NASCAR Daytona 500 Qualifying [Live Thread]

Richard Childress says Danica is favorite for the Daytona 500 Pole

2/17/13 in NASCAR   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

Blog Photo - NASCAR Daytona 500 Qualifying [Live Thread]Even before Victory Lane was swept clean of celebratory evidence, Richard Childress was telling the media that Danica Patrick has the best chance for a pole in Daytona today.  Now Brad Keselowski is saying the same thing.

Tony Stewart is out first when qualifying gets underway, so he will have the pole position for at least a couple of beats, and Danica goes out 8th.  The track conditions can change as qualifying progresses, so whatever time she posts may or may not hold up.

Remember though, we are only qualifying the top two positions today, effectively making up the front row.  The whole qualifying procedure is rather convoluted, but once today is done, we will have out lineups for the Duels   The rules have changed slightly this year (honestly, it seems everything has changed this year).  In the case of the top 35 rule, however, the change is long needed.  We'll go into that rule more this week on "Start Your Engines" but suffice to say the fastest 36 cars will now be in, no matter or their position in the points.

However, for the Duels, the setting of the starting positions for the first and second Duels will remain the same.  We will know who is in the first Duel and who is in the second Duel by the end of qualifying today.

When we get to the Duels on Thursday night, we'll examine how the starting positions for the 500 are determined.  For today, however, we can just watch the teams qualify.

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2/18/13   |   texas_tornado4261   |   84441 respect

Eric_ wrote:
Why is that? I've been watching Danica since 2005, and despite all the hatred towards her, she is a competent race car driver. Given time (which her sponsor and hype won't allow), she'll be decent.

stay tuned, she will wreck who she is next to and blame it on them.....

2/18/13   |   JenX63   |   32817 respect

kramer wrote:
Debi and Jen, if that's what you saw, she is then no different than Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Kyle Busch, and the others who bump people out of the way all the time, but bitch and moan when someone repays them the favor.  You're proving my point that she doesn't act any differently.  You see it as her whining, I see it as not backing down from the boys and refusing to be intimidated.

You'll notice, they are not on my favorites list either. :)

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

Eric_ wrote:
For the record, despite her reputation, I don't think Danica was the biggest whiner when she was in IndyCar. That dishonor goes to two certain drivers who have famous daddies and granddaddies.

LMAO!!!!!! I know who you're talking about!!

And Rusty Whiner wins hands down in NASCAR - still does!

2/17/13   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

For the record, despite her reputation, I don't think Danica was the biggest whiner when she was in IndyCar. That dishonor goes to two certain drivers who have famous daddies and granddaddies.

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

kramer wrote:
Debi and Jen, if that's what you saw, she is then no different than Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Kyle Busch, and the others who bump people out of the way all the time, but bitch and moan when someone repays them the favor.  You're proving my point that she doesn't act any differently.  You see it as her whining, I see it as not backing down from the boys and refusing to be intimidated.

See, that's why we have our open threads.  We all get to voice our opinions, and rarely do we all agree.   As you should know, I'm not a fan of JJ either - same reason.  I'm not a fan of Jeff, but my son is, so I keep my mouth shut.  I'm not a fan of Kyle, but my daughter is, so I keep my mouth shut.  You have named three others besides her who are whiners.  To me that doesn't make her one of the "boys" who drive, it makes her one of the whiners who expect preferential treatment.

My opinion hasn't changed.

2/17/13   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

Debi and Jen, if that's what you saw, she is then no different than Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Kyle Busch, and the others who bump people out of the way all the time, but bitch and moan when someone repays them the favor.  You're proving my point that she doesn't act any differently.  You see it as her whining, I see it as not backing down from the boys and refusing to be intimidated.

2/17/13   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

Eric_ wrote:
I'm not getting into it all, but three things:

1.) Danica's not without talent, but she's certainly had opportunities that no other female driver has had, in NASCAR or anywhere else. I'll always wonder what would've happened if Janet Guthrie was given a fair short in any racing series.

