saints Daryl Washington TCU MLB
17     Redskins Terrence Cody Alabama DT
18     Texans Rashard Jones Georgia FS
19     Cowboys Brandon Lafell LSU WR
20     Seahawks Chris Brown Oklahoma HB
21     Vikings Ahmad Black Florida FS
22     Cardinals Tim Tebow Florida QB
23     Colts Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame QB
24     Giants Kris O'Dowd USC C
25     Steelers Brandon Graham Michigan DE
26     Eagles Damion Williams USC WR
27     Jaguars Golden Tate Notre Dame WR
28     Chargers Dez Bryant Oklahoma State WR
29     Falcons George Selvie South Florida DE
30     Ravens Geno Atkins Georgia DT
31     Broncos (Bears) Colt McCoy Texas QB
32     Patriots Ciron Black LSU OT
no one is picking dunlap over eric berry. dont even attempt that. ahmad black, haden and tebow are not first rounders. please get your head out of your ass and realize there are more than the gators out in the country. patrick robinson is a better pro cb than haden. remember that.

8/27/09
0
Sam Bradford will def. go #1 if he decides to join the draft.  any team in the NFL should be trying to sign him. 

8/27/09
1
I think you said right there why he wouldn't be a first round Pick:   

I wouldn't mind him getting to my Texans to back up Shaub.  

Now I realize that a common theme these days is to  hopefully have your QB sit a year before starting, and i agree with it, but most teams want their first round pick, no matter what position, to start correct?

8/27/09
1
because he is inaccurate and throws a wobbly and terrible spiral.also his arm strength isn't QB arm strength as much as it is shock put.

8/27/09
8
I think that this mock draft is assuming that Tim Tebow will already have ascended into heaven

8/27/09
5
 i think Tebow will be drafted, just not first round.  I say top 10 of second round.  I don't think he is worth a first round pick, but a steal in the second round, if that makes sense.  (probably not)

8/28/09
2
TurkogluForMVP wrote:
no one is picking dunlap over eric berry. dont even attempt that. ahmad black, haden and tebow are not first rounders. please get your head out of your ass and realize there are more than the gators out in the country. patrick robinson is a better pro cb than haden. remember that.
Haden's not even the best corner the Gators have...that would be Jenoris Jenkins

8/28/09
0
when is todd mcshay list coming out? i'll add selvie, bulga and trevard lindley and griffen

8/28/09
1
WOW...if a DB goes 2nd

8/28/09
2
not one Buckeye in the first round...we'll see

8/28/09
1
Yeah I agree with you 100%.  He is an amazing athlete and a great fit for the college game.  But he isn't as good a fit for the NFL as, say, Sam Bradford.  He is one of the best college football players, if not the best, in history.  HOWEVER, if you look at another quarterback making waves lately, one Michael Vick, he is what Tebow could be.  Tebow is a great leader and could be an upgrade of what Michael Vick was, but he's still not as safe as drafting Bradford or Snead, so a lot of teams will probably pass on him early.

8/28/09
1
(Edited by av5238)
Hey you got the #31 & #32 teams in reverse...

8/28/09
1
BigTone2475 wrote:
Mel Krapper Jr is a joke. How he still gets paid I will never understand. 
he just wants some of that big money tebow is going to get just being a GQ guy, The team that will get him is the team that will get rich by having him. No body likes a GQ guy but everybody is counting chickens before they are hatched. Even if the gators won the national champship again,o yeah better stop counting chickens before they hatch.lol

8/28/09
1
ur comment is greatly appreciated and thats what a quaterback is all about who can lead a team right off the back,the bears had rex grossman and he was'nt that great but he won games for the bears. It takes a leader to come into nfl and to lead a team all i can say he has the heart and he is a athlete and who knows if he will play nfl? he just might be a great leader in god and for that reason he can do whatever he likes.

8/28/09
1
buckeye is'nt that a candy?

8/28/09
0
tim tebow makes everybody days,mostly the teams he beats,he is on the list ,u can't stop superman!!!

