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7/13/09
NASCAR Sprint Cup Chase
Does NASCAR's Chase For The Sprint Cup Need Tweaking?
The top twelve in the Chase for the Sprint Cup is changing week by week.  Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson seem to have the top three positions locked up, with Kurt Busch seemingly also locked in, provided he doesn't do any more stupid stunts like Chicagoland's closing laps.  Denny Hamlin, Carl Edwards and Ryan Newman also seem comfortable in fifth through seventh, and then it gets dicey.

Eighth through 12th are separated by an eighty-odd points and these positions change weekly, it seems.  Kyle Busch is either winning or finishing at the back, consistency not being his strong point.  Matt Kenseth has fallen to last in the Chase, despite winning the first two races of the season.

Does the Chase scoring need to be tweaked yet again?  NASCAR has said it is a "work in progress" and has proven that by increasing the chase contenders from ten to twelve, but in my opinion, they most important tweak has not been implemented.

NASCAR sports analysts have suggested tweaks over the years and last year NASCAR awarded 10 points per win to the Chasers, once the Chasers had been determined, but I think they have that all wrong.

I've long been a supporter of the winner of the race receiving more than the 5 points they do now.  I truly believe the winner of the race should receive a bonus 25 points at the time of the the win.

This, in my mind, it the most important factor, not awarding them to the drivers who have already been determined as Chasers.  We have seven races until the Chase begins, and with the top twelve fluctuating as they are, it could be a different story.

The Chase has often been called the "Matt Kenseth" rule, because of Matt's Championship run in 2003 when he was the most consistent driver, but had only one wins.  It was the first year that I started calling for more points for wins, but NASCAR's solution was the Chase. 

If NASCAR initiated points for the win at the win, Matt would have an additional 50 points, Jimmie and Tony would have an additional 50 (okay, so Tony doesn't need them really), Jeff would have an additional 25.   Mark Martin and Kyle Busch, who haven't had that consistency, would also have an addtional 100 points each, rewarded for their wins. 

With MY points, the Race for the Chase would look like this:

Tony Stewart   2934
Jeff Gordon 2734
Jimmie Johnson  2712
Kurt Busch 2551
Denny Hamlin 2457
Carl Edwards 2438
Kyle Busch 2398
Mark Martin 2396
Ryan Newman 2385
Kasey Kahne 2361
Matt Kenseth 2345
Juan Pablo Montoya 2321

There really isn't that much difference, but the winners, so far, are further up the ranks, where they belong, in my opinion.

The question is, are we rewarding consistency? Or wins?  I thought it was wins.
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7/13/09
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I think they need to cut the field back to ten.  I think their should be big names left out of the Chase, otherwise what makes it so special?  On top of that, I do like your bonus for winning especially since it would make racing for the win during the Chase that much more important and exciting.

7/13/09
5
I think they need to cut the field back to ten.  I think their should be big names left out of the Chase, otherwise what makes it so special?  On top of that, I do like your bonus for winning especially since it would make racing for the win during the Chase that much more important and exciting.

7/13/09
5
I agree with Mike.  The top 10 should've stayed the top 10.  12 drivers make the Chase now, but they still only have 10 on stage at the awards banquet.  I don't care about who the driver is, their name shouldn't get them into the Chase.  I also think the top 35 is BS, but that's a topic for another day.

7/13/09
1
I agree with it being the top 10 - I never thought it should have increased to 12, another of the NASCAR tweaks I disagreed with.

I'm also with ya on the top 35, Bry, but again, a topic for another day....

7/13/09
3
(Edited by AndiLee0388)
Cut them back  to the top ten, (whats with there are 12, but # 11 and 12 dont get to go to the banquet),I  Iike the 25 points idea...
I think what they really need to do is trash the Chase, and increase the points for wins. Down and dirty to the very last minute!!

7/13/09
2
(Edited by CMB)
I agree.  There needs to be a huge difference in the points for the top 5 or so.  There are too many times where a driver decides late that instead of being a little too aggressive and crashing late in the race, he just gives up and settles for a 2nd or 3rd place finish.  I would want to see 50 points between 1st and 2nd and then about 20 points separating the rest of the top 5 between each position.  I think it would make for a much more interesting points race, and for much more excitement in each race.

7/13/09
4
Where else do we see and here's  THE TOP 12.....it's always The Top Ten...and I think if you're gonna have a top 12 they should all be allowed to attend the banquet...but I agree with Andi...give them more points for wins and let them go at it!!!  I watched the old system for more years than the chase has been around and all they EVER need to do was add more points for wins.

7/13/09
4
Something to consider... IndyCar gives 50 points for a win and 40 points for 2nd place.  In NASCAR, the most points you can get in a race is about 200 points.  By IndyCar's point system, then 2nd place would get 160 points.  To me, that makes sense.  There should be a big difference between 1st and 2nd, which is even bigger in IndyCar because they also have fewer races.