2.) Go Daddy a few years ago changed PR agencies, and made their commercials less obviously sexual (although still terrible). I don't think that decision had anything to do with Danica and her reputation necessarily.

3.) Montoya's a flop? WTF? He has 2 wins and a Chase appearance. The rest of the recent switches either didn't have funding to do it right and/or were too old to learn new tricks, so to speak. JPM's career speaks for itself regardless of his NASCAR career (which I'm guessing his problem in general is his lack of consistency).

He won the races he was supposed to, road courses.  He has yet to win a stock car race on an oval.  I'm not bashing him for his entire career, but yes he has had ONE solid year in NASCAR out of SIX.  To me that's overrated, and for as good as he's touted to be in the Cup Series, he hasn't had the success in stock car racing that everyone believed he'd have.

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

Jess wrote:

I love you anyway, and thank you for the frog........and the ladybug

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

JenX63 wrote:
What Debi  said and if you watched any of the races last year, you would of seen her "act". She was flustered that the boys weren't just moving over when they saw her coming and for her to actually be hit, "OMGOSH", her whining was at it's best. Like I said. When she proves herself, she will get my respect. I will never like her, that's a given. 

Amen sistah!!!

2/17/13   |   JenX63   |   32817 respect

Jess wrote:

ell o ell Jess

2/17/13   |   JenX63   |   32817 respect

kramer wrote:
The media may have led you to believe that, but I have never once seen Danica act like she was the best thing since sliced bread.  She knew it would be a learning curve, and it has been.  We heard the same thing about Montoya as a Cup driver, that he was going to be awesome.  So far he's been a complete flop, and quite possibly the most overrated driver to ever switch from Indy to NASCAR.  If Danica's attitude of not letting the boys all intimidate her makes her "the greatest thing since Tony" and is the reason you say she bit off more than she could chew, you're sadly mistaken and letting your hatred for all her hype stick out like a sore thumb and influence your opinion.  She's a competitor, and excuse her for wanting to do her best to show all the NASCAR boys that she CAN indeed race with them and be successful.

What Debi  said and if you watched any of the races last year, you would of seen her "act". She was flustered that the boys weren't just moving over when they saw her coming and for her to actually be hit, "OMGOSH", her whining was at it's best. Like I said. When she proves herself, she will get my respect. I will never like her, that's a given. 

2/17/13   |   JenX63   |   32817 respect

kramer wrote:
The media may have led you to believe that, but I have never once seen Danica act like she was the best thing since sliced bread.  She knew it would be a learning curve, and it has been.  We heard the same thing about Montoya as a Cup driver, that he was going to be awesome.  So far he's been a complete flop, and quite possibly the most overrated driver to ever switch from Indy to NASCAR.  If Danica's attitude of not letting the boys all intimidate her makes her "the greatest thing since Tony" and is the reason you say she bit off more than she could chew, you're sadly mistaken and letting your hatred for all her hype stick out like a sore thumb and influence your opinion.  She's a competitor, and excuse her for wanting to do her best to show all the NASCAR boys that she CAN indeed race with them and be successful.

She got a pole. She has not in any race I have seen her in so far, proven she can race with the big boys. She has had 2 years. Your a fan, I am not. (lol) when have you ever seen me say "yeah Montoya"? I really don't pay attention to the "hype". I want her to prove herself, that is all. So far, she has not. If anyone else had got the pole, the fanfare would already be over.

2/17/13   |   Jess   |   34899 respect

2/17/13   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

(Edited by Eric_)

I'm not getting into it all, but three things:

1.) Danica's not without talent, but she's certainly had opportunities that no other female driver has had, in NASCAR or anywhere else. I'll always wonder what would've happened if Janet Guthrie was given a fair short in any racing series.

2.) Go Daddy a few years ago changed PR agencies, and made their commercials less obviously sexual (although still terrible). I don't think that decision had anything to do with Danica and her reputation necessarily.