8/28/09
1
yeah u did ,the gators is national champions again still nobody agrees so u better start counting ur chickens for next season,lol

8/28/09
1
VoodooChild1970 wrote:
Yeah I agree with you 100%.  He is an amazing athlete and a great fit for the college game.  But he isn't as good a fit for the NFL as, say, Sam Bradford.  He is one of the best college football players, if not the best, in history.  HOWEVER, if you look at another quarterback making waves lately, one Michael Vick, he is what Tebow could be.  Tebow is a great leader and could be an upgrade of what Michael Vick was, but he's still not as safe as drafting Bradford or Snead, so a lot of teams will probably pass on him early.
Here's the problem though. Vick is finesse and can get away with his style of play because he is so fast. Tebow wont be big anymore in the NFL so his running game is gone. Given that he cant pass the ball the way you need to in the NFL. Leadership and heart is one thing but you need the talent to make it into the NFL not just a couple of "good person" qualities. I figured gator fans would get their tim tebow panties all in a bunch when they actually see no one caring about tebow in the next level.

8/28/09
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Michael_Luchies wrote:
I think that this mock draft is assuming that Tim Tebow will already have ascended into heaven
+100000000000000000000000000

8/28/09
1
Just because players are top picks doesn't guarantee that will translate to NFL success... who knows if Tebow does make it in and is successful, would he turn water into wine for an encore? Or more important could he turn Detroit into a Super Bowl winning team because Stafford doesn't look like the man

8/28/09
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johnshirey54 wrote:
1     Lions Carlos Dunlap Florida DE
2     Rams Sam Bradford Oklahoma QB
3     Browns Eric Berry Tennesee FS
4     Raiders Gerald McCoy Oklahoma DT
5     Broncos Brandon Spikes Florida MLB
6     49'ers Taylor Mays USC SS
7     Dolphins Joe Haden Florida CB
8     Bucs Russell Okung Oklahoma State OT
9     Packers Arrelious Benn Illinios WR
10     Bengals C.J Spiller Clemson HB
11     Billls Jermaine Gressham Oklahoma TE
12     Panthers Jevon Snead Ole Miss QB
13     Jets Trevard Lindley Kentucky CB
14     Cheifs Bryan Bulaga Iowa OT
15     Titans Ndamukong Suh Nebraska DT
16     Saints Daryl Washington TCU MLB
17     Redskins Terrence Cody Alabama DT
18     Texans Rashard Jones Georgia FS
19     Cowboys Brandon Lafell LSU WR
20     Seahawks Chris Brown Oklahoma HB
21     Vikings Ahmad Black Florida FS
22     Cardinals Tim Tebow Florida QB
23     Colts Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame QB
24     Giants Kris O'Dowd USC C
25     Steelers Brandon Graham Michigan DE
26     Eagles Damion Williams USC WR
27     Jaguars Golden Tate Notre Dame WR
28     Chargers Dez Bryant Oklahoma State WR
29     Falcons George Selvie South Florida DE
30     Ravens Geno Atkins Georgia DT
31     Broncos (Bears) Colt McCoy Texas QB
32     Patriots Ciron Black LSU OT
Snead before McCoy hmm....   Dez the 5th WR selected, what the heck are you smokin'?

8/28/09
0
brianmc0331 wrote:
Not a bad attempt at predicting next years draft and draft order ...Seattle will have 2 first rounders they acquired Denver's. Also where is the love for Boise St. corner Kyle Wilson. Most people have him as the second best DB in all of college behind USC safety Taylor Mays.
I forgot about Seattle, my bad.

8/28/09
0
VoodooChild1970 wrote:
Yeah I agree with you 100%.  He is an amazing athlete and a great fit for the college game.  But he isn't as good a fit for the NFL as, say, Sam Bradford.  He is one of the best college football players, if not the best, in history.  HOWEVER, if you look at another quarterback making waves lately, one Michael Vick, he is what Tebow could be.  Tebow is a great leader and could be an upgrade of what Michael Vick was, but he's still not as safe as drafting Bradford or Snead, so a lot of teams will probably pass on him early.
Best in history, really.......really.....?! He's good but can you really say he was/is the best that's even played at his position at his university? Let alone the state of Oklahoma and then all of the NCAA. As far as TT, if Eli Manning can make it at QB, Tebow has a chance.

8/28/09
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Blackbelt_98 wrote:
Best in history, really.......really.....?! He's good but can you really say he was/is the best that's even played at his position at his university? Let alone the state of Oklahoma and then all of the NCAA. As far as TT, if Eli Manning can make it at QB, Tebow has a chance.
How many Natnl Championships did Barry Sanders win..how bout Thurman Thomas?