7/13/09
2
ILoveSmoke wrote:
Where else do we see and here's  THE TOP 12.....it's always The Top Ten...and I think if you're gonna have a top 12 they should all be allowed to attend the banquet...but I agree with Andi...give them more points for wins and let them go at it!!!  I watched the old system for more years than the chase has been around and all they EVER need to do was add more points for wins.
I'm with ya on that one!! Who can forget '92 with three of them all in at the start of the last  race of the season??  I get that things have changed, but in their efforts to make it "more equal for all" they've screwed the whole thing up!!!
/end rant

7/13/09
3
kantwistaye wrote:
Something to consider... IndyCar gives 50 points for a win and 40 points for 2nd place.  In NASCAR, the most points you can get in a race is about 200 points.  By IndyCar's point system, then 2nd place would get 160 points.  To me, that makes sense.  There should be a big difference between 1st and 2nd, which is even bigger in IndyCar because they also have fewer races.
and fewer drivers by 20

7/13/09
3
 The Chase does need some more tweaks.  To me top 10 or top 12 it really doesn't matter but if you are going to have 12 chasers then 12 should be on stage at the banquet, it only makes sense.... well, we are talking Nascar here and sense is not always a common thing.  Mike, you are right about awarding more points for a win, that will make the drivers a little more hungry to get the win rather than content to ride it out as a top 10 car.

I think consistency is a good thing to be rewarded.  If you consistently run in the top 5 or top 10, you have a quality program and are a quality driver, not to mention your pretty damn lucky!

7/14/09
1
carlalbert64 wrote:
 The Chase does need some more tweaks.  To me top 10 or top 12 it really doesn't matter but if you are going to have 12 chasers then 12 should be on stage at the banquet, it only makes sense.... well, we are talking Nascar here and sense is not always a common thing.  Mike, you are right about awarding more points for a win, that will make the drivers a little more hungry to get the win rather than content to ride it out as a top 10 car.

I think consistency is a good thing to be rewarded.  If you consistently run in the top 5 or top 10, you have a quality program and are a quality driver, not to mention your pretty damn lucky!
While in theory I agree with you, with hunger come stupidity. I'm not going to name names *coughkylecough*, but we just had a recent incident with someone a little hungry for the win and ended up taking out an innocent contender *coughkaseycough*. It's something NASCAR has to think about. I wish these drivers would play fair, but you know that when they are all going balls to the wall to win, they are just going to start wrecking each other left and right. Now you have pissed off drivers wanting retaliation. They have to keep the points in a balance to prevent that kind of situation. It's sad they have to do it, but they do.

7/14/09
1
chicachericola wrote:
While in theory I agree with you, with hunger come stupidity. I'm not going to name names *coughkylecough*, but we just had a recent incident with someone a little hungry for the win and ended up taking out an innocent contender *coughkaseycough*. It's something NASCAR has to think about. I wish these drivers would play fair, but you know that when they are all going balls to the wall to win, they are just going to start wrecking each other left and right. Now you have pissed off drivers wanting retaliation. They have to keep the points in a balance to prevent that kind of situation. It's sad they have to do it, but they do.
 There certainly would be a bit of wrecking, especially at first however if you are continually putting your equipment in the wall...... sooner or later your owner is going to address your recklessness...... especially with sponsor money being so hard to come by these days!

7/14/09
1
I like the system as it is at the moment but if we're trying to reward wins, is a 10 point bonus enough?...Half of the backmarkers get 5 points just for leading a lap under caution...if we left it as it was but upped the bonus points from 10 to maybe 25 as was suggested for winning originally maybe that would work?

7/14/09
3
Yes it needs fixin.....Anybody with the last name Earnhardt should automatically get in and anybody with the last name Bush get kicked to the curve.....lol

7/14/09
0
I think they should basicly just start the season over at the last 10 races and have only the top 20 compete instead of 43. The top 20 should also be all compete for the cup. It makes it more competitive and each race is made more special.

7/14/09
0
You might have something there.......

7/14/09
0
Nascar won't change any time soon cause of the All Mighty Dollar
When Fans stop going to races then & only then will Nascar make changes.

7/14/09
0
(Edited by AndiLee0388)
Bashfulblue wrote:
Yes it needs fixin.....Anybody with the last name Earnhardt should automatically get in and anybody with the last name Bush get kicked to the curve.....lol
Like the way you think..LOL at least on the Earnhardt part!!

7/14/09
2
ablesser88 wrote:
I think they should basicly just start the season over at the last 10 races and have only the top 20 compete instead of 43. The top 20 should also be all compete for the cup. It makes it more competitive and each race is made more special.

This is almost like my idea that I have been working on and wrote about last year on another site, but have posted once on this site.  I'm not sure about adding more points for wins before the chase starts as with other sports it's about the overall record (consistentcy) to get to the playoffs, but the Chase itself really needs changed. 

My idea is 12 Chasers still and a full 43 field still, but NASCAR awards the Chasers points differently.  Like the Rookie of the Year where highest finishing rookie gets the most points and lowest gets the least, they need to make the Chasers points amounts only between them and if a Chaser wins just like a rookie... they get bonus points.  It would still give us a full field of racing to watch, but even when things go wrong for a Chaser he's not completely out of it right then.


7/14/09
0
i like the top 12 chase that makes it more fun to watch and i like the double file restartes

 
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