3.) Montoya's a flop? WTF? He has 2 wins and a Chase appearance. The rest of the recent switches either didn't have funding to do it right and/or were too old to learn new tricks, so to speak. JPM's career speaks for itself regardless of his NASCAR career (which I'm guessing his problem in general is his lack of consistency).

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

kramer wrote:
The media may have led you to believe that, but I have never once seen Danica act like she was the best thing since sliced bread.  She knew it would be a learning curve, and it has been.  We heard the same thing about Montoya as a Cup driver, that he was going to be awesome.  So far he's been a complete flop, and quite possibly the most overrated driver to ever switch from Indy to NASCAR.  If Danica's attitude of not letting the boys all intimidate her makes her "the greatest thing since Tony" and is the reason you say she bit off more than she could chew, you're sadly mistaken and letting your hatred for all her hype stick out like a sore thumb and influence your opinion.  She's a competitor, and excuse her for wanting to do her best to show all the NASCAR boys that she CAN indeed race with them and be successful.

You have NEVER seen her act like she was the "best thing since sliced bread"?  We see it in almost every race.  She has the attitude that the guys dare not race her the same way they race each other because she is "Danica".  She rants about the guys not racing her fairly and did so in IndyCars.  Her rants are famous!!!  All anyone has ever done is race her like she is one of the guys.  Not once did anyone pick on her.  

I can't imagine her reaction had Carl Edwards done to her what he did to Brad Keselowski.

2/17/13   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

JenX63 wrote:
Why were we expecting to much? Media and Danica, made us all believe she was the greatest thing since Tony. She bit off more than she could chew.....and choked.....it's another year, maybe she has learned something, maybe not.
 She gets my respect when she earns it. 

The media may have led you to believe that, but I have never once seen Danica act like she was the best thing since sliced bread.  She knew it would be a learning curve, and it has been.  We heard the same thing about Montoya as a Cup driver, that he was going to be awesome.  So far he's been a complete flop, and quite possibly the most overrated driver to ever switch from Indy to NASCAR.  If Danica's attitude of not letting the boys all intimidate her makes her "the greatest thing since Tony" and is the reason you say she bit off more than she could chew, you're sadly mistaken and letting your hatred for all her hype stick out like a sore thumb and influence your opinion.  She's a competitor, and excuse her for wanting to do her best to show all the NASCAR boys that she CAN indeed race with them and be successful.

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

JenX63 wrote:
The fact is: She was shoved down our throats 2 years ago as the "next big thing"...she petered out quite literally and fast too. She has the pole, good for her......i don't feel any differently about her, if she wins a race or two...good for her. It is what she is getting paid to do. Funny how her Godaddy commercials were curtailed quite hurredly...she knew the "sex" appeal factor was getting her no where in the nascar community or with fans. Actually, it hurt her, a lot...and my opinion of her remains the same. She is mediocre at best.

Getting lambasted on twitter because I am not a fan.  I agree that she is mediocre at best and the media is now playing the #GirlsRule hashtag - like suddenly I'm supposed to like her because she is a female and I am too?  I don't get it.  Yes, give her credit for getting the pole position - I'm positive her crew configured her car so she could drive the wheels off it for qualifying.  because they knew that was something she COULD win.  

The media has given us all kinds of driver and presented them as the "next big thing".  How many of them have been successful?  How many of them have we gone on to be fans of?  

Every year someone gets the Daytona Pole position and we get to hear about how wonderful they are for a week before the race.  The only thing that is different here is that there are other angles the media is forcefeeding us - the Ricky Stenhouse Jr dating thing, or "Stenica" (GAG) and now the #GirlsRule thing.  

I'm sorry I'm not a Danica fan.  I'm not a Jimmie Johnson fan either, so you aren't seeing anything different from me than you have seen when they force feed me with him.