8/28/09
2
Blackbelt_98 wrote:
Best in history, really.......really.....?! He's good but can you really say he was/is the best that's even played at his position at his university? Let alone the state of Oklahoma and then all of the NCAA. As far as TT, if Eli Manning can make it at QB, Tebow has a chance.
"As far as TT, if Eli Manning can make it at QB, Tebow has a chance." One of the best statements I have heard on this subject. As far as him being the best at the position at Florida I would say absolutely, based primarily on his ability to lead and motivate the rest of his team. Then you add in his Heisman, two NCs( one as a starter and one as a situational player but two none the less), his combined passing and rushing stats (and he still has the season to go) and there is no question he is the best ever at Florida. As far as best ever in all of the NCAA goes right now he is one of the best ever lets wait until after the season is over to determine that.

If and even as a Gator fan I say if he goes off this year like I expect him to and they win a third NC I think you can make a strong case for best ever. One Heisman (possibly two) and three NCs, as well as the 20/20 record and his leadership skills, heart, toughness, grit and determination will make it hard to beat him.

8/28/09
0
I like Tim Tebow, and while i do wish that somehow he could play for my Detroit Lions, it is also a sickening feeling for me to have people continue on this "best college player ever" malarky. What has Tim Tebow done.? Other players have won  National Championships, and won the Heisman Trophy. The most recent was USC QB Matt Leinhart, who guided the Trojans to back to back Titles in 2003, and 2004. Those USC teams also won 35 straight games, and nearly one a third championship in a row.  Army won three straight Championsips, in 1944, 1945, and in 1946. Army also had back to back heisman Trophy winners in Doc Blanchard, in 1945, and Ernie Davis in 1946. Tebow is just the media's glamour boy, and the Gators are the glamour team. Florida is very good, and they are a part of college history, no doubt.
College football is over 140 years old, and the Heisman has only been awarded since 1935, the AP Poll, since 1936, and the BCS mess, since 1998. Many great players who played before 1935, like Bear Bryant, at Alabama, or  Knute Rockne, George Gipp, or any of the Four Horeman of Notre Dame, or the mighty Jim Thorpe, of Carlisle. These players, and even many who played in the Heisman era, always seem to be stepping stones for the players ther last 15, or so, years.
I love the passion of Tim Tebow, but the "greatest college player ever" is just  media hype. What if Sam Bradford wins another Heisman, and Oklahoma wins the National Championship.? Is Bradford the "greatest college player ever", or does he have to say "....you will never see another team play harder than the Sooners will play the rest of the season...."

8/28/09
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(Edited by VoodooChild1970)
LOL I almost posted that exact same thing earlier to help the cause and Im not even a Gator fan.

8/28/09
2
Lets take a look at Sam Bradford while we are at it too...

Awards and honors

 
  Passing Rushing
Season Team GP Rating Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Att Yds TD
2007 Oklahoma Sooners 14 176.52 341 237 69.5 3,121 36 8 31 7 0
2008 Oklahoma Sooners 14 180.86 483 328 67.9 4,721 50 8 42 47 5

I'd say Sam Bradford's awards and statistics from his first two years as a starter matches up pretty well, if not better than Tebows. Add to that back to back Big 12 title (only QB with 2) and a 23-5 record over his first two seasons as a starter. Bradford also has the most TD passes all time after his freshman, sophomore years and he is posed to break almost every single passing record at Oklahoma.



8/28/09
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Lets take a look at Sam Bradford while we are at it too...

Awards and honors

 
  Passing Rushing
Season Team GP Rating Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Att Yds TD
2007 Oklahoma Sooners 14 176.52 341 237 69.5 3,121 36 8 31 7 0
2008 Oklahoma Sooners 14 180.86 483 328 67.9 4,721 50 8 42 47 5

I'd say Sam Bradford's awards and statistics from his first two years as a starter matches up pretty well, if not better than Tebows. Add to that back to back Big 12 title (only QB with 2) and a 23-5 record over his first two seasons as a starter. Bradford also has the most TD passes all time after his freshman, sophomore years and he is posed to break almost every single passing record at Oklahoma.


Stats Overview Passing
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2006 217 318 2570 68.2 8.08 72 29 7 14 161.82
2007 276 424 3303 65.1 7.79 62 22 18 24 139.16
2008 332 433 3859 76.7 8.91 91 34 8 24 173.75
 

Colt McCoy Awards:

  • Named 2006 “National Freshman of the Year” by The Sporting News and the Touchdown Club of Columbus
  • Named Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year by the Associated Press.
  • Named the 2008 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year by the Associated Press
  • Named the 2008 Big 12 2nd Team Quarterback by the Associated Press
  • Named the 2008 Walter Camp Award by the Walter Camp Foundation
  • Named the 2008 All America 1st Team Quarterback by the Walter Camp Foundation,[110] FWAA, and Sports Illustrated
  • Named the 2008 Heisman Memorial Trophy Runner-up
And while we're at it...

8/28/09
1
VoodooChild1970 wrote:
Stats Overview Passing
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2006 217 318 2570 68.2 8.08 72 29 7 14 161.82
2007 276 424 3303 65.1 7.79 62 22 18 24 139.16
2008 332 433 3859 76.7 8.91 91 34 8 24 173.75
 

Colt McCoy Awards:

  • Named 2006 “National Freshman of the Year” by The Sporting News and the Touchdown Club of Columbus
  • Named Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year by the Associated Press.
  • Named the 2008 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year by the Associated Press
  • Named the 2008 Big 12 2nd Team Quarterback by the Associated Press
  • Named the 2008 Walter Camp Award by the Walter Camp Foundation
  • Named the 2008 All America 1st Team Quarterback by the Walter Camp Foundation,[110] FWAA, and Sports Illustrated
  • Named the 2008 Heisman Memorial Trophy Runner-up
And while we're at it...
I'd put his list of accomplishments/statistics/awards 3rd behind Bradford then Tebow.

8/28/09
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Jubanator14 wrote:
I'd put his list of accomplishments/statistics/awards 3rd behind Bradford then Tebow.
Yeah me too. Just putting it in there for arguments sake.  He's still an amazing player.

8/29/09
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Jubanator14 wrote:
Lets take a look at Sam Bradford while we are at it too...

Awards and honors

 
  Passing Rushing
Season Team GP Rating Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Att Yds TD
2007 Oklahoma Sooners 14 176.52 341 237 69.5 3,121 36 8 31 7 0
2008 Oklahoma Sooners 14 180.86 483 328 67.9 4,721 50 8 42 47 5

I'd say Sam Bradford's awards and statistics from his first two years as a starter matches up pretty well, if not better than Tebows. Add to that back to back Big 12 title (only QB with 2) and a 23-5 record over his first two seasons as a starter. Bradford also has the most TD passes all time after his freshman, sophomore years and he is posed to break almost every single passing record at Oklahoma.


Yeah but the stat your missing  which is the stat of all stats is the 2 NCs rings that a one Tim Tebow has on his hand. Oh by the way he beat Mr. Bradford for one of those and out played him in that game as well.

8/29/09
1

Now this is the best post in this thread.

8/29/09
1
BigTone2475 wrote:
Yeah but the stat your missing  which is the stat of all stats is the 2 NCs rings that a one Tim Tebow has on his hand. Oh by the way he beat Mr. Bradford for one of those and out played him in that game as well.
Tebow got one ring as a situational/backup player. Also Florida won that game in spite of Tebow, that defense was phenomenal. Tebow looked like a normal QB that game, the game was won by Florida's defense

8/29/09
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TurkogluForMVP wrote:
no one is picking dunlap over eric berry. dont even attempt that. ahmad black, haden and tebow are not first rounders. please get your head out of your ass and realize there are more than the gators out in the country. patrick robinson is a better pro cb than haden. remember that.
I absolutely hate the Sooners and i have four of them going in the first round and five Gators. Black, Haden and the rest of the Gators secondary (Major Wright and Janoris Jenkins, who will be a first rounder when he comes out) is the one vastly under-rated part off the Gators team. I think there is a good chance Tim slips out of the first round, but he will prove himself to all the critics on Sunday's.

8/29/09
2
Jubanator14 wrote:
Tebow got one ring as a situational/backup player. Also Florida won that game in spite of Tebow, that defense was phenomenal. Tebow looked like a normal QB that game, the game was won by Florida's defense
The defense is phenomenal, but even though it wasn't his best game the Gators would not have gotten there in the first place had Tebow not play incredibly all season. Look at USC they had the nations best defense and a QB that is now starting in the NFL. Tebow just has a certain leadership quality that makes the whole team more enthusiastic and determined.

8/29/09
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(Edited by BigTone2475)
Jubanator14 wrote:
Tebow got one ring as a situational/backup player. Also Florida won that game in spite of Tebow, that defense was phenomenal. Tebow looked like a normal QB that game, the game was won by Florida's defense
You my friend are delusional. Situational or not he still was a big part of the game that year and he still has the ring. Now on to last years game in the first half both Qbs were average it was our defense that kept us in it up to that point. but in the second half Tebow took the team on his shoulder started running people over and firing up the rest of the team and commenced to beaten that a$$ and got his second ring. Which is something your beloved Bradford could not do.  That is something Bradford failed to do in both of OU's losses last year.