2/17/13   |   JenX63   |   32817 respect

kramer wrote:
She didn't "peter out."  I'm sure there's a ton of guys (myself included) who enjoyed those GoDaddy commercials, and still do.  As for her racing, I've said this about every single driver who has come over from Indy Cars to stock cars, NO ONE is ever going to be lightning in a bottle like Tony Stewart was, nobody!  If you really expected that then you were expecting far too much.  She didn't fizzle out, she learned and has gotten better all the time.

Why were we expecting to much? Media and Danica, made us all believe she was the greatest thing since Tony. She bit off more than she could chew.....and choked.....it's another year, maybe she has learned something, maybe not.
 She gets my respect when she earns it. 

2/17/13   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

JenX63 wrote:
The fact is: She was shoved down our throats 2 years ago as the "next big thing"...she petered out quite literally and fast too. She has the pole, good for her......i don't feel any differently about her, if she wins a race or two...good for her. It is what she is getting paid to do. Funny how her Godaddy commercials were curtailed quite hurredly...she knew the "sex" appeal factor was getting her no where in the nascar community or with fans. Actually, it hurt her, a lot...and my opinion of her remains the same. She is mediocre at best.

She didn't "peter out."  I'm sure there's a ton of guys (myself included) who enjoyed those GoDaddy commercials, and still do.  As for her racing, I've said this about every single driver who has come over from Indy Cars to stock cars, NO ONE is ever going to be lightning in a bottle like Tony Stewart was, nobody!  If you really expected that then you were expecting far too much.  She didn't fizzle out, she learned and has gotten better all the time.

2/17/13   |   JenX63   |   32817 respect

The fact is: She was shoved down our throats 2 years ago as the "next big thing"...she petered out quite literally and fast too. She has the pole, good for her......i don't feel any differently about her, if she wins a race or two...good for her. It is what she is getting paid to do. Funny how her Godaddy commercials were curtailed quite hurredly...she knew the "sex" appeal factor was getting her no where in the nascar community or with fans. Actually, it hurt her, a lot...and my opinion of her remains the same. She is mediocre at best.

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

JenX63 wrote:
On the tail of my rant about the "duels"...why in god's name are the #1 & 2, even in the duels? They can't get any higher to start. It's ridicoulous....Daytona 500 is special all by itself (imo) all that other crap isn't needed in my opinion.

THAT I do agree with.  I don't believe the front row drivers should be in the Duels at all.

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

kramer wrote:
Umm, Debi, may I remind you that until Danica came along, everyone was saying the same thing about our driver, #88, that it was all Junior all the time, and that he doesn't deserve the popularity he gets.

And the same was what we got about JJ.  He was shoved down our throats.  The cameras on track were always on him.  Before that it was Jeff Gordon.  My point is that it doesn't have to be about ONE driver! There are 43 of them on the track during the race and often many more trying to qualify.  Let's cover all of the drivers, and at least some of the front runnners, not just the most popular ones.  I get tired of all the Jr coverage too.  It isn't about who I like or don't like, but the  media definitely has the power to turn me against any given driver on any given day, just by their actions.

2/17/13   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

Umm, Debi, may I remind you that until Danica came along, everyone was saying the same thing about our driver, #88, that it was all Junior all the time, and that he doesn't deserve the popularity he gets.

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

Eric_ wrote:
I'm watching this on account of nothing being on (my sisters have already left), and wow is this coverage bad. It's not just the useless yucking it up with Chris Myers, but it's the little things, like when Scott Speed was dismissed as an "ex-open wheel driver" when he spent a few years in Cup full-time.

That's the problem.  The coverage was all about DP and they barely covered anyone else.  Twitter was the same.  Every tweet contained some kind of DP reference.  

And to address your second comment, the point being "she'll be decent".  She just isn't "all that" and for all of the media to act as if she is the only person on the track is ridiculous.  Also, the "Stenica" crap is nauseating.  

We haven't been NASCAR fans all these years to have her come into the sport and be the only story covered.  They didn't even hardly mention Jimmie Johnson or Brad Keselowski, the 2012 champion.  Not that I need more coverage of JJ, but I do need less of DP.

2/17/13   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

Eric_ wrote:
Why is that? I've been watching Danica since 2005, and despite all the hatred towards her, she is a competent race car driver. Given time (which her sponsor and hype won't allow), she'll be decent.

This is one time where I have to agree.  From what I've seen she's an excellent learner, and the more experience she gets the better she is.  Watching in the Nationwide Series you could see it, the more she learned the more she improved.

2/17/13   |   JenX63   |   32817 respect

On the tail of my rant about the "duels"...why in god's name are the #1 & 2, even in the duels? They can't get any higher to start. It's ridicoulous....Daytona 500 is special all by itself (imo) all that other crap isn't needed in my opinion.

2/17/13   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

Congrats to Danica for making NASCAR history, first woman to ever win a pole in the Cup Series!  Ladies, be quiet.  She's a better driver than any previous woman to strap into a stock car and it's not even close.

2/17/13   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

texas_tornado4261 wrote:
I can't stand her, she don't even belong racing with these guys !!

Why is that? I've been watching Danica since 2005, and despite all the hatred towards her, she is a competent race car driver. Given time (which her sponsor and hype won't allow), she'll be decent.

2/17/13   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Debi_L wrote:
Ummmm excuse me FOX, but I believe qualifying is still underway???  Sheesh

I'm watching this on account of nothing being on (my sisters have already left), and wow is this coverage bad. It's not just the useless yucking it up with Chris Myers, but it's the little things, like when Scott Speed was dismissed as an "ex-open wheel driver" when he spent a few years in Cup full-time.

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

Ummmm excuse me FOX, but I believe qualifying is still underway???  Sheesh

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

Gordon beats everyone but DP and has the outside front row for now.  WTG JEFF!

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

So far it's the SHR cars 1,2,3, then the JGR cars 1,2,3, then Dale Jr.   Gordon on the track now

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

texas_tornado4261 wrote:
I can't stand her, she don't even belong racing with these guys !!

practically every NASCAR tweet references her.  If we have to have this crap all season long, my twitter following list is gonna get a lot smaller, and my sound on the TV will be muted a lot!!!!

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

I have to say I love the new "Showroom" commercials.

And I hate the Geico basketball thing.  WTF is that?

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

JenX63 wrote:
This is one of the things I would do away with. The "duels" would be no more. My opinion: it's idiotic....get in on time or don't race.....

Oh I couldn't disagree more! I LOVE the Duels! It just makes the Daytona 500 so much more unique and special, IMO

2/17/13   |   texas_tornado4261   |   84441 respect

Debi_L wrote:
OMG I am sooooo sick of Danica already!!! Please, stop shoving her down our throats!!!!

#anyonebutdanica

I can't stand her, she don't even belong racing with these guys !!

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

OMG I am sooooo sick of Danica already!!! Please, stop shoving her down our throats!!!!

#anyonebutdanica

2/17/13   |   JenX63   |   32817 respect

This is one of the things I would do away with. The "duels" would be no more. My opinion: it's idiotic....get in on time or don't race.....

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

Waiting on the HMS cars to qualify.  

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

Took a quick break to make a sammy, and come back to SHR 1, 2, 3 on the qualifying charts, so far.  

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

Danica is on the track, and her first lap is faster than Tony's first lap.

And yes, she has the pole position at 196+ mph.  

And Larry Mac thinks she is going to win most popular driver??? Is he nuts????

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

Tony's qualifying time broke the record.

He also broke the zipper on his fire suit.  One thing about Tony, he's always entertaining.

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

So far, Tony Stewart is hanging on to the Pole position, but Danica, everyone's favorite it seems, is up very soon.  Does she have the car to beat?

2/17/13   |   Debi_L   |   11862 respect

Uh oh.  Kyle Petty has chimed in on twitter to say that he agrees.  Danica is the definite favorite for the pole.

(does anyone else have this giggle in the back of their mind?)