Don't get me wrong Bradford is a phenomenal OB with all the skills and talent you can have but what he lacks are the intangibles that Tebow has which makes up for whatever abilities he may lack. As everyone knows talent is not everything or Ryan Leaf would be a HOF NFL QB. 

8/29/09
1
johnshirey54 wrote:
I absolutely hate the Sooners and i have four of them going in the first round and five Gators. Black, Haden and the rest of the Gators secondary (Major Wright and Janoris Jenkins, who will be a first rounder when he comes out) is the one vastly under-rated part off the Gators team. I think there is a good chance Tim slips out of the first round, but he will prove himself to all the critics on Sunday's.
You have 2 gators that will not go in the first round im sorry. They are not that good contrary to your homer belief. Black and and Haden are not 1st round material. The gators DONT have the best defense in the nation like you seem to think. its ridiculous to think that.

8/29/09
1
TurkogluForMVP wrote:
You have 2 gators that will not go in the first round im sorry. They are not that good contrary to your homer belief. Black and and Haden are not 1st round material. The gators DONT have the best defense in the nation like you seem to think. its ridiculous to think that.
I guess we will find out on the third Saturday of September when we embarrass your Vols for the third straight year. They said the same thing before the 06 season and we all know how that ended.

8/29/09
1
(Edited by BigTone2475)
You need to read this post by AndiLee0388

"My point had nothing to do with comparisons. Bradford is awesome, Colt McCoy is awesome.
My point in posting what I did, was because I am really tired of the downplaying of Tebow's talents. Is he the best ever? Probably not. Does he ever say he walks on water? No! Does he ask the media to fawn all over him like he is the second coming? No! Does he go out of his way to bring attention to himself? NO!

This kid is the most down to earth, hard working, team player I have seen come around in a long time, and in a world that is so totally forked up....That, in itself deserves a bit of respect!

OK..my job here is done! "

Oh and in case you forgot Tebow got the ring last year and Bradford got his ass handed to him.

I can't wait to here what you have to say after Texas and the OSU cowboys kick the crap out of you this year.

8/29/09
1
BigTone2475 wrote:
You need to read this post by AndiLee0388

"My point had nothing to do with comparisons. Bradford is awesome, Colt McCoy is awesome.
My point in posting what I did, was because I am really tired of the downplaying of Tebow's talents. Is he the best ever? Probably not. Does he ever say he walks on water? No! Does he ask the media to fawn all over him like he is the second coming? No! Does he go out of his way to bring attention to himself? NO!

This kid is the most down to earth, hard working, team player I have seen come around in a long time, and in a world that is so totally forked up....That, in itself deserves a bit of respect!

OK..my job here is done! "

Oh and in case you forgot Tebow got the ring last year and Bradford got his ass handed to him.

I can't wait to here what you have to say after Texas and the OSU cowboys kick the crap out of you this year.
ok here is goes.

1)the vols were 5-7 last year with a terrible d and you still only scored 30 on a pathetic 5-7. now there is one more year with monte kiffin on the sideline so no you will not kill the vols so put the koolaid down.

2) 06? what are you talking about thats what they said in 06. No UF doesnt even have the best defense in the SEC let alone country to get over yourself

3) in case you forgot bradford did NOT get his ass handed to him. it was a 24-14 game with UF down at the half. Youre the kind of homer that thinks UF is going undefeated every year and the things youve been saying are garbage.

8/29/09
1
TurkogluForMVP wrote:
ok here is goes.

1)the vols were 5-7 last year with a terrible d and you still only scored 30 on a pathetic 5-7. now there is one more year with monte kiffin on the sideline so no you will not kill the vols so put the koolaid down.

2) 06? what are you talking about thats what they said in 06. No UF doesnt even have the best defense in the SEC let alone country to get over yourself

3) in case you forgot bradford did NOT get his ass handed to him. it was a 24-14 game with UF down at the half. Youre the kind of homer that thinks UF is going undefeated every year and the things youve been saying are garbage.

Dude your the one who needs to get over yourself. The Gators did only hang 30 on you last year but you left out the fact you only scored 6 on us on a late 4th quarter TD when our back ups were in. What about the year before that when we hung 59 on you or what about the fact that you have lost to us the last 4 years and have been out scored 126 to 53 in those games.

They said in 06 that our D wasn't that good and we shut down the mighty Buckeyes who had the Heisman winner and supposedly the best running game in the country and we made them look like a Pop Warner team.

As far as I am concerned when your the Heisman winner and you lose by 10 in the big game that's getting your ass handed to you. No I don't think the Gators will go undefeated every year nor do I think any true Gator fan thinks that due to how tough the SEC is year out and year in. You can dispute that all you want but the numbers don't lie.

Keep trying you might get it sooner or latter.

8/30/09
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BigTone2475 wrote:

Dude your the one who needs to get over yourself. The Gators did only hang 30 on you last year but you left out the fact you only scored 6 on us on a late 4th quarter TD when our back ups were in. What about the year before that when we hung 59 on you or what about the fact that you have lost to us the last 4 years and have been out scored 126 to 53 in those games.

They said in 06 that our D wasn't that good and we shut down the mighty Buckeyes who had the Heisman winner and supposedly the best running game in the country and we made them look like a Pop Warner team.

As far as I am concerned when your the Heisman winner and you lose by 10 in the big game that's getting your ass handed to you. No I don't think the Gators will go undefeated every year nor do I think any true Gator fan thinks that due to how tough the SEC is year out and year in. You can dispute that all you want but the numbers don't lie.

Keep trying you might get it sooner or latter.

apparently you didnt watch the game. If foster was replaced by any other back it wouldnt have been only 6. UT was within the 5 yard line 3 times. Dont act like your defense man handled ut because they didnt. Arian Foster just doesnt know how to hold on to a damn ball. 3 turnovers in the endzone that was UTs fault and nothing to do with UF. go back and watch it. you'll see. Fact is PERCY HARVIN beat the Vols last year. Tebow with his 94 yards didnt do squat to win that game and now Percy is gone. . Offensively you wont do as well. Two top WRs in a pass obsessed offensive left and you are the dumbass to think youll score 50+ on a top 5 defense in the country and then you add monte to the mix who is the best defensive mind in football and a much improved offense.

The buckeyes were mighty to the big ten and the BCS committee. Everyone else knew that game was going to be a joke. And dont act like everyone was against UF because that was not the case. Who said the d wasnt that good? All i remember hearing is UFs D is too fast for the buckeyes. SEC defenses have too much speed for the big ten. if ted ginn jr didnt hurt his ankle on the kickoff return for a td then im willing to say itd be a different game.

It was by ten points. thats not getting your ass handed to you in football. Sorry you think that the gators dominated the sooner but youre so far off. put the tebow kool aid down and wake the hell up.

8/30/09
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TurkogluForMVP wrote:
You have 2 gators that will not go in the first round im sorry. They are not that good contrary to your homer belief. Black and and Haden are not 1st round material. The gators DONT have the best defense in the nation like you seem to think. its ridiculous to think that.
I'm not the only one that sees several Gators going in the first round, here is a link to an unbiased sports website that I find to be highly accurate.  http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php

If they gators didn't have the nation best defense last year, they will this year because they are returning all of their starters from last years defense that was unarguable one of the top five in the nation.

8/30/09
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(Edited by BigTone2475)
TurkogluForMVP wrote:
apparently you didnt watch the game. If foster was replaced by any other back it wouldnt have been only 6. UT was within the 5 yard line 3 times. Dont act like your defense man handled ut because they didnt. Arian Foster just doesnt know how to hold on to a damn ball. 3 turnovers in the endzone that was UTs fault and nothing to do with UF. go back and watch it. you'll see. Fact is PERCY HARVIN beat the Vols last year. Tebow with his 94 yards didnt do squat to win that game and now Percy is gone. . Offensively you wont do as well. Two top WRs in a pass obsessed offensive left and you are the dumbass to think youll score 50+ on a top 5 defense in the country and then you add monte to the mix who is the best defensive mind in football and a much improved offense.

The buckeyes were mighty to the big ten and the BCS committee. Everyone else knew that game was going to be a joke. And dont act like everyone was against UF because that was not the case. Who said the d wasnt that good? All i remember hearing is UFs D is too fast for the buckeyes. SEC defenses have too much speed for the big ten. if ted ginn jr didnt hurt his ankle on the kickoff return for a td then im willing to say itd be a different game.

It was by ten points. thats not getting your ass handed to you in football. Sorry you think that the gators dominated the sooner but youre so far off. put the tebow kool aid down and wake the hell up.
Well that just proves it your are as dumb as you sound. I never said that Tim Tebow beat you last year. Not to mention when we faced you we were still not clicking on all cylinders and we still kicked your ass. UFs D caused the red zone fumbles. Regardless of what the physical stats are the scoreboard is what matters and you got spanked for the fourth year in a row. So quit your wining and get ready for number 5.

I am a life long Buc fan I know all about Monte. He's the only reason that slack ass third rate coach of yours got the job in the first place. Wow you are DELUSIONAL you think you have a top five D and that without adding in Monte LMAO. When your boys are getting slaughtered at the swamp in a few weeks don't come crying in here.

You apparently have the 06 game with us confused with the 07 game with LSU. No one outside the SEC gave us a chance in that game and we showed them all. One guy for OSU would not have changed the outcome for OSU especially that soft ass pansy.

Double digits is double digits no matter how you spin it add in the fact that they had the Heisman winner  and the greatest O in history, so they say, and that's an ass whooping in my book. So I think you're the one who needs to wake up.

8/31/09
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BigTone2475 wrote:
Well that just proves it your are as dumb as you sound. I never said that Tim Tebow beat you last year. Not to mention when we faced you we were still not clicking on all cylinders and we still kicked your ass. UFs D caused the red zone fumbles. Regardless of what the physical stats are the scoreboard is what matters and you got spanked for the fourth year in a row. So quit your wining and get ready for number 5.

I am a life long Buc fan I know all about Monte. He's the only reason that slack ass third rate coach of yours got the job in the first place. Wow you are DELUSIONAL you think you have a top five D and that without adding in Monte LMAO. When your boys are getting slaughtered at the swamp in a few weeks don't come crying in here.

You apparently have the 06 game with us confused with the 07 game with LSU. No one outside the SEC gave us a chance in that game and we showed them all. One guy for OSU would not have changed the outcome for OSU especially that soft ass pansy.

Double digits is double digits no matter how you spin it add in the fact that they had the Heisman winner  and the greatest O in history, so they say, and that's an ass whooping in my book. So I think you're the one who needs to wake up.
Tennessee officially had the third ranked defense last year. How is that delusional? 24-14 is not an ass whooping and if you honestly think that is an ass whooping  then i feel sorry for you. Does it matter if Monte is the only reason Lane got the job? Does that really matter? Fact is Monte is wearing orange and white and calling those plays against Tebow which have been proven to put enormous pressure on QB's with an already official third ranked defense from last year. I hope the gators have the same stupid mentality that you do cause thatll make the tears flow quicker. Oh and 2006 you didnt spank ut so get that out of your head.

8/31/09
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(Edited by BigTone2475)
TurkogluForMVP wrote:
Tennessee officially had the third ranked defense last year. How is that delusional? 24-14 is not an ass whooping and if you honestly think that is an ass whooping  then i feel sorry for you. Does it matter if Monte is the only reason Lane got the job? Does that really matter? Fact is Monte is wearing orange and white and calling those plays against Tebow which have been proven to put enormous pressure on QB's with an already official third ranked defense from last year. I hope the gators have the same stupid mentality that you do cause thatll make the tears flow quicker. Oh and 2006 you didnt spank ut so get that out of your head.
Alright dude officially you might have been top five but we all know that all NCAA football rankings are a joke based on stats from to many schools who play entirely different levels of talent and someones opinion, But I'll give you that one. Now as far as the NC game you keep focusing on the 10 points and not the fact that they were the team that scored more points then any team in history, they had the Heisman winner and everyone west of the Mississippi and north of the mason Dixon (with the exception of Texas of coarse) thought they were the greatest team ever and that they  would score 50+ pts on the Gators, so in my opinion a 10 pt loss is an ass whoopin. Your are right in 06 we beat you by one my point is you were out scored 126 to 53 over the last four years that's an overall beat down.

I am a Gator fan first an a SEC fan second so I want UT to return to the team of old for a few reason. 1 the overall strength of the SEC. 2 the overall strength of schedule for the Gators. 3 it makes for a more exciting game. One of my best Friends is a Vol fan and I enjoy the rivalry immensely, so don't take any thing I say to personally ok. It's all in fun.

9/2/09
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johnshirey54 wrote:
I absolutely hate the Sooners and i have four of them going in the first round and five Gators. Black, Haden and the rest of the Gators secondary (Major Wright and Janoris Jenkins, who will be a first rounder when he comes out) is the one vastly under-rated part off the Gators team. I think there is a good chance Tim slips out of the first round, but he will prove himself to all the critics on Sunday's.
Haden will, Black may slip but he is an NFL type player and should go in the first or second round.

9/3/09
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Woot

11/21/09
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Wow, it is crazy looking at my Pre-Season mock draft compared to my latest, there are a lot of changes.

11/25/09
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(Edited by plewis222)
 Jimmy Clausen should be top 10.

11/25/09
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plewis222 wrote:
 Jimmy Clausen should be top 10.
You should become the Browns new GM

12/12/09
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uuuummmm.... where's tony pike???

12/29/09
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Diablorain wrote:
i do think its a bit to early to be ranking people..but thats just me
I agree way to early. As for somebody that should be on the list Ryan Mathews running back from Fresno State. I think he the best most complete back in the draft and as just an all around football player one of the best.

12/29/09
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Diablorain wrote:
i do think its a bit to early to be ranking people..but thats just me
A scout told me that the Patriots have boards for drafts 5 YEARS in advance...so clearly the most successful franchise in the NFL over the last 9 years disagrees with you.

1/19/10
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 A top 25 Draft Board where Jevan Snead is ranked the number 1 quarterback and Jimmy Clausen is nowhere to be found?

Check out PathtotheDraft.com and click on the Mock Draft tab to see what's up.

1/19/10
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A few weeks ago I thought I had heard something about the Jaguars hoping to get Tim Tebow in hopes of having a "local boy" help boost slumping ticket sales. Anyone hear of this or is it just rumor? I personally dont think he will go before the third or fourth round to a team thats really into the wildcat.

1/20/10
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willscout wrote:

A few weeks ago I thought I had heard something about the Jaguars hoping to get Tim Tebow in hopes of having a "local boy" help boost slumping ticket sales. Anyone hear of this or is it just rumor? I personally dont think he will go before the third or fourth round to a team thats really into the wildcat.

Right now the buzz is a team with a luxury of picks will try to move into the mid to early part of the second round and that's where St. Tebow will be picked. I still wouldn't count out Jax drafting him in the first, they DID just lower their ticket prices across the board.

1/20/10
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 This draft board is a total fraud! This is not Kiper's mock draft. I'm a Lions fan, and in the real Kiper mock draft, he has the Lions selecting Oklahoma's McCoy, DT. Furthermore, everyone knows Suh will be the first player selected. Not Sam Bradford (WTF?), as this site would have you to believe Kiper is suggesting. 

1/20/10
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reddeye_1 wrote:
 This draft board is a total fraud! This is not Kiper's mock draft. I'm a Lions fan, and in the real Kiper mock draft, he has the Lions selecting Oklahoma's McCoy, DT. Furthermore, everyone knows Suh will be the first player selected. Not Sam Bradford (WTF?), as this site would have you to believe Kiper is suggesting. 
If you notice when this was posted, it's from August 27. Just throwing that out there.

1/20/10
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srvntofjesus wrote:
Sam Bradford will def. go #1 if he decides to join the draft.  any team in the NFL should be trying to sign him. 
Product of the system! What did he do against BYU???? Another OU bust at QB where is Hipple anyway?

1/20/10
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Suh won't fall to number 5 for the taking of the Chiefs if he does alright! ANother d-line that is an excitng draft.

1/20/10
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MarkTheShark wrote:
Right now the buzz is a team with a luxury of picks will try to move into the mid to early part of the second round and that's where St. Tebow will be picked. I still wouldn't count out Jax drafting him in the first, they DID just lower their ticket prices across the board.

So J'ville is having problems. I think even if they do get his "Majesty" I think it would be a temporary fix. Once the novelty wears off and they don't see the same Tebow in the NFL as they did in college they will lose interest and the Jags will be back to square one.

1/20/10
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Pat wrote:
If you notice when this was posted, it's from August 27. Just throwing that out there.
Seriously, do we need to post his most recent big board? This is embarrassing.

1/21/10
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Jubanator14 wrote:
Seriously, do we need to post his most recent big board? This is embarrassing.
You could post my big board...that didn't sound right...

The point is I've been watching so many cutups I'm getting sick of watching player X run to the LOS and the play is already over....I respect scouts SOOOOO much more now...it can get tedious

 
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